Missouri And Louisiana Sue Biden Administration Because Twitter Blocked Hunter Biden Link Before Biden Was President

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This one is just absolutely bizarre. The Attorneys General of Missouri and Louisiana are now suing President Joe Biden and a whole bunch of his administration, including press secretary Jen Psaki, Dr. Anthony Fauci, DHS boss Alejandro Mayorkas, and newly appointed Disinfo czar Nina Jankowicz, in a nearly incomprehensible complaint that the Biden administration forced social media sites to take down information, mostly before it was in office. Also, apparently Section 230 is both bad and the Biden support for repealing it violates the 1st Amendment. Or something. It really does not make much sense at all.

Putting the complaint in the best possible light, they’re trying to make a jawboning complaint: that government intimidation is forcing certain content moderation decisions. But even then, this complaint is ridiculously poorly written and laughable.

The complaint kicks off with a weird quote of George Washington on the importance of free speech and then jumps to quoting Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas’ extraordinarily non-binding random riffing about Section 230. But the crux of the complaint — again, I must remind you that it is against many parts of the Biden administration — is that they somehow colluded with private social media companies to censor speech, even though they weren’t even the government at that time.

A private entity violates the First Amendment “if the government coerces or induces it to take action the government itself would not be permitted to do, such as censor expression of a lawful viewpoint.” Biden v. Knight First Amendment Institute at Columbia Univ… (Thomas, J., concurring). “The government cannot accomplish through threats of adverse government action what the Constitution prohibits it from doing directly.”

And, yes, it’s true that the government cannot coerce private actors to do things like suppressing speech, but unless there’s a pretty clear threat associated with it, the government does still retain its right to speak out generally on what it likes and does not like. Now, it’s true that the line can get blurry here, but contrary to lots of complaints, the administration merely whining about disinformation on social media does not, in any way, count. We already discussed how the Press Secretary saying they don’t like disinformation on social media comes nowhere close to being an actual threat.

We also discussed how an angry anti-masker suing the administration because his posts got taken off Twitter wasn’t going to work, because Twitter remains a private company. But this lawsuit isn’t from some random anti-masker. It’s from the states of Louisiana and Missouri! States shouldn’t be filing such preposterous lawsuits, but here we are in the year 2022.

Anyway, as you dig into the details of this lawsuit, it gets progressively worse. At least with the anti-masker dude he was pointing to specific content he felt was banned because of the White House. What content are real life Attorneys General Jeff Landry and Eric Schmitt suing over?

The Hunter Biden laptop story in the NY Post.

Perhaps most notoriously, social-media platforms aggressively censored an October 14, 2020 New York Post exposé about the contents of the laptop of (then-Candidate Biden’s son) Hunter Biden, which had been abandoned in a Delaware repair shop and contained compromising photos and email communications about corrupt foreign business deals.

So, so much to unpack here. Let’s start with the big one though: the Biden administration did not exist at the time of the Hunter Biden laptop story. So there is no way that the Biden administration could have violated the 1st Amendment into pressuring social media not to carry that story.

And that’s not even getting into how silly the whole claim about the Biden laptop was. We’ve explained over and over and over again why that’s not a story of political censorship. And if you keep claiming it is, then you have to explain why the exact same policy used against a website for revealing internal police chat messages wasn’t equally political (and let’s not even get into the claim that the laptop revealed “corrupt” foreign business deals).

Either way, it takes an incredible lack of shame to argue that Twitter (a private company) using its existing “hacked materials” policy to block a single link to a single story, is a 1st Amendment violation, because the Biden administration, which did not exist for another three months, was pressuring the company to block it.

And it gets worse.

The second example used in the lawsuit is social media companies limiting discussions of the whole “lab leak” theory… in early 2020. Also, efforts by social media companies to pull down disinformation about mail-in ballots. All of these things happened under the Trump administration, and not because of government pressure, but because the companies didn’t want to have their platforms abused by malicious actors.

The lawsuit also has a weird, somewhat contradictory position on Section 230. First, it blasts Section 230, saying (falsely) that it “subsidized, protected, and fostered the creation of speech-censorship policies in a small, concentrated group of social-media firms.” This is not just false, it’s laughably false, and any lawyer who claims this is true, shouldn’t still be a lawyer.

The 1st Amendment is what allows any website to moderate as it sees fit. It’s called editorial discretion. And, again, it applies to any website that is hosting 3rd party speech, and not just a “small, concentrated group of social-media firms.” I mean, I guess it’s not that surprising that a lawsuit that claims that Twitter following its own moderation rules 3 months before the Biden administration exists means the Biden administration violated the 1st Amendment, was written by lawyers who don’t realize the 1st Amendment is actually what protects a website’s rights to moderate.

But then, after blasting Section 230, and insisting that it’s been interpreted wrongly… the lawsuit suddenly does spins around, and claims that… the Biden administration’s many (incredibly stupid) claims to want to repeal Section 230 is the mechanism by which it was threatening social media companies into doing its bidding. So, according to this lawsuit, Section 230 is an evil, unconstitutional, problematic law, but any attempt to reform or repeal it is… itself a 1st Amendment violation. How’s that work?

Finally, the lawsuit calls out the ridiculous “Disinformation Governance Board” that Homeland Security is setting up. We’ve already talked about how dumb the rollout of this board is, and the administration has since fumbled multiple chances to explain what the Board is and what it’s going to do. I’d be fine if they just canceled the whole stupid plan. But, considering it doesn’t even exist, and may be doing something totally benign — like studying how disinformation flows — it seems a bit premature to be suing it as a 1st Amendment violation.

The entire lawsuit reads more like something we read from trolls in our comments, not a lawsuit filed by two actual, honest-to-goodness state Attorneys General. But, kudos, Jeff Landry and Eric Schmitt, you’ve truly outdone yourselves in stupid, performative, nonsense lawsuits.

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Anonymous Coward says:

The entire lawsuit reads more like something we read from trolls in our comments

Damn you!! Damn you to hell!!

Do you realize what you have done here? Just wait until the troll brigade comes storming in to prove just how right you are!!

Now we have to wade through it all… and laugh at the sheer stupidity of their arguments.

Especially the arguments that will be put forth claiming that THIS lawsuit will be the one that breaks Twitter’s back.

Chozen (profile) says:

Re: Re: But Still Attacks Constitutionality

But this suit still attacks the constitutionality of section 230..

Mike is an idiot so he doesn’t get the argument so let me simplify.

“”It struck me that if that rule was going to take hold then the internet would become the Wild West and nobody would have any incentive to keep the internet civil,” ~ Chris Cox Author of Section 230

So section 230’s intent was to provide an incentive to “keep the internet civil” AKA suppress free speech.

Now we have a concrete examples of the Biden administration saying ‘You use your section 230 immunity to censor that content we don’t like or we will remove your section 230.’

The Biden administration has basically proven that section 230 is intended to get private actors to engage in suppression of speech the government doesn’t like.

Anonymous Coward says:

But, considering it doesn’t even exist, and may be doing something totally benign — like studying how disinformation flows — it seems a bit premature to be suing it as a 1st Amendment violation.

Suing over a non-existent board genuinely sounds like Missouri and Louisiana are troubled by having disinformation governed. Which is… still not a good look for them, frankly, but if they were actually concerned about how they looked, we wouldn’t be here.

David says:

It's performative

The AGs are being paid for doing that kind of nonsense among their other work, and the case being thrown out of court will get cited in the right kind of news as how the corrupt radical left court system protects Big Tech’s catering to the Bidens and hiding their crimes while ruthlessly persecuting Trump followers for paying a peaceful visit to Congress protesting how Twitter stole the election. While letting Antifa off the hook when it was them that ransacked the Capitol.

Something like that. This is just meal preparation for feeding the grievance machine at taxpayer cost. It does not serve legal purposes.

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degrees57 (profile) says:

Although I agree that this is legal theater instead of actual redress, I have some sympathy for the case

Mike says “… the Biden administration did not exist at the time of the Hunter Biden laptop story. So there is no way that the Biden administration …” True. This ignores that elected officials come and go, but bureaucrats are forever.

It would have made sense had this lawsuit been against NSA and CIA, and particular people in those departments. It was the people in those departments who did the full on press that the Hunter Biden story wasn’t a story, therefore Twitter and Facebook should censor it.

That Twitter and Facebook DID censor was obvious election tampering.

That’s the gist of the problem. An “October Surprise” has been a modern election tactic for forty years. It’s not like this was fake news; the NY Post even offered the NYT access to the material at the time. And of course, March 16 of this year, the New York Times finally admitted that the story was real.

Instead of suing “The Biden Administration”, this lawsuit should have been against the agencies and people that sold Twitter and Facebook on the idea to supress the story. So yeah, it is a mis-placed lawsuit and (at best) “Legal Theater”.

This still leaves us with the fundamental problem that the spy agencies had spent four years stabbing CIC/POTUS in the back. Then they urged Twitter and Facebook to tamper with the election, which they did.

It was good for them that their election tampering worked. If DFT had gotten re-elected, he probably would have gone on a “Defund The Spies” campaign in revenge. His first term, they could dangle the second term as a carrot in front of him; but once he became a lame duck president, he really wouldn’t have anything to lose, to test the whole Line Item Veto process against defunding the agencies that had spent four years actively trying to harm him. This would have been catastrophic for those agencies. It (line item veto all funding for them) might have worked, but even if not, it would have delayed the budget (and payroll) of those agencies for months while the legal battle played out.

So I have some sympathy for the idea that someone ought to be brought to justice for tampering with the election. Naming “The Biden Administration” is stupid, though.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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That Twitter and Facebook DID censor was obvious election tampering.

Two things.

  1. Twitter and Facebook didn’t censor shit; the original article was⁠—and still is!⁠—on the New York Post website despite the moderation choices of those social media services.
  2. Even if what Twitter and Facebook did was “censorship” (and it wasn’t), the information was still available outside of those two sites, and the story still was allowed to be discussed on those services after they undid their stupid-ass moderation decisions⁠—so I fail to see how what they did was “election tampering”.

An “October Surprise” has been a modern election tactic for forty years.

So what?

the New York Times finally admitted that the story was real

The NYT “admitted” was that some of the information on the laptop was legit. But they also said the lack of a proper chain of custody meant no one could be sure who put the information on the laptop and when or how they put it there⁠. No legal proceeding would accept any of that info as evidence, regardless of the validity thereof, because of the chain of custody issue.

this lawsuit should have been against the agencies and people that sold Twitter and Facebook on the idea to supress the story

And that lawsuit would be equally as bullshit. Either service could have said “fuck you” to any third party that said “block the link to the story”. Unless the government ordered Facebook and Twitter to block the link, neither service acted as an agent of the government⁠.

And as the article pointed out, Trump and his cronies had control of the government at the time. That administration had every reason to want the story widely discussed in the news and on social media.

the spy agencies had spent four years stabbing CIC/POTUS in the back

How, by telling the truth instead of lying?

If DFT had gotten re-elected, he probably would have gone on a “Defund The Spies” campaign in revenge.

Would that have been before or after he started a war with Mexico by firing missiles into that country under the pretext of targeting drug cartels?

once he became a lame duck president, he really wouldn’t have anything to lose

Which was, I’m sure, one of the motivating factors behind people voting to kick his ass out of office: If he had nothing to lose, how far would he take his desires to be a dictator like his best comrade, Vladimir Putin? After all, we know he “joked” on several occasions about serving more than two terms⁠—which would require a violation of the Constitution, which is a step I doubt even a GOP-controlled Congress would be willing to take.

test the whole Line Item Veto process against defunding the agencies that had spent four years actively trying to harm him

Yes, and how would defunding every government intelligence agency and ruining the U.S. intelligence infrastructure for at least the better part of a decade over his petty grievances with people refusing to lie for him have ultimately worked out for him in the long run?

I have some sympathy for the idea that someone ought to be brought to justice for tampering with the election.

And as soon as you can provide even a shred of credible evidence that any government agency within the United States tampered with the 2020 presidential election (but not any of the downballot races for some insane reason), you let me know. Until then: The Plaintiff’s failure to cite the substance of their claims, as is required for those claims to be taken seriously, compels dismissal.

Now go back to Truth Social. 👋

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: "Election Tampering"

Even if Twitter had deliberately chosen to moderate in order to influence the election, they would have been allowed to do that, just as Fox News and MSNBC are allowed to report stories that promote one side of the political debate. Advocating for your side, even unfairly or untruthfully, is not “tampering”.

Chozen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Actually NO

Acutally no,

What the FEC ruled was that because the DOJ was back channeling information to Twitter and others about a “hacked” of material related to Biden about to be released the FEC said that Twitter had legitimate reasons to suppress the material. Had the DOJ not been back channeling Twitter then it would have amounted to an in-kind contribution.

This of course creates a catch 22 because its a good argument to make to the FEC but the DOJ feeding false information to Twitter in order to get Twitter to suppress speech is a crime. Its conspiracy against rights. But that isn’t in the FEC’s jurisdiction.

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Mike Masnick (profile) says:

Re:

Has anyone ever said that progressives aren’t capable of filing idiotic lawsuits too? Because the answer is no. And, we’ve covered idiotic lawsuits filed by all different kinds of people across the political spectrum.

But, I’ll note two things: one, the lawsuit you’re linking to was filed by a random group, not two states. And, two, if the very first thing you think to do when you see a dumbass lawsuit filed by Republicans, is to go hunting for a similarly dumbass lawsuit filed by “progressives” you have a very serious “but what about…” problem.

So tell me Hyman, why is it that day in and day out, the only thing you think you need to do is complain about people you insist are progressive? You’re infatuation is just kinda weird, dude.

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Hyman Rosen (profile) says:

Re: Re: Why?

I’m a regular reader of The Volokh Conspiracy, a blog of libertarian-leaning law professors. That Kung Flu case just happened to show up there, so I mentioned it. I didn’t go seeking it out.

It’s a good site to read regardless of your politics, because they actually are lawyers, so they can analyze cases in depth. Some of them have also filled amicus briefs in prominent cases and have had opinion pieces published in newspapers. They know what they’re talking about even if you don’t support their views.

Mike Masnick (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

I’m aware of the site and friendly with some of its authors (including the one it’s named after). I’ve worked with some of them on projects. Meanwhile, we also have filed amicus briefs in prominent cases and have had opinion pieces published in newspapers… and I still don’t see what any of that has to do with anything, nor does it explain why you think some totally irrelevant case was worthy of posting in this particular comment thread other than that you felt the need to diminish the particular absurdity of this particular case, which just so happens to come from two AGs who make claims that are eerily reminiscent of your creepy infatuation with the made up concept of “woke” people.

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Chozen (profile) says:

Good Strategy

Good strategy sueing the Aministration and not any BigTech. Mike is a legal idiot so let me spell it out for you.

By suing the administration and not BigTech many of Mike’s favorite legal games are off the table.

#1 Section 230 immunity is not at play. Much like Mike likes to say the first Amendment protects you from the government not private businesses, section 230 protects an interactive computer service not the government. So no leftwing judge can just claim section 230 and throw the case. The government cant claim section 230.

#2 The plaintiff gets to shop the judge. Much like mike loves to eat the shit spout out by Judge Hinkle in the 4 judge district of North Florida. The plaintiffs here get to shop the judge. You can see this by the fact that they are filing in the heavily conservatize 11th circuit and the 3 judge Western District of Louisiana Monroe Division If they are smart they worked timing to pull Doughty or McClusky.

#3 There is no application of Terms of Service. Since BigTech isn’t being sued ToS do not apply. Because ToS do not apply there is no contract law to fall back on. A big big issue in holding BigTech to account is the corruption of the Northern District of California. Almost every single judge in the NDC has immediately filmily who works for BigTech. You think its hard to get a job at Google? Not if you father or mother is on the NDC bench. Google will give you 6-7 figures right out of college if mommy or poppy are a NDC judge. You are about as likely to get a fair judge in the NDC when it comes to BigTech as abolitionists were to get a judge in 19th Century Connecticut to hold Connecticut shipping companies to account for violations of the Slave Trade act, in short none at all.

With ToS not being applicable those ToS clauses that set jurisdiction in the NDC isn’t valid. So BigTech cant fall back on their paid off corrupt judges. This case will be litigated through the 11th Circuit to the SCOTUS.

  1. Who cares if we win. BigTech fears discovery. Thats why they love section 230 and the NDC so much. Lets see just what Zuckerberg offered Fauci. We know he offered him something but “redacted.”

This is going to be fun!

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

Here’s the problem with all your bullshit: It still relies on the notion that the Biden administration somehow had the link blocked when:

  1. Joe Biden wasn’t the President (and wouldn’t be for another three months at the time the link was dropped);
  2. Joe Biden wasn’t in any political office, especially one that would grant him access to the national security apparatus;
  3. Donald Trump was still president; and
  4. The election that Joe Biden won (and Donald Trump lost) both electorally and popularly hadn’t happened yet.

Two states suing the Biden administration for something it didn’t do⁠—couldn’t have done!⁠—is not going to end the way you think it will.

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Chozen (profile) says:

Reproductive Desency Act

“Section 230 is both bad and the Biden support for repealing it violates the 1st Amendment. Or something. It really does not make much sense at all.”

Mike when I brought up the hypothetical section 230 of the reproductive decency act your misfits when ballistic. Stephen stupid sissy child that he is through it was real and not a hypothetical intended to prove a point. Stephen would be legally classified as an idiot in the early 20th century so we can understand but the point was made non the less.

Using government immunity to encourage private censorship is itself unconstitutional.

If I passed the Reprocuctive Decency act with a section 230 that granted immunity to anyone who impeded access to an abortion clinic. That act would be clearly unconstutional. I’m using government immunity power to encourage private actors to deny others their rights.

Section 230 has always been unconstutional. Its just a little game the government played to figure out how government power could be used to get private actors to do with the government couldn’t constitutionally do.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

If I passed the Reprocuctive Decency act with a section 230 that granted immunity to anyone who impeded access to an abortion clinic. That act would be clearly unconstutional.

Twitter isn’t an abortion clinic or a hospital. Twitter is an interactive web service. Usage of that service isn’t guaranteed by any law, including the First Amendment. Your analogy sucks; get a new one.

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Chozen (profile) says:

State Lawl

Little reminder Mike. Getting rid of section 230 is only the 1st step.

After that we will incorporate political affiliation into our states civil rights codes.

Once that is done if you and your friends don’t immediately cease figuring out how to censor political speech you don’t like you and your little cadre friends will be hauled off to Texas, Oklahoma, Florida etc to face trial in our courts and prison in our jails.

Without that federal immunity the California legal system will not be able to protect you. You will be wishing you were in a Northern California prison.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Re:

After that we will incorporate political affiliation into our states civil rights codes.

And there you have it, folks: Chozen wants the law to force an association between Twitter and people who express beliefs (you know the ones…) that Twitter currently considers a violation of the Twitter TOS. He isn’t even trying to hide that he wants free reach at the expense of someone else.

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