The only saving grace in this whole shameful affair is that at least interested parties have managed to get these super secret extension orders unsealed to confirm the truth in this case.
What we now see frankly disgusts me. This is nothing more than laziness, failure to follow the law, then a misplaced trust in the wrong people who then failed them.
Judge Margaret M. Morrow has acted shamefully in this case simply by rubber stamping their requests with no questions or consideration that ICE could be wrong. She has completely forgotten that the Justice system is independent from the Government and she does need to weigh the case through hearing both sides of this story. Sure the first extension was valid but with each extension she should place conditions to ensure that the case proceeds efficiently towards trial. Then when it was becoming clear that ICE was getting lazy over the case she should certainly have invited both sides to Court to plead their case. Instead due to her laziness she has turned the US Government into a dictatorship with her "Yes master let me rubber stamp anything you want and keep this ultra secret so no one knows"
Then ICE did even worse and not just because they listen to the damned RIAA without suitable evidence to conduct this raid. Or more correctly once the initial claims of the RIAA were proven false then they should have terrorised the hell of the RIAA with "prove mass infringement or bye bye case".
It is clear to see the Government has been pure lazy with their extension orders including making them sealed when they do not need to be. These are not acts by a Government that aims to be open and accountable. Then getting their extension orders late is yet more laziness. What is most shocking is that they well know the rules and here they are simply being too lazy to follow them. This situation is unacceptable leading to the conclusion to uphold the rule of law that their laziness must be punished. If not punished all that happens is that laziness and failure to follow the law becomes common and that does explain a lot.
The only people who seem to have acted valid in this Dajaz1 case is the RIAA who are well known to shoot first and to see if they have a valid victim second. False claims are quite natural in their technical incompetence and clearly their left hand does not even know what their right hand is doing. Dragging their feet and failing to admit mistakes are also two of their well known attributes. It is only a shame these maggots have wormed their way into the political and law enforcement systems.
The RIAA are scum and it does take quite a fool to believe them just like certain ICE members did. Then let us not forget that only one month following this Dajaz1.com domain return they went after MegaUpload instead. I have already seen enough of that case to spot more fools listening to MPAA/RIAA scum. I now only have one remaining hope in that case namely that the US Government... FOLLOWS THE BLOODY RULES!!!
I have had a check on those two porn movies and the most interesting part is this line under the copyright registration...
Copyright Claimant: Righthaven LLC, Transfer: By written agreement. Address: 9960 West Cheyenne Avenue, Suite 210, Las Vegas, NV, 89129-7701, United States.
I have to find this auction sale somewhat funny because in all these Court to Receiver ownership transfer documents there is no copy of this original "Written Agreement" which is the one critical document in all this to know what you have actually agreed to purchase.
So without being able to review that original rights transfer then the sale is trash. You only then have some memento sale where in this recession I would be surprised to see someone fork out $100 on this crap.
This good news and the earlier ACTA dies the better.
If I was to make a prediction then I believe the United States will end up being the only country that will ratify ACTA which would nationalize this International treaty.
My main concern in all this is that the Copyright Cartels will hold on to ACTA and say to other countries "we won't allow you to do what you want to do until you ratify ACTA when by not doing so your country is only a piracy haven for infringement"
The only way the Internet can remain global is through Independence, its own Government, and its own laws and courts. Anyone then entering the Internet then accepts that they enter a different country.
Either that or tell everyone who wants to twist and warp the Internet to their own perverted will to f-off.
I still remember the days when the Internet was cool and fun and no one cared what was going on provided on one damaged the network or was anti-sociable. Now we only have open Warfare with copyright mostly to blame.
As to pornography then that has mostly been expanding in one general direction of fairly standard media. From what I have seen this has mostly been enlightening in a new awareness that largely shifts the bounds of obscenity.
I would expect in a generation or two for general movies and TV programming to merge with pornography. They are already close in many discrete ways but they should eventually go with full scale banging as is appropriate to the creation. Actors and actresses will then be graded on more than acting talent not that popularity has that much to do with talent already.
So they have both been going to court but not within the same country. Her case filed in December is not yet closed, even if the Judge has made several rulings, then he has wanted Mr Bell to attend.
Well someone sure needs to get these two together in the same courtroom when a Judge only hearing one side of a story is stupid. Both claim copyright ownership on the same media and we already have an idea who the real owner is making these take-downs invalid.
You are very correct that he should go on to sue her in a US Federal Court armed with this ruling. If she is again no show then it can easily be enforced.
The problem is though that if she does challenge the case a new trial would have to be had. If she offers no justifiable excuse then sure they can bill her the $173,000 plus new lawyer costs.
They may also change the fine in light of new evidence.
Pride and arrogance are often their downfall. Andrew Crossley of ACS:Law was the same.
Their righteous pursuit of wrongdoers failed their beliefs, opponents ranked up only to be "termed them piracy supporters", and even the Judge turned into an enemy.
Only once broken with all their goals failed do they find some humility.
The public, except for very rare exceptions, should always be kept informed about the laws being proposed. TPP is even more critical when an international trade agreement is not complete without knowledge of its creation to clarify ambiguous points.
Well if they want to lock the public out again, and the technology experts, then we will only shoot it down again just like we did we SOPA, PIPA and soon ACTA.
It is clear to see here that this is only a power grab where they even bypass the WTO. So we fairly ask "can these people be trusted?" only to have all access denied. So the only conclusion is they would not be hiding things form us unless they did have anti-public and anti-Internet shady dealings to hide.
Then anyone who supports this anti-democratic status should have their names noted down and removed from their jobs.
If the US Citizens had any sense they would get tens to hundreds of thousands of themselves together, then visit this Spy Centre with the ideal tool of course, before pulling this entire fucking spy building apart and smashing it into tiny bits.
And what exactly would the Police do if vast volumes of citizens exorcised their democratic rights? It is a citizen's right to expect Anonymity and Privacy under the Bill of Rights which makes the NSA's entire operation extremely unlawful.
I don't even know what kind of deranged minds could ever believe that spying on the whole population, including their encrypted communication, is a valid thing to do. Are they running off on some ego power trip here while going FAP FAP FAP?
Oh well their goes my name and address flashed up on their computer screens with me then marked as a "possible terrorist"
Yes and that German court ruling so violates the European Court of Justice ruling that websites cannot be forced to fit a filter at their own expense.
Guess what court had the higher authority? So those German courts can make all the rulings they want but those judgements will be overturned when the case is taken to the European level.
The only way around this ECJ ruling is for GEMA to pay the millions involved in adding this filter and the annual charges in keeping it updated.
As GEMA won't welcome the bill then so is does that make an invalid court ruling waiting to be overturned. RapidShare will not get a filter any time soon when current take-down methods are cheaper.
Nice theory but there were three factors in this sub-prime housing market collapse.
First is that anyone who has read the history of the Great Depression would well understand why the Government helped to save they banks. They are all connected with loans an debts and to let them collapse causes a chain reaction across the entire market until hundreds are no more.
Second is that Congress is directly responsible for making an already bad situation into a disaster. During boom time they made a law that forced banks to provide mortgages to risky customers under the idea that "every American should have the right to own a home"
Then we have the fuse that kicked this all off in mortgage payments going up while house prices fell. Soon home owners realised that their mortgage had a higher value than what their house was worth. So many just said screw it and gave the bank their house to then find better value in a cheap market.
Last of all when boom time ends and recession starts then this is often when people load up in debt with loans and credit cards. So they had to restrict their spending causing further market problems, some defaulted causing more bank problems, then the whole loan market got so bad that loans and mortgages dried up.
Nothing matters more to a healthy economy than the smooth flow of money and life sucks when that money slows down or stops.
While it is true that mostly all devices are harmless imagine if one person tampered with their device in their basement and it now spews out signals that would crash the plane.
An all off rule avoids that situation. Then if a really bad device caused a plane malfunction in the air then the pilot have plenty of time to scream out "all devices off" while the fly is falling out of the sky.
Now I am not saying it is not extremely extremely unlikely for this to happen but why even take that risk instead of waiting a few minutes?
The only exception I would like to permit would be cameras that have no transmitter built in. I have before enjoyed recording the take off or landing on video.
I fully agree. Society though does maintain laws that hinder a polygamous relationship.
Like here in the UK there is a law that says that a man who have several wives can only ever bring his FIRST WIFE into the country. This makes visa matters can get quite complex.
Then of course it is unlawful for a man to marry a woman while being married to another woman. I do not know of any law to punish a man for simply trying. Then they tend not to act on the bigamy law if everyone is happy.
To comply with the law a man usually marries and divorces one woman at a time. The women are happy with their wedding day, their man's surname, then no one outside the Government needs to know about the divorce part. That tends to take around 2 to 5 years per wife.
I did not call you any names when I only faulted the data that you presented. Yes it may be the only one around without a moral/religious basis but it still comes to a highly questionable conclusion of social breakdown.
Society does usually fault things that are different and what they do not understand.
As I said society is by default monogamous when women do not often like to share a man. They are raised with a very monogamous dream of one to one love with a private marriage and family. Having their man bed another women is usually classed as betrayal.
There are of course some exceptions when many women have been failed or hurt by men where they simply need a good man and a happy life. Should they find their good man then they can choose to share once they see that the love and devotion they need is safe. That is not the only reason when bisexual women tend to be keen being able to go to bed with both genders. They do value a man's honesty and they can also understand what makes a man happy.
I also see many women who believe in a traditional family life and want a man to support them while they maintain a home and raise a family. So provided they get their good caring man and happy family then they can tolerate their man taking a swim in another woman's pool. Life can be harsh and it never turns out the way you expect which allows room to be flexible.
I do believe in being honest and even their parents can understand if allowed to. They have seen what their daughter has gone through themselves, their hard life, the previous men who hurt them, and once they get to know me, the good man I am, and the serious loving relationship, then they can be happy because their daughter is happy. They can then understand and accept if a man wants several wives.
One thing I can say is that polygamy it not easy. To be where I am now a man needs to be highly intelligent, have good knowledge on what makes a woman tick, being able to spot opportunities and of course being a very good man so women do like you. It is a lot of hard work, time and money then you need to aim for balance and fairness.
Then comes the reward of having deeply loving sexual relationships with several women. For a horny man like me that is blissful happiness in this cruel world.
Even in the Muslim world of up to 4 wives there is never a "lot" and they often do monogamy to a very high degree.
The flaw in this polygamy Universe is that modern women are empowered and they often have no desire to share a man. Indeed in this modern socialist world women don't even need a man at all beyond sexual needs and many of those can still go mechanical.
I call that the "social ego" when they have a list of what makes their ideal world and they do not have any reason to tolerate less. I am already very sure that if you tried to turn a country polygamous, and make monogamy unlawful, then it would be total disaster.
This is not to forget the more women a man has the higher the cost involved to support them through life including a family so there are certainly limits.
Should a country suffer the stated polygamy issue then let us not forget that a whole World exists. Men can still find women in other countries and that is very easy these days within the European Union.
I do not see we need laws against polygamy. Society is monogamous with polygamy the exception. A relationship should never switch though from monogamy to polygamy without the consent of both.
Again I point out that I already do polygamy and laws are only a hindrance and stop me none. If I can do this then so can others and you may care to note that society has not collapsed into sexually frustrated suicide bombers.
So I would class that as a totally false conclusion, based on poor social understanding, and ends in muck raking slander. The same as when I heard one Canadian judge say that children made under polygamy get neglected. That would be "over my dead body". :-)
I would shocked if the hoped cause was true in that the "for change" were scoring the higher vote so the person counting added more votes to the "reject change" to have them win.
Should not this voting include their names so we can see exactly who voted what way? We can then see if any names appear twice or if some strange "billy bo jim bob" name slips in there.
Another vote is certainly required. I hope they do change orphaned works law when currently this media is useless and used by no one. If freely used this would better help the owner to come forwards.
My point was that the Bible contains many mentions of polygamy and never once did God condemn it. I did notice a couple of recommended points in there.
So if people read the scriptures then why not follow what the belief in what those words say? That is the whole basis of religion and no one has the lawful right force others to change their beliefs.
Even the Quran is very pro-polygamy concluding that a man should have up to 4 wives. So we are starting to run off on a common religious theme here. Most Muslims stick to one I should add. :-)
The big cultural reason for monogamy is that polygamy has often been unfair to women and hurtful if misused.
They call themselves Mormons and live as a sub-group of this religion and they are certainly recognized within their own communities.
Well whatever others say about them they have certainly stood up for their beliefs despite the law.
In case you are interested research what the OT and NT (Bible) say about polygamy. Maybe then you will see who follows the true religion and who twists the scriptures to match their own agenda.
Lazy Crazy
The only saving grace in this whole shameful affair is that at least interested parties have managed to get these super secret extension orders unsealed to confirm the truth in this case.
What we now see frankly disgusts me. This is nothing more than laziness, failure to follow the law, then a misplaced trust in the wrong people who then failed them.
Judge Margaret M. Morrow has acted shamefully in this case simply by rubber stamping their requests with no questions or consideration that ICE could be wrong. She has completely forgotten that the Justice system is independent from the Government and she does need to weigh the case through hearing both sides of this story. Sure the first extension was valid but with each extension she should place conditions to ensure that the case proceeds efficiently towards trial. Then when it was becoming clear that ICE was getting lazy over the case she should certainly have invited both sides to Court to plead their case. Instead due to her laziness she has turned the US Government into a dictatorship with her "Yes master let me rubber stamp anything you want and keep this ultra secret so no one knows"
Then ICE did even worse and not just because they listen to the damned RIAA without suitable evidence to conduct this raid. Or more correctly once the initial claims of the RIAA were proven false then they should have terrorised the hell of the RIAA with "prove mass infringement or bye bye case".
It is clear to see the Government has been pure lazy with their extension orders including making them sealed when they do not need to be. These are not acts by a Government that aims to be open and accountable. Then getting their extension orders late is yet more laziness. What is most shocking is that they well know the rules and here they are simply being too lazy to follow them. This situation is unacceptable leading to the conclusion to uphold the rule of law that their laziness must be punished. If not punished all that happens is that laziness and failure to follow the law becomes common and that does explain a lot.
The only people who seem to have acted valid in this Dajaz1 case is the RIAA who are well known to shoot first and to see if they have a valid victim second. False claims are quite natural in their technical incompetence and clearly their left hand does not even know what their right hand is doing. Dragging their feet and failing to admit mistakes are also two of their well known attributes. It is only a shame these maggots have wormed their way into the political and law enforcement systems.
The RIAA are scum and it does take quite a fool to believe them just like certain ICE members did. Then let us not forget that only one month following this Dajaz1.com domain return they went after MegaUpload instead. I have already seen enough of that case to spot more fools listening to MPAA/RIAA scum. I now only have one remaining hope in that case namely that the US Government... FOLLOWS THE BLOODY RULES!!!
Dodgy Porn
I have had a check on those two porn movies and the most interesting part is this line under the copyright registration...
Copyright Claimant: Righthaven LLC, Transfer: By written agreement. Address: 9960 West Cheyenne Avenue, Suite 210, Las Vegas, NV, 89129-7701, United States.
I have to find this auction sale somewhat funny because in all these Court to Receiver ownership transfer documents there is no copy of this original "Written Agreement" which is the one critical document in all this to know what you have actually agreed to purchase.
So without being able to review that original rights transfer then the sale is trash. You only then have some memento sale where in this recession I would be surprised to see someone fork out $100 on this crap.
Hopes & fears
This good news and the earlier ACTA dies the better.
If I was to make a prediction then I believe the United States will end up being the only country that will ratify ACTA which would nationalize this International treaty.
My main concern in all this is that the Copyright Cartels will hold on to ACTA and say to other countries "we won't allow you to do what you want to do until you ratify ACTA when by not doing so your country is only a piracy haven for infringement"
Various
The only way the Internet can remain global is through Independence, its own Government, and its own laws and courts. Anyone then entering the Internet then accepts that they enter a different country.
Either that or tell everyone who wants to twist and warp the Internet to their own perverted will to f-off.
I still remember the days when the Internet was cool and fun and no one cared what was going on provided on one damaged the network or was anti-sociable. Now we only have open Warfare with copyright mostly to blame.
As to pornography then that has mostly been expanding in one general direction of fairly standard media. From what I have seen this has mostly been enlightening in a new awareness that largely shifts the bounds of obscenity.
I would expect in a generation or two for general movies and TV programming to merge with pornography. They are already close in many discrete ways but they should eventually go with full scale banging as is appropriate to the creation. Actors and actresses will then be graded on more than acting talent not that popularity has that much to do with talent already.
Re:
So they have both been going to court but not within the same country. Her case filed in December is not yet closed, even if the Judge has made several rulings, then he has wanted Mr Bell to attend.
Well someone sure needs to get these two together in the same courtroom when a Judge only hearing one side of a story is stupid. Both claim copyright ownership on the same media and we already have an idea who the real owner is making these take-downs invalid.
Re:
You are very correct that he should go on to sue her in a US Federal Court armed with this ruling. If she is again no show then it can easily be enforced.
The problem is though that if she does challenge the case a new trial would have to be had. If she offers no justifiable excuse then sure they can bill her the $173,000 plus new lawyer costs.
They may also change the fine in light of new evidence.
Sins & Virtues
Pride and arrogance are often their downfall. Andrew Crossley of ACS:Law was the same.
Their righteous pursuit of wrongdoers failed their beliefs, opponents ranked up only to be "termed them piracy supporters", and even the Judge turned into an enemy.
Only once broken with all their goals failed do they find some humility.
Shady Dealings
The public, except for very rare exceptions, should always be kept informed about the laws being proposed. TPP is even more critical when an international trade agreement is not complete without knowledge of its creation to clarify ambiguous points.
Well if they want to lock the public out again, and the technology experts, then we will only shoot it down again just like we did we SOPA, PIPA and soon ACTA.
It is clear to see here that this is only a power grab where they even bypass the WTO. So we fairly ask "can these people be trusted?" only to have all access denied. So the only conclusion is they would not be hiding things form us unless they did have anti-public and anti-Internet shady dealings to hide.
Then anyone who supports this anti-democratic status should have their names noted down and removed from their jobs.
Smashing fun
If the US Citizens had any sense they would get tens to hundreds of thousands of themselves together, then visit this Spy Centre with the ideal tool of course, before pulling this entire fucking spy building apart and smashing it into tiny bits.
And what exactly would the Police do if vast volumes of citizens exorcised their democratic rights? It is a citizen's right to expect Anonymity and Privacy under the Bill of Rights which makes the NSA's entire operation extremely unlawful.
I don't even know what kind of deranged minds could ever believe that spying on the whole population, including their encrypted communication, is a valid thing to do. Are they running off on some ego power trip here while going FAP FAP FAP?
Oh well their goes my name and address flashed up on their computer screens with me then marked as a "possible terrorist"
Re:
Yes and that German court ruling so violates the European Court of Justice ruling that websites cannot be forced to fit a filter at their own expense.
Guess what court had the higher authority? So those German courts can make all the rulings they want but those judgements will be overturned when the case is taken to the European level.
The only way around this ECJ ruling is for GEMA to pay the millions involved in adding this filter and the annual charges in keeping it updated.
As GEMA won't welcome the bill then so is does that make an invalid court ruling waiting to be overturned. RapidShare will not get a filter any time soon when current take-down methods are cheaper.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Double Standard
Nice theory but there were three factors in this sub-prime housing market collapse.
First is that anyone who has read the history of the Great Depression would well understand why the Government helped to save they banks. They are all connected with loans an debts and to let them collapse causes a chain reaction across the entire market until hundreds are no more.
Second is that Congress is directly responsible for making an already bad situation into a disaster. During boom time they made a law that forced banks to provide mortgages to risky customers under the idea that "every American should have the right to own a home"
Then we have the fuse that kicked this all off in mortgage payments going up while house prices fell. Soon home owners realised that their mortgage had a higher value than what their house was worth. So many just said screw it and gave the bank their house to then find better value in a cheap market.
Last of all when boom time ends and recession starts then this is often when people load up in debt with loans and credit cards. So they had to restrict their spending causing further market problems, some defaulted causing more bank problems, then the whole loan market got so bad that loans and mortgages dried up.
Nothing matters more to a healthy economy than the smooth flow of money and life sucks when that money slows down or stops.
Crashing
They are just doing an all electronics off rule.
While it is true that mostly all devices are harmless imagine if one person tampered with their device in their basement and it now spews out signals that would crash the plane.
An all off rule avoids that situation. Then if a really bad device caused a plane malfunction in the air then the pilot have plenty of time to scream out "all devices off" while the fly is falling out of the sky.
Now I am not saying it is not extremely extremely unlikely for this to happen but why even take that risk instead of waiting a few minutes?
The only exception I would like to permit would be cameras that have no transmitter built in. I have before enjoyed recording the take off or landing on video.
Re: Re: Other than Jewish/Christian Religious Traditions...
I fully agree. Society though does maintain laws that hinder a polygamous relationship.
Like here in the UK there is a law that says that a man who have several wives can only ever bring his FIRST WIFE into the country. This makes visa matters can get quite complex.
Then of course it is unlawful for a man to marry a woman while being married to another woman. I do not know of any law to punish a man for simply trying. Then they tend not to act on the bigamy law if everyone is happy.
To comply with the law a man usually marries and divorces one woman at a time. The women are happy with their wedding day, their man's surname, then no one outside the Government needs to know about the divorce part. That tends to take around 2 to 5 years per wife.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Other than Jewish/Christian Religious Traditions...
I did not call you any names when I only faulted the data that you presented. Yes it may be the only one around without a moral/religious basis but it still comes to a highly questionable conclusion of social breakdown.
Society does usually fault things that are different and what they do not understand.
As I said society is by default monogamous when women do not often like to share a man. They are raised with a very monogamous dream of one to one love with a private marriage and family. Having their man bed another women is usually classed as betrayal.
There are of course some exceptions when many women have been failed or hurt by men where they simply need a good man and a happy life. Should they find their good man then they can choose to share once they see that the love and devotion they need is safe. That is not the only reason when bisexual women tend to be keen being able to go to bed with both genders. They do value a man's honesty and they can also understand what makes a man happy.
I also see many women who believe in a traditional family life and want a man to support them while they maintain a home and raise a family. So provided they get their good caring man and happy family then they can tolerate their man taking a swim in another woman's pool. Life can be harsh and it never turns out the way you expect which allows room to be flexible.
I do believe in being honest and even their parents can understand if allowed to. They have seen what their daughter has gone through themselves, their hard life, the previous men who hurt them, and once they get to know me, the good man I am, and the serious loving relationship, then they can be happy because their daughter is happy. They can then understand and accept if a man wants several wives.
One thing I can say is that polygamy it not easy. To be where I am now a man needs to be highly intelligent, have good knowledge on what makes a woman tick, being able to spot opportunities and of course being a very good man so women do like you. It is a lot of hard work, time and money then you need to aim for balance and fairness.
Then comes the reward of having deeply loving sexual relationships with several women. For a horny man like me that is blissful happiness in this cruel world.
Re: Re: Other than Jewish/Christian Religious Traditions...
Even in the Muslim world of up to 4 wives there is never a "lot" and they often do monogamy to a very high degree.
The flaw in this polygamy Universe is that modern women are empowered and they often have no desire to share a man. Indeed in this modern socialist world women don't even need a man at all beyond sexual needs and many of those can still go mechanical.
I call that the "social ego" when they have a list of what makes their ideal world and they do not have any reason to tolerate less. I am already very sure that if you tried to turn a country polygamous, and make monogamy unlawful, then it would be total disaster.
This is not to forget the more women a man has the higher the cost involved to support them through life including a family so there are certainly limits.
Should a country suffer the stated polygamy issue then let us not forget that a whole World exists. Men can still find women in other countries and that is very easy these days within the European Union.
I do not see we need laws against polygamy. Society is monogamous with polygamy the exception. A relationship should never switch though from monogamy to polygamy without the consent of both.
Again I point out that I already do polygamy and laws are only a hindrance and stop me none. If I can do this then so can others and you may care to note that society has not collapsed into sexually frustrated suicide bombers.
So I would class that as a totally false conclusion, based on poor social understanding, and ends in muck raking slander. The same as when I heard one Canadian judge say that children made under polygamy get neglected. That would be "over my dead body". :-)
Orphans
I would shocked if the hoped cause was true in that the "for change" were scoring the higher vote so the person counting added more votes to the "reject change" to have them win.
Should not this voting include their names so we can see exactly who voted what way? We can then see if any names appear twice or if some strange "billy bo jim bob" name slips in there.
Another vote is certainly required. I hope they do change orphaned works law when currently this media is useless and used by no one. If freely used this would better help the owner to come forwards.
Re: Re: Re:
Then during the browsing of her photos she noticed their wedding day photos.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One to many
Obviously...
My point was that the Bible contains many mentions of polygamy and never once did God condemn it. I did notice a couple of recommended points in there.
So if people read the scriptures then why not follow what the belief in what those words say? That is the whole basis of religion and no one has the lawful right force others to change their beliefs.
Even the Quran is very pro-polygamy concluding that a man should have up to 4 wives. So we are starting to run off on a common religious theme here. Most Muslims stick to one I should add. :-)
The big cultural reason for monogamy is that polygamy has often been unfair to women and hurtful if misused.
Re: Re: Re: One to many
You got it right. Full details here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalist_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-Day_Saints
Those 10,000 members will sure fill a lot of churches. I should keep in mind they are LDS now.
Re: Re: Re: Re: One to many
They call themselves Mormons and live as a sub-group of this religion and they are certainly recognized within their own communities.
Well whatever others say about them they have certainly stood up for their beliefs despite the law.
In case you are interested research what the OT and NT (Bible) say about polygamy. Maybe then you will see who follows the true religion and who twists the scriptures to match their own agenda.