Wealthy UK Artists Want Their Families To Get Paid Multiple Times For Their Artwork

from the incentive-to-create? dept

A few years ago, we wrote about the rather silly plan in the UK to create an “artist resale right.” This says that even if an artist has sold his or her work, if that work is resold, the artist still gets a 4% cut. The non-economic thinking on this is that an artist is forced to sell his or her work when it’s not valued as high, and thus deserves a cut when the value is much higher. However, that’s not at all what is happening. Instead, evidence has shown that this is more often used to depress the local art market by making it more expensive to sell art (and decreasing the incentives of anyone to resell any art they’ve bought). It profits big name artists, but tends to hurt the lesser known artists (you know, the ones it’s supposed to help).

So, of course, it should come as no surprise that the wealthy artists who benefit the most from this resale right in the UK are looking to expand it (found via Against Monopoly). Currently, it only applies to living artists. However, they’re now pushing to extend the right to 70 years after death, where the family of the artist will be compensated — claiming that families deserve to be compensated for artwork a family member may have sold off a century earlier because: “Our loved ones often sacrifice a lot to support an artist in the family.” Of course, there are lots of sacrifices that families make for people in other professions as well, but they don’t get paid a century later for their efforts. This clearly has nothing to do with encouraging more art, since it seems to discourage that. It is, like so many “intellectual property” grants, a way for established creators to get more money out of what they already created, while hurting the market for new upstarts.

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sonofdot says:

Twisted thinking

The thinking here is so twisted, it almost defies logic. They want to extend this brain-damaged idea to 70 years after death, because the family members sacrificed too. But after 70 years, aren’t the ones who made that sacrifice also dead, just like the artist? So the idea is to pay the great-grandchildren, because the great-grandparents sacrificed a little?

Anonymous of Course. says:

Sacrificed

Bah! These greedy weasles know no limits.
They’re like buzzards picking over a corpse
for the last tastey morsel.

Intellectual property rights should terminate
with the intellect that created the property,
if not sooner.

The design of machines and devices is just
as much a creative effort as writing or painting.
If we applied the same logic and were granted
the same rights, I doubt if the steam age would
have ever ended.

Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) says:

Who sacrificed what now?

I agree with sonofdot. Plus a sacrifice is giving one thing up to do another thing. If you gave up some dough for your brother do make a few paintings, well that is your choice. If bro dies of an anti-depressant overdose and his art is suddenly popular you now get some money for that sacrifice? I am sure, if brother was still alive and his art became popular, he wouldn’t give you anything. If this law is supposed to help the children/grandchildren, what sacrifice did they make?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Yep, I suffered growing up because my father was a shoe salesman. So what? Where’s my government-mandated handout because I suffered growing up?

For that matter, my grandparents were immigrants, and they suffered too. Where’s my remuneration for that?

What a bunch of talentless, molly-coddled greedy fucks. I think they need to go out and get real jobs like the rest of us, and quit trying to leech off the talent of their long-dead relatives. “Oh, boo-hoo for me, my great-great-great-grandfather drew a pen-and-ink drawing, and I should get paid every time it changes hands.”

Robert says:

I guess the same should apply to home builders, car makers, anything that is made and appreciates in value.

At the heart of this twisted reasoning isn’t art, but that the artists were forced to sell at lower prices, before they became famous or died or both. So if a home builder builds a house and years later the value is higher and is sold, then under this same reasoning the builder is entitled a share of the profits, and so are his relatives in the event of his death, for 70 years. Likewise GM and other auto makers would be more than happy to take a slice of the revenue from selling one of their cars or trucks once it becomes a classic. How about something as uninspiring as an audio amplifier, most people wouldn’t know it but there are tons of old tube amplifiers out there, many over 30 years old, selling for many thousands of dollars. Same is true for collectable plates, coins, etc, etc. This law is ludicrous.

deathbychichi says:

It is ever easier to imagine a day when patents will be forever, when copyrights will be forever, when it will cost so much money to use a screw to fasten two things together, that nobody will be able to afford to make, build, or sell anything. And you won’t be able to buy anything used, either, because of this sort of BS.

MAtt says:

I suppose

So, if I buy an artist’s work for $1000, and then I am forced to resell it due to harsh economic circumstances for $800, will the artist reimburse me 4% of the money I lost?
Probably not.
Why?
This is strictly profit-driven greed.
The choices we make entail a certain amount of risk. It is not the job of the government to give us risk-free lives.

Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) says:

Re: I suppose

It is not the job of the government to give us risk-free lives.

Yes it is. That is what socialist EU does. That is what liberal democrats want. The song “Mother” from Pink Floyd’s The Wall is so representative today…and that was thirty years ago…in Europe…where things are really getting screwy.

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: I suppose

Shut up, troll.

Funny how when anything like this happens it’s always “liberals” this and “socialist” that, even if it’s a conservative government who suggests it.

Look on your side of the pond at what’s happening to you, what the RIAA, MPAA and other organisations are attempting to push through before you comment on us. You should be more concerned about the rights you have gradually eroding away as we speak in the name of “fighting piracy/drugs/terror” than what’s happening in a continent you clearly don’t understand.

Franssu says:

Re: Re: I suppose

Oh, puh-leeze. We don’t need lessons from ideologist fanatics who don’t even understand what free market and capitalism really is, and love the screwed up thing America has become just because they are told to think this is what free market is.

Wake up, moron, America is becoming a corporatist dictatorship that has NOTHING to do with a free market. Monopolies and cartels are exactly the opposite of free market, and IP laws are everything about monopolies and cartels.

shmengie says:

reading techdirt is my daily intellectual kick-in-the-nuts. as much as you think you will get used to getting kicked in the nuts, it hurts equally every time. i really, truly, honestly (i swear-to-god) wish i could say – and mean it – that i’m not surprised and who cares and our rights are eroding and it’s just more IP bullshit and i’m numb…

but, i’m not. every single leech out there, every parasite that thinks he’s OWED something just because he had the misfortune to be born…oh man, the hairs on the back of my neck are standing up.

i wish i was numb…

oh well, fuck it. i’m off to donate more money to the eff. you should all do the same.

VanCardboardbox says:

Why Just Art?

Hey, why limit this policy to artwork. This should be applied to any and all results of work done by hand.

For instance: I built a deck for a friend several years ago which added value to his house. He paid me for the work, but when he sold his home the bastard gave me nothing when the deck’s value finally paid off and made his home more attractive to buyers. Insult to injury, the house changed hands again two years later and, again, I got nothing. This, despite the fact that the deck is still as solid and beauteous as the day I drove the last nail home. I have been cheated!

Franssu says:

FUBAR

That’s what all the intellectual property laws are becoming. In the name of free markets and helping innovation, we get… laws that kill innovation and stifle competition.

If I buy a work of art from a friend and sell it later with a large benefit, of course I will give a cut to my friend. It’s just commonsense. Anything beyond that is absolute BS.

known coward says:

I do not understand

why you are all surprised by this. IF i could get a law passed that said me and then my family after i was dead had to be paid every time someone else did something with my past work, I would do it in a heartbeat. Would it be fair and balanced? no. But we would be rich, RICH I SAY HA HA HA HA. I need to pay off, ^h ^h ^h I mean write my congressman.

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