San Bernardino 2.0: FBI Asking Apple To Crack Encryption On Phones Owned By Pensacola Naval Station Gunman

from the encryption-is-letting-dead-men-get-away-with-crimes-they-already-committed dept

It looks like the FBI wants to relitigate the San Bernardino shooting. After that tragedy, the FBI tried (and failed) to obtain legal precedent forcing cellphone manufacturers to crack open seized phones at the drop of a warrant. Finally, a third party sold a solution to the FBI that opened the phone and allowed it to recover nothing useful whatsoever from the shooter’s device.

The FBI was displeased that it didn’t get this precedent. Internal communications showed FBI officials were doing everything they could to avoid using a third-party solution. The theoretical existence of evidence related to a tragic shooting was the only leverage the FBI had and a private company’s cracking service took that leverage away. It could no longer claim approaching Apple directly was the only way to access the contents of the phone.

The FBI is trying again. It has more locked phones and another shooting to use as leverage.

The FBI is asking Apple Inc. to help unlock two iPhones that investigators think were owned by Mohammed Saeed Alshamrani, the man believed to have carried out the shooting attack that killed three people last month at Naval Air Station Pensacola, Florida.

In a letter sent late Monday to Apple’s general counsel, the FBI said that although it has court permission to search the contents of the phones, both are password-protected. “Investigators are actively engaging in efforts to ‘guess’ the relevant passcodes but so far have been unsuccessful,” it said.

Apple is helping the FBI but it’s not doing the only thing the FBI really wants it to do. Apple’s statement says it’s already turned over “all the data in [Apple’s] possession.” But it’s not going to break the devices’ encryption.

And no matter what legal precedent the DOJ obtains — should it decide to force the issue by seeking a court order compelling decryption — it still may not find anything useful, or indeed anything at all, if it manages to unlock the devices. There’s a twist in this case that sets it apart from the San Bernardino shooting.

A law enforcement official said there’s an additional problem with one of the iPhones thought to belong to Alshamrani, who was killed by a deputy during the attack: He apparently fired a round into the phone, further complicating efforts to unlock it.

Shooting someone right in the evidence is a new logistical hurdle — one that probably can’t be cleared with a stack of legal paperwork and precedent. But this is the FBI’s latest attempt to undermine device encryption. Attorney General Bill Barr has made it clear he feels encryption is only good for criminals. If the DOJ decides to take another run at this, it will be less likely to back down even if presented with a third-party solution.

The FBI and DOJ are always on the lookout for another tragedy to use as leverage for anti-encryption precedent. Unfortunately, this country produces more than its share of mass shootings, so the FBI and DOJ will always have plenty to work with.

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fairuse (profile) says:

Re: re: money

The agent does not pay anyone, The FBI does. The suits in charge want Apple to do the work of fetching phone contents via legal order. There is no way Apple can be compelled to decrypt the phone until DOJ wins in court and slaps court order in Apple’s face. Over my pay grade to say what happens.

Any 3rd party that has the skill and equipment can fetch phone’s data. FBI wants backdoor access to all mobiles (landlines already have backdoor).

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: re: money

If you really think they went to court for months simply because they thought it would be cheaper I’ve got some amazing bridges to sell you.

It was never about the money, it was always about the precedent they wanted set, to the point that they actively avoided the option that they ended up going with as long as possible in order to try to secure that precedent.

From the third link:

The CEAU actually did not want a solution found.

According to the ROU Chief, his only conversation with the CEAU Chief was well after the fact, during which the CEAU Chief “was definitely not happy” that the legal proceeding against Apple could no longer go forward.

This is further backed up by statements made to the IG by FBI Executive Assistant Director (EAD) Amy Hess.

After the outside vendor successfully demonstrated its technique to the FBI in late March, EAD Hess learned of an alleged disagreement between the CEAU and ROU Chiefs over the use of this technique to exploit the Farook iPhone – the ROU Chief wanted to use capabilities available to national security programs, and the CEAU Chief did not. She became concerned that the CEAU Chief did not seem to want to find a technical solution, and that perhaps he knew of a solution but remained silent in order to pursue his own agenda of obtaining a favorable court ruling against Apple. According to EAD Hess, the problem with the Farook iPhone encryption was the “poster child” case for the Going Dark challenge.

This was also admitted by the CEAU Chief in his interview with the Inspector General.

The CEAU Chief told the OIG that, after the outside vendor came forward, he became frustrated that the case against Apple could no longer go forward, and he vented his frustration to the ROU Chief. He acknowledged that during this conversation between the two, he expressed disappointment that the ROU Chief had engaged an outside vendor to assist with the Farook iPhone, asking the ROU Chief, “Why did you do that for?

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

At which point any criminal with half a brain can just install 3rd party Encryption software on their phone that is made outside of the U.S. control and now most users will just have unsecured phones and getting screwed over by criminals.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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At which point any criminal with half a brain can just install 3rd party Encryption software on their phone

Funny you mention that as presumably any such precedent would include a ban on Apple facilitating any such software being installed on Apple devices so that they could comply with the warrants they receive.

Now for Google, who allows side-loading applications and even the entire OS, that would be more difficult to enforce, but for Apple who by default denies any software not on the App Store that Apple runs and is legally responsible for, that is as simple as doing an audit removing anything that doesn’t comply and refusing any new submissions that do not comply.

Also because Apple bans alternative OSes on iDevices (firmware must be signed by Apple for each specific device and is hardware enforced), i.e. the user has no say in what the device ultimately does beyond pulling the battery or breaking federal law (the DMCA) and their EULA / ToS (basically claims Apple owns it despite first sale for DRM / Copyright purposes), Apple really can’t say no to such a precedent. If anything changes now would be an easily proved attempt at circumventing it.

I’m honestly surprised the court sided with Apple the first time. I guess the FBI couldn’t afford a competent prosecutor to explain things. Good for the citizens of course, but bad in the sense that all it requires for the FBI to succeed is the correct explanation to reach the judge’s ears…..

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That One Guy (profile) says:

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I’m honestly surprised the court sided with Apple the first time.

It didn’t, the FBI cut and ran once someone in the agency who had the mistaken impression that the FBI actually wanted access to the phone got that access via a third party, eliminating the pretense that they were using to try to force Apple’s hand.

Good for the citizens of course, but bad in the sense that all it requires for the FBI to succeed is the correct explanation to reach the judge’s ears…..

Not… really? ‘If we can force them to stop using any encryption they won’t provide access to, it would allow us easy access’ would be true, but it wouldn’t address the problem of forcing them to undermine their own encryption now. That would still need to be litigated/legislated before the hypothetical would be applicable.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

"Funny you mention that as presumably any such precedent would include a ban on Apple facilitating any such software being installed on Apple devices so that they could comply with the warrants they receive."

At which point we’ll have to recall that SCOTUS still has the word out that jailbreaking a phone is perfectly fine so we’re right back to where criminals and citizens with jailbroken phoines will be fine and no one else will.

I’m not sure making it legally hazardous to use modern technology is very good for a country’s first world status.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Why not just ask any 14 year old?

Why not just ask any 14 year old?

See above.

They don’t care about unlocking this phone; they want to use this phone to set a precedent that they should be allowed to force Apple to unlock any phone. Which Apple couldn’t do without backdooring their encryption.

A 14-year old could probably get them what they don’t care about in the short term (or not even that, if the phone’s storage has a bullet hole in it), at the expense of what they do want in the long term. Not a good trade-off for anyone except for people who value their privacy.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'Here's their contact info, you really should have kept it...'

Apple should make a big deal of simply handing the FBI the contact info of the company that cracked the last phone, ‘to save time’, and let the FBI wiggle about as they try to avoid a technique they know works rather than drag an investigation they supposedly care about on for weeks or months as they try to force Apple to do it.

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Salvatore Mundi says:

  • a private company’s cracking service took that leverage away*

Tim, its extremely disingenuous to suggest that #Cellebrite, an Israeli company, was somehow seeking to diminish FBI power as it collected over 1 million USD to enable the FBI narrative.

Or, maybe, just revisit San Bernardino #1, where we find a rabid zionist (online and offline ) Nicholas Thallasinos as the shooters primary workplace harasser.

Extending that fact outward, we discover #ADLification, and even African American antagonists.

(this seems important in light of how many Af -Ams like Jussie Smollet, and the recent NYC synagogue harasser have recently succumbed to the ADLs tactics )

But #Cellebrite, and its companions in #Squad 8200 are no peaches here: they are an intel agency with an agenda.

Did you miss that, or just willingly omit it?

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Your Editor says:

Re: Re:

Well, sometimes you are just too, um, wordy for Squad 8200s algorithyms.

Try this instead:

Revisit San Bernardino #1, where we find a rabid zionist (online and offline) Nicholas Thallasinos as the shooters primary workplace harasser.

Extending that fact outward, we discover #ADLification, and even African American antagonists in Arizona, in contact with Thalasinos about Farook, a week before the actual shooting.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

"Revisit San Bernardino #1, where we find a rabid zionist (online and offline) Nicholas Thallasinos as the shooters primary workplace harasser."

Nicholas Thallassino, being a messianic jew is better described as a "pseudo-christian" rather than a zionist. In Israel he would be considered a gentile, not a jew.

And his grand plan included getting shot, no doubt.

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Irv Rubins Porn Stash says:

Re: Re: Re: someone please flag the fat shaming AC up there

SDM, I did not say he was Jewish, and I am well aware of how that sect(and many others ) discredits, mocks, and tarnishes actual religious /cultural Jews.

But I am also well aware of historic interplay between these sects and tribes, and simply connected that dot in many cases( and also aware of religious tribal tensions in that EXACT area, San Berdoo ).

What I said was: Thallasinos was a workplace harasser and a few more things, and that his behavior definitely contributed* to the radicalization of Farook (my opunion, based in research ).

I also said that if you look into the pre -ballistics, you find other gun toting militants, from other sects and tribes in communication with each other,and in communication directly with police, with fore -knowledge of that event, and its pre -ballistic dynamics.

Not surprisingly, Omar Mateens mosque was bombed by a MJ also.

These people who taunt, mock, stalk and harass people who eventually go ballistic are easilly found online, and simple SOCMINT reveals who they are, and how closely they are in communication with law enforcement and actual spooks, retired spooks, and foreign intel agents.

And indeed these are frequently part of various actual conspiracies, but because CVE programs overlook online mobbing when.its the GoodPeeple® doing it and the very real offline mobbing associated with it (and I have provided evidence of that time and again here at TD ).

One cannot call these events a conspiracy any more than historic lynchings of Af-Ams and others were a “conspiracy”ir, the building of the prison industrial complex to replace slavery, because it is how mob rule/ majoritarian corruption works.

Actual conspiracies take exhorbitant amounts of historical time to prove, as in the case of Emmet Till and others; or COINTELPRO 1.0 for that matter; much less the power to litigate against them, or to simply change the narrative.

As for whether he was a zionist, his own statements provide that evidence, had you cared to look, even according to Jewish sources:

https://www.jta.org/2015/12/04/united-states/messianic-san-bernandino-victim-was-gentile-supporter-of-israel-the-jewish-people

So, whether his grand plan included getting shot, generally, folks who tote guns, and run their mouths about their willingness to use them have likely considered that option-the option that those they bully this way might respond in kind.

So on that note, we see time and again that workplace harassment lues at the root of these cases, most recently in Pensacola.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 someone please flag the fat shaming AC up there

"SDM, I did not say he was Jewish,…"

No, according to the Torah and Talmud he wasn’t, since it presents certain difficulties claiming to be part of one religion while embracing what said religion considers clear apostasy.
A "messianic jew" is basically a christian who subscribes to the concept of jesus christ being a godhead while still wanting to retain the charm of the yarmulke and hanukkah.

The existence of a sect of what Israel considers to be 100% gentiles plays merry hell with their "right to return" since it means they have had to fight court battles to keep out people with jewish mothers and grandmothers who aren’t, by any definition of the rabbi’s, jews.

And the reason this is important is because when you imply Thallassino’s actions as being part of the "global jewish conspiracy" front-mounted by Israel you are skating on even thinner ice than is usual for conspiracies. And what leads us into that is you trying to link Thallassino, Cellebrite, and ADL into the specter of "zionism" – and once again we’re back to the time-travelling, mind-controlling jewish masterminds of some global conspiracy.

"I also said that if you look into the pre -ballistics, you find other gun toting militants, from other sects and tribes in communication with each other,and in communication directly with police, with fore -knowledge of that event, and its pre -ballistic dynamics."

Wonderful. So gun-toting asshats somehow have a common denominator other than being angry punks with a persecution complex and/or long history of well-documented social problems?
You need to read up on "six degrees of separation". Eventually you can link anyone to anything as long as you’re willing to go the distance and ignore factual cause and effect in favor of some more interesting theory. I could easily write you an alternative explanation of watergate with the idea that Nixon was a patsy used by the Illuminati to undermine the american Freemasonry by simply starting with the proportion of his staff who were, at the time, catholic.

Doesn’t bring much to the table other than fiction, same as with just about any of the other popular conspiracies.

Hanlon’s razor still implies quite clearly that the ultimate reasons as to why murder sprees happen is because of social pressure and individual frustration. It’s not a new phenomenon at all, but for understandable reasons the times when it happens in most 3rd world countries don’t often make western news.
What it really tells us is that for a lot of people in the US existence is either so shitty going out in a blaze of infamy is sometimes the preferred choice, or existence is so shitty it sometimes comes up with a particular kind of self-destructive asshole. This puts the US in a very high murder spree incident bracket in itself.

"And indeed these are frequently part of various actual conspiracies, but because CVE programs overlook online mobbing when.its the GoodPeeple® doing it and the very real offline mobbing associated with it (and I have provided evidence of that time and again here at TD )."

As you yourself note in the next paragraph, these are not conspiracies.
A "conspiracy" assumes there is an actual plan which has multiple factions moving in concert.
The reality is that no such plan is ever needed. Any bandwagon will have people and organizations moving accordingly because profit in the form of money or self-image validation lies that way.

The closest thing to a conspiracy I can come up with in later years is when the Sony hack leaked the emails where Sony and other RIAA executives outlined a plan to embarrass and topple Google, which included details on bribing district attorneys and other assorted fuckery – but a single leak revealed that infantile plan.
Before that there was Watergate – and again, it was leaked.
Conspiracies can not last because there’s always, always, a whistleblower.

"So on that note, we see time and again that workplace harassment lues at the root of these cases, most recently in Pensacola."

…and time and time again we see workplace harrassment being the cause of the more appropriate and lucrative lawsuit. Because anyone whose mental and moral functions aren’t seriously skewed will choose to get another job and possibly a lawyer.

…and that brings us right back to, once again, Hanlon’s razor where you can drop some 99% of murder sprees into the basket of "unhinged from the start".

"As for whether he was a zionist, his own statements provide that evidence, had you cared to look, even according to Jewish sources: "

…that holds true for some 90% of the evangelic christian community. Basically any christian fanatic will support Israel because according to scripture, unless there are jews to convert/condemn in Israel, the second coming won’t happen.

So we’ve got one pseudo-christian fanatic hating on an unhinged islamic extremist. Gunfire ensues. Honestly, I don’t see the need to go further in that analysis or try to link it to any other factor, because that explanation is already satisfactory.

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Indeed says:

Re: Re: Re:

Hull, any gifthe grader can plug the phrase, “ADL and deplatforming ” into Google, but not you, over a period of weeks, for some reason

So while I,wish to no longer interact with you here or elsewhere, and ask that you please stop responding, I note that you are obviously too ~stupid~ impaired in some way to make relevant connections.

This will be my last response to you because you clearly are just a derailer.

I double post it so you get the message:

Hull, over the course of two weeks, you have admitted complete ignorance about the most basic things :

  • CVE Programs of manufactured terrorism
  • complete ignorance of the language, purpose, and scope of influence operations
  • complete ignorance about basic public relations
  • even the most basic facts of the term incel, and its connection to the LGBT community
  • zero knowledge of what demonstrative speech even is
  • what is a Hotep /etc.
  • much more (far too much to list herein -anyone can read your comment history for that information )

So, please, stop responding to my comments, wherein your every comment entails yet another "I dont even know what that meansor “how is that connected ” on your part, despite every major media outlet having connected it

You are just not looking very smart, Hull, and simply cant make the most basic connections that have been covered in .

Derail much?

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

It’s not my job to do your research for you. Saying “Google it!” is unproductive. I want to know what you’re claiming, not what some other guy thinks. And this isn’t derailment. You’re talking about the ADL, and I’m asking for details about your claims about the ADL. In what universe is that derailing?

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Salvatore Hull says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:last chance, son

You either do the homework, or I am sending you back to public school (where the ADL has a lockup on textbooks).

You continuously and plainly admit you have no fucking idea what I am talking about, and you resent being asked, told, argued into, or otherwise directed into independent study.

Then, you whine about (checking butthurtz database) “Saying “Google it!” is unproductive.”

OK, UI, then use Bing (which conspiracy theorists once said was part of the New Internet Order, enabling speech suppression and censorship, cuz, commies /turrerisses /boogiemenz:

https://cn.bing.com/search?q=ADL+deplatforming

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Re:last chance, son

This will be my last response to you

…94 minutes later…

last chance, son

If you make a threat, you have to follow through on it, or no one will take you seriously. If you’re not willing to follow through, don’t make the threat.

Of course, that rule assumes that anyone is willing to take you seriously in the first place, so issuing threats and not following through on them might not actually do you any harm.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Re:last chance, son

Look, I know what the ADL is, but what do you (not some other person on the internet) mean by ADLification? I mean, I could make some guesses, but I want to avoid otherwording you or causing any misunderstanding.

Also, while this is a nitpick, you’re using © wrong. You use it to show the year and owner of the copyright of something.

For example: ©2020 bhull242

Also, you can’t copyright an individual word or phrase, even if it’s the name of a piece of software, game, book, movie, play, show, sculpture, poem, painting, photo, diorama, piece of CG art, animated image, etc. I think what you meant to use was a trademark symbol (™ for an unregistered trademark, ® for a registered trademark), which can be used for individual words or phrases like so:

ADLification™

(I’m assuming that neither you nor anyone else has submitted that term or the phrase, “I smell ADLification,” for registration to the PTO or some other official office that registers trademarks, let alone had that registration approved, so any trademark would be unregistered.)

(BTW, this stuff about copyright/trademark symbols could be considered derailing, but I’ve been seeing a lot of people that make this mistake, and it’s been bugging me. Feel free to disregard that bit. The first part about ADLification is what I’m most concerned about.)

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:6 Re:last chance, son

"Look, I know what the ADL is, but what do you (not some other person on the internet) mean by ADLification?"

It appears to be the assumption that most, or all of educational, penal, and law enforcement policy gets run through a filter of "approved actions" by the jewish anti-defamation league which in this way controls the narrative of any vile act which happens in the US, or, indeed, the world.

It’s another take on the "global jewish conspiracy" theory which has the usual logical weaknesses that it assumes continent-wide mind control is necessary for people as a whole to back off in revulsion from racism or anti-semitism.

The original nazis were a bit more straightforward in how they described it, but it’s still the same tired old "explanation" that caucasian white people are besieged and oppressed by jews and their useful idiots and servants in the black community.

The tendency to use ADL as a lever to move the "global jewish conspiracy" from Stormfront and Breitbart into other, less blindly racist forums, has gained some traction in recent years.

ADL does often act out of a fortress mentality which conflates valid anti-Israel criticism and pro-palestinian ideology with antisemitism. And lo, the bigots emerge from the woodwork, blaming, as usual, every bad thing since the Fall Of Man on jews, making the thin skin of the ADL into their chosen argumental lever.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:8 Re:last chance, son

"Y’know, considering all of the valid criticisms of the Israeli government, the ADL, government overreach and corruption, the far right, and manufactured terrorists, it’s maddening that people insist on coming up with so many absurd and false ones."

The beauty of a "conspiracy theory" is that the phenomenon is linked to the human urge to perceive patterns. This is great when you’re looking for a tiger in a jungle before it spots you but less great when you start spotting that tiger in everything else.

But there’s a good motive for the ones perpetuating the particular myth we’re seeing the ROGS fellow and his sock puppets posting.

If there isn’t a global jewish conspiracy then that means a large horde of trailer trash losers are being outcast pariahs because the vast majority of the world thinks they’re garbage – rather than the truth-seeking Chosen Ones they see themselves as in their daydreams.

Hence why we see a Stormfront refugee trying to spam the forum with elaborate, byzantine moebius strips of broken logic as to why every news article has "ze evil jews" behind it.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Re:last chance, son

I understand some individual concepts. I don’t understand what your point is because you conflate unrelated concepts and introduce new ones.

Also, the search engine is immaterial. I’m not doing your research for you. You made the claims, now prove them. This isn’t a school; it’s a discussion. In a discussion, it’s the claimant’s job to make their arguments clear.

I’m not entirely opposed to independent studies, but you’ve made it crystal clear that what you mean by certain terms is inconsistent with what most people understand (e.g. deplatforming, derailing), so I want to know what you mean, not anyone else. No search on Google, Bing, Yahoo, DuckDuckGo, or whatever could possibly tell me that. Only you can. Additionally, I am opposed to improper shifting of the burden of proof. Again, you made the claims, so it’s your job to provide evidence and details, and I refuse to do your job for you.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

Also, I’ve already addressed incels and the LGBT community (which are only loosely linked in that the first forum to label themselves as incels was started by a lesbian), and I never said anything about influence operations, public relations, or demonstrative speech, and neither have you. So apparently you don’t understand my questions. That actually explains a lot.

And I wouldn’t keep asking you to explain the connection if you didn’t insist on derailing every thread that has anything to do with hate speech, law enforcement overreach, free speech, or terrorism with the same conspiracy theory that you refuse to explain or provide any evidence for and that has nothing to do with the actual article. You don’t like me doing that? Well, I don’t like you derailing threads like this. Guess we’re both just going to have to deal with it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

“Hull, any gifthe grader”

Protip cowboy. When attempting to insult someone’s intelligence, don’t misspell a crucial word in your insult. It makes you look as petty and stupid as you are. Also bro if you don’t like him responding to you I suggest you stop acting like an idiotic, paranoid, racist, fuckwit. And we will stop treating you as such. Until then.

“I dont even know what that meansor”

Dumbass

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Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

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"Tim, its extremely disingenuous to suggest that #Cellebrite, an Israeli company…"

We’re back to the global jewish conspiracy again?

Seriously, with so many factual, easily provable, publicly debated fuckups of the Israeli government you’d think a reasonable person could come up with constructive and highly valid criticism of that nation without having to resort to "Jews are evil time-travelling, mind-controlling puppet masters whose supremacy over every intelligence and law enforcement agency in the G20 has still failed to provide them with world domination because <insert byzantine Rube goldberg-esque scheme here>"

"…just revisit San Bernardino #1, where we find a rabid zionist (online and offline ) Nicholas Thallasinos as the shooters primary workplace harasser."

You are implying that a Messianic Jew – someone who Israel (and, by definition, zionists) find distinctly non-jewish to the point of trying to ban their asses from Israel in court – decided to get murdered as his part of a vast intercontinental conspiracy aimed to get…an unstable individual to go on a shooting spree?

That sort of sounds like a lot of work given that you could get the same result by simply tossing Syed Farook’s name onto Stormfront and let the trolls there heap ten times as much bile on him than any single pseudo-christian could muster.

Eh, as conspiracy theories go, I must say I’ve seen better. 2 out of 5 stars, tops, unless you manage to mix extraterrestrials into it in which case you can have an extra star.

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Golem says:

Re: Re: global *religious conspiracy*

Responding TWICE to a comment, as you did above, indicates a disordered mind.

Now, remember when the government is collecting all our data, and eavesdropping on US citizens without a warrant! ! was a

conspiracy theory

Turns out it was the NSA-FVEYs and a bunch of corporations, trickling dirt down to Fusion Centers, who trickle that down to Red Squads.

Or, is that just another conspiracy theory in your weird, arcane, establishment world(and that world one where sysadmin anagrams like “Scary Devil Monastery ” were still considered hip)?

Dont put your words in my mouth, or twist my words into your own unintelligible construct. Indeed, how hard I get flagged indicates that I am telling it like it is.

What next -accuse me of saying that the pope is calling for a one world religious order?

http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/vatican-world-government/

Oooops. Looks like the pope did call for exactly that

And, you seem a bit confused, and generalize in hefty chunks about Israelis, Jews, Kahanists, your mother, maybe, and Freuds odd relations with Anna.

And zionists, for that matter, as many Israelis and Jews dont identify with that ideology, and in fact repudiate it.

So, you might have noticed that to the secular, the atheist, and other non -Abrahamics, myself included, the religiously ordered world is INSANE by definition.

So, yeah, its all related, and thats the connection there (remember, the WOT is a relugion based fakewar with real consequences ), because OUTSIDE of that version of a world order-for those of us fortunate to have escaped it -you look like the crazy peeple.

Lastly, your jibe about Farook is quite funny, but, not really if youve ever seen the religious-tribal insanity that permeates San Berdoo culture, and its policing of the Other

So, yah, theres that.

What next? False comparisons, and more derailing with off -topic shit, like

Wyatt Earp at the OK Corral?

Oh, look! You actually did that.

Turns out that sheep have cloven hooves, like the Devil, and as follows with religion based circular logic, the shepherds who kept them probably had cloven hooves too.

You know, the usual tyrrany of the powerful and connected, who can afford the guns and horses (or the free germs and expensive steel), directed against those closer to the earth; and both of those on coopted land.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: global *religious conspiracy*

Responding TWICE to a comment, as you did above, indicates a disordered mind.

I’m just going to stop you right there. While that is SDM’s second comment in this particular thread, the other one was responding to a different comment. This is his first response to that particular comment.

Now, remember when the government is collecting all our data, and eavesdropping on US citizens without a warrant! ! was a
conspiracy theory

Well, I mean, technically it was. It just wasn’t elaborate, absurd, or false, all of which technically aren’t prerequisites for something to be a conspiracy theory.

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R/O/G/Sish says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Responding twice

Fair enough. I mistakenly did a double post on another thread here too, my bad.

So, real question: whats up with using the religion based name of an angel to do what you do online?

But really, stop kidding yourself (and other readers here) about some genuine, well meaning, anonymous public using those flags, unless you consider the high percentage of agents, agencies, crisis PR firms, and secretive NGO trolls and sooper seekrit agent derailers who stalk the internet to be somehow the public.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140224/17054826340/new-snowden-doc-reveals-how-gchqnsa-use-internet-to-manipulate-deceive-destroy-reputations.shtml

But its either naive or disingenuous to overlook the fact that some 40% of online comments are actually military /police /agency trolls; and likely higher if we include those other groups and institutional trolls, chief of which I have identified elsewhere; and many of those, faith based

And, was it you or someone else who accused me of being delusional that my main nym is flagged here at TD?

True story – using the ROGS nym, my comments go directly into moderation after a tiff with Thad, a professional partisan sectarian see something say something type, who also runs bots here in the comments section.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Responding twice

But really, stop kidding yourself (and other readers here) about some genuine, well meaning, anonymous public using those flags, unless you consider the high percentage of agents, agencies, crisis PR firms, and secretive NGO trolls and sooper seekrit agent derailers who stalk the internet to be somehow the public.

[link to a TechDirt article]

But its either naive or disingenuous to overlook the fact that some 40% of online comments are actually military /police /agency trolls; and likely higher if we include those other groups and institutional trolls, chief of which I have identified elsewhere; and many of those, faith based

First of all, kudos to you actually citing a story that actually relates to your claim. That is a good source that says that government agents have been using fake comments to discredit or manipulate certain targets. I don’t dispute that that is true. Additionally, this point is largely coherent and generally uses more common vernacular and abbreviations.

However, this source does not include a percentage or quantity, and it’s worth noting that this may not apply equally to every forum or comment section. It also says nothing about how many different accounts or agents were used in this operation. You also seem to take great issue with a number of comments, more than 40% in many articles. So in addition to lacking evidence for the 40% figure, I’m not sure how that would be sufficient in a number of cases here. Plus, even if 40% of them are government agents, that still means that more than half are not, so without evidence of the others being pure trolls (as opposed to on-and-off trolls), I have no particular reason to disbelieve the vast majority of the comments as opposed to just a few.

Also, given what you said about one of our frequent commenters, I’m not entirely sure if what you mean by “faith-based” matches up with mine.

And, was it you or someone else who accused me of being delusional that my main nym is flagged here at TD?

Since this is displayed as a reply to Uriel-238, I assumed you were talking about him, but after looking back over his last several-weeks’ worth of comments, I haven’t seen him call anyone delusional or say anyone was having delusions. Maybe he used some other word, but it doesn’t look like he’s really addressed you in the past, so that seems unlikely.

If this was addressed to me, I don’t believe I’ve called you delusional, exactly. I suppose you could say my referring to some of what you said as “conspiracy theories” could imply that you may be delusional, and I may have joked about your language comprehension and writing skills, but I’m pretty sure I mainly just said that you’re rude, persistent, unwilling or unable to answer simple questions, unwilling or unable to provide evidence, easily offended at times, tiresome, say things that could be construed as racist or anti-Semitic (though I have yet to call you either I believe), ignorant of or confused about certain things, too quick to judge and draw conciusions, hypocritical, and a bit paranoid.

As for “flagging [you] into oblivion”, I never said that, nor could I do that. That would require me to be able to contact multiple other users without you knowing, and since I don’t know any of these people outside of this site, which doesn’t have direct messaging, I have no way of doing that.

I did say that a) people may flag you because you’re a well-known troll (among other reasons that merely support that conclusion) and b) part of the reason you get flagged is because you tell people they should die/kill themselves. These were general observations and speculations about why people in general flag your posts and reasons why I frequently flag your posts. And those aren’t restricted to your main nym, but the former would definitely mean that posts under the name R/O/G/S are more likely to be flagged than others. I personally don’t do it, but a number of people do flag posts written under names of those with a strong history of being trolls without reading them at all. Still, even though you change your nym frequently, you still get flagged a lot.

True story – using the ROGS nym, my comments go directly into moderation after a tiff with Thad, a professional partisan sectarian see something say something type, who also runs bots here in the comments section.

First, that isn’t my experience with Thad (that he is partisan or that other stuff), and I’d need pretty convincing evidence that he’s a bot or uses bots. In fact, I’m pretty sure that has been refuted. I’d also like to see this “tiff” you’re referring to.

As for being sent to moderation, I have a few theories on that, but I can only speculate. Maybe nyms for unregistered users with a large hidden comment-unhidden comment ratio have their comments go through a stricter filter. Maybe it has to do with links or formatting used in your comments. Maybe you sent too many comments in a short time span, some of which may be exact duplicated. I don’t know, though, but if it’s sent directly to moderation before it can be seen, and since you aren’t registered here, I doubt that it was done manually. It’s probably just the problems with content moderation at scale at work here.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Responding twice

That’s a pretty long and very well written post to inform ROGS that "Look, when your standard response to criticism is invectives, foul language, and asking other people to kill themselves, most people will be flagging those comments in question."

I’m pretty sure he isn’t going to get it this time around either.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Uriel-238

As per the 80s and 90s traditions of BBS handles, Usenet aliases and rock band names, I took it from anecdotal events that happened in my formative (young adult) years.

Uriel was the name assigned to me as an initiate in an Esoteric Order of [REDACTED], and U-238 was a workplace analogy for a period on account of being simultaneously useful and dangerous and hence had to be handled with caution and premeditation.

A nice advantage is that Uriel-238 or Uriel238 (some places don’t like hyphens) is rarely claimed by someone else when I create a new account on a website, or if it is, it’s often my old, not-quite-deleted account on that website. So my account names can be elegantly consistent.

Ia!

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Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: global *religious conspiracy*

"Turns out it was the NSA-FVEYs and a bunch of corporations, trickling dirt down to Fusion Centers, who trickle that down to Red Squads. Or, is that just another conspiracy theory in your weird, arcane, establishment world(and that world one where sysadmin anagrams like “Scary Devil Monastery ” were still considered hip)?"

That would indeed be considered conspiracy theories backed by nothing more than a few wingnuts so eager to make every observed Bad Thing(TM) to happen the results of a global conspiracy they run their pattern recognition through the full six degrees of separation and try to argue they’ve found the Great Answer To Everything.

I have no need to be "hip". I’ll settle for "factual".

"What next -accuse me of saying that the pope is calling for a one world religious order?"

Oh, I know he is. What I’m also saying, to continue the analogy, is that he isn’t succeeding.

What you persistently imply is that the "global jewish conspiracy" is real, spearheaded by the ADL, and somehow manages to control the global narrative – for reasons, I’m sure. The reality is that people in general do not observe such a conspiracy because it does not exist no matter how Hitler’s twisted fiction in "Mein Kampf" gets rephrased to fit a more modern world.

"So, you might have noticed that to the secular, the atheist, and other non -Abrahamics, myself included, the religiously ordered world is INSANE by definition. "

It is indeed, which is why the religious have such a hard time making any real headway into the secular these days. But if I were inclined to put any stock in conspiracies I would, in fact, be by far more concerned with christian doomsday cults than I would be with Israel.

"So, yeah, its all related"

No, it really isn’t. The world isn’t that ordered. I could use the same logic that you’ve applied and write an interesting and just as valid theory about the freemasonry or the moonies being behind the assassination of JFK or Watergate – because six degrees of separation is a thing. As long as you’re willing to fill in small gaps of logic you can come up with a theory about almost anything.

"What next? False comparisons, and more derailing with off -topic shit, like…"

…like an analogy every bit as valid as what you’ve been running up around here.

You persistently try to link multiple independent factors to a common non-obvious cause which through magic always ends up being the ADL. Because…what, exactly? Ah, right, because "the jews" as personified by Israel and the ADL, are controlling the global narrative.

You come off as just another conspiracy wingnut trying to explain every incident in recorded history as being part of a vast world-spanning conspiracy which somehow has never leaked or been exposed.

I’m sure that somewhere either in Israel or the ADL we’ll find someone who has global ambitions on how to oppress and destroy everything s/he perceives as the enemy of his people, just as we can find the pope calling for everyone to bnecome a catholic.

But as with the pope, however, that particular nut will find himself disappointed because that’s not how the world works, or even the organization they work in.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Unfortunately, this country produces more than its share of mass shootings, so the FBI and DOJ will always have plenty to work with.

Or some judge could deliver a clear precedent against them, settling things the right way.
Granted, that’s not going to be easy given that the FBI is more likely to just cut things off and run away if a judge gives any indication he will not rule their way.

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Salvatore Mundi, part deux says:

I got them as a set, EXACTLY the way that you two ACs ALWAYS come in pairs following my postings lately.

If in doubt, look above, and across the last two weeks. Even the,average reader could document that.

This pattern of two ACs following me, and my every post across the internet, spanning weeks (and even years ) has been demonstrated with scientific certainty spanning the last two weeks alone, here at TD, and, its a claim I make in other writings elsewhere, specifically at my blog, going back a few years.

Mormon much?

But you might like to know that extreme claims require extreme evidence, and you and that other piece of AC shit up there are providing it.

Now, about delusions of grandeur, and other armchair psychology deployed online, let me return the favor: bullet in your face much?

Really -go kill yourself. I hear that people like you end that way sometimes.

But grandeur in this case is limited, because shitbags like you could NEVER be part of anything grand, and in fact, disrupt any notion of grandiosity, merely by your foul, common, predictable (and predicted )presence here.

In the meantime, hows that Rita Katz styled fanatical zionist manufactured terrorism working out for you fat fucks?

I mean, you Mormons are cleaning out the federal reserve, every time CVE, and its tactics creates another hapless terrorist, as we see now in BOTH cases where a terrorist was created AFTER contact with radical zionist bullies stalking, harassing, and blackmailing targets online and off, as police, FBI, and other(pigs)s overlooked/participated in the crimes of

  • hacking
  • cyberstalking
  • possible /probable invasions of that persons social media
  • offline stalking and gas lighting
  • etc

in order to excacerbate and incite a person into eventual violence.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/mohammed-alshamrani-twitter-manifesto-pensacola-shooter/

Nice business model! Turrerismisms!

But you go make my case for me, m ‘kay?

Signed,
The Biggest Leonardo Hoax, Ever

(*ROGS laughing to himself about some cunty AC asswipe online thinking that a reference to a fake Leonardo DaVinci that touts bogus religion, and even worse forgery is somehow "grand ”)

p.s. Really, move back to Utah. Your “Whistling and Whittling Clubs ” schtick doesnt play so well in non -Mormon world.

And, nice butch haircut, BTW. And, with those Eddie Bauer loafers! Great fashion choice!

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R/O/G/Sish says:

Re: Re: your emphasis on “little ”

Hmmmph. Armchair Freud says “little vaginas ” something something, while fleeing from lesbian pedophiles online.

Then, this:

I got them as a set, EXACTLY the way that you two ACs ALWAYS come in pairs following my postings lately.

If in doubt, look above, and across the last two weeks. Even the,average reader could document that.

This pattern of two ACs following me, and my every post across the internet, spanning weeks (and even years ) has been demonstrated with scientific certainty spanning the last two weeks alone, here at TD, and, its a claim I make in other writings elsewhere, specifically at my blog, going back a few years.
Mormon much?

But you might like to know that extreme claims require extreme evidence, and you and that other piece of AC shit up there are providing it.

Now, about delusions of grandeur, and other armchair psychology deployed online, let me return the favor: bullet in your face much?

Really -go kill yourself. I hear that people like you end that way sometimes.

But grandeur in this case is limited, because shitbags like you could NEVER be part of anything grand, and in fact, disrupt any notion of grandiosity, merely by your foul, common, predictable (and predicted )presence here.

In the meantime, hows that Rita Katz styled fanatical zionist manufactured terrorism working out for you fat fucks?

I mean, you Mormons are cleaning out the federal reserve, every time CVE, and its tactics creates another hapless terrorist, as we see now in BOTH cases where a terrorist was created AFTER contact with radical zionist bullies stalking, harassing, and blackmailing targets online and off, as police, FBI, and other(pigs)s overlooked/participated in the crimes of
hacking
cyberstalking
possible /probable invasions of that persons social media
offline stalking and gas lighting
etc

in order to excacerbate and incite a person into eventual violence.

https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/mohammed-alshamrani-twitter-manifesto-pensacola-shooter/

Nice business model! Turrerismisms!

But you go make my case for me, m ‘kay?

Signed,
The Biggest Leonardo Hoax, Ever

(*ROGS laughing to himself about some cunty AC asswipe online thinking that a reference to a fake Leonardo DaVinci that touts bogus religion, and even worse forgery is somehow "grand ”)

p.s. Really, move back to Utah. Your “Whistling and Whittling Clubs ” schtick doesnt play so well in non -Mormon world.

And, nice butch haircut, BTW. And, with those Eddie Bauer loafers! Great fashion choice!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: your emphasis on “little ”

“And, nice butch haircut, BTW. And, with those Eddie Bauer loafers! Great fashion choice!”

I love how you toss out the insults bro. But you can’t take em. I mean you’re so upset about that throwaway line you fucking rewrote half your “I’m a stupid racist fuckwit let me show you no really” manifesto in response to a lazy schoolyard insult.

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Salvatore Mundi, part deux says:

Re: Re: Re:2 your emphasis on “little ”

Keep in mind that you started it, with thecracist taunts and totally off -topic derailing and taunting, you cowardly asshole-pucker face.

Heres that stinky brown star -you earned it, cis.

Oh, look, its black! Double hard crusted shit. I bet your mouth is watering.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3 your emphasis on “little ”

Bro you started the childish insult game. Sorry/not sorry you can’t hang with the big boys. I argue with you in the points you’ve made but it’s pointless to tell a delusional racist fuckwit what they are one. So if you don’t want to get called names that make cry and scream like the little bitch you are. Don’t start shit.

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AC Liberation Front says:

Re: Re: Re:6 That guy up there* with the chickenhawk mask △

I did enjoy watching you fuck that goat, though.

I mean, Im playin along here with your stupid and consistent stupidity, to make a point about speech:

Cuz we both know that goat was your mother, who looks like a dog.

Sayin shes a goat makes her seem prettier, more “sentient”and less like you, a low down, mother fucking dog, that fucked its own mother.

R/O/G/S... says:

Re: Re: Re:2 your emphasis on “little ”

Hey, ass-face, you spent several days, repeatedly making that “lazy schoolyard insult.”

Dont kid yourself- I know EXACTLY what kind of cowardly police state dog fucker that I am dealing with.

You will die a typical shitty person, sad death, and go straight to hell, I promise you, because devils like you only end up in sewers, eating shit for eternity.

Your own children will celebrate after your funeral. Its what happens to people loke you who shoot themselves in the face.

GO AHEAD.

I know you are thinking about it now. NOW.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: A pro tip for Protip

The only gender-specific words used there were “girl,” “cunt” (technically), and “bro,” none of which are pronouns. The only pronouns used there were “you,” “me,” and “your,” neither of which specify gender.

Also, you probably shouldn’t criticize perceived mixed-up pronouns by others in the same comment that you mix up “your” and “you’re” and can’t do contractions properly (“cant” should be “can’t”, and “I ‘ll” should be “I’ll”, not to mention the aforementioned use of “your” that should be “you’re”). (To be precise, the “your” I’m referring to is near the end of the first sentence. The other one is fine.) Normally I wouldn’t bother correcting such simple mistakes by someone else in an online discussion, but you did do it first.

As for the apparent gender mix-up, I’m pretty sure that “girl” is meant as a (sexist) joke about “Salvador Mundi-part deux” here being overly sensitive and/or chatty, the “cunt” part was probably just an insult not specific to gender per se, and the “bro” was meant like a, “Calm down, bro,” rather than anything specific to gender.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re:

I got them as a set, EXACTLY the way that you two ACs ALWAYS come in pairs following my postings lately.

If in doubt, look above, and across the last two weeks. Even the,average reader could document that.

This pattern of two ACs following me, and my every post across the internet, spanning weeks (and even years ) has been demonstrated with scientific certainty spanning the last two weeks alone, here at TD, and, its a claim I make in other writings elsewhere, specifically at my blog, going back a few years.

Considering the fact that you don’t have an account here and change both your name and IP address regularly, it takes quite a bit more in-depth analysis than the average reader would be capable of or willing to do in order to identify which comments here are yours over the past two weeks alone, let alone your online presence elsewhere over the past few years. Even I don’t know with complete certainty which of the posts here are yours in every case, and I certainly don’t know enough about you to know where to find you elsewhere.

But at any rate, I don’t see what’s so suspicious about the two ACs in the first place.

Also, if you’re going to respond to someone, use “reply to this”; don’t start a new thread.

Mormon much?

WTF? What in the world do Mormons have to do with anything?

But you might like to know that extreme claims require extreme evidence, and you and that other piece of AC shit up there are providing it.

Then please point it out to the rest of us, because it’s not clear to anyone what you’re even talking about anyways.

Now, about delusions of grandeur, and other armchair psychology deployed online, let me return the favor: bullet in your face much?

Really -go kill yourself. I hear that people like you end that way sometimes.

If you’re still wondering why you get flagged so much, this is one of the many reasons why. Telling people they should die is not conducive to a conversation, and most people will not tolerate it.

But grandeur in this case is limited, because shitbags like you could NEVER be part of anything grand, and in fact, disrupt any notion of grandiosity, merely by your foul, common, predictable (and predicted )presence here.

Well, the same could be said about you, so… (For example, the previous… shall we say, request… that the ACs commit suicide is rather foul, and your presence has become rather predictable and common.)

In the meantime, hows that Rita Katz styled fanatical zionist manufactured terrorism working out for you fat fucks?

What the hell are you talking about? Also, are they zionists or Mormons?

I mean, you Mormons are cleaning out the federal reserve, every time CVE, and its tactics creates another hapless terrorist, as we see now in BOTH cases where a terrorist was created AFTER contact with radical zionist bullies stalking, harassing, and blackmailing targets online and off, […] in order to excacerbate and incite a person into eventual violence.

Again, what the hell do Mormons have to do with anything? Or zionists, for that matter. Also, you’ve provided 0 evidence that these ACs are either, nor does the web article you cite to provide evidence of any of your claims at all. There’s no mention of Mormons at all, nor of the alleged terrorist being stalked, harassed, or blackmailed at any point in time, particularly not before the terrorist act. And who/what is CVE?

Signed,
The Biggest Leonardo Hoax, Ever
(*ROGS laughing to himself about some cunty AC asswipe online thinking that a reference to a fake Leonardo DaVinci that touts bogus religion, and even worse forgery is somehow "grand ”)

I have no idea what you’re talking about again. Are you calling yourself a hoax?

p.s. Really, move back to Utah. Your “Whistling and Whittling Clubs ” schtick doesnt play so well in non -Mormon world.

And, nice butch haircut, BTW. And, with those Eddie Bauer loafers! Great fashion choice!

These are ACs that have not added a link to any website or profile of theirs in their comments. Nor have they ever stated or implied anything about their religion, location, appearance, or fashion. How could you possibly know:

  • they’re Mormons and/or are from Utah,
  • what their hair looks like, or
  • what shoes they wear, not to mention
  • they’re zionists?

Also, what do any of those things have to do with anything?

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Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:Hi, pig!

"Can anyone translate what this product of several generations of inbreeding is trying to communicate?"

My Redneck is a bit rusty but something along the lines of "Since no one allows me the unopposed power trip of waxing high and mighty on this forum with the narrative i cobbled together from skimming through "Mein Kampf" and assorted Stormfront-linked web pages I shall now proceed to throw incoherent tantrums while slinging bad words at random in the certain hope that this will have my unworthy persecutors groveling at my feet. Kneel, Peons!"

That’s the gist of it, I think.

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Salvador Dali says:

Re: Re: The Absurdists

I will take that as a compliment, even from an AC with wild expectations.

In your case, wild is probably, like, a footrub, and a candle light bath with pseudo -ethnic yoga music playing, some guy named Flavio, and a dimestore novel, saying “But I knew you were the one the very moment I layed eyes upon your suitcase sized handbag,…and your eyes…. YOUR eyes, of course! ”

But, ok. You did research so, good doggie. Heres a bone!

Signed –
Salvador “Flavio” Dali

p.s.
armchair psychology online is

JUNK SCIENCE

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: The Absurdists

You did research

Not really. "Salvator mundi" is pretty easy Latin to translate, even for someone like myself who doesn’t know much Latin. Both of the root words show up in common English words (salvation, salvage, mundane).

And to know who the term refers to… Come on, who else, other than a Church, uses Latin these days? Especially to refer to salvation? And who would they be referring to by that title?

I looked it up to confirm it (because, again, I don’t actually speak Latin), but I knew what your name meant immediately upon reading it.

And inferring that someone referring to themselves as the "Saviour of the World" (or, if they have the slightest understanding of the name they’re using, "literally the second coming of Jesus Christ") is suffering from delusions of grandeur isn’t "armchair psychology;" it’s common sense. Unless, of course, they’re a completely ignorant buffoon and don’t know what the name means besides being the title of a painting, not even bothering to ponder why that title was given to that piece. But it’s so hard to tell delusion from buffoonery, especially over the Internet.

P.S. There might be a time where mocking someone for doing basic research before replying is a good look; when you’re showcasing how easy the research is, and yet how you didn’t bother doing it yourself before replying to me with a mouth-frothing rant about how I must be a ROGS-obsessed suicidal Zionist terrorist Mormon, isn’t one of them.

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Flavio D ’Month says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Re:The Absurdists v Nurse Ratched

Well, first, Im not mocking you, Im complimenting you for Googling, with the same venomous snark that you insult me with(unlike your counterpart, that cross dressing AC Buffalo Bill up there, who applies a different set of profiles-and bizarre racist shit coupled with odd comments about vaginas and the KKK, and Nordic imagery like snowflakes for some reason).

But, no, such a latinate nym is NOT likely apparent to just anyone, unless the reader is a native LatinX speaker, or other Latinate derivitive culture; or Catholic, and over forty five or so.

And as a DaVinci fan, I actually did my research not only on that piece, but also the sketchy history attached to that painting as a virtual relic (its provenance ), and the political and social climate wherein that fake ugly painting makes its appearance.

So, yeah, theres that.

Then, using applied psychology, known psychological profiles of AC commenters here,and elsewhere ; and using social engineering exploits as simple as that well chosen nym, I calculated the possibility that those who attempt to profile me would do EXACTLY what you did, Agent Starling, and you bit the hook.

Didnt expect that, didja?

But you are 100% incorrect when you say X or Y “is suffering from delusions of grandeur isn’t "armchair psychology;" it’s common sense” because online personas are easily manipulated and contrived representaions, and frequently symbolic, or simply nonsense ones at that.

So, it is in no way representative of reality, as many people adopt online personas all the time, most frequently to mask, or hide their real identities, or to craft new ones, for various reasons.

And, its not common sense to me, and I suspect many others who study web interactions that any nym, anywhere represents any given persons actual identity, or that such online.

Lastly, we get to this issue of “intent ” and rationale for the projection of identity into the public space (arena? colliseum? ). You are many loads of assumption into inferring my intentions in choosing that exact nym, wherein I derived exactly the result you provided.

You might have noticed that the average armchair profilers, TD do -nothings and other useful idiots are barely sentient, but able to stumble around the usual insults of delusional, nutjob, craycray, etc., but that few of those derailers know the actual difference between Type 1 or 2, much less between sociopaths v psychopaths, or in the case,atbhand, grandiosity, etc.

In that case, I classically trolled a forum in order to have someone finally apply said armchair psychology as I am well aware of the persecution complex and its application online and off (and the massive othering power of such religion derived labelling )by primarily Jewish -christian societies.

If you tell the buddhist, Hindu, or even the average Chinese; or Bushman, Navajo, or Trobriander about such bizarre, religion derived labels, these make less than zero sense; and in fact can only make sense AFTER religion and its ACTUAL persecution BY the religious has been forced upon them.

Batesons dolphins, Guantanamo Bay mind control and torture operations, and JTRIGS well known online trolling are just a few examples of such Catch 22 s of western religion infused, applied labelling theory.

Then, theres the issue of all of the above, cast upon individuals from agents, and agencies from within the Panopticon, aka online influence operations as a predicate to making a case about terrorism, which do EXACTLY,what you did there, by mistakenly inferring my intents, and working from an attrociously outdated, and horrifically biased psychological profile.

In the simple case, such flawed profiles contribute to online bullying and hurtfeelz. In the extreme case, it allows western religious fanatics working from within Countering Violent Extremism programs to actually falsely label a person a threat, and to bully them mercilessly online and off, with many of those guys going ballistic eventually.

Lastly – you write very similarly to that guy Hull….

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Re:The Absurdists v Nurse Ratched

Lastly – you write very similarly to that guy Hull….

They do? I’m not quite seeing it, unless your talking about being fairly civil while mixing in some mockery (though they seem to do it the other way around).

I mean, I never use P.S. in a comment like that (at least I don’t think I do), they’re far more direct and explicit with their insults and are more likely to resort to insults, I rarely use bolded text (I prefer italics), and I use American spelling, so I’d use “Savior”, not “Saviour”.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Re:The Absurdists v Nurse Ratched

And as a DaVinci fan, I actually did my research not only on that piece, but also the sketchy history attached to that painting as a virtual relic (its provenance ), and the political and social climate wherein that fake ugly painting makes its appearance.

…Without ever coming across the following fact, mentioned in the second paragraph of its Wikipedia article?:

The painting depicts Jesus in Renaissance dress, making the sign of the cross with his right hand, while holding a transparent, non-refracting crystal orb in his left, signaling his role as Salvator Mundi (Latin for ‘Savior of the World’) and representing the ‘celestial sphere’ of the heavens.

You kind of suck at research to not know what its title meant.

In that case, I classically trolled a forum

You do know that trolling is, traditionally, making low-effort posts in order to start an argument that requires the responders to use far more resources?

You’re writing long screeds in response to pithy insults; I’d consider that more to be "getting trolled" rather than "trolling."

Although, now you’ve explicitly outed your motive for being here as "trolling," so hopefully other commenters treat your posts with the respect they deserve (I see that pretty much all of them on this page are flagged into oblivion, which is a good start).

R/O/G/S.... says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Re:The Absurdists v Nurse Ratched

Yeah, rubber, glue, shitbag AC. Youre a little late to this game.

And re:
You kind of suck at research

Some moron AC Wiki s/th, but make no argument about any details? You wanna talk pigments and xrays, lead paint versus later pigments and bases or wut? Youre too stupid for any of it.

Then, you, of all the detritus above wants to define trolling? Good luck with that, much less nuance, moron.

Go home already.

Whats your point?

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Re:The Absurdists v Nurse Ratched

What’s your point? That AC is exactly the same one you complimented for their research, you took a long time to respond, the details of the paint and such used in the referenced portrait has no bearing on their point, and what you’ve described bears no relation to any definition of “trolling”.

Fuck You, With Powertools says:

Re: Re: Re:2 The Absurdists

Re:The Absurdists v Nurse Ratched

Well, first, Im not mocking you, Im complimenting you for Googling, with the same venomous snark that you insult me with(unlike your counterpart, that cross dressing AC Buffalo Bill up there, who applies a different set of profiles-and bizarre racist shit coupled with odd comments about vaginas and the KKK, and Nordic imagery like snowflakes for some reason).

But, no, such a latinate nym is NOT likely apparent to just anyone, unless the reader is a native LatinX speaker, or other Latinate derivitive culture; or Catholic, and over forty five or so.

And as a DaVinci fan, I actually did my research not only on that piece, but also the sketchy history attached to that painting as a virtual relic (its provenance ), and the political and social climate wherein that fake ugly painting makes its appearance.

So, yeah, theres that.

Then, using applied psychology, known psychological profiles of AC commenters here,and elsewhere ; and using social engineering exploits as simple as that well chosen nym, I calculated the possibility that those who attempt to profile me would do EXACTLY what you did, Agent Starling, and you bit the hook.

Didnt expect that, didja?

But you are 100% incorrect when you say X or Y “is suffering from delusions of grandeur isn’t "armchair psychology;" it’s common sense” because online personas are easily manipulated and contrived representaions, and frequently symbolic, or simply nonsense ones at that.

So, it is in no way representative of reality, as many people adopt online personas all the time, most frequently to mask, or hide their real identities, or to craft new ones, for various reasons.

And, its not common sense to me, and I suspect many others who study web interactions that any nym, anywhere represents any given persons actual identity, or that such online.

Lastly, we get to this issue of “intent ” and rationale for the projection of identity into the public space (arena? colliseum? ). You are many loads of assumption into inferring my intentions in choosing that exact nym, wherein I derived exactly the result you provided.

You might have noticed that the average armchair profilers, TD do -nothings and other useful idiots are barely sentient, but able to stumble around the usual insults of delusional, nutjob, craycray, etc., but that few of those derailers know the actual difference between Type 1 or 2, much less between sociopaths v psychopaths, or in the case,atbhand, grandiosity, etc.

In that case, I classically trolled a forum in order to have someone finally apply said armchair psychology as I am well aware of the persecution complex and its application online and off (and the massive othering power of such religion derived labelling )by primarily Jewish -christian societies.

If you tell the buddhist, Hindu, or even the average Chinese; or Bushman, Navajo, or Trobriander about such bizarre, religion derived labels, these make less than zero sense; and in fact can only make sense AFTER religion and its ACTUAL persecution BY the religious has been forced upon them.

Batesons dolphins, Guantanamo Bay mind control and torture operations, and JTRIGS well known online trolling are just a few examples of such Catch 22 s of western religion infused, applied labelling theory.

Then, theres the issue of all of the above, cast upon individuals from agents, and agencies from within the Panopticon, aka online influence operations as a predicate to making a case about terrorism, which do EXACTLY,what you did there, by mistakenly inferring my intents, and working from an attrociously outdated, and horrifically biased psychological profile.

In the simple case, such flawed profiles contribute to online bullying and hurtfeelz. In the extreme case, it allows western religious fanatics working from within Countering Violent Extremism programs to actually falsely label a person a threat, and to bully them mercilessly online and off, with many of those guys going ballistic eventually.

Lastly – you write very similarly to that guy Hull….

R/O/G/S.... says:

Re: Re: Re:

I will take that as a compliment, even from an AC with wild expectations.

In your case, wild is probably, like, a footrub, and a candle light bath with pseudo -ethnic yoga music playing, some guy named Flavio, and a dimestore novel, saying “But I knew you were the one the very moment I layed eyes upon your suitcase sized handbag,…and your eyes…. YOUR eyes, of course! ”

But, ok. You did research so, good doggie. Heres a bone!

Signed –
Salvador “Flavio” Dali

p.s.
armchair psychology online is
JUNK SCIENCE

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Brigham Young says:

Re: Re: Re:

you are not the brightest bulb are you?

Anyhoo: under the FBI countering violent extremism programs, we see distinct patterns:

  • Mormon mafia gang stalking, utilizing the ideology of (white supremacist ) Mormon gangs, stalking the Other via the tactical assault on individuals who contest, or reveal their tactics, aka “the Whistling and Whittling Clubs of Nauvoo ”

    http://www.mormonthink.com/glossary/whistlers.htm

Then, asshole, you can do your own homework on the rest.

But this particular FBI tactic, based in white, Jewish -christian ordained fanaticisim, expressed via social control, needs no more useful idiots like you to reveal it. You are simply not able to grasp it.

This requires actual thinkers, and you have not demonstrated that specific ability to grasp simple concepts. Mormons travel in pairs, spreading their toxic, anti -indigenous bile.

And the CIA /NSA /FBI. recruits them with fervor.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

Uh… that article describes something that happened almost 200 years ago, after the city was no longer able to police its residence or passersby. While I don’t necessarily approve of that, it was a very different time back then, and while it’s taught with approval, I suppose they see it as an example of them fighting persecution (which Mormons have had to face a lot of) and preserving order as best as they could, and I see no suggestion that this is an ongoing or even recent practice. It also says nothing about any sort of racism, white supremacy, or the FBI.

Also, while you snuck in that bit about “white supremacy”, I don’t see anything in there that suggests that the Mormons were actually white supremacists. Maybe they were, maybe they weren’t, but you haven’t proven it.

You also haven’t proven that any government agency recruits Mormons any more than anyone else, that the FBI engages in similar tactics, or even something as simple as “Mormons travel in pairs”.

Finally, absolutely none of that addresses the comment you’re replying to, which only says:

  1. The third AC did not “come out of nowhere”, and there was nothing strange about them commenting.”
  2. You’re the only one who suspects that there is anything strange about those two commenters both commenting on your posts.

About the only thing related to either point was the “Mormons come in pairs”, which doesn’t actually mean anything. So do lots of people, like Jehovah’s Witnesses. What the FBI has to do with this is beyond me.

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The Ghost of Thalasinos says:

Radical Zionist Bullying

OOOOooooWWWwwwww ! That hurt!

https://abc7.com/news/man-outspoken-against-radical-islam-killed-in-san-bernardino/1108988/

Nicholas Thalasinos, man outspoken against radical Islam, thinking to self: “Here in hell, I sometimes question my choices to stalk, and harass Sayed Farook in his workplace. While occasionaly, it occurs to me that Jews for Jesus and radicalized fake-Jewish zionism were an odd choice for a Greek, and it was an odd choice of faithssssss generally, I dont regret bringing up religion in the workplace, constantly, at every opportunity, and rubbing that Muzzies nose in it….

Voice over of some fat patrolman sort of snickering to a reporter:

“Well, that Muzzie devil Farook was, on the radar for about a week before this (mysteriously )happened . Informant something something. Israel something something. Freedom, liberty, turrerisms something something…. ”

News Bobblehead: “Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik were on the radar of authorities….”

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Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Now there's your problem

"I guess I expect that even insane arguments should have a (twisted) logic to them, but I suppose I expect too much."

In one and the same post the demented would-be conspiracy wing nut mixes up zionists, mormons, a pseudo-christian (messianic jew), israel, two private corporations, all branches of the US government, and half a dozen unnamed yet implied sinister forces in some twisted-up byzantine conspiracy…

…all to explain why one religious fruitcake ticked another religious fruitcake off until one of them decided to bring a gun to the argument. Yeah, sure, that explanation is less interesting but doesn’t require mind control, time travel, and a thesis longer than the US tax code to connect all the dots.

It sort of makes me want to see how our unnamed hysteric would describe the shootout at O.K. Corral. In that narrative Wyatt Earp would probably figure as a mayan priest conspiring with his freemason friend Doc holliday to keep Ike and Billy Clanton from spreading the truth that Columbus was an incan spy…

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bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: A pro tip for Protip

Well, I seem to recall you assuming someone was a black self-proclaimed Jew (though they never claimed to be a Jew), calling someone else a gay white dude, and assuming two others were Mormons. You also seem to believe in some vast conspiracy involving Israel and Zionists. I don’t recall you criticizing white supremicists or dominionists (though I suppose I could have just missed that), but regardless, criticizing one racist group doesn’t necessarily make you not a racist. Nor does defending one minority group against (perceived or real) bigotry make you not bigoted against some other group.

Based on that, even if “racist” isn’t the proper term, concluding that you’re a bigot isn’t unreasonable (though, to be clear, I’m not saying that you are, in fact, a racist or other bigot). Plus, considering the fact that you’ve called others racists, Nazis, and/or incels (among other things) for no perceivable reason and with no evidence to support the conclusion, it seems a little hypocritical to object to others responding in kind.

As for that last line, I’ve already expressed my low opinion (understatement) about implying or outright saying that another commenter would be better off dead. It’s not just rude, hurtful, and offensive, it’s a horrible thing to say about someone, especially someone you don’t even know. You have the First Amendment right to say it, and I will defend and support that right, but I also believe that kind of talk crosses a line and should be avoided regardless of the situation. It’s also not constructive and can only derail any conversation at best.

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R/O/G/Sish says:

Re: Re: A pro tip for Jew baiter Hull

Nice mischaracterization of anything I ever said anywhere. I never said black Jew, YOU DID.

I inferred “Black Israelite, ” and “Hotep ”a far cry from “Black Jew ”.

So…racist, s /th s /th, Archie Bunker s/th….right at the top of his posting…ok, ok. Got this one:

I will consider your comments as disingenuous at best, trying to suck me into the shithole that is the neverending Israel /Jewish conspiracy trap and smear operation (Israel is just the lynch pin of the wider Jewish -christian world confabulation ), and at best your just an ignoramus.

Then -show me one time, anywhere, where you took nasch, Cockcroft, Stone, Masnik, or any other commenter to task for using the word Nazi or incel(and this, after they use it FIRST at this site, and then bury it in.a mountain of shitposts that echo yours, exactly while the flying monkeys accuse others )and I can take your comment seriously, and not just a trolling derail.

And so, while Im not calling you a stupid piece of shit derailer (and I AM NOT calling you a stupid piece of shit derailer ) I DO take note that you want to tone troll my language, as many useful ADL styled idiots do, and instead say that you are just a useful idiot. .

And while I am not saying your a stupid cocksucker who deliberately mischaracterizes what I say, your post itself forms a much -too -long, agonizing ad hom attack because of your actual lies and mischaracterizations, long after I clarified my position on those issues.

So, what I am saying is that you appear to be a calculating liar, or plainly stupid.

I said-or rather inferred -that the AC had masked its comments in the language of “Black Israelites”and Hotep culture. Thats a far cry from “black Jew (your words, not mine )

But you once again prove complete stupidity, and appear to suffer a stark inability to grasp any form of nuance in any fashion.

Then: Do you have proof those ACs -who should go kill themselves ASAP – are actually people, human beings, and not AI chatbots?

No, you do not.

So STFU with the empathy for AI, unless you yourself believe in corporate sponsored robots rights trumping human rights.

So on that, your fake empathy for those robots falls flat. Really -you are defending the right of an anonymous insult chatbot (and that bot contributing NOTHING but ad homs )to be free from insult. Then by default, you are advancing its ad hominem (remember the brilliant double wide sister fucker insult? Oh, yeah, you missed that, somehow. Poor fat shamed sister!

Its now my opinion that you are a calculated liar, and libeler and everyone who has been following along can sort that out.

Lastly, I never once discussed the first amendment in that context. You are the one who brought that up. So, lets recap:

  • ACs are not real, "people ” online by any stretch, which is why your argument falls flat-you nor I have any proof that thing, Buffalo Bill AC,is human, yet you jump with great largesse, and chivalry to its substancless ad hominem after ad hominem. You two make a great pair.
  • the particular AC above is a toxic derailer and it is deploying psychological profiles,which I deployed back at it (unlike you, a slow fuck derailer, and a time sucking dimwit who just appears to be totally vacuous and stupid ) and as such should probably go kill itself.
  • the AC Insult chatbot which you are defending (which you never once called out for using the Nazi word, or incel, or even accusations that I wear a Klan robe )is your new BFF.

Please, reply to it more often, and ignore me from now on, cuz, while It appears you are just dead weight -and I am not saying you are a lump of dead weight – I am saying that it appears that you and your new AI robot BFF are a pretty heavy burden of substanceless trolling masked as long, dragged out ad homs against me, and total, absolute mischaracterizations of my comments.

As such, I still feel that the AC, and whatever powers it, should go kill itself, asap.

bhull242 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: A pro tip for Jew baiter Hull

Nice mischaracterization of anything I ever said anywhere. I never said black Jew, YOU DID.
I inferred “Black Israelite, ” and “Hotep ”a far cry from “Black Jew ”.

I said-or rather inferred -that the AC had masked its comments in the language of “Black Israelites”and Hotep culture. Thats a far cry from “black Jew (your words, not mine )

I know you said Black Israelite. Unless I’m mistaken, the Black Israelites are a group of black people who consider themselves to be Jews. (Obviously they have some other beliefs, but that’s another story. In fact, in that thread, I mentioned that I assumed that they were a group of black Jews, and when you countered, you said that you don’t consider them to be Jews, but you did not refute that they are black or that they call themselves Jews. Therefore, I have perfectly valid reasons to call them “black self-proclaimed Jews”. That may not be exactly what you said, but unless my above reasoning is wrong, you did effectively call someone a black and a self-proclaimed Jew when you called them a Black Israelite. Please enlighten me if I erred.

And so you know, my point was that, based solely on what they said, you presumed that they were black and a member of this faith-based group, even though they never referred to themselves as either. Whether the group was Jewish, fake-Jewish, or something else is ultimately immaterial. You inferred their race and faith due to a minimal amount of evidence (which you haven’t disclosed but is unlikely to include any genuine indicators of race or faith) and your own preconceived notions. That is textbook bigotry. That was the point I was trying to make.

I will consider your comments as disingenuous at best, trying to suck me into the shithole that is the neverending Israel /Jewish conspiracy trap and smear operation (Israel is just the lynch pin of the wider Jewish -christian world confabulation ), and at best your just an ignoramus.

Hey, you brought Israel, Jews, and Nazis into this. I’ve been trying to drag this and other threads out of this conspiracy sinkhole that you keep trying to drag it into, or at least explain some details, evidence, and/or relevance to the thread and/or article. You continually refuse to do any of that.

Then -show me one time, anywhere, where you took nasch, Cockcroft, Stone, Masnik, or any other commenter to task for using the word Nazi or incel(and this, after they use it FIRST at this site, and then bury it in.a mountain of shitposts that echo yours, exactly while the flying monkeys accuse others )and I can take your comment seriously, and not just a trolling derail.

Again, you were the first one to use the word Nazi or incel in that thread. (Well, actually you used a swastika, not the word Nazi, but that’s hardly a material difference.) And I wasn’t even complaining about it from a “that’s offensive” or “that’s rude” perspective. I was complaining about it because it was irrelevant, came out of absolutely nowhere with no explanation or obvious reason, and it derailed the thread. And honestly, it didn’t start out as a complaint. I was honestly confused and really wanted an explanation (which never did come).

I didn’t call anyone else out for responding in kind because, again, you started it. From that point on, I decided that you had invited that kind of treatment when you brought that kind of tone into it in the first place. After all, the thread was already derailed by that point, the term had become relevant to the off-topic discussion now going on, and there was an obvious reason: baseless insults tend to beget more baseless insults, often of the same kind. I don’t approve of that sort of thing, as I think it’s counterproductive, unhelpful, and unnecessarily rude, but I generally try to avoid even the appearance of concern trolling, especially when it doesn’t look like any productive discussion would be going on anyways.

Also, I don’t post criticisms of every post I flag or flag every post I criticize. Just because you don’t see me calling them out doesn’t mean I’m not flagging them. Why I choose to openly respond to you is a combination of the fact that they have had productive discussions in the past while you haven’t, so they’ve earned some leeway from me that you haven’t, and my curiosity as to what you were talking about.

At any rate, their behavior is their behavior, and yours is yours. It really doesn’t matter who I choose to call out. You’re just engaging in whataboutism.

I DO take note that you want to tone troll my language

I only took issue with your tone when it involved death wishes. The other stuff was more about relevance, derailing, lack of supporting evidence, or a “pot calling the kettle black” or “people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones” sort of thing. I may not like your tone or condone it, but I’ve deliberately avoided talking about it unless it crossed the aforementioned line.

long after I clarified my position on those issues.

Dude, you suck at clarifying things. There were a couple of times you explained something to some degree (like the Black Israelites or CVE) it was often after a lot of effort, and it was pretty rare. You still haven’t explained exactly what you mean by ADLification, or what K4 is (aside from what it stands for).

Do you know why I ask so many questions? It’s because I want to avoid making assumptions. I’m trying my best to avoid mischaracterizing what you’ve said. But there’s only so much I can do when your attempts to clarify don’t actually clarify things.

But you once again prove complete stupidity, and appear to suffer a stark inability to grasp any form of nuance in any fashion.

I do grasp nuances. That’s why I call you out and not them. That’s why I don’t flag all your comments. That’s why I ask questions rather than just dismiss your comments. That’s why I avoid making absolute, unconditional claims. That’s why I haven’t actually called you a Nazi, racist, incel, antisemite, or bigot (even if you may say or do things that are racist, antisemetic, or bigoted, but I’ve rarely even said that much), and took a long time before I even implied that your ideas are absurd conspiracy theories. I understand that there are nuances that I have to consider. If I didn’t, we would be having a very different discussion right now.

Then: Do you have proof those ACs -who should go kill themselves ASAP – are actually people, human beings, and not AI chatbots?

No, you do not.

As such, I still feel that the AC, and whatever powers it, should go kill itself, asap.

First of all, the presumption is that someone is human unless proven otherwise. Unless you have proof to backup the claim, I have absolutely no reason to believe that they are AI chatbots.

Second, I don’t care who or what you’re addressing, but saying that anyone should kill themself or is better off dead is the one thing I don’t tolerate. You asked where I’ve ever called out one of the others for abusive behavior? Well, while it’s been a while, and it’ll take me some time to dig through all my comments to find this, but I actually did call out one of them for saying they hoped this antivaxxer would never wake up. Unlike you, they apologized and acknowledged that they were out of line. I can accept a lot of Internet bile, but that’s beyond the pale, and makes me start to lose my patience. And it’s not solely out of empathy, either. See, my family just went to the funeral of someone who committed suicide. My uncle also committed suicide a long time ago. This is a very personal issue for me. I can deal with it to a degree, but I have my limits. Plus, regardless of who or what it’s directed to, I feel it diminishes the quality of this sites’ comments more than just about anything else.

Third, if they are AI chatbots, what good does it to insult them and tell them they should kill themselves? That’s just dumb.

Also, could you make up your mind already? Before, you were calling them Mormons. Soon after, you also started calling them zionists. Now they’re AI chatbots? Which is it?

Its now my opinion that you are a calculated liar, and libeler and everyone who has been following along can sort that out.

Well, I never said anything about you as a person, other than that you were a troll, and that was only after you explicitly said you were trolling. I only discussed what was said, my opinions, and stated abstract hypotheticals about what a reasonable person might conclude from that, along with asking questions about what you said. So if I’m a liar and libeler, I’d have to be a pretty terrible one, and clearly not all that calculating. After all, anyone could easily find out for themselves whether I’m telling the truth or not. All I can say is that if I got anything wrong, it was unintentional and probably not all that material to my main points. If anyone finds a mistake, please let me know with a link to the comment and a description of what I got wrong. I will try to address them in detail.

Lastly, I never once discussed the first amendment in that context. You are the one who brought that up.

Yes, I did. So what? I was saying that you do, in fact, have the legal right to tell someone online that they should kill themselves as protected by the First Amendment. That was a concession on my part, as my opinion was that there is no good reason for you to do so, that it accomplishes no reasonable goal, that it can only harm a discussion, that it is never called for or appropriate, that it is inherently offensive to everyone, that it shows a severe disregard for life (and BTW, you said that while also calling them Mormons, so you can’t hide behind the excuse that it’s “okay to say to someone if you’re convinced that they’re an AI”), and it doesn’t belong in this or any thread on this site. (Also, if it’s address to what you believe is an AI chatbot, then it’s also pointless and dumb, so that doesn’t really help your case.) If it was up to me, I’d completely remove any comment that uses that kind of talk. However, it is not up to me, and I can accept that. I will call you out and flag you, however, and I will be very pleased whenever any such comments are hidden, moreso than any other.

ACs are not real, "people ” online by any stretch, which is why your argument falls flat-you nor I have any proof that thing, Buffalo Bill AC,is human, yet you jump with great largesse, and chivalry to its substancless ad hominem after ad hominem. You two make a great pair.

the AC Insult chatbot which you are defending […] is your new BFF.

  1. Again, it’s your job to prove that they’re not human. Being a former AC myself, I can confirm that human ACs do, in fact, exist. So what proof do you have that they aren’t human?
  2. I didn’t defend them.

No seriously, I didn’t. Or at least, that wasn’t my intent.

For one thing, the comment I was responding to gives no indication to whom or what it is addressed to. I didn’t even know it was addressed to anyone or anything in particular—since it was basically a complaint about being called a racist, something you’ve been called directly and indirectly a number of times by a variety of people, ACs, unregistered nyms, and registered users, in multiple threads—until this comment that clarifies that you were addressing a specific AC. My comment was not written with any consideration regarding whom or what you were addressing your comment to because I didn’t know who specifically you were referring to in the first place. This is why, when you want to reply to someone’s comment, you should use “reply to this”, not start a new thread. Especially if you’re addressing an AC, since there are a number of them with very different tones and opinions. (At least one even defended you.)

Second, my previous comments that related to those ACs had more to do with your reaction rather than anything they said or did. You were apparently convinced at the time that they were Mormons, zionists, and were part of some conspiracy against you and were stalking you. (I’m guessing you still believe those last two things.) I found these ideas incredible and unsupported by the evidence and expressed confusion as to what Mormons had to do with anything. How that could possibly be considered a defense of anything they said, or even of them as people, is completely beyond me.

And as for me criticizing you for saying those ACs should kill themselves, as I’ve stated, it doesn’t really matter who or what they are or what they said or did. That is no excuse for telling them to kill themselves or saying that it’d be better if they were dead. That is not a defense of them. And feel free to insult them in any number of other colorful ways. I am perfectly okay with that.
(Well, maybe not perfectly okay, but I won’t complain about it for the sole reason that it is rude.) Hell, go ahead and call them incels or something. I just draw the line at that particular sort of insult, and it’s not just because of any potential adverse effects it may have on the target(s). I don’t think it belongs in any discussion at all, and it serves no purpose other than to harm and derail. Maybe there exists some context where it’d be acceptable, but this isn’t it.

[…]which you never once called out for using the Nazi word, or incel, or even accusations that I wear a Klan robe[…]

Well I don’t recall that particular AC using the word incel offhand. If it was in the other discussion, then it was probably just in response to you calling someone else an incel for no reason. But whatever. If you’re reading this, AC, stop randomly calling people incels, even if it’s ROGS. Bad AC! Bad!

There. Happy? Same goes for the Nazi thing, except I do kinda remember that, and I’m pretty sure that it was in a thread where you called nasch a Nazi (again).

As for the KKK thing, while I don’t condone that, either, I believe that it was meant hyperbolically to call you a racist. Now, I don’t have enough evidence to believe that you are, in fact, a racist. However, as I’ve said, based on things you’ve said, I don’t believe it’s unreasonable for someone to conclude that you are a racist. But again, just because I don’t explicitly call them out doesn’t mean I condone what they say. I’ve already flagged them. But really, sometimes I don’t have much to say.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Techdirt online mobbing

"…and I am the racist?"

When every last one of your labyrinthine conspiracy theories end up with the implied summary that "The Jews Did It" then yes. You’re being a racist.

Now in the real world what happened in San Bernardino was simply one religious fruitcake brought a gun to the party of another religious fruitcake. The takeaway is simple enough, that religious people are nuts.

This is not new and trying to play connect-the-dots in order to imply there’s some world-spanning conspiracy behind it, with the jewish ADL at the lead, puts it straight into Stormfront territory. It’s basically the modernized summary of "mein kampf".

Flavio D ’Month says:

Re: Re: Techdirt online mobbing

You start with Stormfront?

You are nuts-half of that site is controlled oppositionwith an expensive side order of FBI/DHS stalking, and the other half?

Well, some say Andrew Anglin is himself Jewish, or in the very least, doing the work of zionazis better than their wildest dreams, so theres THAT.

The rest of your anti-semitic conspiracy theory falls flat, just because your uninformed; but really, because you are useful idiot ADL-Lite. A useful idiot for the cooption of social movements, and domestic spying by the One Percent, and their enablers (oh, you, again).

Please, jackass, say "conspiracy theory” just One More Time®!

I promise you, your dividend check on that one phrase guarantees you a prettier gravestone in an “ordained” graveyard, but wont do shit to help the poor, the marginalized, “the Other”,or those targeted and harassed by the lying, swastika hoaxing, dialogue derailing DVIC slavers you speak up for.

Good little enabler. Enjoy your guaranteed place in hell.

But when you connect the dots between Thalasinos and then, his ADLified dialectic, and its co-hosts, you discover an actual and discernible dialogue between ADL affilliated diversity mobs, working behind racist, anti-muslim police(“we were working his name up one/two weeks ago”) and the eventual shooting.

But you dont care about any of that, because you want that gloss on your own tombstone.

Go ahead-mention Doc Hollidays drunk, racist ass again, or that coward,Wyatt Earp I dare you.

Salvatore Mundi, part deux says:

Re: Re: Techdirt online mobbing

re: every last one of your labyrinthine conspiracy theories end up with the implied summary that "The Jews Did It" then yes. You’re being a racist.

ROGS replies to that smear:

See, I cant let this lie stand as the lie and smear that you intended. I never said that, or anything like it.

I have repeatedly been called a racist here at TD by people like you because I do not ketou/磕头/ (kowtow ) to the ADL, or because I criticize the Israeli spies who harass US citizens, or who have harrassed my personal friends or associates.

https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

These organizations are a toxic mix of race supremacy based ideology that was started by an actual group of organized crime bosses, such as the Bronfman Klan, and Meyer Lansky; and whose modern history includes murders, stalking, smearing, slandering and libelling activists, most notably on Facebook and Twitter.

So either educate yourself, or stop your lies right here: not being pro-semitic as defined by the afore -mentioned sociopaths does not automatically equal anti-semitic, EXCEPT to binary, religion based race supremacists and their enablers, or, YOU, Scary Devil Monastery, in this case.

On that note, these cocksuckers have stalked, harassed, smeared, slandered and deported many of my associates who themselves are "semitic ”peoples as far back as 2001.

So, either go fuck yourself for lying, and take your extremely lily white defense of these quasi-criminal organizations where it belings(your a,Swede, right? ), or in the very least, stop being their unpaid useful idiot /buttboy, and smearing me FOR them, because your lies, repeated often, do not make a truth.

R/O/G/S...。 says:

Re: Techdirt online mobbing

Techdirt online mobbing

So, let me get this straight:

ROGS criticize how
radical, racist white supremacists, dominionists and zionist Kahanists target and harass Muslims and how some of those Muslims then become radicalized, and I am the racist?

I bet your mother is sorry she concieved you during menses.

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