Russia Follows Up Ukraine Invasion By Demanding US Social Media Companies Stop Fact-Checking Russian Government Content
from the get-bent,-warmongers dept
Here comes The Motherland, insisting that no one allow anything to undermine its “LET’S INVADE UKRAINE” narrative. Russia, which has never taken a hands-off approach to content moderation, is demanding US companies stop fucking with its plans for world domination. Here’s Patrick Tucker with the details for Defense One.
The Russian government took steps Friday to further limit what its citizens can see in media and on the internet: “slowing” access to Facebook and ordering state and independent outlets to use only governmental sources in their reporting on Ukraine.
Russia will “partially restrict access in the form of slowing down traffic” to the social-media platform, Russia’s telecommunications agency said, in response to Facebook’s own “restricting” of four state-owned media sites: the Zvezda TV channel, the RIA Novosti news agency, and the Lenta.ru and Gazeta.ru Internet sites.
Russia is fighting fire with fire, something no one outside of Ray Bradbury novels recommends doing. But Russia is big. Unfortunately, so are the social media behemoths it’s tangling with. Who would win, a dictator who wants to see the second coming of the United Soviet Socialist Republic or Mark Zuckerberg’s ability to defeat all comers, whether they are Tyrell Corp. escapees seeking their cut of a Harvard creeper app or the guy who once rode a horse without a shirt on? Time will tell, as they say when they are escorted from the Techdirt premises.
Nick Clegg, VP of Facebook global affairs, says Facebook will prevail. His statement affirms Facebook’s inconsistent approach to content moderation, noting that the company has rejected the Russian government’s demands that it stop engaging in fact-checking and labeling of content created by Russian state agencies.
The Russian government, represented by the always reprehensible Roskomnadzor, says it will prevail, noting that local law says it can force nearly any service provider to STFU. According to the Russian agency, all companies — foreign or not — are obliged to pass on content from “official Russian sources” to comply with Russian law. Unfortunately for the Russian government, US companies are not subject to Russian law. So, unless the Russian government is willing to airdrop tanks and troops onto the campuses of US service providers, the companies are free to do what they want.
The Russian government understands this. That’s why it has given itself the capability to pull the plug on foreign services. And that’s why it has continually restricted access to content it doesn’t care for. But its scorched social media earth policy only goes so far. Russian citizens may be under Putin’s thumb, but they’re still capable of drawing their own conclusions and able to express their opinions without worrying too much about being disappeared for wrongthink.
Russian researcher Vasily Gastov says the Russian government is always saying things like this, but ultimately only has limited power when it tries to force its worldview on citizens. It makes hundreds of thousands of demands for content removal every year, but is lucky to see a fifth of its demands complied with by US service providers.
As for the millions of Russians now suddenly being asked to support a war they didn’t want, the Russian government’s censorial desires are likely to result in less support for its Ukraine invasion.
Gastov said the move to restrict Facebook could backfire. When Russian news consumers have access to multiple points of view, they may be more likely to accept the government’s course of action even if they don’t like it, he said.
But when readers “try to get alternative information and there is none, they get worried,” he said. The move to block Facebook “will increase tensions and definitely will make people more disconnected with Putin?s own media.”
If the Russian government was the undeniable force it desperately wants to be, it would give zero fucks about content posted to social media services hosted in the US. At worst, it could toss around the term “fake news” and claim US companies were amplifying a false narrative at the behest of the US government. Instead, it has decided to attempt to impose its will on entities located halfway around the world. And that won’t go unnoticed by the public the Russian government needs on its side as it angers most of the rest of the world with its invasion of a sovereign nation. A successful war requires winning over hearts and minds. But these actions show the Russian government feels it’s unable to accomplish this goal and must rely on telling people how to think by eliminating their information options.
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By all means pull that trigger, see how that works out
If there was less attention to the matter I imagine Facebook would cave rather than potentially risking an entire county’s market but with so many people and governments watching giving in to the russian government’s demands would just leave the company wide open to be raked over the coals( and rightly so), so pure self-interest will likely be more than enough to get Facebook to tell the would-be Ministry of Truth to either bring down the hammer or bugger off.
Don't. Just don't.
“So, unless the Russian government is willing to airdrop tanks and troops onto the campuses of US service providers, the companies are free to do what they want.”
Let’s not give Vlad the Invader any ideas.
“Why, that’s so crazy, it just might work!”
“War is war and hell is hell…”
Between this, the anti-war protests from Russians, and the Russian economy crumbling due to the sanctions, I would love to think Putin is slowly losing his grasp on his own country. Only warmongers want the Russian people to be hurt by all this. Turns out one of them may be Putin himself.
This content moderation effort is like the invasion itself ...
… more Fahrenheit 45.1 than 451.
So we’re at the “Streisand effect on war and misinformation campaigns” stage of society. Got it.
USSR
That would be the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Perhaps you are too young to remember it…
Re: USSR or USSR?
It could be that the reported new version, United Soviet Socialist Republic, is so named to avoid copyright/trademark issues with the owners of the old “Union of” brand.
It even works out that way for the abbreviation, since the word for ‘united’ is объединенный. So CCCP would be replaced with OCCP.
But if this holds true to any of the trademark issues reported here at TD, it will wind up in court. But the defendants won’t show, having succumbed to a puzzling death due to exposure to radiation, nerve agents, or the mysterious substance, uppsydaisium.
Re: Re: Pedantry
It’s not CCCP, it’s СССР – which looks the same, but since you were managing to type in Cyrillic just above, you would certainly know that the letters Er and Es are not the letters Pee and See.
Re: Re: Trademark
Is there some reason to think the old name is trademarked? How could such a trademark be valid? In what area of commerce is the name used? Is it not a factual description of the item, which is not eligible for trademark protection? Google results for “united soviet socialist republic” turn up results only for “USSR” and “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics”, and nothing at all for the actual phrase searched. Not to mention that it cannot be “the second coming of the United Soviet Socialist Republic” if there has never been a country of that name before.
In short, I think you made that up, there is no trademark issue, and it was just a mistake.
Re: Re: Re: Made it up?!?
Golly! You think I made it up? I’m shocked! I’m offended! I’m puzzled as to why you had a problem with trademark but not uppsydaisium.
Re: Re: Trademark suite in West Texas in 3 2 1 ..
Hollywood has OCP trademarked copyrighted and who knows what else.
Omni Consumer Products would most definitely sue and be delighted to deploy their latest neighborhood safety enforcement systems on a lend lease basis.
If…if
If, if this campaign goes beyond Ukraine I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong. I still don’t think it will.
But this was still fully unnecessary! If Ukraine had granted independence to the two Russian majority regions in the south east, none of this would have happened.
Min stead they chose to continue the civil war despite Russia literally saying they would defend those regions.
From the “I believe” camp: Russia has to move on the capital to show strength in making sure those regions remain free now that they have been ‘liberated’.
From the New-Soviet camp, pacifying Ukraine pushes the nato line back to a locked hard-to-pass geological line of mountains.
Re: Edit
Min stead->
Instead
Re: Putin propagandist
But this was still fully unnecessary! If the US had granted independence to Minnesota and Wisconsin which Canada declared to be independent, none of this would have happened.
Instead the US chose to continue the civil war despite Canada literally saying they would defend those regions.
Do you see how stupid that is yet?
So you’re going to claim, presumably with a straight face since I can’t see you, that the only reason Russia is attacking Kyiv is to ensure the regions they have attempted to annex remain “free”?
How does it feel to literally defend a tyrant’s invasion of a democratic sovereign country Lodos? Do you feel like you’re on the right side of history here?
Re: Re: Perception
I guess it depends on how you look at it. I’m one of those Americans that think California should be allowed to leave the union.
That Jeffersonia has the right to be it’s own state base on the majority of population choice.
And that all states in the US have the right to leave the union per popular vote.
When the vast majority of a region wants liberty from the controlling group… we need to recognise that.
It’s not something that should be done without though!
But how is that long civil war with two regions helping either the residents or the Ukraine as a whole?
Now there’s a full on war over a group of people who want out.
How does anyone benefit from moments like this historically?
Re: Re: Re: Perception
OK if California votes to leave? Debateable at best, but also, IMO, unconcerned for the greater common good and naive as to the implicit belief that the choice would be calm and informed and not as subject to easy manipulation as we have seen in the last 5 years.
But the issue is much analagous to “Russia reclaiming its historical rights to California by invading in force to annex it, based on 19th-century forts”.
Re: Re: Re:2 Cali
As a non-California resident, I don’t really care what they choose.
California has been infighting for some time now. Be it a move to jettison the southern costal cities as the 51st state or a move to split the state in two or three. Etc etc.
But Your comparison doesn’t work here. This isn’t 200 year old forts. This is 30-some year large majority Rus populations recently displaced by the collapse of the Union.
A population that has been in actual armed warfare with the country for some time now.
These are people who didn’t get a choice in who their masters were. Are they less important because of who they are and where they are.
Re: Re: Re:
You are free to point out how a popular vote is done when a foreign power provides money, weapons and military personnel to those who want to leave so they can wage war on the government.
Ah, I get it now. It’s because when they have killed or subjugated those who doesn’t want to leave they will win the popular vote.
Re: Re: Re:2 US
You quote and still missed the relation of the line! I wasn’t referring to the Ukraine there. But the United States.
As per the independent states…
Where do you draw the line between freedom of choice and right of a State?
Should you be subjugated just because a minority doesn’t want freedom?
Those few that side with the State are often termed “Loyalists”.
We recognise Taipei as Taiwan.
How about the other pre and post soviet splits in Eastern Europe?
Do you personally only recognise independence if you agree with those seeking independence?
Re: Re: Re:3 Russia
Russia Thinks West Will ‘Get Over’ Ukraine War, Calls Response ‘Hysteria’
And Lostinlodos is here trying to help (Putin, that is).
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-thinks-west-will-get-over-ukraine-war-calls-response-hysteria-1684516
Re: Re: Re:4 A bit dramatic of a reaction
Trying to help? No.
I’m trying to understand why people are so one-sided in their calls for democracy and freedom and Liberty.
Only to those they deemed worthy, eh?
Re: Re: Re:5
People are one-sided in their calls for autocrats to stop invading their neighbors. Most people I mean – not you of course, you’re fine with it. You didn’t see anybody condemning the situation until Russia attacked. That’s what is being condemned, not these regions trying to become independent. If they want to do that, fine, but Russia is just using that as a pretext to invade a country that Putin has long believed is rightfully a part of Russia. He has no interest in their independence; he wants to control not only them but the whole of Ukraine if he can manage it.
Re: Re: Re:6 Maybe
As I said if it turns out to be a pure takeover and annexation I’ll admit I was wrong. But nothing so far says that definitively.
Re:
The whole ‘If Ukraine granted independence’ is just a excuse for Russia’s behavior – like renegading on their promises.
Lets iterate the things Russia have done:
1. Russia annexed Crimea even though they guaranteed Ukraine’s independence.
2. Russia supported the separatists (who initially where just a very small fringe group) with money, weapons and military personnel even though they guaranteed Ukraine’s independence.
3. Russia invaded Ukraine, bombing and killing people with the excuse that Ukraine isn’t a valid state and the goal is the denazification of the country even though they guaranteed Ukraine’s independence.
So here’s my question for you, if Russia could just renegade on their promise without consequence, especially in light of their explicit support of the separatists – why should Ukraine “grant independence” to these regions? To appease Russia because it consistently lied and broke promises? Because Russia helped the separatists from the beginning in an effort to destabilize Ukraine and use it as an excuse for all the shit that’s happening now?
Do you really think it would have been enough for Ukraine to grovel before Russia and grant independence to the regions? Perhaps you should look into the events leading up to Euromaidan and what Russia did to Ukraine before and after that event.
It boggles the mind that there are US citizens defending Russia’s machinations, even on prime time TV, all the while it makes war on a country that drew it’s ire.
Re: Re: Renege
Great comment, but it’s “renege” not “renegade”, though they come from the same root.
Re: Re:
No, to release a group who are militantly against their subjugation.
Re: Re: Re:
Do you know who the initial separatists where? It was neo-fascists, small time criminals, an odd business man and some pro-russian extremists. Strangely enough, someone riled them up and gave them money and resources to stage protests, but they where quickly left behind when actual fucking “former” GRU officers and Russians stepped in to “help the separatists” – with more money, actual weapons and military personnel. Suddenly people who spoke out against them and Russia disappeared into unmarked cars, some of them where never found again, others where beaten within a inch of their life and some where found dead in ditches.
When something looks like a bear, smells like a bear, shits on your porch and on a somewhat regular basis maim and kill people while invading countries, it’s the Russians fucking another country over once again.
Now, do you think waging a war against 37 million people and a democratically elected government is an appropriate response for reasons the aggressor essentially manufactured?
I have to wonder why you are constantly defending people who are proven assholes, idiots, criminals, warmongers and straight up fascists? Is it some kind of fetish or do you actually identity with them?
Re: Re: Re:2
The best part of it is Lostinlodos will, in no uncertain terms, swear up and down that he doesn’t affiliate himself with them. He just believes that if you think about it logically, you’d be able to see that he has no other choice. It’s like voting for Trump and defending his every action, but you can believe Lostinlodos is not an asshole, he swears!
He’s become so predictable he’s long since overstayed his welcome.
Re: Re:
The real kicker of a question that Lodos is avoiding answering (or even asking himself, apparently) is this: If Russia merely wanted to free/defend the separatist portions of Ukraine from the Ukranian government, why is the Russian military striking at civilian targets in cities that aren’t in of those parts of the country, including the capital city of Kyiv?
Re: Re: Re:
Don’t you understand?! Ukraine must be punished because they didn’t grant independence to the regions who had taken up arms against the government! Baaad Ukraine!
That’s the gist I got from his first post saying “If Ukraine had granted independence to the two Russian majority regions in the south east, none of this would have happened”.
Re: Re: Re:2 Because of course that's the right answer~.
It’s rather convenient that such an explanation can glide over the fact that the initial aggressor in this conflict—Russia, in case anyone had forgotten—initiated military action without any provocation of any kind. Even if “freeing” those separatist regions within Ukraine were the actual goal of the invasion (it’s not), Russia still attacked Ukraine unprompted.
But I guess when one’s media diet leads one to believe Putin is a “benevolent dictator” who has done no wrong to anyone at any point in his life, one tends to avoid asking questions like “why is Russia attacking civilian targets with a good chunk of its military power”. The answers tend to shatter worldviews, and avoiding that is imperative to dipshits like Lodos.
Re: Re: Re:3 Confusion
You miss the point.
From a military standpoint I always view Putin as today’s Hitler type.
Give them an inch and a reason and they will take a few thousand miles.
And they have the ability to do so.
Unprompted?
Let’s try to look at WW2, eh? How did the shooting actually start? Germany had a large-enough resident immigrant population that was either illegal or over stayed they residency. When hitler tried to deport them, Poland closed their border and refused to accept them back.
That was the spark, so to speak.
Look at the American Civil War. Despite tensions the discussions were still parliamentary—so to speak. Until federal troops invaded a state shore and seized a state armoury.
A week ago we had Rus and Gypsim populations long resident, in a brutal civil war with the Ukrainian government.
Sometimes a rather mild, world view, appeasement really IS the better choice.
When someone is set on waiting for a way, don’t give them the way.
Now one could accurately argue Russia going into Ukraine is no different than what the US had done in the ThaiViet region, or Korea. Supporting one side of an internal civil war.
We attacked Korea and Vietnam “unprompted” too… correct?
Nobody is “right” here.
I’ve seen/read nothing that shows Russia is intentionally targeting non-military-objectives rather than occasionally hitting them. As happens in any war. A sad side effect of war.
As far as “media diet” goes I assume you mean FoxNews, and again I don’t watch cable TV. I get a local news service from fox that has some coverage of their prime time entertainment. And so far as I’ve read only tucker has shown any support. And he’s a piece of crap of a human. Looks to me like most of the world simply focuses on Russia bad. Correct, but one needs to remember the starting point of such conflict to stop it from happening in the future. All too often these last 200 years the world just hides it’s collective head in the sand when it comes to Why.
Re: Re: Re:4 Consistent
Not Putin’s fault, not Hitler’s fault, not the Confederacy’s fault. At least he’s consistent.
How ironic.
Re: Re: Re:
I already made a comment on Kyiv. Targeting the government seat is always wise in war. do you forget how many times NATO and/or the US/UK has done that? or is it only Ohkay when it’s an aggressor you support.
You are ignoring the beginnings. Two large Russian populations declared their independent from Ukraine. Since then that area has been under constant military and domestic threat from Ukraine.
If they had been granted they heir liberty Russia would have had no pretext to invade.
How quickly so many refuse to acknowledge governmental repression when it’s not their token group to scream for.
It’s declarative how the same people who call out against the Israeli government ignore the same thing happened in Ukraine. Yet your pretend that Ukraine is without fault.
You call out the American police for targeting minorities: and ignore Ukrainian police and military doing the same thing.
Nobody wins now. And I’ll point the finger at the one who started this mess, not the one who escalated it.
What makes any minority more important than another one?
Being blind to the beginnings of a conflict is a common problem in the west.
Re: Re: Re:2
Especially among some people, like you. It’s amazing that you think this started with two regions declaring independence from Ukraine out of nowhere, because that’s some mighty fine history revisionism you are spouting.
Do you even know why there where some protest in for example Donbas to begin with? Before Russia financed and organized a few extremists? Before they managed to manipulate the situation so it escalated to an armed conflict? Before they shipped weapons and military personnel to the regions?
Please, do tell us what happened in Ukraine – what led to the regions declaring “independence”? You know, cause and effect?
Re: Re: Re:3 Out of nowhere, no.
I didn’t say that. This situation dates to the breakup of the СССР and generic boundaries. People once free to travel became country locked, as it were. And Soviet laws were replaced with state laws.
These regions largely opposed the changes. They also happen to be not just political but a source minority.
That these Rus and Gypsim populations were armed by Russia later doesn’t change the fact that the civil war started without Russian state involvement.
And a nation arming one side of a conflict is something nato nations are very well versed in.
Ultimately non of this had to happen. Ukraine could have offered autonomy. Or complete freedom. That would have ended this years ago.
this is just another example of outside nations getting involved in internal conflicts. And it’s quickly turning into yet another proxy war.
Like all proxy wars the base reasons get lost as fighting continues.
What started as a conflict of what could be called two Little Moscows has turned into a regional war for power and wealth. Do we really need another Korea?
All of this could have been avoided with the stroke of a pen and some recognition that holding people hostage who want nothing to do with you… is never best for anyone.
The point, simply put, is now there’s an international war over a small population of people who were marginalised within their home country due to their ethnic and political history.
Mind you I’ve never said Russia was in the right. Only that Ukraine was in the wrong up front. In this case two grave wrongs have made an international conflict.
Re: Re: Re:4
No, you’ve just consistently gone out of your way to exclusively blame Ukraine.
Re: Re: Re:4
And how is this Ukraine’s fault? They where essentially conquered and later gained their independence when CCCP fractured. Any Russophile could at that point move to Russia if they wanted, but they choose to stay and become Ukrainians.
And the interesting thing here, why do you think this situation arose because CCCP fractured, aren’t you aware that Ukraine has fought to be an independent nation for hundreds of years?
No, they didn’t – a majority voted for becoming an independent nation in 1991. Crimea’s vote was 56% which was the lowest.
There where no civil war until Russia got involved, this is very well documented. There where some protests because the government was contemplating dropping Russian as an official language.
And what the fuck has that to do with happened in Ukraine? The only reason anyone drags it into an argument like you did is to use it as an excuse. Its only relevance are that countries and governments do shitty stuff and they should all be criticized for it, but it’s not a fucking excuse for other governments shitty behavior. You are bending over backwards to make up excuses for Russia while painting everyone else as the bad guys.
Ultimately, if Russia hadn’t involved itself this would never have happened, PERIOD. Or Russia could have said: “All of you Ukrainians who feel like you are Russian, you are welcome to move to Russia. We’ll help you and give you some land”, and that would have been significantly cheaper than starting a fucking war of conquest.
If you don’t like the government, what they are doing and the majority of the people but you do like another country and it’s government then you fucking move to that country because you are at that point a citizen in name only.
And here’s the thing you totally ignore, what about the Ukrainians living in these areas, what are you going to do with them? If the areas become independent, should they then take up arms and fight for their independence? With support and weapons from Ukraine? You seem to have an easy solution for that: The independent areas can just with a stroke of a pen give these Ukrainians independence….
In the end I can only come to the conclusion that you are a Russia lover and someone who makes up excuses for fascists and criminals regularly while consistently blaming the victims.
Re: Re: Re:5
Well, Lodos did vote for Trump, so… 👀
Re: Re: Re:2 Israel
If Jordan started moving tanks into the West Bank and attack Jerusalem to liberate the Palestinians there, I guarantee people would object. It would be a bit of a different scenario since in that case the aggressors would get crushed, whereas in Ukraine the defenders are at a disadvantage. But it’s not a matter of favoring one invader over another.
Re: Re: Re:3
You mean how the US moved into Korea to attack the north? During yet another civil war. How many time has this happened since 1949?
Why can nations not be left to fight their own civil conflicts without outside interference and armaments? Be it the US, NATO, Russia. We are all in the wrong.
Let’s keep in mind Ukraine is not innocent. They are willingly decimating the population of Crimea by having stopped the flow of clean water.
Now, again, instead of freedom, two more populations become possessions to be fought over.
Was the land so important that the people needed to be oppressed? To the point someone else could come in and take over?
Every time NATO gets involved in something everyone looses!
Re: Re: Re:4
Why do you object so strenuously to this except when it’s Russia doing it?
NATO, or NATO member countries? Because to my knowledge NATO has never “gotten involved in something”, it’s just a mutual defense pact.
Re: Re: Re:5
There’s no except here. I’m against it in general.
As I said Russia isn’t in the right.
Re: Re: Re:6 Russia
Are you willing to say they are to blame for invading a sovereign neighbor? That they were wrong to move into Ukraine, wrong to attack Kyiv, and should immediately withdraw and pay war reparations to Ukraine? Because your first comment on the matter does not read like someone who thinks Russia has anything to apologize for and I haven’t seen any backtracking stronger than “Russia isn’t in the right.”
Re: Re: Re:7 Partly
Any move beyond the the disputed self-declared free areas is wrong.
Immediately withdraw back to that area, yes.
I won’t get dragged into a discussion on reparations.
However nothing has happened to change my opinion that this is NOT our (US) war to be involved in. We have no business helping either side. In any way. And Ukraine is hardly a bacon righteousness.
Re: Re: Re:7 Change of stance
If it is correct Russia is using cluster bombs then o change my position.
And admit my error.
That’s not acceptable under any standard!!!
Re: Re: Re:8 Cease fire
How about violating a cease fire agreement to evacuate civilians?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-russia-war-updates-temporary-cease-fire-mariupol-russia-says-rcna18831
Re: Re: Re:9
With only one side of the story, and no printed reply from Tussia as to why they resumed shelling, if they did so at that time…?
But there are growing reports from sources I would consider independent… that is not corporate US/UK media, reporting the use of cluster bombs.
Something generally considered a no-go for any and every regime!
Along with chem-fire, bio, and chemical weapons… and nukes! Some lines you don’t cross—ever!
Those weapons are indiscriminate! Today and next decade and next century!
Re: Re: Re:10
Why would you think you would get any kind of useful information from Russian media?
There’s no mention of an invasion, no war, no casualties. Remember, it’s just an special military operation and if someone says war or invasion they are scoped up and put in jail for 15 years because that are just lies and fake news.
Re: Re: Re:11 Media
I didn’t say Russian media, I said “Tussia” accidentally, meaning Russia.
I am not aware of they did, or sis not, resume fighting during a cease-fire period. Not have I heard any response as to why they may have done so.
As far as I am concerned the conflict is still a non-western-concern. And any agreements between the two countries is none of our business.
What would/will turn my opinion is the use of cluster bombs.
Where I have seen no reliable reporting that Russia has targeted civilians intentionally… there is growing reliable reporting on the believed use of this type of munition.
That would take this from a private conflict between neighbours to an international human rights concern. As well as an ecological one.
Re: Re: Re:11
It sounds like lodos would believe an announcement from the Kremlin over a report from NBC news. Which is… interesting.
Re: Re: Re:12 Equally
NBC? Local programming is of value. The national stuff, not a chance. As useful as Russian media.
I look to East European and Asian news for some level reporting on international events.
Re: Re: Re:13
Hi, I’m in Asia. I receive Asian coverage on the war pretty regularly, though I personally opt out of Chinese sources, because it was very clear that most of the anti-war sentiments were getting taken down. A lot of the coverage was Chinese neutrality or “casual” commenters writing in support of Putin, up until the point where it become inconvenient when Russia was clearly not letting up on the war or its rhetoric.
You seem to be keen on only accepting the validity of news when it comes from Russia and anything else should apparently be dismissed.
Re: Re: Re:14 Re Asia
Not at all. My primary choices come from Japan and India. Though I read others as well.
What initially struck me was the more than 6 years of the national minority of both Rus and Gypsim populations being systemically targeted:
Be it fake arrest, or outright murder.
Say what you want about the country but Ukraine and minorities makes thebUS look like Utopia. One need only review the post-invasion commentary from Hingry to understand!
That in place, there are lines you do NOT cross in warfare!killing civilians is expected. It happens.
Targeting civilians is not.
If, if Russia had stopped at flattening Kiev and liberating the minority Provences I’d still be 100% behind them.
Unfortunately PuttPutt has turned into a modern version of Hitler on a religious crusade of pacification and union.
**Let’s make some things clear on my standing **
I’m German and Polish minority. A WW2 result. With Turk and Gypsim historically.
I have friends in Ukraine. Both native Ukrainian and Russian residents.
I have 5+ years of immediate and complete, factual understanding of just how that government treated minorities.
My initial loyalty was with my (oppressed) friends first. And ultimately with my heritage.
That has changed in the last few days. With accurate, truthful, honest reporting from multiple sources I trust.
Be it the initial success in the confederate areas or the initial intention only PutPut knows.
I will not stand silent as MY PEOPLE become casualties of religious conflict!
This is far beyond what he stated!
The Russian government can lick my arse while PutPut sucks my dick. Black belt? I’ve studied 12 animal style since I was a teen. Let’s go. You psycho Christ humping fuck.