EFF Asks Ninth Circuit To Toss Two Stupid Lawsuits Claiming Federal Government Is Moderating Social Media Users
from the please-don't-do-anything-stupid dept
Normally, there wouldn’t be much need to insert yourself into lawsuits involving seriously flawed claims about social media moderation. But these two lawsuits — both losses for plaintiffs claiming the Biden administration conspired to ban their social media accounts — are now in the hands of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, which has delivered some unusual (and terrible) takes on Section 230 and intermediary liability recently.
One of the plaintiffs challenging her loss at the district level is “naturopath” Colleen Huber, who also sued someone for truthfully reporting that Huber’s cures for cancer (intravenous baking soda, vitamin C, etc.) would likely kill anyone who thought this was actual medical advice, suing the Biden Administration because Twitter killed her account after she sent out too much COVID vaccine misinformation.
That lawsuit was tossed (with prejudice) by the lower court in March of this year. The California court says there was no credible evidence backing the allegations that the Biden administration’s meetings with social media heads and expressions of concern about the spread of misinformation formed a conspiracy between Twitter and the government to silence certain users. No First Amendment violation, no Fifth Amendment violation, and no cause of action.
The same thing happened to Rogan O’Handley, an (apparently non-practicing) attorney who saw his “DC_Draino” Twitter account permanently suspended following his continuous posting of election misinformation. That lawsuit alleged pretty much the same thing Huber’s did, only with O’Handley targeting California state officials, rather than the Biden administration. His lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice in January.
The EFF has filed briefs in both cases, asking the Ninth Circuit to recognize what’s being claimed here — a conspiracy between the government and social media services — and recognize that the government expressing concerns about social media moderation is not the same thing as engaging directly in social media moderation. The government can — and often does — have some impact on moderation efforts by social media platforms. But only in narrow cases does that actually cross into something actionable.
“Jawboning,” or when the government influences content moderation policies, is common. We have argued that courts should only hold a jawboned social media platform liable as a state actor if: (1) the government replaces the intermediary’s editorial policy with its own, (2) the intermediary willingly cedes its editorial implementation of that policy to the government regarding the specific user speech, and (3) the censored party has no remedy against the government.
To ensure that the state action doctrine does not nullify social media platforms’ First Amendment rights, we recently filed two amicus briefs in the Ninth Circuit in Huber v. Biden and O’Handley v. Weber. Both briefs argued that these conditions were not met, and the courts should not hold the platforms liable under a state action theory.
In Huber’s case, the EFF points out that while the Biden administration may have voiced its concerns to Twitter about its handling of COVID misinformation, it did not insert itself into the moderation process by replacing Twitter’s policies with one of its own. Nor is there any evidence the government ever saw or discussed the tweets that got Huber banned.
O’Handley’s case is slightly different, in that California’s Office of Election Cybersecurity brought one of his tweets to the attention of Twitter. But that alone is not enough to plausibly allege the government of California stepped in to engage in its own moderation, or that Twitter replaced its own policies with ones crafted by the state.
In both cases, the final prong of the EFF’s “jawboning” definition is still in play. Even if there’s a finding the government crossed the line in these cases, both plaintiffs are still capable of suing the government directly without bringing Twitter into it. If the Appeals Court decides anything can be revived in these two dead cases, it should leave Twitter out of it and allow the plaintiffs to pursue their (likely bogus) claims against the government entities they believe somehow stripped them of their social media accounts.
What the court definitely should not do is become the very thing these plaintiffs are suing over: an extension of the government that orders Twitter — via a decision that undercuts Section 230 protections or places limits on its moderation efforts — to carry content it would rather not carry. That would be the government inserting itself into moderation in a far more direct fashion than is actually alleged anywhere in these two ridiculous lawsuits.
Filed Under: 9th circuit, california, colleen huber, content moderation, jawboning, rogan o'handley, section 230, social media, state action doctrine
Companies: twitter
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“Sure would be a shame if you lost that new billion-dollar government contract over something as small as banning a few users, wouldn’t it?”
Nope, there’s no force being applied here.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” — Orwell
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Tel us more about those contracts.
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Nice job agreeing with the EFF by admitting you have nothing to counter them but deranged hallucinations.
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Given your response to an AC on a different thread, you’ve no call to accuse others of “deranged hallucinations”.
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Calling attention to your maximalist lies doesn’t reflect poorly upon me to a reasonable reader, chump.
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If they have any evidence that such a thing happened, they can sue the government over it. Suing Twitter for having their arms twisted is dumb. They are allegedly another victim in this matter.
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But Twitter can never really be a victim because they’re Big Tech! /s
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I was not aware that Twitter was accepting government contracts.
That would be a hell of a scoop if it actually happened…
Oh, wait, TWITTER HASN’T TAKEN A GOVERNMENT CONTRACT OR A GOVERNMENT GRANT. YET.
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“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” — Orwell
Recognising you have a problem is the first step in fixing it.
Perhaps appointing them for life & not demanding mental health checkups was a bad thing…
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Person! Woman! Man! Camera! TV!
The doctors said rarely does anybody do what I just did. \
Now give me extra credit!!!
Solving a non-problem by creating a real one
The government pressuring platforms to moderate a specific way, perhaps along the lines of ‘If you don’t moderate X voluntarily we’ll pass a law to make you do it’ is worthy of watching but the idea that the government merely pointing out ‘hey, the speech these people are spreading is likely to get someone killed, you might want to look into that’ crosses that line would effectively bar the government from pointing out dangerous stuff and worse give the government ‘veto’ power on moderation by allowing them to ‘protect’ certain content from moderation merely by expressing concern.
Or in less wall-of-text format: Platforms taking down content that the government had also voiced concern about isn’t really a problem, the courts ordering platforms to keep content up because the government voiced concern very much would be.
truth and facts, optionable.
Trying to clean up the air ways, from TV, radio, Internet, NEWS PAPERS.
Is an old thing that died long ago.
But there is a backdoor to all of this that is/can be used. ADVERTS. Adverts are facts optionable. They always have been. The problem comes with seeing something on TV, and not understanding that 99% of all of it, is REALITY. They dont have to SHOW/PRINT reality, esp. with there is a person of group BEHIND the advert/program/what ever, as long as they are NOT saying something is a FACT.
Its like everything is a cartoon. And if you go up and Jump off your roof, while trying to Fly(love Peter pan) and you Hurt yourself. Whose fault is it, as long as they do not declare its FACT. Its an advert.
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try to find those OLD ‘truth in advertising’ laws we tried to install.
Seeing as platforms had already long been taking down similar content or accounts, any possible government influence is vanishingly small.
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Wow
Wow credible reports and evidence about DOJ pressuring Big Tech to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. E-mails proving that the Administration pressured Big Tech to take down a Fauci parody account, parody being one of the most sacred and protected forms of speech as decided numerous times by the SCOTUS, the powerful hate parody and ridicule. The Administration pressuring Twitter to take down Alex Berenson. E-mails proving the the administration and Meta were setting up bi weekly meetings to discuss content moderation.
AND THIS IS YOUR FIRST STORIES IN WEEKS ABOUT SOCIAL MEDAI BEING A STATER ACTOR!
No I know why Mike has been quite. Mike let slip in a few posts that he was aware of all of this before it became public. I’m sure Mike’s lawyers have told him to shut the hell up.
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Wow credible reports and evidence about DOJ pressuring Big Tech to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
I didn’t know that suppressing the publication of evidence is a case they may prosecute was wrong of the DoJ, but thanks for informing me of that. /s
E-mails proving that the Administration pressured Big Tech to take down a Fauci parody account…
Because there is no ‘parody’ protection if you spread misinformation.
…parody being one of the most sacred and protected forms of speech as decided numerous times by the SCOTUS…
Free speech has its limits, even in a country like the US where it’s interpreted as broadly as possible.
…the powerful hate parody and ridicule.
Trump is no longer as powerful as he was even before his presidency, thank US voters.
The Administration pressuring Twitter to take down Alex Berenson.
And ot absolutely can’t be for the same reason The Atlantic called him the pandemic’s wrongest man, nor the fact that he previously spread misinformation in a totally fact-free anti-cannabis screed.
E-mails proving the the administration and Meta were setting up bi weekly meetings to discuss content moderation.
Because discussing the kinds of things that might need to be censored is totally the government having any say in moderation decisions, just like the UK Government preventing specific DVD sales (for example) to minors based on age is totally the PM dictating what parents can allow their children to watch. (-_Q)
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“Because there is no ‘parody’ protection if you spread misinformation.”
Hustler v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46 (1988). There was even a movie. Cite the supreme court decision that says “expect misinformation.”
“Free speech has its limits, even in a country like the US where it’s interpreted as broadly as possible.”
And? What limit are you applying here asshole?
“The Atlantic called him the pandemic’s wrongest man, nor the fact that he previously spread misinformation in a totally fact-free anti-cannabis screed.”
Wow the Atlantic. Lets ignore that since the article in the Atlantic. The jab is a therapeutic. It lessens severity of infection but doesn’t prevent infection.
“Because discussing the kinds of things that might need to be censored is totally the government having any say in moderation decisions:”
Yes it is. Its called a criminal conspiracy against rights. The government cannot conspire with anyone public or private to deny anyone their rights. If you engage in such a conspiracy wink wink Mike, you are guilty of criminal conspiracy punishable by up to 10 years in prison.
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Lol. Nice one. You almost had me going for a little while, thinking your were seriously that dumb. But you went a step too far with this line here, revealing that you’re just doing a bit, and pulled in this nonsense. Though, generally, the whole misunderstanding “criminal conspiracy” law, combined with the “up to x years in prison” thing is what you should use to trigger Ken White, not me.
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Re: Re: Re:2 18 U.S. Code § 241 - Conspiracy against rights
18 U.S. Code § 241 – Conspiracy against rights
“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; …
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;”
The problem is as a corrupt sell out silicon valley rat you seem to think that a company’s TOS trumps law. You think its okay to conspire with the government to deny the people their right to speak out against the government because your TOS allow you to ban anyone for what ever reason than the law is mute. The problem is the government knows that too, just like the Jim Crow southern governments knew that businesses were allowed to refuse service to anyone, and the wink wink nudge nudge was made illegal.
Like I said you had posts hinting before any of this broke in the news that you were fully aware of the behind the scenes conspiracy between BigTech and the government.
Say that awful word. Conspiracy! If conspiracies didn’t exist we wouldn’t have laws against them.
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<>The problem is, as a corrupt sell out Republican rat, I want to think that a company’s TOS isn’t within the First Amendment.
FTFY. BTW, if I was Mike, I wouldn’t be waiting until nearly 13:30 every weekday for Techdirt’s first article of the day to be published (which I’m not moaning about), so that’s yet another of your lies debunked, troll.
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Is the sovcit route really the next hill you want to die on, Chozen? By all means, please go ahead. Banking on the Republican party to protect your rights clearly didn’t backfire enough on you.
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Four months of radio silence and this was the best you could come up with? You’re slipping, Chozen. Maybe remember to come up for oxygen every once in a while.
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Why do you think I stopped? Its plainly obvious that Mike is one of the corrupt talking heads who is taking Bill Gates money to attack Elon Musk. If you cant see that you are a moron.
Mike is no different the Jimmy Kimmel. A gen-X who played the part in the 90s and 00s but as the millennial nutcases took over the industry rather than stand on principal he completely sold out.
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Why do you think I stopped?
It’s plainly obvious that you are one of the corrupt talking heads who is taking Elon Musk’s money to attack sites criticising his actions.
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Any major news stories showing that has been happening? Or are you mentally a child who’s only retort is ‘I know you are but what am I”?
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Lol WUT? Whatever you’re smoking is bad for your mental facilities dude.
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… have never existed out here in the non-hallucinatory world.
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July 20, 2021 1:24:46PM
“Hi There – is there anyway we can get this pulled down. It is not actually one of ours.”
Humphrey Clark
Digital Director, Covid-19 Response Team
White House
July 20, 2021 1:24:46PM
“Yep, on it!”
Redected@FB.com
https://ago.mo.gov/docs/default-source/press-releases/free-speech-pitch-thread-docs/fake-fauci.pdf?sfvrsn=a9d8f2bf_2
Responded in less than a minute lol.
I think Mike knows this is bad. With state AGs investigating Mike’s buddies cant just get jurisdiction waved to the 9th Circuit where corrupt judges protect their friends and family who all work in silicon valley. You have as much chance of getting a federal judge in the northern district of California to rule against BigTech as you had getting a federal judge in Connecticut to rule against the Connecticut shipping companies for their rule in running the Atlantic slave trade in the 19th century. But outside of the bought and paid for 9th circuit its a different story.
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July 20, 2021 1:24:46PM
“Hi There – is there anyway we can get this pulled down. It is not actually one of ours.”
I don’t see the problem. There’s no parody in impersonation, especially where the general public may be confused. And here’s betting a hypocrite like you wouldn’t see an issue if Betty Crocker sought to have a “parody account” impersonating it pulled due to customer confusion because “government bad, company good”.
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You keep using arguments pretending that the government is just like some citizen. Its not. When the government is pressuring private actors to deny others their rights its an entirely different issue legally.
“especially where the general public may be confused”
No reasonable person would believe that was actually Anthony Fauci’s account, just like no reasonable person believed Jerry Falwell fucked a chicken.
People like you always tell on yourselves as stupid when you make arguments that no court would recognize because no reasonable person would believe it.
For instance when you argue that its a violation of social media’s first amendment right to force them to host speech because that is endorsing speech. The court has ruled time and time again that no reasonable person would believe that. People who make that argument are by ruling of the supreme court unreasonable.
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“When the government is pressuring private actors to deny others their rights its an entirely different issue legally.”
What pressure? It was a friendly email noting that the account was fake. There was no pressure.
“No reasonable person would believe that was actually Anthony Fauci’s account”
The account was called “anthonyfauciofficial”. I think plenty of people would believe its real. After all, plenty of people seem to think fauci is a satanic cult leader. It’s not hard to believe the foolish people out there would believe its legit.
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“The account was called “anthonyfauciofficial”. I think plenty of people would believe its real. ”
The letter in Hustler was presented as a letter from Jerry Falwell however given its content and context no reasonable person would considerer it authentic.
“After all, plenty of people seem to think fauci is a satanic cult leader. It’s not hard to believe the foolish people out there would believe its legit.”
These hypothetical people are not reasonable people you moron. The legal standard isn’t “foolish people”.
You tell on yourself with your arguments because you are that dumb.
Like I said you morons tell on yourself when you make arguments like ‘Social media being required to host content violates their 1st Amendment rights because hosting is endorsement of that speech.’
Time and time again the courts have said that a venue hosting speech isn’t endorsement of speech and no reasonable person would consider it to be. When you make the specific argument that the courts have time and time again ruled no reasonable person would believe your a proving yourself to not be a reasonable person.
When you move the goal posts to “foolish people” your are engaging in a hecklers veto.
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It’s telling that where chozen should have provided evidence, he provided right-wing propaganda instead.
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I provided the fucking e-mail between the Administration and Facebook you POS!
WTF have you provided.
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You provided evidence only that you don’t understand what “pressure” means.
Oh Look
Oh look at that Facebook illegally spying on private messages and sending information to the FBI.
https://nypost.com/2022/09/14/facebook-spied-on-private-messages-of-americans-who-questioned-2020-election/
Hey Mike do your friends get that under state and federal wiretapping laws if you are not a party to the conversation you cannot record the conversation. It doesn’t matter if they are using your service. Legally you are not a party to the conversation you cannot record it. Your TOS cant void law.
“But muh private property!”
Well this aged well not only was Vajha Gadde in her role as Twitter CLO doing the governments bidding. Gadde on the same time was on the secret joint DHS committee that was pressuring BigTech.
““In June, the same DHS advisory committee of CISA — which includes Twitter head of legal policy, trust, and safety Vijaya Gadde and University of Washington professor Kate Starbird — drafted a report to the CISA director calling for an expansive role for the agency in shaping the “information ecosystem.”
This article is what you get when you are a theater major masquerading as a tech journalist.
Funny how this article didn't age that well
I just took screen shots of this article because it just goes to show the trash clown liberal bias in the news media. Now that we have HARD EVIDENCE the government was interfering with peoples twitter accounts are you going to recant? Probably not but that’s ok, websites like this are failing miserably and soon none of you shrills will have a job. Feel free to censor this post, its all the actual power you have and abusing that just goes to show you don’t deserve anymore.
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Which “hard evidence” is that? A judge in Louisiana who falsely inserted words into statements to pretend that people said things they didn’t say?
That’s your hard evidence?
Lol.