Doesn't The FBI Have More Important Things To Do Than Chase Down The Guy Who Leaked The New Guns N' Roses Album?

from the just-wondering dept

There’s this whole “war on terror” thing going on out there, and you’d think that folks in the FBI would be pretty busy taking care of their role in that. But, apparently, some agents are busy trying to track down who leaked the latest Guns N’ Roses album online. Why? Well, because our various Attorneys General continue to think that music piracy really is funding terrorism while also a threat to our economy. However, it’s hard to believe that some random guy leaking an album is either going to have any impact on terrorism or on actual money made by Guns N’ Roses. The album was going to get online eventually. The fact that it was leaked isn’t going to change a thing about how much money the band makes. Yet, the FBI is apparently spending taxpayer money trying to track down the leaker.

Furthermore, it’s pretty obvious that the actual leaker was someone involved in the production of the album (who else would have a copy?). In fact, history has shown that insiders are responsible for plenty of entertainment industry leaks. If so, it would seem that this should be an internal issue, dealt with by the band, its record label and production staff, rather than involving the FBI, who if they must be policing infringement issues could at least go after ones that matter.

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Crosbie Fitch (profile) says:

Re: Re: Privy vs Theft

Nope, not sarcasm. Possibly exaggeration.

However, it’s pretty despicable to steal an artist’s work and publish it such that the market for their considerable labour is almost completely destroyed.

This is the difference between IP nihilism and IP naturalism. Both abhor copyright. Only one abhors IP theft.

Jiminy says:

Re: Re: Re: Privy vs Theft

Do you have an example of when, using the internet, “an artist’s work [was published] such that the market for their considerable labour is almost completely destroyed?”

I can cite an artist who sold a million copies of his album in one week, just seven days ago, and this was after the album was leaked (and re-done) twice, and with the actual final version leaked a week and a half before the album came out.

I’m interested in where you got this concept from.

Idiot Basher says:

Piracy DOES fund terrorism

Piracy does fund terrorism. That much is true. But it’s not P2P piracy funding anything.

The piracy funding terrorism is the large scale duplication of CD’s, DVD’s and software in other countries that is then sold at MUCH lower prices than legitimate copies.

RIAA and the MPAA are barking up the wrong tree, telling half truths to get their agenda pushed through. No one is making money from P2P. Except the RIAA’s lawyers and sell-out congressmen.

Fred says:

Response to editoral

I can understand the intolerance some may have for being in question. I am sure the Taliban must agree, as well. If Americans were to just let things be, and not questions so much, then the “terrorist” would soon be able to stop all the “infidels”, and satanic music. Then, I am confident some people would be much happier.

The Angry Intern says:

here's the question

Why does anyone care? it’s Guns’n’Roses, who were past their prime in the early 90s. And for that matter, it’s not really guns’n’roses, it’s Axel Rose with a bunch of other dudes since the original band have either retired or are doing something else. It’s not hard to see how this got leaked, Axel’s only been working on this new album for about 10 years.

Michael Long (user link) says:

Why is it "either or"?

Why does it always have to be one or the other? Rape and murder are important priorities for my local police department, but they still manage to cover robberies and assaults, handle DUIs, and give out parking and speeding tickets.

Amd since the FBI has 28,576 employees, two guys asking questions doesn’t seem to an overly egregious misuse of manpower.

Chris says:

Chinese Democracy

This album has actually been floating around the internet for several years. There has long been a joke about the album Chinese Democracy coming out around when China actually becomes a democracy. There’s 2 versions of this bootleg also, the first of which has the excellent guitarist Buckethead on it. The more recent one is basically a complete remake of the album. I doubt the blogger in question had any kind of inside connection with Guns N Roses, just do a simple search on Pirate Bay for Chinese Democracy and there’s plenty of people to get it from. I’m really not sure why this guy is being singled out, maybe just to be an example. Also, and rather ironically, the former Guns N Roses member Duff McKagen has released his current band’s newest album as a free download on the internet, which you can get here: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=99640

Lloyd Shugart (user link) says:

Thin Monoply does not equal a true monoply

Yes, indeed. Back in the days before there was a real understanding of the unintended and harmful consequences of monopolies.

REALLY……Mike….do you believe that they didn’t understand “True Monopolies” and their effects?

But, if you take a picture of the goat, you are awarded a monopoly on that picture. You are awarded a monopoly on that poem.

Are you the real Mike Masnik? Mike I can’t quite decide if you fail to understand “Copyright Law”, or you’re intentionally misleading the foolish. IDEAS don’t beget copyright nor patent protection, anyone is free to build upon the idea.

The most “Public Benefit” comes from the most works AVAILABLE, that doesn’t mean the most unfettered rights to copy. Intellectual advance is propelled by standing on the works that came before, to see farther, not a regurgitation of the same works. Abridgments of those existing works that are used in accordance, as learning/enjoyment tools are what round out that bargain. The failure to make secure the right will in fact lead to less productions, as creators will not continue to produce, nor make available what is produced.

This in my mind would then lead to a situation where creations are a production of large well capitalized corporations. This results in fewer rights holders, aggregating more properties. Where competition and price slide to antitrust issues.

Let me tell you I spent two years in a very intense photography program, where we were each given the same art directive, and compelled to shoot the same subject, based on the same approximate angle, camera lenses, and lighting plan, every day of the week due on the same day the following week. Then each student was required to mount on museum board their assignment, and put it on the critique-board, where upon each image was then critiqued by every student and the professor.

Now we each had to set the shot from scratch, not just walk up and load the 4X5 with a piece of film. The outcome….out of 30 images…. I never once saw the same image…they were all, the same subject…but each photographer added to the assignment his interpolation of the art directive. We all made distinct choices, in the exact angle of the camera and the various angles of the lighting sets, within the approximate angles that were assigned. As well as color and composition choices with in the set of the subject, and any elements that were added in as supporting cast. Now we each had to then process and print our film in the school dark rooms, where we again made additional choices as to the push/pull, temp-controls that change the density and contrast of the base film, as well as make the final print, using controls that we use under the enlarger….burning & dodging, contrast controls, masking, and paper choices.

Guess what, each photographer earned his copyright, and I would bet that in a court each photographer would only get the “Thin Monopoly” as intended under the copyright law, if one tried to claim infringement by the other

Lloyd Shugart (user link) says:

Re: Thin Monoply does not equal a true monoply

After reading and reflecting on the story at digital native. I wonder is it morals that are changing or is that society is changing so fast, that we can’t instill in those coming up those values that help people to make decisions based on fairness?

What is fairness now and how will it change in the future? Do we accept it as the new moral code? How will it translate to the many additional laws of society that we all depend on?

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/digitalnatives/2008/06/20/digital-natives-by-a-digital-native-from-germany/

To speak more generally (and not simply about German youth), teenagers at large don’t have an understanding of copyright and ownership of digital goods. They want to share, want to mix, and want to edit. They can’t understand why it is not okay to go to Wikipedia, print a page, and use it for a speech. Anyway, that’s how they still do it. Most of their created presentations are totally or partly rip-offs and plagiarism. But teachers – especially the older ones – simply fail to discover them, and so it’s not punished, and there are no consequences for the students. Although they know it’s illegal, they do it, just because they can and because they know nothing else. Besides the school-related illegal sharing, there are of course downloading and sharing of songs, movies and other stuff. I don’t know whether that is because students do not have the needed money for buying every interesting movie or just because those things are too expensive.

Lloyd Shugart (user link) says:

Society was developed on priciple of those that came before

Yet more to ponder…it seems Mike is upfront on what the trend is. But I question what the effects on society are and really will be?

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article4144585.ece
The average digital music player carries 1,770 songs, meaning that 48 per cent of the collection is copied illegally. The proportion of illegally downloaded tracks rises to 61 per cent among 14 to 17-year-olds. In addition, 14 per cent of CDs (one in seven) in a young person’s collection are copied.

mobiGeek says:

Re: Society was developed on priciple of those that came before

Yet more music is created, purchased, shared, concerts attended, live concerts (e.g. bar bands) performed, etc… than ever before. So what exactly do those statistics you quote prove?

I’ll leave aside questions as to the accuracy of those statistics, the foundation of them, etc…

mobiGeek says:

Re: hahhahaha

Lloyd, you have made some sweeping comments about society and large groups of individuals without providing much proof.

In my experience, talking directly to teenagers, they “get” technology WAY BETTER than us older folks. Yes, I can out code them, build more technically correct websites, run a better/cleaner/safer desktop…but when it comes to application of the technological tools (twitter, facebook, IM, SMS, P2P, Second Life, yada-yada-yada), they are much better networked and make big leaps between the social and informational uses of these technologies.

Please don’t take one article on one website and the comments of that one article by one very statistically biased audience as “proof” of your biases.

Lloyd Shugart (user link) says:

Re: Re: hahhahaha

Lloyd, you have made some sweeping comments about society and large groups of individuals without providing much proof.

mobi….go read http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20080625/0111221510#c465

Then re-read my post here http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20080625/0111221510#c649 and then follow and read the link in that post.

You will quickly see the error of your way, and after Mike does the same, he to shall.

Now if you really desire to understand my position read here , all of it http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2008/06/gender-and-copyright.html

In all I try not to Cheerlead my position on any…I just ponder questions, that go a little deeper

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