UCLA Decides To Put Course Videos Back Online; Countdown To Lawsuit Begins…

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Last month, we wrote about how the Association for Information Media and Equipment (AIME) had threatened UCLA with copyright violations for allowing professors to post videos online for students to view. This resulted in UCLA pulling down those videos — even though the university said it believed it had a very strong fair use case. Since pulling down the videos, the two sides have been talking. However, even without an agreement, UCLA has decided to put the videos back online for the next quarter. Given this, I’m guessing that it won’t be long before AIME files a lawsuit, so we might get an interesting case over fair use in educational settings…

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Charles Vestal says:

The “Videos” in question, seem to be full copyrighted films, so I understand the concern, moreso than if it were videos of the lecture, as I first read the story.

I’m confused as to why they can’t do what ever class I had in college did, and just have organized screenings of the films for the class? Requiring students to buy 8 DVDs as the only alternative to streaming over the internet seems ludicrous.

Valkor says:

Re: Re:

I haven’t taken the class, but I can easily think of situations where it would be difficult to organize “screenings”. What you’re suggesting essentially is a film studies class with a scheduled lab time.

Here’s where the problem is:
“The message that UCLA sent AIME and all its members is that they and literally every other university have every right to buy a single copy of a video and stream it to an unlimited number of students forever without permission or compensation to the creator,” said the association’s counsel, Arnold P. Lutzker…

An industry spokeshole and an industry who employs him making willfully false, intellectually dishonest statements like this is an obvious attempt to reframe the debate. It changes the argument from “streaming to students for educational purposes” to “YouTube University”. Fortunately, that kind of insane statement is more suited to a PR release than to a legal filing.

Jeff (profile) says:

I think UCLA has a very strong case for fair use. School libraries have pretty much always had a fair use exemption.

This is just an extortion attempt by yet another “Rights protection” racket… They will be the only beneficiary of any precedent setting settlement. Ultimately, if UCLA caves to this craven attempt to grab more money, this will set precedent for schools and universities across the nation to raise tuition and add yet another “media” fee to a death spiral of the cost of higher education.

tracker1 (profile) says:

one copy per stream...

If they have a physical copy locked away per live stream, I don’t see that they can do much… if they have timed presentations, where it’s played at a certain time to any number of students, that could be fair too. I think that having one copy and then have multiple streams at different time points per that one copy is a bit over the top. It should probably be something in between… Though simply having 10 copies in a locked room, and limiting streams of a given movie to 10 at a time would do it, and be much stronger for fair use by UCLA. Even if those same terms haven’t won in the past.

NUCLEAR intellectual property says:

@1st poster

so to show examples of how special effects and scenes are done you can only use what small clips and hten you cant show how the whole is done to amke a truly unique setting

YUP once again proving copyright doesnt help education and innovation

I hope they lose and more USA people get more stupid until your the barbarians of the world

Anonymous Coward says:

9. Not sure why the university would even bother because once it joins the issue, as would be the case with asserting a fair use defense, it will be deemed to have waived immunity.

Of course, there is always a possibility, however remote, that a claim could be brought under the California Constitution on the basis of the state’s equivalent to the 5th Amendment.

Anonymous Coward says:

Here are the true facts of how UCLA makes these materials available:

*UCLA has purchased legal copies of the media. At the request of an instructor, UCLA digitized the media and makes it available, via a video stream, to students enrolled in that instructors’ course. The students must authenticate their identity via their unique student ID number. The authentication algorithm checks against the Registrar’s records for enrollment for that class for that term. If the student is not enrolled in the class, they are denied access. The system used also creates a “dummy” link to the stream to prevent a student from sending the link to a friend. If they don’t authenticate, they don’t gain access to the stream.

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