Will People Actually Be Happier If Elon Musk Is Selling Their Data Instead Of Pushing Ads?
from the seems-doubtful dept
We’re still pretty much in the dark about Elon Musk’s real plans for Twitter. He had talked a little about changing how Twitter’s subscription product worked, and then the only other idea that had leaked was a weird one about trying to charge media organizations to quote or embed tweets. However, late last week, the New York Times published a story with some of the details of what Musk put in a presentation that was sent around to a variety of investors, and somehow convinced some pretty high profile investors to cough up another $7 billion for his Twitter purchase.
And, let’s be clear: there is no way that anyone — especially Elon — thinks that this plan is real or achievable. Musk, somewhat famously, hates business plans, saying that “these things are always wrong, so I just didn’t bother with business plans after that.” And one of the new investors in the deal, Binance CEO CZ made it clear he was investing in Musk, not because of any business plan:
“We, from our friends, heard that [Musk] was looking for third party investors, and are we interested?,” he recounted to the British newspaper. “We immediately said that we are. He didn’t have a plan for Twitter. There isn’t, like, a business plan. So it wasn’t that type of discussion.”
Must be nice to just have people throw billions of dollars at you despite having no business plan, more or less admitting that you’re doing this on a lark, and despite repeatedly showing a severe lack of understanding of Twitter’s current operations.
But, it seems he felt he needed to put at least something together, because, while he told Chris Anderson at TED that he’s not buying Twitter for the economics of it or to make money, at least some of the people he’s convincing to invest don’t want to lose all their money. And, the structure of the highly leveraged deal actually means that Twitter is going to need significant cash flow to service the debt.
Of course, he demonstrated his stated disdain for business models by putting in some details in his plan that make it clear that he thinks this is all a joke. Most notably this included insisting that he expects Twitter’s subscription service, Twitter Blue, to have (one of his two favorite childish numbers) 69 million users by 2025.
But, since we don’t have much else to go on, we do need to at least consider that some of what he writes in the plan, might actually be what he’s thinking. And that’s why this stood out:
Quintuple revenue to $26.4 billion by 2028.
In his pitch deck, Mr. Musk claimed he would increase Twitter’s annual revenue to $26.4 billion by 2028, up from $5 billion last year.
Cut Twitter’s reliance on advertising to less than 50 percent of revenue.
Under Mr. Musk, advertising would fall to 45 percent of total revenue, down from around 90 percent in 2020. In 2028, advertising would generate $12 billion in revenue and subscriptions nearly $10 billion, according to the document. Other revenue would come from businesses such as data licensing.
As others have noted, Musk actually needs the cashflow from advertising to pay for this deal, but also, Musk has long said that he hates advertising. And, many have pointed out that his plans for less moderation (should they ever actually be implemented) would likely drive away some advertisers.
Either way, it’s no surprise that he’d look to decrease the company’s dependency on advertising, and saying so publicly is the kind of thing that Musk would do, since he appears to absolutely crave adulation from the kind of perpetually online dudes who similarly hate advertising (this is not a knock on those people, because I’m one of them myself). And, lets be clear, I am all for any internet company learning how to decrease their dependency on advertising. I’ve spent plenty of time trying to do that myself. So, I think it could be interesting if he actually finds a better business model for Twitter that isn’t so advertising heavy (though, based on the numbers in that presentation, he’d still be growing the ads business in absolute terms, but would be making it a much smaller percentage of overall revenue.)
But, that leaves the big question of what those other revenue streams would actually look like. And here’s where the plan (as much as you can take it seriously) goes kinda weird:
Other revenue would come from businesses such as data licensing.
And here’s where you shout: “WHAT other data?” Twitter really doesn’t have that much other data about users (it has some, but nowhere near as extensively as Facebook or Google). In theory, Twitter could get a lot more aggressive about collecting more data, and tracking everyone’s whereabouts across the web, but people are already pretty damn creeped out by the way that Facebook does that, and it’s already resulted in some pretty large fines for that company. Jumping into the data brokering business like that seems ripe for setting up the company to also face some huge fines, when (as noted) the company needs cash flow coming in, not flowing into government treasuries in the form of paying off fines for failing to protect data.
And then there’s the creepiness factor. Whatever people think of Twitter’s failings around content moderation, people certainly don’t think of it in the same “kinda uncomfortable, but I’ll mostly live with it to see birthdays and wedding photos” feeling that many people feel towards Facebook.
So, sure, in theory Musk could build up Twitter’s data selling business, but with that comes lots and lots of challenges, including an increasingly ridiculous patchwork of laws that seem only likely to get worse — and the almost certain result of pissing off lots of users who, sure, hate ads, but the type of person who hates online ads tends to hate online tracking and companies selling off their data even more. (And that’s not even getting into the fact that Facebook really isn’t even selling data, it’s merely better targeting ads, meaning that the selling of data for Facebook is really just increasing the ads business, not a separate line of business.)
Things would get a lot more complicated for Twitter if it’s actually “selling data.”
And, again, all of this is fine. I have no doubt that Musk can think up some new ideas that maybe will work, and maybe will align incentives better overall, and make this whole deal possible. But, so far, it seems that all of his ideas don’t seem particularly well thought out to even begin to grapple with the second order effects of those decisions.
And, hey, if that works for getting people like CZ, Marc Andreessen, and Larry Ellison to throw billions of dollars your way, awesome, wonderful. That’s great. But, it at least feels a little bizarre that anyone should pretend that Musk has any real idea of what he’s getting into here. Currently, he’s an emperor with no clothes, and we should call that out; not pretend that we can see some magnificent threads because of a devotion to the belief that if Musk is standing there naked, it must be because he’s actually wearing some space-aged invisible nano clothes.
Filed Under: advertising, business models, business plan, data, elon musk, selling data
Companies: twitter
Comments on “Will People Actually Be Happier If Elon Musk Is Selling Their Data Instead Of Pushing Ads?”
Oh but it gets better...
Selling user data is already something that’s probably not going to go over very well but when you pair that with the ‘authenticate all the users’ bit that gets really fun, as now they’re not just selling data on anonymous users but ones that have real names attached to them, even if they want to pull the ‘but it’s anonymous data’ con.
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Something something push to get everyone to give up their cellphone number to obtain access, or signin with FB or Google… yep no way they are collecting data just waiting for a use.
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Yes
I would be much happier. Ads are annoying and intrusive. I could not care less who gets “my” data, as it’s invisible to me. I find people who have conniptions over “privacy” to be just baffling.
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So you’re happy for scammers to ruin your credit score by purchasing your data and using it to take out loans in your name, then?
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It hasn’t happened, so I’m neither happy nor unhappy about it. Over the years we’ve had fraudulent charges appear on our credit cards, probably fewer than ten times all together, and in each case it was handled expeditiously by the credit card company with no fuss or cost to us. Until otherwise demonstrated, I’m going to assume that a fraudulent loan would be handled the same way.
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He won’t ever care until it happens to him first.
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“Creepy old man has book with telephone numbers of everyone in his town.”
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Everyone has access to the phone numbers of everyone everywhere. Hell, after I accidentally rang the FBI by dialling the wrong number, I now have their number in my call log. But knowing a phone number’s a hell of a lot different than, say, linking your mac address to your Amazon purchases and online prescriptions.
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Or, say, scraping the data of a period tracker app to figure out when someone is pregnant…and, possibly, if they’ve had an abortion.
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Or a miscarriage that some ‘pro-lifers’ would take as evidence that an abortion was carried out. Just sayin’.
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Which is all very different than identity theft of social security number etc.
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And a handgun in a bedside cabinet is a very different danger to a rifle locked in a gun safe with the key kept on a pegboard, but both can end the life of a child who gets their hands on them. Your point?
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“I find people who have conniptions over “privacy” to be just baffling.”
So, no worries about someone tracking your period, or your pregnancy, or your transition, or your movements, or your purchases, because the power of the state is on your side, not against you?
Let me guess – you’re a cisgendered white man. If you honestly think in the current period of history, your online movements and purchases and activity won’t ever be used against you, you must be in that powerful minority.
The last person on earth I want having, let alone using my data is Elon Musk, and that goes for any company he owns. I’m not happy about Zuckerberg either, but at least we know what the little bastard is up to, and where he stands. Musk is a loose cannon.
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No worries about someone tracking my movements or my purchases because I just don’t care. I’m allowed not to care. I post things here and elsewhere under my real name that actually could have mattered before I retired, because people objecting to the things I say could have tried to get me fired. But I did it anyway. I think internet privacy is just another made-up thing that people worry about that in reality never causes anyone any problem.
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“I think internet privacy is just another made-up thing that people worry about that in reality never causes anyone any problem”
OK. Vast amounts of evidence shows otherwise, but so long as you spent most of your career before the modern issues existed, you can spend your last pathetic moments on this earth pretending they don’t matter to anyone because you are not directly affected? Typical.
Well, of course, unless you find that you do actually face consequences for something you hadn’t thought of, in which case because it’s happening to you it’s the worst thing that ever happened and needs to be fixed immediately, as is common with your type.
I hope you don’t suffer consequences for your lack of empathy and foresight, but thanks for keeping a record of your claims under your profile so that others can point to where they warned you if it does happen.
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Good luck with your anticipatory schadenfreude.
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Sure, you’re allowed to not care, but others are allowed to care.
Then you would be completely and utterly wrong on that. In reality, people have used lack of internet privacy protection to stalk, harass, etc. people IRL and to impersonate people. You may argue that it’s exaggerated or on where to draw the line on where internet privacy concerns are rational, but it’s not completely made-up, and it does cause at least some people actual problems.
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In reality, people have used lack of internet privacy protection to stalk, harass, etc. people IRL and to impersonate people.
Which led to the closure of ‘Aspies’ for Freedom.
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If Masnick didn’t want answers, he shouldn’t have asked.
I think of internet privacy in the same way you (or I, for that matter) think of grooming in sex-ed classes; a bunch of people worrying over nothing, dredging up one or two examples of bad things that have actually happened in order to stir up fear and push their agenda.
When it comes to targeted harassment and impersonation, are those the results of insufficient internet privacy rules? If you’re impersonating someone, don’t you already know who they are? Besides which, in real life, things like voter registration, home addresses, court cases, and so on are matters of public record and can be looked up without much effort. If you truly wanted to target an individual, a private investigator could likely find reams of information for a few hundred bucks. Even those scammy online people search sites can find me, more or less.
Whatever. I’m going to continue not to worry, and when people ask me about internet privacy, I’m going to continue to say I don’t care. And when other people say they do care, I’m going to say that they shouldn’t.
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In nil sapiendo vita iucundissima est or more contemporary Ignorance is bliss
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The difference being that one of the two has actually been demonstrated to happen a lot more than once or twice, while the other has never been demonstrated to have happened at all.
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…in real life, things like voter registration, home addresses, court cases, and so on are matters of public record and can be looked up without much effort.
And these can then be linked to ‘anonymous’ metadata, which is why online privacy is required. Thanks for proving our point for us, chump.
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A cisgendered WHITE SOUTH AFRICAN, who grew up in the good ol’ days of Apartheid South Africa, under a real piece of work that happened to be his dad.
He is worse than a loose cannon.
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Frankly, that he was South African doesn’t matter to me. There are plenty of issues with him, but I see no reason to bring this fact up over and over again.
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Musk is a loose cannon.
Nah, not really. We already know the dangers of loose cannons! 😉
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Mmmm, so Rosen wants to be a victim of Identity Theft, now.
Have fun being accused of crimes you mever committed now.
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The level of blissful ignorance in this claim is staggering.
On the plus side though, at least you know it’s “could not care less…”, so kudos for that.
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TD is in the dark about a lot more than Musk. You idiots obviously have no clue about how foolish you look to any educated person with an IQ over 90.
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Please, do fill us in.
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Ah, I was wondering if one of you pathetic oligarch stans would detach your lips from Musk’s ass long enough to drop into the comments here.
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Like how Elon Musk is a White South African who probably inherited his dad’s blood emerald mine, and that just like his awful, racist dad, the apple probably doesn’t fall far from the tree?
Or that’s he’s probably gonna fucking include NFTs, since, yanno, BINACE is another investor?
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And how is Musk’s nationality relevant to this? Racism much?
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Did you just confuse nationality with race?
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In fairness, the difference is often academic.
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No. Racism is an umbrella term covering discrimination based on ethnicity, nationality, race, or culture. Broaden your view, you may learn something.
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Weird how you people never state what these articles are wrong about, and never provide evidence. Almost as if there’s nothing to discuss with the adults in the room who will explain how you are the one who is wrong every time you give details…
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Said the rando who sounds like this douchebag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOohXANyWEY
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Then please elaborate on what TD is in the dark on. What do you and Musk know on the subject of this EU law, Twitter, free speech, and/or content moderation that TD does not? As an educated person with a decent IQ, they don’t look foolish to me, so please explain so I can get in on the joke.
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My IQ’s over 120 (genius level in the States, apparently), and I don’t get what Musk knows on the subject of Article 17, Twitter, free speech, and/or content moderation that Techdirt doesn’t, either.
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Hi Elon!
“Must be nice to just have people throw billions of dollars at you despite having no business plan”
When you’re a
starrich motherfucker, they let you do it. You can do anything.Re:
When you’re a
star…I think you misspelt ‘shit’ before striking it out. 😉
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Wait, how’d you do strikethrough? I didn’t think Techdirt’s Markdown had that.
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~~The world is flat.~~ We now know that the world is round.
if this works, its double tilde
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The world is flat.We now know that the world is round.maybe this?!
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break out the html elements to get it…
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fing plaintext lied to me!!…
Less Than S Greater Than
Less Than backslash S Greater Than
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In other words, the HTML strikethrough (or “s”) tag.Thanks for the heads-up on that. 👍
(I’d use the escape backslash to type out the tag itself, but it doesn’t seem to be working on this implementation of Techdirt’s Markdown. Another bug for Mike and the crew to work out, I suppose!)
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Weird…
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It was a puzzle to figure out…
I’ve not had any good ones to solve lately.
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S> working <s
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Forward slash, not backslash.
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Forward slash, not backslash. Like a sarc mark, but with angle brackets.
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Whether you use Markdown or ‘plain text’, you can use certain HTML tags, including , , and
.“Must be nice to just have people throw billions of dollars at you despite having no business plan”
Mike… stop pretending you never heard of DHS contractors.
😀
So, not only is Elon gonna try selling data, but somehow, NFTs will be involved, as well as cryptocurremcy and eventually BFTs, because Binance is now part of the problem.
Free speech
He wants more free speech,even more right wing trolls on twitter will discourage most advertisers, twitter has never made money, his plans don’t make sense, many human rights activists and lgbt groups in Conservative country’s, Russia, Iran etc use twitter, they would have to close their accounts on twitter if all users had to use real names for authentication. Millions of people use YouTube every day. a few more ads won’t stop people using twitter
Why is he buying twitter because it acts as his free pr agency for his products and business
He if he follows the Tumblr takeover model, it’ll crash hard and then Mike can buy it for the change in his couch & make it better.
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Or use all those leftover Blockbuster gift cards!
Oops. Me thinks I’m in a parallel thread.
Privacy
I value my privacy. Might rights to my privacy are not predicated on your disregard of yours.
cant have it both ways
Why would companies buy Twitter users data unless it somehow, somewhere, came down to advertising at them? Maybe not on Twitter itself, but they could track you across the internet and throw ads at you based on your Twitter behavior. The connection to Twitter may not even be obvious.
Either you pay directly by subscription or indirectly through being hit with advertising.
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Because Twitter knows so much more about its users than most people are aware of.
Of course it did take them like 1 yr to figure out I wasn’t female or in my 20’s… I mean its not like my bio literally was I’m the gay one.
They know who you talk to, they know what you talk about, they can draw a handy graph showing who you know & what is discussed.
Dude they bought location data from Grindr to out a bishop and who knows who else they found in their looking.
Tapping Twitter data just adds more to the profile they want to build on every human on the planet hoping someone will give them a few cents for a great lead on closeted teens looking for a personal style for attracting older men.
I read the data set they extrapolated about me once, I was torn between laughing and crying.
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Tapping Twitter data just adds more to the profile they want to build on every human on the planet, hoping someone will give them a few cents for a great lead on closeted teens looking for a personal style for attracting older men.
Twinks and bears, huh? Don’t Twitter realise how uncommon such pairings are?
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not all twinks are young, not all bears are old.
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Not saying they are. I was only reflecting Twitter’s apparent viewpoint.
Will People Actually Be Happier If Elon Musk Is Selling Their Data Instead Of Alphabet?
Just saying…
Yep
“Meet Abortion Bans’ New Best Friend—Your Phone
When it comes to reproductive rights, your digital trail matters more than you think.”
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Here’s the thing I don’t get: why do anti-abortionists not get that reproductive rights include the right to not reproduce at any particular point in time? They sure bang on about free speech rights, knowing that such rights include the right to not have to talk to particular individuals. (-_Q)
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Because of the mention people missed in the first round that there aren’t enough babies on the market for parents who can’t have children so we should make sure there is a flow of unwanted babies for these childless families…
(Don’t blink you’ll miss all of the children who aren’t white that none of them want to adopt who are left in the system to be a paycheck for horrible people but we also refuse to let them go to loving homes with 2 dads or 2 moms)
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Or white parents when there aren’t enough prospective parents of the same ethnicity. They’d rather these children go to parents of the same ethnicity and completely different cultures. (-_Q)
What’s different?
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I’ll say this, and remember that despite my finding privacy and tracking a non-issue, I recognise some people have real and/or imagined concerns.
And such, there should (must) be a method of agreement to allow data sales.
I prefer opt, mainly because out because I know how hard it is to make modern browsers allow unrestrained tracking. Most prefer opt in.
So from that, I approach this slightly differently. How is this different from any other major company? And I mean targeted with PII. Not anonymous.
You go to the grocery store and enter your cell phone number.
How about your car. Your dealership, your mechanic, they all sell data.
Buy something from an online store with an account?
Order flowers? Have your roof done? Grass cut? Call a plumber or electrician?
Everyone is selling your data.
Just read fine print on your receipts or membership agreement. Or account info page
Hell, they already do it, to a large extent, at twitter
https://cdn.cms-twdigitalassets.com/content/dam/legal-twitter/site-assets/privacy-page-gdpr/pdfs/Twitter-Privacy-Policy-EN.pdf
Again, as someone who has every possible method of tracking turned on, maybe this could better tune the targeting. Because no matter how much I try, I still get random crap of no use to me.
For other’s, how is this different than what it is already?!?