DOJ Tells Sheriff To Give It Back The $70,000 In Forfeiture Funds He Spent To Buy Himself A New Sports Car
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You have to screw up pretty badly to step on the DOJ’s toes hard enough for it to notice when it comes to asset forfeiture. After the briefest of reforms under Eric Holder, new AG Jeff Sessions reactivated the federal forfeiture escape hatch, allowing law enforcement agencies to skirt local reform efforts by having their seizures “adopted” by the feds.
According to proponents of forfeiture, it’s a valuable tool that cripples drug cartels. That far more seizures take place than convictions or even arrests is glossed over by fans of forfeiture who honestly (or more likely, dishonestly) believe taking money from motorists during pretextual stops somehow has an effect on the international drug trade.
Gwinnett County (GA) Sheriff Butch Conway managed to cross that line, despite being invited to the White House to gush about the wonderful people at ICE. Conway blew nearly $70,000 in equitable sharing funds (the aforementioned partnership with the feds aided by federal forfeiture adoptions) on a tricked-out Dodge Hellcat. The DOJ recently sent a letter telling Butch it wants its money back.
The U.S. Department of Justice is demanding reimbursement for the nearly $70,000 that Gwinnett County Sheriff Butch Conway spent on the high-powered sports car he drives to and from work.
In a recent letter to Conway, the DOJ characterized the sheriff’s purchase of a Dodge Charger Hellcat — a 707-horsepower muscle car that some have called the fastest sedan ever built — as “extravagant.”
The federal government previously approved the purchase, which used asset forfeiture funds, but are now questioning if the Hellcat is being used for its stated purpose.
The sheriff dubiously claimed the high-powered sports car had “educational” value when applying for the funds. According to Sheriff Conway, the vehicle — with a 707-hp engine and dark black tinted windows — would be used at a local law enforcement event to [checks application] “inform teens about the dangers of distracted driving and street racing.”
The event specifically named in the funds request only happens once a year. So, rather than let the vehicle idle in a law enforcement garage, Conway decided it could also be his daily driver. However, the DOJ isn’t as concerned about this (mis)use of the $70,000 car. No, it’s more worried about the other things Conway said the vehicle could help with, despite being something the DOJ considers an “extravagance” unable to be purchased with federal funds.
Guidelines prohibit “the use of equitably shared funds for extravagant expenditures,” the DOJ’s letter, dated July 10, said. “The vehicle in question is a high-performance vehicle not typically purchased as part of a traditional fleet of law enforcement vehicles.”
The feds also took issue with part of the request that stated Conway would also use the car for undercover and covert operations.
It seems like undercover and covert operations might be better served by a vehicle that didn’t stick out like a customized one-of-a-kind sports car. The only way to grant the sheriff’s claims credence is to assume he believes the “Fast and Furious” movies are a series of documentaries.
The DOJ will likely get its money back. For one thing, it’s the DOJ. It’s not as if the sheriff can go over its head. For another, the DOJ has informed Butch he gets no more federal funds until this “extravagant purchase” is repaid. Someone who just spent $70,000 in federal funds to upgrade his personal vehicle probably isn’t ready to give up the nipple of what’s easy. Sheriff Butch is just going to have to swallow his pride (and sense of entitlement) and give back the money he stole from citizens with the DOJ’s assistance.
Filed Under: asset forfeiture, butch conway, dodge hellcat, doj, gwinnett county, spending, sports cars
Comments on “DOJ Tells Sheriff To Give It Back The $70,000 In Forfeiture Funds He Spent To Buy Himself A New Sports Car”
Swap
I guess he is now just going to impound the next sports car that catches his eye and keep that instead?
Re: Swap
I was thinking he would just stop enough citizens and confiscate (I mean charge) their money until his portion equaled the $70,000 he owes. Shouldn’t take too long, and he might get lucky. The problem with this theory is that by then a new model year would be out and he will be wanting the newest one.
Not to nit-pick, but where does anything say that the car was “tricked out” or one of a kind? I can go buy an all black Charger Hellcat at the dealership near my house (there is one there right now) for about that price.
By looking at the pictures, it just looks like a regular Charger Hellcat.
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Can you see the hidden lights and sirens and radios and computers and nox system?
Re: Tricked
Silly me, I had just assumed that if you pay $70k for a car it is tricked out. Tinted windows and 700HP engines weren’t standard on any car I’ve ever bought with my own money.
Re: Re: Tricked
A Tesla Model S is more expensive, faster, and runs on electricity.
I am sorry to say, a $70k car is not that big of a deal anymore.
I would, however, prefer our law enforcement did a better job of selecting appropriate vehicles for their job.
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"Tinted windows and 700HP engines weren’t standard on any car I’ve ever bought with my own money."
But they are standard on a Charger Hellcat. Just coz you’ve never heard of it doesn’t mean it isn’t a thing.
Re: Re: Re: Tricked
To the average person, tinted windows and huge engine is TRICKED OUT. Doesn’t matter if it’s standard for the model, it’s still tricked out compared to what the average person buys. That is, after all, what determines what is or is not tricked out.
Re: Re: Re:2 Tricked
No. Tricked out means customized, upgraded.
Re: Re: Re:3 Tricked
Perhaps that’s how you use it, but not everybody uses it that way. Having all the bells-and-whistles is also “tricked out” to some people.
Re: Re: Re:4 Tricked
Those people are wrong.
Re: Re: Re:2 Tricked
I don’t necessarily disagree, although I think “tricked out” is one of those lame old expressions people who don’t know much about cars use and most enthusiasts would mock.
You know what happens now?
Military gear retirement program. Bearcat instead of Hellcat. And the taxpayer has to bear the further increased gas tab. Only 440hp but certainly at least as good a demonstration object for the dangers of distracted driving.
Re: You know what happens now?
Just get two of them.
Re: Re: You know what happens now?
Not really necessary. A 700+hp sports car cannot put out even 440hp on the road on a continuing basis: the clutch isn’t good for that even if you found a trailer that would demand that kind of power.
The clutch on a Bearcat, in contrast, will hold. You’ll find that running up a gas tab is a lot easier with that kind of vehicle.
Re: Re: Re: You know what happens now?
“the clutch isn’t good for that even if you found a trailer that would demand that kind of power”
First, what? The clutch on a Challenger Hellcat is more than good for that amount of power. The Demon uses the same clutch and puts out more than 850 horsepower. I have watched a Challenger Hellcat on a dyno put out more than 500 hp to the rear wheels.
And….you cannot order a Charger Hellcat with a manual transmission. The Charger Hellcat only comes with an automatic.
This is still quite the double-standard.
I am pretty sure that if I embezzled money from my company and the DOJ found out, the letter I would be receiving would be an arrest warrant and a subpoena.
Of course, my letter would be delivered by an armed courier.
Re: Double-Standard
As horrific and asinine as this was, I wouldn’t call it embezzlement though (at least not of the DOJ; potentially of his actual employers, the people of Gwinnett County, but not the DOJ).
I would say its more akin to being given a company credit card, using it for personal charges, and the company demanding that you reimburse them for those personal charges. Something similar recently happened where I work (My team lead had been using his expense account to take my team out to a nice lunch once a month as a “team building exercise”, until that had been shut down; although the issue was less the nature of the expenses as it was about the department’s total budget).
Re: Re: Double-Standard
Do you know what would happen if I used my company credit card for 5 star dinners, penthouse suites, business class, and the like ? I would get fired so fast with a kick in my ass. We certainly don’t travel poorly when we are away, but such blatant misuse should be grounds to fire someone… yet here there seems to be nothing. I don’t know if things would have been different if it weren’t approved first (who the heck approves this anyway? Did they just train a monkey with a stamp?), but it is so right in the face that it really should have consequences (other than “meh.. pay us back and we’ll forget it”).
Re: Re: Re: Double-Standard
Key words being, grounds for. It would definitely be something the company could fire you for. However if you paid it back the same company might only just put a record in your file. All depends on your current standing with the company, your relationship with superiors, no strict the company is, and how critical you are to the company.
Re: Re: Re: Double-Standard
Different companies have different policies.
These weren’t “hidden” or unethical charges. They had been approved for years, until the department budget started hitting certain thresholds.
Now we have weekly meals, but they are catered for the whole department, rather than individual teams eating out on a monthly basis.
But it’s just pennies from heaven. How can the DOJ demand money back on something ordained by God?
Physics documentaries.
” Dodge Charger Hellcat — a 707-horsepower muscle car that some have called the fastest sedan ever built”
Oh, I doubt that.
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Talked to any Dodge salespeople about this?
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Don’t have to, I’ve watched the videos.
Tesla will beat it easily.
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Yeah, but not if you ask the Dodge salespeople…Tesla, Carrera, F1, and that crazy Volkswagon on Pikes Peak recently (among lots of others!) be damned!
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A Tesla will quickly overheat.
Re: Re: Re:2 Re:
The original claim was “the fastest sedan ever built”. This does not imply any duration.
The typical way that “fastest” is determined is via a 1/4 mile drag race, I do not recall reading about any over heating on the 1/4 mile. I would think the Tesla will run out of juice before it over heats.
Re: Re: Re:3 Re:
That would be “quickest”. “Fastest” is top speed.
Re: Re: Re:4 *Remember the Dodge Salesman!*
The man said it was the fastest…
stop splitting hairs….yes, of course you have to define how exactly you measure fastest or quickest…probably the most commonly used (and actually practical) advertising measure is the time from 0mph to 60mph. There are very few places to use that 150+ mph top cruising speed!
Re: Re: Re:5 *Remember the Dodge Salesman!*
Re: Re: Re:5 *Remember the Dodge Salesman!*
0-to-60 is acceleration rate, which is “quickest”.
The term “fastest” is reserved either for top speed or (to factor in handling, et cetera) for sustained-over-distance speed, as measured by time to cover e.g. a known-length reference course. I’ve never been entirely clear which, or what term is used for whichever is left over.
Re: Re: Re:6 *Remember the Dodge Salesman!*
The Hellcat does not top any of those categories.
Re: Re: Re:4 Re:
Well, given that definition then – there are several sedans with higher top speeds.
And here I thought my police department was extravagant for buying Cadillacs for cruisers. I mean, after all, the city was defaulting and claiming bankruptcy, why not go all out?
Re: Cadillacs?
If this were New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina, the city’s “finest” would just break into the Cadillac dealership and help themselves.
Not gettin' any
Well, there goes Sheriff Conway’s pussy magnet.
Re: Not gettin' any
Any pussy attracted by that car should be avoided.
Simple solution, they’ll just recommission the car as a working police squad car, but let the sheriff take it home evenings and weekends. That’s what many companies do with their company cars, which serve double duty as the personal vehicles of upper management, yet still serve as a tax deduction as a business expense.
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My thought was similar, just call it a “High Speed Interceptor” and all should be good. After all, you need something to chase down other cars full of cash.
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“My thought was similar, just call it a “High Speed Interceptor” and all should be good. After all, you need something to chase down other cars full of cash.”
So the Fast and The Furious meets Mad Max?
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Doesn’t quite work that way.
Car manufacturers make certain vehicles available for police departments. of those, MOST of them will be offered in a choice of regular or ‘special service’ vehicles. Special service vehicles are the ones set up and built with pursuits in mind. They’ll have heavier duty frames/suspension, engines designed for heavy loads, mounting points for external hardware (like barge-bars)
All regular/SS vehicles offered to the police are also ‘fleeted’, and designed internally for police use, with extranious ‘comforts’ removed (no Sirius XM or DVD players) and other stuff moved around so that department-specific equipment (MDTs, lights, speedmonitoring equipment, cameras, ALPRs etc) can be easily fitted – in fact this ease of access for equipment fitting is one of the major evaluation criteria in the Michigan police vehicle evaluations (one of the two big ones police departments nationwide use to evaluate when purchasing). For instance, the ford interceptor utility has a column-mounted shifter, the regular version has its shifter in the center console – the difference is all about equipment fitting.
As a result, the vehicles often cost much less – a charger hemi PPV might sell for $22k as part of a deal ($27k for the most basic to you or me), the ford interceptor utilty (explorer) might be $25k (its regular version starts at $32k). Whats more, any warranty wouldn’t be voided by pursuits as this hellcat would be.
In the UK, they don’t have special models made by manufacturers (because cars aren’t as common, especially as it takes 3 separate licenses to be pursuit qualified – patrol, response, pursuit – on top of the regular driving license, while US cops get 2 days of training during their acadamy days and their ready to chase speeders). So vehicles are purchased as regular models, but then they’ll go to a specialist company to be modified. The Volvo V70R’s I spent time in when I was doing accident investigations were all breathed on by ProDrive (who are probably better known as the company behind Subaru’s WRC dominance in the 90s and 00s)
“The federal government previously approved the purchase, which used asset forfeiture funds, but are now questioning if the Hellcat is being used for its stated purpose.”
The federal government previously approved asset forfeiture, which created asset forfeiture funds, but are now questioning if the law is being used for its stated purpose as the flow of drugs has not slowed down but the number of regular citizens complaining about being robbed by officers under the color of law has jumped.
COPS
Cops make the best criminals.
'Education', sure...
The sheriff dubiously claimed the high-powered sports car had "educational" value when applying for the funds.
Would that be ‘educational’ in the sense of ‘it will be educational to see how much I can get away with?’
Perhaps ‘educational’ in the sense of ‘Look at what sweet stuff you can get if you have a badge and a willingness to sling enough bullshit to fill a stockyard!’
His actions were ‘educational’ alright, just for all the wrong reasons and in all the wrong ways.
Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
Shouldn’t we just have asset forfeiture principles used for illegal piracy groups too, in order to cut their funding. The money could be used to support RIAA and MPAA..
Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
Would that include mothers and toddlers, old grannies, and dead people?
Re: Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
Re: Re: Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
And you’d be able to prove that, right?
No? What a surprise, tp’s assertions turned out to be nothing but unsubstantiated bullshit again. That’s an M. Night Shyamalan twist right there…
Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
Nah, copyright trolling already has “draining the innocent of their assets” already covered.
Re: Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
Re: Re: Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
Not “efficiently” – “accurately”.
There is a pretty significant difference.
Not that you’d care, asshole.
Re: Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
“illegal piracy groups”
LOL
lets be fair to the pig
lets be fair to the pig, he needs to get there in style and quick right…YOU OWE him that much…lol
Re: lets be fair to the pig
ya thats right you have to be fair to the pig
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forfeiture
Stealing the loot from a gang banger is no big deal, they just go out and get more.
When The Road Pirates snatch the loot of a hard working citizen, that’s another matter…
yup thats right
Asset forfeiture for copyright infringement
No, copyright trolling already has "draining the innocent of their assets" already covered https://postalexperiencecompos.tech