Blaming Social Media For Suicide Is Taking The Easy, And Likely Wrong, Way Out

from the the-data-just-isn't-there dept

It’s seems to have become accepted wisdom by many — including policymakers — that social media is dangerous for kids. But every time we look at the details, the data is lacking. This is not for a lack of trying, of course. There have been tons of studies that try to make the link, but most of them fail to turn up anything significant. It’s not that there aren’t kids who are depressed and/or suicidal. There are. And many of them are on social media. Because basically all kids are these days. But making the link is what’s difficult.

Some of the people pushing this narrative just like to ignore inconvenient facts. Remember, of course, all the interest in Frances Haugen’s leaked files from inside Facebook/Instagram. The headline story was that Facebook knew that Instagram made girls feel worse about themselves. But the reality was that the study showed that it made a much higher percentage feel better about themselves.

But that version doesn’t make headlines.

Of course, one of the leading voices promoting this message is Jonathan Haidt, who has argued repeatedly that social media is leading to more depression and suicide. However, Taylor Barkley, over at the Center for Growth and Opportunity, recently had an interesting article that broke down the data. Haidt highlighted suicide statistics for teenagers from 2000 to 2020. And, from there, you see a slight, but noticeable uptick after 2015:

But... as Barkley notes, if you actually go past 2000, and look at the data from the CDC back to 1968, the story seems somewhat different:

In case the interactive embed is not working, here it is in image form:

So that's all kind of fascinating. Basically the suicide rate for teens was way higher in the late 80s and early 90s before dropping again in the late 90s and early 2000s. The current uptick is still mostly below the highs from a few decades ago, and obviously back then there really wasn't social media.

It's almost as if there might be something else going on. Social media may be having some impact here -- but the general data suggests there's likely a lot more at play, and a bunch of factors likely contribute to suicide rates.

And, as we've said before, social media is an easy scapegoat for politicians who don't want to do the work to understand the actual root causes of societal problems. This is why California is moving forward with its bill that states, upfront, that it's "proven" that social media is bad for kids. It's why next week the Senate will hold a hearing on the dangerous Kids Online Safety Act that would create universal surveillance of kids online, based on the unproven belief that social media is harming them.

These are being pushed by either deeply confused or deeply cynical politicians who simply don't want to actually do the work to figure out why suicide rates have ticked up recently, but are absolutely sure it must be social media.

There are real issues here. Figuring out why suicide rates for teens have gone up deserves actual careful study -- not grandstanding politicians with big ideas.

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Rico R. (profile) says:

As someone whose teenage years are not a distant memory compared to others here, I can see why people are quick to blame social media platforms for negatively affecting people’s mental health. I’m sure this is true even for adults using social media: People post their “highlight reels” on social media, but then we compare everyone’s “highlight reels” to our own “blooper reels”. In other words, people tend to post their highs and most joyous moments online, but then we compare everyone else’s posts to our own lows. This seems more like a societal issue, and I’m sure this concept isn’t solely limited to social media.

However, instead of finding ways to deal with these societal issues and improving access to mental health services, politicians blame “social media” and “big tech” for our kids’ problems and expect them to either “protect minors’ mental health perfectly” or ban people under 18 from joining social media. People are already lying about being 13 or older to create social media accounts. Therefore, the latter won’t work. And short of trying to “nerd harder”, social media can’t block every problematic content for kids, and that will open them up to liability and potential lawsuits.

And I know from personal experience. When I was 20, at one of my lowest moments, I made a post on Tumblr seeking out help because, at the time, I felt I had no one to talk to. People reached out to me, and I talked to one of them about what was going on. Overall, the post and the people who reached out because of it helped me feel better.

But imagine if Tumblr had to “shadow ban” my post because it could “negatively affect teens”. No one would see it, no one would reach out, and who knows what would have happened? I’m in a better place now, but simply blaming young people’s mental health issues all on social media platforms will not only prevent people from seeking help if they need it, but it makes them liable for things far beyond their control. This isn’t a good solution, but I suppose to those within the world of politics, doing something wrong to try to solve a real problem is better than not doing anything to solve the problem at all!

ECA (profile) says:

this may be a very interesting topic.

Anyone have the facts of the working conditions in the EU?
Better time off
Less hours working
Men get Lots of time off for a child born

Anyone remember when taking your kid to work WASNT going to get you FIRED? When yuo Taught your kid, YOUR job, and mos ttimes it was a real learning experience?
We can go back along ways in many tribes where the kids Worked with the adults who Taught them LIFE skills and they got ALONG with the kids and understood what was happening, and GUILT wasnt much of a worry for Either side.

In the last 30 years, the question is, WHO IS AT HOME? Who is taking care of your kids? WHO is answering and teaching them the BASICS, at the least.

Then we get WHO is responsible for this?
Point fingers, and DONT even LOOK at the real BASIC problem.

Kenn says:

It’s the same old story. Start with your conclusion, find a graph, set the start date of the graph so it matches your predetermined conclusion, publish and hope nobody like Techdirt checks your data.
Actually the authors don’t care about their data being checked since most readers of their propaganda don’t look at alternate viewpoints.

Naughty Autie says:

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Start with your conclusion, find a graph, set the start date of the graph so it matches your predetermined conclusion, publish and hope nobody like Techdirt checks your data.

That’s actually very similar to how Simon Baron-Cohen conducts his ‘research’. The only difference is that he doesn’t use graphs except for illustrative purposes.

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

Your graphs indicate a war on boys. spikes, convenient to propaganda directed at boys as “rapists, pedophiles, abusers, ” etc. The DVIC era.

And, I am cautious about ANY article citing to Frances Haugen–I am still awaiting evidence that she is, or isn’t related to International Justice Ministry’s Gary Haugen.

His big score was “gay conversion therapy”, and US NGO’s backed by religious fundamentalist imperatives, accosting the “natives” of east Asia, and nearby countries and fraudulently media-manipulating trips to trap so-called pedophiles in Thailand–seriously weird people.

Elon Musk’s assault of a true hero who saved kids from drowning in a tunnel/cave is one such example of these peoples work. “Pedophiles!!!” are everywhere but in themselves.

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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Hey Wang Chong Fu, is that another schismogenatic AC or is it delusional parasitosis on our part?

Nah, never mind–clearly, it is a case of symmetrical schismogenesis masquerading as FVEY’s “patriots,” Thing 1 and Thing 2..

Now, schismogenetic troll Thing 2 is wondering how I did that, from SINGAPORE…..idiot. If I was on a US phone, I would be directly routed to Thing 1’s secret wanktank below Dick Cheney’s bunker.

As for Haugen, I have not been able to verify or debunk–she is or isn’t in Gary’s lineage? Open source does not link them.

Regardless–his NGO is reeking havoc all over sex workers rights, and the LGBTQmunity in most of east Asia and the pacific–the tip of this arrow here.

Lot’s of uncounted suicides due to these zionazi’s type of “conversion” and other bullying.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

The link you posted:

https://cn.bing.com/search?q=gary+haugen+iowa&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=gary+haugen+iowa&sc=1-16&sk=&cvid=73BA620A3C8640D68E07D37EF5EE5658&ghsh=0&ghacc=0&ghpl=

And a quick Google informs me that the .cn TLD is indeed used in mainland China. So when you called the other AC a “schismogenetic liar”, that must have been more projection.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Hey, Thing 1, NED called about that article “NED: ‘The National Endowment for Attacking Democracy’”–it wants its Trolling Style Manual back–could you get on that?

I’d have thought you’d be in a better position to do that since you’re the only troll in this comments section.

Keeping such documents under your pillow at night could get you jailed.

If you believe that, then don’t do it. Hypocrite.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Can we NOT?

It’s straight WHITE males in the Republican party, for one. And their 73 million strong idiot voter army.

Straight Black, Native, Asian and HMONG men would also like to not be lumped together with the assholes who subscribe to the Republican mantra of white supremacy…

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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Wow-hwm, qhov ntawd !

Right–a certain portion of Lynn Fitch fans here (white females maswwquerading as feminists), and a distinct tribe of the foreskin hunters here always phrase “male” as a problem, regardless of race, whereas others are just spergtificators, flag-brigaders, and .NGO, .mil, .ADL-hasbara types.

Silicon Valley so full of conflicted trolls, struggling to appear as “liberal’s,” failing miserably,being outed as schismogenetic assholes.

Most of them Baptist’s, or some other religious fundie crusaders, in the fold of disgraced eBay troll and stalker-in-chief Steve Wymer, or his pit-boss Devin Wenig.

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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Well, Ms. Fitch, while I am not an admirer of your racism, support for the destroyed US Confederate’s or latest exploits at the SCOTUS in overturning abortion rights, I do admire your JTRIG-US-FVEY’s dedication to derailing comment forums, and especially your ability to circumvent TD’s flagging mechanism here.

How you do that is anyone’s guess, but myself, I would have to rig up a few phones, IP-redirected boxes, and VPN’s, and keep them running for days on end, sort of like you and Thing 2 are doing there.

But who has the time for that?! Oh–right! See Thing 1 and Thing 2, herein.

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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You remind me of that freckled girl, with a new puppy, and a trailer park somewhere in “Nowhere, Anywhere.world.”

Yuk–what kind of person would say what you just said there?

Boys are rapists, pedophiles and abusers

Hopefully, you cannot, will not, noor ever will be near any boys, EVER.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

I mean–me being Clarice here in your Thing 1 & 2 troll scenario…

You mean the scenario you invented? The only sick one here is you. You introduced the little girl and puppy, then declared it to be a pedophile’s wet dream in the same comment, meaning you see little girls as naturally sexual. That makes you a pervert, just as I said.

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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For the record, the CCP isn’t my bag of tricks–but since you continue to bring it up?

In the Asian Pacific region, the Chinese are kicking the US-FVEY’s kneel-for-Jesus-and-welfare-benefits-with-forced-buggery-soon-to-follow model of nation building.

Solomon Islands be like “US-FVEY’s Christcuckoldry so not hap’nin’ here,”LOL

I personally find that HILARIOUS, and apt–F@ck you, twice, Thing 2 (whose presence is tolerated here at TD for exactoy what reason?)–your US-FVEY’s snoops, continuing two-tiered societies that echo the worst of slavery; the broken justice systems there– and Ukrainian Nazi’s from Israel have revealed the true agenda of the “free” nations.”

Free from what exactly, is anyone’s guess–certainly not free from intrusive surveillance, gangs of murderous, drug dealing police, and CIA-FBI manufactured terrorism, lol.

Big f@cking lol on that, Grassy Knoll wanker. I smell schismogenetic derailing FVEY’s-Israel troll–and it’s you, wreaking havoc on democracy everywhere its ever been tried.

DBA Phillip Cross says:

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Um….yeah…and sometimes I even use proxies from two-tiered fascist, white supremacist nations too–US, Britain, Germany, et al. Its important to NOT have a regular internet fingerprint of ANY kind.

And silly me, sometimes I even used Tails and not-too-safe Tor, back in the day to communicate directly with the FVEY’s agencies, unfiltered. Nodes, indeed.

Using devices, and services from non-US-FVEY’s nations is simply common sense for any and all US dissidents, because ALL US-FVEY’s devices and services are backdoored so that intel trolls like you can manipulate US persons data.

You really should read “Schismogenesis:how autocrats and AC trolls turn civil society into a battle space” to get a better understanding of what you are attempting to do here, AC troll, Thing 1. It’s straight from the National Endowment for Democracy (NED) site–a blueprint of what you are attempting here.

You are not my first encounter with US-FVEY’s democracy derailers by far, but this time, I am a bit further away from your blather, batons and brutality.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

You really should read “Schismogenesis: how autocrats and trolls turn civil society into a battle space” to get a better understanding of what you are attempting to do here, Wikipedia troll. Adding words into a title just makes the work harder to find, you know? The rest of your “comment” is ignored for the blatant, lie-filled trolling it is.

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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Indeed, I do, NED troll Thing 1–here, look: the CIA’s pet democracy destruction project, the National Endowment for Democracy is being outed for what you and Thing 2 are doing–the people are waking up to cowardly NED trolls like you, like cancer, all over online, and at the internet switches too!

I’ll have my toast kosher rye, heavy on the caraway seeds please! Oh, crap, does that link out me as an apartheid state-allied person now??!!

Jonathan Haidt says:

From Haidt: Here's all of my data

Thanks for this critique. You are right that for boys, the rate used to be higher. But for girls, we are now at the highest rates ever recorded. For boys the links to social media are weak, at best. for girls they are much stronger. I put all of my data on the trends here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1diMvsMeRphUH7E6D1d_J7R6WbDdgnzFHDHPx9HXzR5o/edit#heading=h.fqs9cmdx9yd8

see especially p. 85, my debate with chris ferguson, where i address the causes of the 1980s spike in boys suicides.

then see this doc on the evidence that social media is a cause, not just a correlate, for girls:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1w-HOfseF2wF9YIpXwUUtP65-olnkPyWcgF5BiAtBEy0/edit

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DBA Phillip Cross says:

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Great stuff! These trends seem to follow (D) and (R) election cycles–for example, when Bush and Blair were running the world, circa 200-2007, boys suicide rate dropped.

suicides among teenage boys dipped from 2000 to 2007 and then climbed slowly and steadily through 2015. At that point, the rate began shooting upward.

The official narrative holds that Snapchat and Instagram are the worst offenders by far, but its hard to not imagine tat some corporate pressure or bias could also be at work here too–to create the narrative itself. That narrative crosses the oceans too, so it’s suspect in that regards.

Unfortunately, issues of media and reporting–but also narrative formation–is also factor in here–the choice of those who create “the narrative” to push one or another gender biased account, and favor that over another.

Many boys suicides, like that of Tysen Benz, are the direct result of internet bullying–by girls–but seem to get less response from media outlets, similar to how the topic of bullying by girls also gets less media attention.

So, one could also ask “how are public relations firms and public funds devoted to trance formation campaigns related to these results,” also. And–who are these firms that are waging “psychological operations” on the children anyways?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Many boys’ suicides, like that of Tysen Benz, are the direct result of internet bullying – by CCP-aligned trolls like DBA Phillip Cross – but seem to get less response from media outlets, similar to how the topic of bullying by CCP-aligned trolls also gets less media attention.

FTFY. YW.

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