It’s Not The Decision, But The Process: Musk & The Trump Decision
from the stop-the-nonsense dept
Going to put this up front, because I expect a bunch of people to not read and assume something very incorrect: I think there are valid arguments (even pretty strong ones) for why it makes sense for social media platforms to allow Donald Trump on them (there are also valid arguments against it). But, conducting a poll is the stupidest possible way to make that decision. It’s Musk’s platform, and he’s free to run it however he wants, even making the stupidest possible decisions. But it should raise questions among its users whether or not they wish to embrace such a platform, and just how much damage Musk will do in pursuit of stunts.
Making serious decisions, which can have massive impact on people’s lives, through stunts is not just reckless, but it foreshadows much more dangerous decision-making to come.
Now, to the details: as you’re probably aware, over the weekend Elon Musk ran a poll on Twitter asking people whether or not Donald Trump’s Twitter account should be reinstated:
This is despite his earlier claim that no decisions would be made on changes to trust & safety policies or the reinstatement of accounts until a “content moderation council” could be convened:
While the poll started out with Trump heavily, heavily favored (which perhaps says something about Musk’s staunchest supporters), over the course of 24 hours, it moved more and more towards even, but ended (as you can see above) barely in the “yes” column. Musk then immediately announced that the public had spoken and he was reinstating the account, repeating the very, very stupid Latin phrase “vox populi, vox dei” (some recently departed Twitter employees informed me that he’s been saying this all the fucking time in meetings, and people are mocking him for it behind his back, but he seems to think it makes him sound cool).
A few minutes after that tweet went up, Trump’s account came back. As of me writing this, Trump has not tweeted again from the account. When asked, he has insisted that he’s staying on his own flailing platform Truth Social. According to SEC filings, part of Trump’s deal with Truth Social is that he signed a contract obligating him to use the site rather than other social media. There’s a literal clause in the agreement that his social media activity must appear exclusively on Truth Social for at least six hours. It’s in the section on “license agreement” and notes:
From December 22, 2021, until the expiration of 18 months thereafter, (the “TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term”), President Trump has agreed to first channel any and all social media communications and posts coming from his personal profile to the Truth Social platform before posting that same social media communication and/or post to any other social media platform that is not Truth Social (collectively, “Non-TMTG Social Media”) until the expiration of “DJT/TMTG Social Media 6-Hour Exclusive” which means the period commencing when DJT posts any social media communication onto the Truth Social Platform and ending six (6) hours thereafter; provided that he may post social media communications from his personal profile that specifically relates to political messaging, political fundraising or get-out-the vote efforts at any time on any Non-TMTG social media platforms. Unless notice is given, the TMTG Social Media Exclusivity Term extends in perpetuity for additional 180-day terms.
Of course, Trump’s signature on a licensing agreement is about as trustworthy as Elon’s promise of no reinstatements until his content moderation council met.
For what it’s worth, in addition to reinstating Trump, Musk reinstated various other awful people, mocked the head of the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt, (who I have policy differences with, but Musk’s doing so immediately resulted in a bunch of Twitter users gleefully sharing anti-Semitic comments, claiming Musk was signaling to them directly) and made it clear he is in favor of chaos for the sake of chaos with no concern over what harm it might do.
Well, there was one exception to that. Musk has said a few times now that he won’t reinstate Alex Jones, and when pressed on it, claimed that it was because “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.”
And, of course, this partly demonstrates the problem. Musk recognizes the potential harms in one area of trauma that he has personally experienced, but seems to not care one bit about harms others have experienced.
In some ways, it’s the worst of what people assume about content moderation on most websites: that it’s driven entirely by the whims of an out of touch billionaire CEO. In most cases, that’s not true. Here, Elon is making it clear that’s how it will work on his Twitter.
Perhaps equally problematic was that, this weekend, after Jordan Peterson played the “white man’s gambit” of arguing for less anonymity, and Jack Dorsey piped in to suggest that would be a bad idea, Musk popped in to note that “Verification through the payment system plus phones, but allowing pseudonyms is the least bad solution I can think of.”
Again, this is telling. Musk is focused on “the least bad solution” that he can think of, rather than, perhaps, talking to any of the many, many people who have actually studied this issue and found that forced verification is extremely dangerous for free speech, especially for those with legitimate reasons to fear for their safety. People speaking out against authoritarian rulers. People blowing the whistle on malfeasance. Victims of domestic violence or sexual assault calling it out.
But, again, Musk hasn’t experienced any of that personally, so why should it matter?
Bringing this back around to the point: it’s impossible to do content moderation well at scale. Everyone makes tons of mistakes. But there are real lessons out there on things that work well and things that are stupid and dangerous. And Musk is making it clear that he wants to ignore all of those lessons, and redo all the mistakes, perhaps making them worse in the process. It’s possible that he’ll run the learning curve and eventually land back where things kinda were before, but with less clarity and understanding, but we sorta predicted that back in April.
I’m not necessarily upset that Trump’s account is back (whether he tweets or not). I do think, however, the process by which Musk got there demonstrates a near total lack of concern for how any of this can and should work, and especially no concern for the harm he can do to others in the process.
Back when Twitter initially decided to issue a permanent ban on Trump, I wrote a long post detailing how such a decision could not be an easy one, and there were plenty of arguments against it. But, in the end, the various platforms had to weigh a variety of factors, including how responsible they wished to feel concerning the attempted overturning of an election. Similarly, when the Oversight Board was reviewing Facebook’s decision to ban Trump, we filed a comment that did not take a stand on either side of the central question, but did advocate for a much better process in how Facebook makes such a decision. We concluded that comment by noting:
There may not be any one right answer, or even any truly right answer. In fact, in the end the best decision may have little to do with the actual choice that results but rather the process used to get there.
And that takes us back to Musk’s decision making here. If you’re going to do content moderation and trust & safety, having some sort of underlying process and principles is important. That’s not to say they can’t change over time, or that they won’t face challenges as every possible edge case shows up, such that you realize that nearly every case feels like an “edge case” that doesn’t neatly play into the rules. But you need to have some sort of basic concepts behind what you’re doing.
Throwing it entirely open to a vote is, to put it mildly, crazy. I mean, for all of Musk’s silly pretentious “vox populai, vox dei” stuff, plenty of people have pointed out that the phrase originates from Alcuin of York in a letter to Charlemagne in 800, in which he warns that believing such a thing is dangerous:
“And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always close to insanity.”
Of course, like so many things, there are situations where a “democratic” vote makes sense, and many where it does not. A purely democratic vote can be used to oppress a minority, for example. Also, a simple poll on Twitter… is not a representative sample. There are all sorts of problems with it. First of all, Musk set up a simple yes/no option, when it could be a lot more nuanced that. But by framing it the way he did, those are the only choices. Then there are the questions of who actually saw it and who voted. That’s not public at all.
Finally, for months (literally until a month ago), Musk insisted that Twitter was full of bots, not people. And, even here, he admitted partway through the vote that “bots” were voting. Though, of course, he insisted that it was only the people voting “no” who must be bots and “troll armies.” Again, that certainly does not suggest that anything about this poll is “the voice of the people.” Not only is he admitting that much of it is not, in his belief, he is publicly stating his own bias regarding what the correct answer should be.
Through all of this, Musk has made clear that the content moderation practices for Twitter are now whatever he thinks of, on a whim, that will be most entertaining for himself. He has no real process. He has no real principles. He does not care one bit about past lessons. He does not care about what damage or danger his whims may cause. None of that matters to him.
And voting is not how content moderation decisions should be made, at least not without significant effort and education going into the process. Merely asking people “yes or no” without detailing the tradeoffs, or the nuances, or the specific reasons why suggests a lack of concern not just for how all of this plays out, but for having an informed public weighing in at all.
He is, of course, free to do all of that (within certain limits). But it does not mean that people will enjoy being on is site, or that advertisers will feel comfortable putting their brands on the site. It has convinced me to spend less time there, as it does not feel safe at all, and I no longer have any confidence that there are people in a decision-making role at the company who can be trusted to want to do the right thing, even when the right thing may be impossible to do.
Musk does not care about doing the right thing. He cares about attention. It’s a choice he is free to make. But it’s not one that I need to support.
Filed Under: content moderation, donald trump, elon musk, polls, process
Companies: twitter
Comments on “It’s Not The Decision, But The Process: Musk & The Trump Decision”
Polling is just an excuse for his decisions.
Musk knows his audience, so did a poll with known outcome.
Musk behaves much like teenage edgelord with twitter, surrounding himself with rightwing yes men cronies, as you can see in tweets where he interacts.
It’s hard to imagine how this doesn’t essentially end up with the same tone as “Truth” Social and Parler.
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It’s easy to imagine, given that he’s fired most of the people who actually keep the site up and running.
Anyone here been on a message-board or a forum that was run by a tinpot dictator? Were you never really knew what would set off the dictator?
That is what Twitter has become.
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If IRC servers count, then yes.
Vox Populi, Vox Dei
“The voice of the people is the voice of God.”
This does not bode well for God.
"Vox populi vox Dei" means the opposite...
“Vox populi vox Dei” is from a quotation saying the opposite of voice of people is voice of God:
“…riotiousness of the crowd is always very close to madness” –Alcuin 8th C AD.
Here is the book I am quoting (The Little Oxford dictionary of quotations):
https://archive.org/details/littleoxforddict0000unse_b9y8/page/242/mode/1up?q=%22Nec+audiendi+qui+solent+dicere%2C+vox+populi%2C+vox+dei%2C+quum+tumultuositas+vulgi+semper+insaniae+proxima+sit%22
typos and things....
Hey, a typo above:
restatement –> reinstatement (once)
and… vox populi, vox Webster! (lol)
Of course, if youd read the article, youd have found this:
as in, the full quote. and how was that quote introduced?:
Indeed, looking at your link, I find it also sources to a letter from Alcuin, letter 164.
Your comment fails to recite the part of the quote that is being refrenced, and confuses the question of attribution. “heres a link to book of quotes that includes this specific quote” would not have sounded like a correction, while actually serving the seeming purpose of your comment, which was to share the link. The rest of your comment strips context the article included while sounding like a correction.
Re: vox populi, vox dei
Akshually, if you look it up, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_Populi,_Vox_Dei, you would find that usage of vox populi, vox dei acquired much more favorable connotations in about 1327, by the Archbishop of Canterbury, who was charging King Richard II in a sermon, and continued that way as the name of a 1709 whig tract that argued for a choice of government based on what the people liked best, god and (Christian) scripture having said nothing on the subject.
For Koby, there’s lots of reasons to think the poll results are unrepresentative, with the Trumpian frothers and Elon Fanboi cults all closely watching Elon and voting quickly, while the more reasoned majority catches up a little more slowly and Elon simply didn’t allow the majority to catch up — if they cared for Elon’s poll at all.
Finally, what happens if a bot account called “RealDonaldTrumpShadow” proceeds to retweet everything Trump says from Truth Social?? You have to wonder if Trump’s 8 hour delay is worth the paper it’s printed on.
That’s effectively what’s happening with Twitter except the process is currently manual and it’s a bunch of journalists, not one account.
Isn’t it amazing how the alleged twitter bot problem stopped being one the moment he realized that he could use them to justify a decision he was already planning to make?
“So this is how Twitter dies. With thunderous applause.”
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And Charlemagne Was A Fabulous Ruler
Musk’s decision to conduct a poll is genius on multiple levels.
1.) We were told that the vast majority wanted Trump gone. Trump was an extremist. The poll dispelled the myth, and demonstrates that, despite years of demonization, he’s still in the majority.
2.) The censors informed us that private platforms are free to moderate however they desire. But if a platform doesn’t arrive at the foregone conclusion of the censors, then the censors have a meltdown.
3.) Trump was never going to use Twitter ever again, so unbanning the account doesn’t actually result in anything practical. So the mere unbanning of the account exposes the censors as they howl about the “damage” of free speech, even when no such speech is occurring.
4.) Despite Musk not bending the knee yet, we’re seeing people and organizations virtue signal and leave the platform, only to demonstrate how reliant they are on the platform and shortly return. This weekend CBS news tried to quit, only to relinquish after 40 hours. But at least it was 40 hours that the platform was protected from disinformation.
Re: No, jackass.
What is this flowery, rosy-ass bullshit? This isn’t a “Return of the king” cliche, this is the “cultist bringing back an eldritch horror” cliche. Bringing back Trump is genuinely the worst decision that Musk could’ve made. Putting aside how Trump practically used his account to stir the events leading up to the riot of 1/6, this all but ensures the end of Twitter and the mass exodus from it. He all but alienated those who despise Trump (a lot of people) and those who are still connected to reality (also a huge chunk of people). This is the last thing you should do as the CEO of Fucking Twitter. It’s a “Hail, Mary” for someone who puts charm and politics over knowing how to run a social media website.
I’m not even going to justify the reasons why doing this through a poll is a bad idea, because it’s ultimately pointless. It wouldn’t have mattered if Musk conducted a poll, because in the end he would’ve done it anyways without the peoples’ consent. It’s giving the illusion of choice, a real authoritarian tactic.
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Musk is a visionary. It may be the worst decision that you can imagine, but he is just warming up. You sound like someone who has seen Belle Gunness kick a puppy.
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Musk a visionary? How? He is literally trying to turn the verification system (you know, that system that defines a genuine account from a parody account) into a paid subscription scheme. That’s not a rookie mistake, that is incompetence on full display. Musk is not a visionary. He’s a businessman with a napoleonic complex that likes to talk big, be all flash and no substance. All he survived on was just talk and luck.
He’s not warming up, he’s burning Twitter down to the ground.
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I see that I am still being too subtle. One key phrase to lock onto, and the readers here are blinded to the context it is in.
Sarcasm, like dystopian fiction, has a rough time in the U.S. Once you get started, there is seemingly no amount of piling it on that will give anyone a double take.
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Oh. Sorry about that, that’s my bad.
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He’s being sarcastic.
I mean, Musk is a visionary. But his vision is stuck in Apartheid South Africa instead of modern day America.
Re: Forgot to mention this
Also you’re a pro-monarchistic cuck. Your mad ravings prove it.
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… said nobody not admitting to their hallucinogen abuse habit, ever.
As always, not a single one of Koby’s claims bears any resemblance to anything that ever happened in the real world.
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Hey, Koby, you’re still a NeoNazi fuck.
The virtue signallers also happen to be Neonazis like you, and Musk is an apartheid fuck who still believes in the supremacy of the white race.
Make of that as you will, but it’s clear you don;’t care about that.
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Yes or no, Koby: Do you believe the government should have the legal right to compel any privately owned interactive web service into hosting legally protected speech that the owners/operators of said service don’t want to host?
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No, you weren’t told that the vast majority wanted Trump gone, you were told that many wanted Trump gone and he was banned because he repeatedly broke the TOS and then he instigated an insurrection. Once again you are doing your history revisionism, I guess someone rooting for a liar see no problem in promulgating lies themselves.
Give us examples of disinformation that CBS has published. Go ahead, make our day. My guess is that you wont since you are a cowardly liar that’ll refuse to answer as usual.
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Today’s fake CBS news scandal:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z-6Wp6oH1Y
Vs 2 years ago:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TkRBSbFtc4Q
Took them awhile to perform some basic journalism. This is why the crony old media lost credibility.
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Misinformation my ass. Simple question, what’s the key difference between the information the stories are based on?
If you have a brain, use it to THINK like normal people do instead of filling it with shit.
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The difference — the original CBS fake news story was based on zero investigation. It was pure slander and bias, designed to steer viewers toward their preferred political candidate. These are the hallmarks of fake news.
The new CBS reporting is based on an actual investigation. They actually asked the shop owner for a copy, received it promptly, and then had an expert analyze it. This is something they could have done two years ago.
In other words: fake news is a story that turns out to be false, and would have been obviously realized to be untrue by using basic journalistic techniques.
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You are fucking stupid. Point to ANY news agency at the time that had access to an untampered copy of the drive, JUST ONE. Even NYPost didn’t have one and they didn’t dare say what they had was authentic you moron.
I want to point out that Mac Isaac didn’t part with a copy of the original drive until very recently which nicely segues into the release of his new book tomorrow, you know, rile up drooling idiots like you to increase the sales.
And seriously, are you really going to talk about “steering viewers towards their preferred political candidate”? Shit man, you are even more stupid than I believed possible. Point to ANY news agency that doesn’t have a political bias. Even NYPost is biased and will steer their readers to their preferred political candidate and I don’t see you complaining about them one bit after they published the Biden laptop story without doing a proper forensic analysis, aka not adhering to basic journalistic integrity. Guess what that makes you aside from being monumentally stupid? A fucking hypocrite.
In other words, you are a fucking moron that are too stupid to look up facts, or even understand them, instead you write and make up shit that anyone with half a brain realizes can only be done after the fact.
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Rudy Giuliani did begin handing out copies in late Oct 2020. The Daily Caller was able to promptly verify the emails’ authenticity independently from the laptop. No amount of tampering with the laptop could have falsified the digital signatures from the emails to match up with the private key stored on Google’s servers; only hacking google could have accomplished the signature match.
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lmao you think this story matters more than Trump trying to kill democracy
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Koby’s also projecting that nobody is smart enough to grasp how “Stolen data -> Russian thieves -> stolen hardware -> Russian stooge (Giuliani) -> MAGA stooge (lying computer shop guy)” works.
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Note: the lame photoshops representing themselves as emails won’t have email signatures.
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Run away little coward.
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It’s like your brain turns to jello every time this type of topic comes up. Nobody has disputed that parts of the information was authentic, what has been said is that no one could guarantee the authenticity of all the information because the copies Rudy handed out had been severely mishandled from a forensic standpoint and the copies that then circulated was tampered with in different ways. This is something even Mac Isaac pointed out:
I do know that there have been multiple attempts over the past year-and-a-half to insert questionable material into the laptop as in, not physically, but passing off this misinformation or disinformation as coming from the laptop, and that is a major concern of mine because I have fought tooth and nail to protect the integrity of this drive and to jeopardize that is going to mean that everything that I sacrificed will be for nothing.
Which doesn’t matter one bit, because the authenticity of some of the stuff at the time wasn’t in question after the initial forensic analysis was done – but that did in no way prove that the copy as a whole was authentic in any way. The copy Rudy passed around was and still is a fucking mess where a multitude of people have rooted through it like hungry dogs pawing through a garbage bin.
And your are fucking naïve in how someone can created compromising emails, you don’t need to “hack Google”: The New York Times reported in January 2020 that Russian military intelligence had hacked Burisma beginning in November 2019; a co-founder of the firm that discovered the hacking said Russians were stealing email credentials.
Oh, look! You can use stolen credentials to impersonate someone. Imagine that! And all those fake emails now have “unfalsifiable” digital signatures from Google! Yay!
Someone saying something is impossible when it comes to breaching computer security is a fucking fool or has disconnected the computer and then shredded it.
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And remember one of the witnesses that claimed some emails were legit later admitted that he was bribed to tell that lie.
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No, Koby’s deliberate do not cause any reasonable persone to lose faith in news media.
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designed to steer viewers toward their preferred political candidate
Yeah, that’s what did it. The laptop.
Never mind 400k Americans died because he decided to wing it with Covid.
Or never getting that fucking wall you tards wanted built.
Or not getting Mexico to foot the bill.
Or not doing anything while that gimp vet and Bannon scammed the idiots who thought they’d pay for the wall themselves.
Or not locking Hillary up.
Or his tariffs doing anything other than raising prices because everyone but you simps knew that China wasn’t paying them.
Or 4 years of ‘infrastructure week’ with something always happening in 2 weeks.
Or failing to deliver his sooper dooper Trumpcare.
Or not repealing the ACA.
Or not making trickle down economics work this time.
Or not eliminating the federal deficit. (but increasing it 60% counts for something, I guess)
Or not helping out the coal industry. (that people believed that still makes me laugh)
Or not negotiating a better nuclear deal with Iran.
Or not bringing the troops back from Afghanistan.
None of those things contributed to him getting his ass handed to him along with a big middle finger cake from the American people – it was the laptop story.
The laptop that all of you people seemed to know about, and were talking about extensively, despite it being the most obvious hidden story scrubbed from all corners of the Internet in modern history.
That’s what you people have your collective diapers in a knot over.
This is why we laugh at you and people like you. You’re fucking one IQ point away from moderately delayed, and actively celebrate your ignorance.
Re: Re: Re: Old Media
Koby:
CBS is reporting
1) That there’s a real possibility Hunter Biden’s so called laptop was planted by the Russians. (True — Russians would have had lots of access to e-mails from Ukraine, and Hunter Biden, as son of Joe Biden, powerful congresscritter would be a good investment for them)
2) This week, it turns out some of the messages on that laptop were cryptographically signed by the Ukrainians. However, the republicans handling the laptop/drive have mis-handled the laptop and over-written parts of the hard drive, so it is impossible to eliminate the possibility that the laptop was a plant.
Not that CBS isn’t being lazy and chasing clicks — it’s pretty clear from Hunter’s biography on Wikipedia that Joe Biden specifically insulated himself from his son’s political influence, being aware of Hunter’s less-than-highly successful career and Hunter’s serious drug and alcohol problems.
Compare that to the Trump guy that got convicted this week of funnelling Russian cash to the Trump campaign, and Trump children actually working in the whitehouse.
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It weird how every forum that I spend any time on, turns out to have at least one persistent internet “genius” devoted to enlightening the sadly ignorant internet populace — who specializes in being quite wrong, and furthermore in being wrong as stupidly as possible.
I think this phenomenon deserves to be codified as a “Law”, similar to Poe’s Law, Godwin’s Law, etc…
I can only assume that such a Law has already become part of Internet lore. Would someone kindly point me in its direction?
Re: Re: The "worst people" problem...
The “worst people” problem is fairly close to what you seek. I’ll be pleased to learn a better moniker.
I’m wondering when the rest of the commentariat is going to simply hide Koby’s stuff and stop responding to it. Note mea culpa too on this one.
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Not to my knowledge there is. If you’re looking for a name for this phenomenon, How about “False Savior’s Law?”
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‘The Internet Man’s Burden.’
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It takes an extraordinary lack of understanding of actual polling to think that’s the takeaway from a Twitter poll.
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Not necessarily, as some would have wanted him back so that they could keep an eye on an enemy.
Re: Re: 'Now that a bunch of people who would have voted 'no' left, vote time!'
Not to mention the numbers might have been just a titch skewed by the people leaving the platform prior to the vote and who left because of the influx of Very Fine People.
Elon Musk should consult Gerald Ratner on what to do when you destroy a companies value, although the advice will be simple, leave and let somebody else clean up the mess/.
As far as anonymity and identity verification go, I’d note that in the vast majority of cases identity isn’t needed. This is as true now as it was back in the days of BBS networks: knowing who the person behind the name is is much less important than knowing that it’s always the same person behind that name.
Given how Musk has been all but begging on his hands and knees for Trump to come back, I’d say the “process” was “he was going to use the poll to justify his decision no matter what it said” and the “decision” was always going to be “Trump is unbanned”.
Let Trump come back
I agree with people who say Trump should be let back into Twitter, for the sole reason that he’ll say something (else) incriminating.
The guy likes to brag, so it’s only a matter of time until he says something stupid again, such as how the FBI totally made a mess of his office by taking the top secret documents out of the desk and putting them all over the floor. So, yes, he admits to having top secret documents.
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He has his own social media service to do that on. Why would he ever need Twitter again, especially since the press still covers his bullshit from Truth Social like they covered his bullshit from Twitter?
Heads Musk Wins, Tails We Lose
Does anyone actually think that if the voting had been against letting Trump back on Twitter that Musk would have kept the block in place?
He just uses obvious polls as air cover for his horrible decisions and if the polls ever don’t back him, he’ll claim to be a “contrarian” and ignore the results.
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Given the claim that it was bots voting against I’ve little doubt that if the vote had gone the other way he’d have just claimed that the ‘no’ side only got a win thanks to bots and the ‘yet’ side won by default as a result.
“But, again, Musk hasn’t experienced any of that personally, so why should it matter?”
Categorically false. He has experienced it, thats why he wants such checks, so he knows who to fire next.
In the background
Musk…”What are the results of the poll so far?”
Overworked tech… “We don’t know, you fired the people who normally manage things like this, sir.”
Musk… “Great, looks like restoring Trump will end up at over 50%!”
I absolutely love the fact that 52-48 is the same margin that Brexit won by.
And some slightly more apropos pretentious latin for flavour: Vox populi, ruat caelum
(Ruat caelum roughly translates though the heaven’s fall)
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Yeah, since idk when, even a 1% margin can be hailed as a mandate in any sort of polling.
Re: Re: This "51% is a mandate" thing...
So much of the worst modern politics traces back to that idea.
No, Just over 50% means “this policy may, or may not, be worth implementing, and needs more work to be sure”.
How long before...
How long before Musk gives up the owner of Devin Nunes Cow?
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Right after he provides the results of the poll titled “Should the account holder of -Devin Nunes’ Cow- be outed to Nunes?”
Only a mouth-breather will fail to think it through…. “Hey, wait a minute here. I could be the next subject of a straw-man poll, if I somehow get on Musk’s shit-list”.
Trump and Dumb
In other words – Lord, make him a convicted felon, but not yet 🙂
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Every Mike Masnick bootlicking Spectacular
Every articles is about how there will be a parade of horrables, if we allow everyone to have their voice, and he proposes that we give people the power deafen them.
Yet, every conversation going back the Gutenberg has shown that this claim of danger is hyperbolic and self serving, as the priesthood gets its power from declaring truth.
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u mad, bro
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[Illiterately hallucinates facts not in evidence]
Ochlocracy vs. Democracy
Then it wouldn’t be a democratic vote but an ochlocratic vote, i.e. a vote by mob rule. Democracy means everyone gets to participate. Ochlocracy means the majority gets to trample the minority.
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“ochlocracy is characterised by the absence or impairment of a procedurally civil and democratic process.”
So if there’s well regulated civil democratic process by which the majority oppresses the minority, that’s still democracy.
Wow
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as private owner; Musk can make and change any rules he wants. He can make those changes based on any method he wants.
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No US citizen has been hurt directly by a Trump text. And what ever you want to believe about imagined “dog whistles” doesn’t change that fact. Every person is responsible for their own personal decisions. Acting on some pretend imaginary idea that isn’t stated is on the actor alone.
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No, it is not. In the last 30 years or so a bunch of spineless crybaby’s decided that they should be protected from their own actions. All throughout history people have stood up to “authoritarian rulers” and injustice publicly. And suffered for change. There is no rule in reality that says you should be protected from breaking the law: regardless of the reason. If you break the law
You are a criminal.
It’s that simple.
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The only two things that matter are the law and what the owner thinks.
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Yet not once has anyone shown his decisions to place people in harm. Unless you consider a generation of people who go catatonic at a bad name a good thing.
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Interesting. Isn’t that democracy? Putting it to a vote?
7)
Sounds like every ballot measure ever in US elections.
What Musk posted was a clear choice. He didn’t hide it in doublespeak like state measures do. Should not et al.
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The benefit of being the owner.
It’s his web service. You don’t have a right to be on it. If you don’t like the decisions, go make your own. That’s what was said when Republicans complained about the President of the United States being blocked from the platform.
If you don’t like the rules, go away.
It’s really easy.
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