Let us keep in mind that high on the Copyright Cartel's wish list is the ability to completely by-pass the WTO. That was indeed a large part of ACTA to form their own international club filled full of the very worst copyright enforcements ideas, along with the ability unify national copyright laws into one unified international copyright law, subject to their sole desires.
Instead what you have here is the US empowering their Embassy in the Ukraine to summon high ranking Government officials and then threatening trade sanctions against the Ukraine should not radical reform of their copyright laws be soon achieved. Unfortunately officials do much fear being held responsible for US trade sanctions and quickly fold where details of such backroom deals rarely become public. None has ever yet turned to the WTO for protection and few realise that the US actioning trade sanctions on an EU country can soon have the entire EU respond with their own united sanctions.
So the US is really in a losing position but since they have a history of winning then this shows what bullying the threats can achieve. Yes I am sorry to say before the year is up that the Ukraine is likely to roll out hash new enforcement measures.
The Police cannot take away your phone without a Court order to seize it. One of those two did refuse to hand it over and so was not allowed to leave for about 6hrs until such a Court order arrived.
Long enough for a lawyer to do some damage I am sure. If you are being detained the Police refusing to allow you to contact a lawyer seems another violation. Others could also contact a lawyer on your behalf when you still have a voice.
I also highly doubt the Police can arrest a witness in such a situation. This could be in front of family and friends and to arrest them for wanting their rights under the law?
Sure if you can backup the data it should be done as quickly as possible but my point is about if the Police arrive early and deny you using your phone before you can. So this is all about protecting the evidence from people who wish it deleted.
Certainly at nearly 2am this is a very bad time for both lawyers and judges. I am sure though it would not take long for one to understand your urgency and to know who exactly to contact to put a certain seizure order on hold.
The only other method I can think of is if you have the numbers to over-power the Police to allow you the time to complete the backup. A very risky move though most likely ending in mass beatings and arrests but maybe one backup.
I am well aware what you said and your point but here you are trying to make out all they did was quite reasonable. So the Police beat a guy to death and then on purpose delete the video evidence, twice.
I am sure everyone involved wants the truth to come out and the whole truth. Is not deleting the video evidence not trying to hide the truth? Is it not better for them to be open and honest and to follow the rules?
Unlike the days of Rodney King technology has now much improved where cameras are everywhere. Then damned right for the FBI to be involved when the Police just proved themselves untrustworthy. That fact won't make the public happy.
Let us keep in mind that while recovery is quite possible the person who did this may have had the smarts to write over all the blank memory area making recovery impossible.
Still such mass memory erasing should also leave its mark providing evidence of another kind.
I would believe that they need to hear the results of the first autopsy before they need to consider another. I can't say how independent from the Police the pathologist is but they have no reason to neglect their duty. After all if two autopsies largely varied big questions would be asked.
I would believe that they need to hear the results of the first autopsy before they need to consider another. I can't say how independent from the Police the pathologist is but they have no reason to neglect their duty. After all if two autopsies largely varied big questions would be asked.
In the Rodney King case there is no justification to beat him like that where Police Officers can only use the required force to ensure an arrest. As a result it was unprofessional if not unlawful.
Yes they did let them go. We can recall what happened next as half of LA went up in flames. The law is not just about the words of law when a Judge also needs to show that Justice is done where LA burned because Justice was not done. The discontent and anarchy in LA causing millions of dollars of damage became their Jury to judge them and guilty was their verdict. We can also recall who soon went to jail on public choice.
I will remind you that deleting video evidence is so extremely unprofessional and unlawful that any officer who does such should be immediately fired.
Filming officers doing their duty is allowed by order of the Court and a good reason for them to be professional. I am sure some do not like it but as long as it does not hinder their duty then they cannot interfere except by polite request.
Then should they wish to counter public opinion then be open and honest. You may note once seized the videos had no chance of going public so they only deleted evidence which could convict them.
Now that was a good choice move by Sheriff Youngblood when clearly there is an on-going cover up in the department. We can hope the FBI can recover these video recordings when once deleted they may still be available if not overwrote.
This is indeed a disgusting case so these Police Officers hanged around and totally abuse a Court seizure order so that they could delete the evidence against them.
I should point out the obvious when if the FBI investigation shows video deletion while in Police control then the Police Officers involved should be immediately fired. There should never be any excuse for deleting evidence.
I don't know about you but had it been my phone that captured this then I would say "sure you can have the phone but let me back-up the data first". Should they refuse I would soon have a lawyer make an emergency Court appeal to not place the evidence into hands of the perpetrators. Revoke the seizure order and to hand the phone to the Judge directly under assurance of evidence safety. Always in legal hard ball you need to fight strongly and not just sit there and take what they give you.
Well this is a truly disgusting case where having both videos deleted clearly shows tampering. We can only hope these videos are recovered so that we can all see what really happened. From what the witnesses have said though this is little more than Police Officers committing murder.
There was no defence offered in that case meaning no wisdom or logic seen. The Judge said the above simply to try and validate his order to block the sites.
I think we should keep an eye on Judge Beryl Howell and if she continues to preform poorly to appeal to Congress to have her position revoked pointing out every flawed ruling.
Still there may be a nice place for her outside IP law when she has made some good calls like on minimum wage rights.
This appeal will be make the most easy appeal win in the entire history of appeal wins.
AF Holdings have already been implication in fraud against the Court and now subject to RICO and IRS investigations. No Court will now desire to assist them in possible criminal acts.
We know Judge Beryl Howell was put in place to progress this War on Infringement. Since she is not good in following the law then other Judges have an easy time ruling against her.
So here are all the rest rushing in to dine on the remains of AF Holding where it is a very easy kill.
There is already a world for Indie musicians but the problem is the old industry are still the gatekeepers. Lets see them try to appear on the TV or Radio even if they were very popular.
Sure they can have their music play in nightclubs etc but again GEMA is the only authorised collection agency.
Monopolies are very bad for the music industry where the problem is musicians can only gain extra opportunities through signing away their rights.
There are then many tales of woe as the industry rapes and trashes the musicians. Like one case I heard of where the record label closed down invalidating all contracts while the music copyrights were then sold on to a new label who could then sell the music while paying the musicians zero.
The industry is corrupt to the core where the only logical step is the trash the whole system and then to start afresh for a new digital age based on musician rights and fairness.
Mostly all websites like YouTube refuse to work with GEMA when they are too unreasonable and their fees too extreme. As a result GEMA is making a large loss from the Web when local citizens just by-pass these German limits.
So there is GEMA wanting to rebalance this loss through raping music venues and nightclubs in extreme new changes where it is little surprise that this market freaked out.
Naturally everyone hates GEMA when by not cutting fair deals the public can't see the music videos they want to see and the musicians are not being paid.
I also can't see how any musician could welcome a 10% income drop just to give it to more popular musicians. I can't even think of an industry that works the same way when that is like "Fred you did a good job building this hotel and here is your wages but we cut out 10% to give to this famous bridge builder instead!"
Well in conclusion people can sit in the toilet and squeeze out a better smelling collection agency than what GEMA is.
Politicians are common liars where I am sure they would also claim to 4-year old terrorists in kindergarden had this made some point to support their cause.
There is no organized criminal gangs in the file sharing community where there is no profit to be made. If anything free media has gone a long way to wipe out counterfeiting when people wont buy second rate crap if they can get it themselves.
I have been a part of file sharing in past years and these are simply home users enjoying media. One day they get asked to help out with some distribution job. Should they be successful then sure they can be sucked up deeper into the community. Then if you look at the core then simply no one can be there who does not work hard for little more than free credits and respect.
I did think the MAFIAA realises this fact when no one beyond AFACT goes and calls infringers as "terrorists". Unfortunately they are more likely to get infringement listed under the counterfeiting label.
Anyway guess who has a political agenda and will make up rubbish to drive that home.
It gets worse when you realise that the last Judge who ordered KAT, Fenopy and H33t to be blocked directly said that rights holders do not need to comply with the DMCA & EUCD when take-down notices are simply too much hassle.
The law can be ignored if it is too much hassle? So one commercial business can censor away rivals? Where those rivals have never been convicted of any wrongdoing?
Welcome to the UK where such censorship is quite normal. I can only hope this time a strong defence can be made headed by Grooveshark and backed up by ISPs and more. The latest OFCOM report gives them some good ammo this time.
Yet more hypocrisy by the copyright cartels having the highest paid executives around. Had the industry really been going through a hard time then leadership begins with a personal salary cut to say "hey workers, hard time, but we are all in this together".
The USA is a strange place when they treat their movie stars like us British treat our Royalty. Acting in the UK is largely different when it is just a job commanding a fair wage and where indeed many can boost their income by adding pantomime and such.
Well fame is a disease and much of the movie and music world is all about making stars. Sure pay them a fortune not because they are worth the wage but because fame and fortune gets the young and foolish dreaming to follow in their footsteps. They even tap the wages of the more minor workers just to make their one true glamorous star even richer.
With monopolies raping the market at extreme prices then sure a lot of money goes around. I have always believe there must be huge wastage in the industry where movie budget growths seem to confirm this.
You are making the false assumption that all big media spenders are pirates which is totally false.
People who do not infringe have their high and low spenders also where the general average works out at £54 over six months.
Again casual infringers have high and low spenders with the average of £105 over six months a 94.4% sales boost.
Then heavy infringers have both high spenders and total freeloaders as the report makes clear where there average is £168 over six months a 211% sales boost.
Trying to make out that all media lovers become pirates is stupid when it is just that pirates with a far larger media exposure get far more engaged instead of going out and playing sports or socializing or such.
The MAFIAA shills come out to play with their constant flawed logic.
Shoplifting causes actual financial loss due to physical goods theft. Also shoplifters simply won't be their biggest customers and no report would say such.
Infringers only copy so nothing is lost beyond a potential sale but look-see here a detailed report that proves that this free viewing causes a 200% sales boost. The potential sale becomes an actual sale but one more informed and selective about what they like.
Your move MAFIAA. Are you still going to attack file sharing proving to all you care only about control while risking a 200% sales drop from this group worth millions? Or are you going to work with us to give the public what they really want... a free trading consumer market. Would not your sales then increase?
Bullying
Let us keep in mind that high on the Copyright Cartel's wish list is the ability to completely by-pass the WTO. That was indeed a large part of ACTA to form their own international club filled full of the very worst copyright enforcements ideas, along with the ability unify national copyright laws into one unified international copyright law, subject to their sole desires.
Instead what you have here is the US empowering their Embassy in the Ukraine to summon high ranking Government officials and then threatening trade sanctions against the Ukraine should not radical reform of their copyright laws be soon achieved. Unfortunately officials do much fear being held responsible for US trade sanctions and quickly fold where details of such backroom deals rarely become public. None has ever yet turned to the WTO for protection and few realise that the US actioning trade sanctions on an EU country can soon have the entire EU respond with their own united sanctions.
So the US is really in a losing position but since they have a history of winning then this shows what bullying the threats can achieve. Yes I am sorry to say before the year is up that the Ukraine is likely to roll out hash new enforcement measures.
Re: Re: Shame
The Police cannot take away your phone without a Court order to seize it. One of those two did refuse to hand it over and so was not allowed to leave for about 6hrs until such a Court order arrived.
Long enough for a lawyer to do some damage I am sure. If you are being detained the Police refusing to allow you to contact a lawyer seems another violation. Others could also contact a lawyer on your behalf when you still have a voice.
I also highly doubt the Police can arrest a witness in such a situation. This could be in front of family and friends and to arrest them for wanting their rights under the law?
Sure if you can backup the data it should be done as quickly as possible but my point is about if the Police arrive early and deny you using your phone before you can. So this is all about protecting the evidence from people who wish it deleted.
Certainly at nearly 2am this is a very bad time for both lawyers and judges. I am sure though it would not take long for one to understand your urgency and to know who exactly to contact to put a certain seizure order on hold.
The only other method I can think of is if you have the numbers to over-power the Police to allow you the time to complete the backup. A very risky move though most likely ending in mass beatings and arrests but maybe one backup.
Re: Re: Re: The trouble with footage
I am well aware what you said and your point but here you are trying to make out all they did was quite reasonable. So the Police beat a guy to death and then on purpose delete the video evidence, twice.
I am sure everyone involved wants the truth to come out and the whole truth. Is not deleting the video evidence not trying to hide the truth? Is it not better for them to be open and honest and to follow the rules?
Unlike the days of Rodney King technology has now much improved where cameras are everywhere. Then damned right for the FBI to be involved when the Police just proved themselves untrustworthy. That fact won't make the public happy.
Re: Re: Re:
Let us keep in mind that while recovery is quite possible the person who did this may have had the smarts to write over all the blank memory area making recovery impossible.
Still such mass memory erasing should also leave its mark providing evidence of another kind.
Re:
When the Police do it then cities burn.
Re: Re:
I would believe that they need to hear the results of the first autopsy before they need to consider another. I can't say how independent from the Police the pathologist is but they have no reason to neglect their duty. After all if two autopsies largely varied big questions would be asked.
Re: Re:
I would believe that they need to hear the results of the first autopsy before they need to consider another. I can't say how independent from the Police the pathologist is but they have no reason to neglect their duty. After all if two autopsies largely varied big questions would be asked.
Re: The trouble with footage
In the Rodney King case there is no justification to beat him like that where Police Officers can only use the required force to ensure an arrest. As a result it was unprofessional if not unlawful.
Yes they did let them go. We can recall what happened next as half of LA went up in flames. The law is not just about the words of law when a Judge also needs to show that Justice is done where LA burned because Justice was not done. The discontent and anarchy in LA causing millions of dollars of damage became their Jury to judge them and guilty was their verdict. We can also recall who soon went to jail on public choice.
I will remind you that deleting video evidence is so extremely unprofessional and unlawful that any officer who does such should be immediately fired.
Filming officers doing their duty is allowed by order of the Court and a good reason for them to be professional. I am sure some do not like it but as long as it does not hinder their duty then they cannot interfere except by polite request.
Then should they wish to counter public opinion then be open and honest. You may note once seized the videos had no chance of going public so they only deleted evidence which could convict them.
Shame
Now that was a good choice move by Sheriff Youngblood when clearly there is an on-going cover up in the department. We can hope the FBI can recover these video recordings when once deleted they may still be available if not overwrote.
This is indeed a disgusting case so these Police Officers hanged around and totally abuse a Court seizure order so that they could delete the evidence against them.
I should point out the obvious when if the FBI investigation shows video deletion while in Police control then the Police Officers involved should be immediately fired. There should never be any excuse for deleting evidence.
I don't know about you but had it been my phone that captured this then I would say "sure you can have the phone but let me back-up the data first". Should they refuse I would soon have a lawyer make an emergency Court appeal to not place the evidence into hands of the perpetrators. Revoke the seizure order and to hand the phone to the Judge directly under assurance of evidence safety. Always in legal hard ball you need to fight strongly and not just sit there and take what they give you.
Well this is a truly disgusting case where having both videos deleted clearly shows tampering. We can only hope these videos are recovered so that we can all see what really happened. From what the witnesses have said though this is little more than Police Officers committing murder.
Re: Re: Denied seeing
There was no defence offered in that case meaning no wisdom or logic seen. The Judge said the above simply to try and validate his order to block the sites.
Re:
I think we should keep an eye on Judge Beryl Howell and if she continues to preform poorly to appeal to Congress to have her position revoked pointing out every flawed ruling.
Still there may be a nice place for her outside IP law when she has made some good calls like on minimum wage rights.
Slaughter
This appeal will be make the most easy appeal win in the entire history of appeal wins.
AF Holdings have already been implication in fraud against the Court and now subject to RICO and IRS investigations. No Court will now desire to assist them in possible criminal acts.
We know Judge Beryl Howell was put in place to progress this War on Infringement. Since she is not good in following the law then other Judges have an easy time ruling against her.
So here are all the rest rushing in to dine on the remains of AF Holding where it is a very easy kill.
Re: Not only GEMA
There is already a world for Indie musicians but the problem is the old industry are still the gatekeepers. Lets see them try to appear on the TV or Radio even if they were very popular.
Sure they can have their music play in nightclubs etc but again GEMA is the only authorised collection agency.
Monopolies are very bad for the music industry where the problem is musicians can only gain extra opportunities through signing away their rights.
There are then many tales of woe as the industry rapes and trashes the musicians. Like one case I heard of where the record label closed down invalidating all contracts while the music copyrights were then sold on to a new label who could then sell the music while paying the musicians zero.
The industry is corrupt to the core where the only logical step is the trash the whole system and then to start afresh for a new digital age based on musician rights and fairness.
Re:
The industry did come close to collapse but thankfully GEMA rolled back their new charges.
Da Shit
GEMA is really the worst collection agency ever.
Mostly all websites like YouTube refuse to work with GEMA when they are too unreasonable and their fees too extreme. As a result GEMA is making a large loss from the Web when local citizens just by-pass these German limits.
So there is GEMA wanting to rebalance this loss through raping music venues and nightclubs in extreme new changes where it is little surprise that this market freaked out.
Naturally everyone hates GEMA when by not cutting fair deals the public can't see the music videos they want to see and the musicians are not being paid.
I also can't see how any musician could welcome a 10% income drop just to give it to more popular musicians. I can't even think of an industry that works the same way when that is like "Fred you did a good job building this hotel and here is your wages but we cut out 10% to give to this famous bridge builder instead!"
Well in conclusion people can sit in the toilet and squeeze out a better smelling collection agency than what GEMA is.
Reality
Politicians are common liars where I am sure they would also claim to 4-year old terrorists in kindergarden had this made some point to support their cause.
There is no organized criminal gangs in the file sharing community where there is no profit to be made. If anything free media has gone a long way to wipe out counterfeiting when people wont buy second rate crap if they can get it themselves.
I have been a part of file sharing in past years and these are simply home users enjoying media. One day they get asked to help out with some distribution job. Should they be successful then sure they can be sucked up deeper into the community. Then if you look at the core then simply no one can be there who does not work hard for little more than free credits and respect.
I did think the MAFIAA realises this fact when no one beyond AFACT goes and calls infringers as "terrorists". Unfortunately they are more likely to get infringement listed under the counterfeiting label.
Anyway guess who has a political agenda and will make up rubbish to drive that home.
Denied seeing
It gets worse when you realise that the last Judge who ordered KAT, Fenopy and H33t to be blocked directly said that rights holders do not need to comply with the DMCA & EUCD when take-down notices are simply too much hassle.
The law can be ignored if it is too much hassle? So one commercial business can censor away rivals? Where those rivals have never been convicted of any wrongdoing?
Welcome to the UK where such censorship is quite normal. I can only hope this time a strong defence can be made headed by Grooveshark and backed up by ISPs and more. The latest OFCOM report gives them some good ammo this time.
Waste
Yet more hypocrisy by the copyright cartels having the highest paid executives around. Had the industry really been going through a hard time then leadership begins with a personal salary cut to say "hey workers, hard time, but we are all in this together".
The USA is a strange place when they treat their movie stars like us British treat our Royalty. Acting in the UK is largely different when it is just a job commanding a fair wage and where indeed many can boost their income by adding pantomime and such.
Well fame is a disease and much of the movie and music world is all about making stars. Sure pay them a fortune not because they are worth the wage but because fame and fortune gets the young and foolish dreaming to follow in their footsteps. They even tap the wages of the more minor workers just to make their one true glamorous star even richer.
With monopolies raping the market at extreme prices then sure a lot of money goes around. I have always believe there must be huge wastage in the industry where movie budget growths seem to confirm this.
Re: re-read the report
You are making the false assumption that all big media spenders are pirates which is totally false.
People who do not infringe have their high and low spenders also where the general average works out at £54 over six months.
Again casual infringers have high and low spenders with the average of £105 over six months a 94.4% sales boost.
Then heavy infringers have both high spenders and total freeloaders as the report makes clear where there average is £168 over six months a 211% sales boost.
Trying to make out that all media lovers become pirates is stupid when it is just that pirates with a far larger media exposure get far more engaged instead of going out and playing sports or socializing or such.
Re:
The MAFIAA shills come out to play with their constant flawed logic.
Shoplifting causes actual financial loss due to physical goods theft. Also shoplifters simply won't be their biggest customers and no report would say such.
Infringers only copy so nothing is lost beyond a potential sale but look-see here a detailed report that proves that this free viewing causes a 200% sales boost. The potential sale becomes an actual sale but one more informed and selective about what they like.
Your move MAFIAA. Are you still going to attack file sharing proving to all you care only about control while risking a 200% sales drop from this group worth millions? Or are you going to work with us to give the public what they really want... a free trading consumer market. Would not your sales then increase?