If You're Subversive, And Live In South Carolina, Please Register With The State Gov't

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Slashdot points us to the news that South Carolina has a new law requiring every member “subversive groups” to register with the government or face up to $25,000 in fines and a ten year prison sentence. Seriously:

“every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States … shall register with the Secretary of State.”

Oh, and it will cost you $5 to let the state government know you’re a terrorist wannabe.

Now, of course, it’s already illegal to plot against the US government, so this law doesn’t add anything, other than something else to throw at anyone arrested for being “subversive.” Prosecutors can also point out that they “failed to register.”

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Mike C. (profile) says:

Re: Why did you leave it out?

Even with that addition, it’s still a useless law. Here’s an experiment for you to try:

Name one “unlawful” method that can be used to gain control of the government and yet WON’T already get you sent to jail.

This law adds no new protections, just new/extra punishments to already existing laws.

Ven says:

Re: Re: Why did you leave it out?

“Unlawful” is far to broad to be a limiting factor.
For example, it is disturbing the peace to shout for an extended time in a public place.

This law could be twisted to say that a group advocating a political change is attempting to “control” the government, and that in planning a demonstration they intend to use unlawfully disturb the peace. Now they can be charged just for planning the demonstration.

And now we have written a law that creates thought-crime.

Mike C. (profile) says:

Any bets on how long it will take this to get abused for political reasons?

every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States … shall register with the Secretary of State

Don’t both major political parties want to “control” the government of the United States?

In my opinion, this new law is going to be trouble.

NAMELESS.ONE says:

yes retards everywhere stand up and claim there terrorists

i saw this at dslreports and made this comment what what it is really about is that first they make a stupid law like this then the next law gives them the right to label you such then everyone would be forced to pay

think how it could work in Canada
make a law that all pirates that exist have to pay 50$ a month
everyone laughs and then next law comes and suddenly no more laughter as govt can label you such at there discretion via the ACTA treaty.

THEN YOU PAY
PROFIT

NAMELESS.ONE says:

truthfully

you get the feeling that all the laws needed we have and these lawyers are now just making up stuff to get paid?
Anyone get this feeling ?

ITS that or maybe the worlds leaders are taken over by aliens. HOW else do you explain grown men , of intellect with lawyers around them making such laws that we common folk to know are utterly devoid of intelligence, unless its part as i said of a plan to extend the tax base and thus continue the american country a few more years till its known they are truly bankrupt. WHY else while your handing out trillions to scammers bring in health care at same time. WHERE is all this cash going to come form YES I KNOW we can buy up all the art and creativity and make YOU OTHERS IN WORLD PAY
haha yes yes
/me pictures the star wars emperor laughing hard now.

Anony1 says:

Slashdot points us to the news that South Carolina has a new (UNCONSTITUTIONAL) law requiring every member “subversive groups” to register with the government or face up to $25,000 in fines and a ten year prison sentence…

@Richard:

by Richard (profile)
or an organization subject to foreign control,

So all members of the Roman Catholic Church will have to register

NO BUT JACKA$$ RELIGIOUS BIGOTS LIKE YOURSELF WILL BE AT THE TOP OF THE LIST.

NAMELESS.ONE says:

wha about that one in ontario where i live

the law states that only horses can be usd to get to downtown
YUP its an actual law. just no longer enforced.

maybe instead a all the insane copyright stuff we could get lawyers work removing dumb laws..wait maybe thats why these laws are coming out so later they can work at removing them ….like a perpetual paradox machine form doctor who

NAMELESS.ONE says:

think of the children dont send them to church

ya know so the father/priest can touch them.
bigotry has nohting ot do with sick ways that religion has conducted itself and hindered innovation and creativy to mankind
Galileo sound familiar, why do you think free masonry came into being as a powerful force in the world? because we need secret organizations that are chalked full a scientists ?

yes its a lot more …open dare i say then in the past largely because they won there lil secret war against the church. ALL THE FUNDING FATHERS OF THE USA ARE OR WERE MASONS.
THINK about that when you speak highly of catholicism. organized religion has done far worse for this planet OF ANY KIND. belief in higher powers or a god(s) is your choice dont shove it at me with your PREECHY CRAP

Bobby Boberstein says:

Re: think of the children dont send them to church

Where is yoru data to support you thesis? One Galileo is only a partial truth at best. Do not pull it out of the context of the day and try to apply your current state to items that happened to the past. Why is it just teh church you hold to this standard? What about the wrongful acts of EVERY govenrment on the planet? It seems you may be a democrat? What about the fact they fought for slavery(which christians fought against). Created terrorist groups to keep exslaves afraid to vote. The Republican controlled Executive office had to keep troops in Southerm State Government office to just protect the African Americans from getting killed and Harrased.
Yet you still probably vote Demo. I can come up with many items against Repubs, and ANY COUNTRY or Goverment that has ever existed. The only thign you are proving is that YOU are teh close minded Bigot and that mankind has been horrible to each other in spite of what a few people haev tried to do to make the world a better place.

So I woudl suggest you pull your head out of your professors Ar$#, quit hatin’ and make the world a better place.

ReVolt says:

So funny

How they are starting to prepare for the revolution these days! All their FEMA camps and coffins. I love it when the crooks in control start getting nervous about the “subversive groups” out there.. Hell, that all of America from where I’m standing.

“What? Your worried we might revolt? You were not thinking about us revolting when you were flying planes into our buildings where you?” Then your going to get what you got.. US, MAD AS HELL.. And as the Marine was saying on Youtube, “From my cold dead hands”..

OldGeek says:

Too Bad

To bad the Declaration of Independence doesn’t hold any weight any more:

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Anony1 says:

@NAMELESS.ONE : Ya you know the same thing has occured in countles other religious organizations, and countless other non-religious organizations. Rather than correct your multiple historical inaccuracies, and obvious blinding uneducated, and uninformed hatred for organized religions I just have this to say: Your rant on the actions of priests (which were very wrong indeed) is completely off topic to my response to richard, but it DOES put you in the same catergory as him. Suffice it to say, no one asked you some mind your own damn buisness you nutcase. You sound like you’re a few sandwhiches short of a picknick any how. Ignorance knows no bounds apparently. You’re the one preaching idiot. I was merely pointing out an obvious bias. Anything else?

Overcast (profile) says:

Any bets on how long it will take this to get abused for political reasons?

every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States … shall register with the Secretary of State

Don’t both major political parties want to “control” the government of the United States?

In my opinion, this new law is going to be trouble.

Well – the ‘Government of the US’ is by the people, for the people and of the people of the US. Not a state legislature, period. It never, ever says that at all. The ‘state’ has no control over the Federal Government or should have any say so in it’s affairs – as an ‘entity’.

Therefore: a State government trying to ‘dictate’ matters in regards to the federal government is in fact trying to ‘control’ the government aka ‘the people’ of the United States. They are guilty of it themselves by simply making this law.

Danny (profile) says:

Escaping persecution? So that's why they call them "Mayflower" vans.

My reading of the legislation suggests that the Republican Party in South Carolina, if they intend to support a 2012 candidate for President other than Barack Obama, is planning to advocate, teach, advise and practice the act of seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States.

It’s what we do every four years.

So, now they have to register or be in violation of the law. Or move out of South Carolina.

Anony1 says:

exaggerations. Not any more. I guess Sarah Palin needs to sign up – and every Republican.

@TW Burger:YES. All the men, women, and teenagers of any political party other than the Democratic party is obviously not an American right? I mean, after all, Democracy is all about ONE political party rule right?
There is no room for dessent right??

Sorry you partisan hack. You want Communist China, it’s a few thousand miles thata’ way….

Did you think before you typed that, or did you just swallow the kool-aid real quick? Oh wait you were “joking” right? BTW did you know the SOUTH is a bastian of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Particularlly South Carolina? Or that Sarah Palin (not a huge fan of the ex-Govenor myself) is from ALASKA, which is in the north?

Hey why let silly facts get in the way though. You could only be more wrong if you changed your handle to “The Anti-Mike”. Have a super day.

Wolfy says:

religion

Off topic I realize, but since it’s already been brought up, (Hey, look! Proper punctuation and capitalization!) Religion is nothing more than voluntary, self-inflicted mental illness. Period. You have to brainwash children with it for it to stick with any reliability, because you couldn’t give it away, let alone sell it to any sane, healthy adult. It’s by far the worst human invention for acquiring and maintaining power ever devised. It was perfected by evil men who should have been strangled in their cribs.

PRK (profile) says:

The scary part is the lack of English language skills in the language:

“every member of a subversive organization, or an organization subject to foreign control, every foreign agent and every person who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States … shall register with the Secretary of State.”

Does the “who advocates, teaches, advises or practices the duty, necessity or propriety of controlling, conducting, seizing or overthrowing the government of the United States…” ONLY apply to “every foreign agent and every person”?

If so, is merely being a member of an “organization subject to foreign control” mean you must register automatically? So if I am a member of the Bar Association of Barcelona I must register?

Nastybutler77 (profile) says:

Laws criminals don't follow

This law makes as much sense as all the gun laws that keep getting passed. Criminals don’t give a frozed rat turd about gun laws, just like “subversives” don’t care about following laws like this.

It would be like saying, everyone who wants to carjack someone needs to register with the DMV. Like I’m gonna wait in line for four hours to tell the athorities I’m gonna do something illegal.

Isn’t representative democracy fun?

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