Unless your uncle was taking a picture with the clear intent of using the person in the background to promote a product without their consent or some other commercial use (i.e. the police officer could mind read) then he wasn't breaking any Australian laws. Australia doesn't even have the crazy public figure laws of the US, there's absolutely no expectation of privacy if you are in or visible from a public area.
If I see the Larrikins CEO on the streets of Australia, I'm going to punch him in the face...then play a jaunty tune in time to his rolling on the floor.
Seriously though, this is truely dispicable. I hope he gets a massive dose of Karma for this, though I don't hold much hope. Unless I see him on the street as I mentioned earlier.
If they had laws like this passing here in Aus, I'd be dancing there as well.
Based on the law, the cops weren't in the wrong for arresting the dancers. Their job is to uphold the law, whether they agree with it or not (within reason of course). But the protesters aren't in the wrong either. It's their job to question the governments laws and civil disobedience is one of the most effective and safest ways to do it.
Based on the way they executed their job, wow, that was just over the top. They jumped from talking to knee in backs with no middle stage. Wouldn't you first try to handcuff/remove other protesters etc. without having to resort to that? Especially in this case, where there was no threat of violence etc. from the protesters?
I mean, don't they get trained in this? I'm not a cop, but based on common sense and to avoid legal troubles, wouldn't you use these steps, only moving on if people don't obey each one. Especially given the passive resistance faced.:
1. Warn people to disperse, as they are breaking the law.
2. Tell them they are under arrest and them attempt to handcuff them etc.
3. Warn them that if they don't comply you will be required to use more force to subdue them.
4. If they still don't comply, then yes, now you can wrestle them to the ground, reasonably, and handcuff them.
As opposed to:
1. Try to arrest them.
2. Wrestle to ground and put knee in back with 3 other big strong men.
3. Release it to show the world how America takes it's freedoms seriously.
4. ???
5. <> PROFIT
I hope those cops get a massive lecture on reasonable force. Wouldn't want to have them answer a domestic dispute call. They seem to only be trained in escalating the problem. There would be blood.
I read Little Brother by Cory Doctorow recently. What scared me was that the laws for what happened in that book already exist, they just haven't been used quite that freely yet.
In any case, this article did remind me of a quote from that book that showed yet another example of why wanting privacy does not always mean you are hiding something:
There's something really liberating about having some corner of your life that's yours, that no one gets to see except you. It's a little like nudity or taking a dump. Everyone gets naked every once in a while. Everyone has to squat on the toilet. There's nothing shameful, deviant or weird about either of them. But what if I decreed that from now on, every time you went to evacuate some solid waste, you'd have to do it in a glass room perched in the middle of Times Square, and you'd be buck naked?
Even if you've got nothing wrong or weird with your body -- and how many of us can say that? -- you'd have to be pretty strange to like that idea. Most of us would run screaming. Most of us would hold it in until we exploded.
It's not about doing something shameful. It's about doing something private. It's about your life belonging to you.
A little dangerous to comment without all the details isn't it? To put another spin on it, in the other direction to this article:
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
Why is everyone assuming the FBI are after them for the farming anyway?
A little dangerous to comment without all the details isn't it? To put another spin on it, in the other direction to this article:
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
Why is everyone assuming the FBI are after them for the farming anyway?
A little dangerous to comment without all the details isn't it? To put another spin on it, in the other direction to this article:
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
That was my first thought as well, that it's a little presumptuous to say that a professional photographer should be happy moving from photography to teaching. It's not like an athlete becoming a coach, where it's an inevitable move you have to make to stay in the industry. I'm sure alot of photographers would prefer not to teach, simply because they don't enjoy it.
But in this case, I think Mike is actually focusing on the existence of a group of photographers who don't teach due to fear of competition, not on some sudden new market niche that professional photographers should be filling.
On the fear of skill transference leading to obsolescence, isn't this akin to a musician teaching someone how to play the piano, or write sheet music, and then finding that there is no longer demand for them in the music world?
Taking that further, imagine how many techniques and skills in photography die because people are too afraid to pass on the knowledge. Experimentation is good, but almost all the great musicians were mentored by someone equally famous.
It's funny, but this puts me in mind of the whole "infringement=theft" argument, where people think that the reproduction of a piece of work someone means there is now less of that work in existence.
It's sad that some photographers must think their work can be replicated by "having the right settings and pressing a button", since they obviously don't believe they add anything to their work beyond that.
Wow, that was a ramble, obviously I must be sleep deprived. Didn't think I had that large an opinion the short-sightedness of parts of the professional photography industry.
Getting offtopic, but focusing on the word Fear in FUD is taking it a bit too literally. FUD is really just a form of propaganda where you use possibly (probably?) false information to influence the audience (blog readers in this case).
Mike has no solid evidence as to why the case was settled (as was stated in the article - unless he has access to sealed files and isn't telling us), so while it is his opinion, stating it in the headline like it has been presents it as fact. So in this case, I'd say using the FUD acronym is entirely appropriate, since it's anti-"music publisher" propaganda.
And while I am generally an avid reader of techdirt and love most of the articles, this type of writing makes me very cynical of the objectivity of this blog.
Ummm, well the article isn't sure who settled either if you read it:
"Many reports seem to be assuming that Limewire gave up here, but there's a good chance that it was the publishers who backed out, realizing they had no interest in opening up a discovery process that might prove a large segment of their business is based on pure fiction."
I have to agree, headlines that contradict their own articles should be left for Fox News, not Techdirt.
Wow, this comment really scares me...maybe you can argue kids know enough about sex to give consent in the late teens sometime and sure some before 18, but 7?
That's really sad for you. The fact you don't realize it is even worse. I really hope this is a troll. I mean, how do kids know to yell "DON't TOUCH ME THERE" if they are being abused by their parents?
On another note. Is their a link to the video causing all the outrage? I can't find it through the article links?
This is what I've heard, can't verify but sounds like a "Sony move":
If it was a PC, instead of a gaming console, they have different tax laws in some countries? The OtherOS feature made it easier to pass the PS3 off as a "PC" in those countries.
Of course, tax evasion is ok, but using hardware you own how you want to, that is a big no no.
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Unless your uncle was taking a picture with the clear intent of using the person in the background to promote a product without their consent or some other commercial use (i.e. the police officer could mind read) then he wasn't breaking any Australian laws. Australia doesn't even have the crazy public figure laws of the US, there's absolutely no expectation of privacy if you are in or visible from a public area.
CEO Larrikins
If I see the Larrikins CEO on the streets of Australia, I'm going to punch him in the face...then play a jaunty tune in time to his rolling on the floor.
Seriously though, this is truely dispicable. I hope he gets a massive dose of Karma for this, though I don't hold much hope. Unless I see him on the street as I mentioned earlier.
Re:
Hell, they won't even give away updates to OS X to their paying users, let alone the actual OS to those in need.
FTFY
Re: Re: Apple?
He started the litigation, hopefully now he's dead Apple will start innovating again.
Re: Re: Re: Tennessee
You know that evolution is only a theory...kind of like gravity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: What is wrong with you?
I'm confused as to why he doesn't just file a counternotice to youtube and be done with it. It's like 3 clicks and the video is back up.
Icecream protest
So dancing is illegal in certain places.
Is dancing defined in a statute somewhere? As being charged implies the activity is clearly defined somewhere.
And what if they move onto standing around eating icecreams in protest. Or smiling at each other.
The police then go beat on everyone standing around smiling together?
You really want to live in the People's Republic of America?
Cops did use excessive force
Wow...just wow.
If they had laws like this passing here in Aus, I'd be dancing there as well.
Based on the law, the cops weren't in the wrong for arresting the dancers. Their job is to uphold the law, whether they agree with it or not (within reason of course). But the protesters aren't in the wrong either. It's their job to question the governments laws and civil disobedience is one of the most effective and safest ways to do it.
Based on the way they executed their job, wow, that was just over the top. They jumped from talking to knee in backs with no middle stage. Wouldn't you first try to handcuff/remove other protesters etc. without having to resort to that? Especially in this case, where there was no threat of violence etc. from the protesters?
I mean, don't they get trained in this? I'm not a cop, but based on common sense and to avoid legal troubles, wouldn't you use these steps, only moving on if people don't obey each one. Especially given the passive resistance faced.:
1. Warn people to disperse, as they are breaking the law.
2. Tell them they are under arrest and them attempt to handcuff them etc.
3. Warn them that if they don't comply you will be required to use more force to subdue them.
4. If they still don't comply, then yes, now you can wrestle them to the ground, reasonably, and handcuff them.
As opposed to:
1. Try to arrest them.
2. Wrestle to ground and put knee in back with 3 other big strong men.
3. Release it to show the world how America takes it's freedoms seriously.
4. ???
5. <> PROFIT
I hope those cops get a massive lecture on reasonable force. Wouldn't want to have them answer a domestic dispute call. They seem to only be trained in escalating the problem. There would be blood.
A quote I liked
I read Little Brother by Cory Doctorow recently. What scared me was that the laws for what happened in that book already exist, they just haven't been used quite that freely yet.
In any case, this article did remind me of a quote from that book that showed yet another example of why wanting privacy does not always mean you are hiding something:
Re: Re:
A little dangerous to comment without all the details isn't it? To put another spin on it, in the other direction to this article:
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
Why is everyone assuming the FBI are after them for the farming anyway?
So it's not a crime?
A little dangerous to comment without all the details isn't it? To put another spin on it, in the other direction to this article:
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
Why is everyone assuming the FBI are after them for the farming anyway?
Re: Re:
Maybe they don't want to spend hours grinding for gold? If they want to spend their money doing that, on something they enjoy, what's the issue?
And the fact that their is a market doesn't make it right for crackers and scammers to abuse said market.
Details?
A little dangerous to comment without all the details isn't it? To put another spin on it, in the other direction to this article:
"FBI raids wrong house looking for WoW gold farmers. The intended targets had opened multiple fraudulent bank accounts in order to scam people attempting to buy the online currency."
While only virtual, the 'Gold' still equates to hours spent performing a task. And in any case, who cares how the fraud is being committed. That's kind of missing the forest for the trees isn't it? Even if the only fraud is on the bank accounts being opened, that's still a fairly serious crime, given the various uses for fake accounts.
The only way this might be a worthwhile piece is if the raid was done at the behest of Blizzard. If not, this is exactly what the FBI is paid to do. Who do you want to investigate what is probably national, if not international, fraud? The local PD?
(untitled comment)
That was my first thought as well, that it's a little presumptuous to say that a professional photographer should be happy moving from photography to teaching. It's not like an athlete becoming a coach, where it's an inevitable move you have to make to stay in the industry. I'm sure alot of photographers would prefer not to teach, simply because they don't enjoy it.
But in this case, I think Mike is actually focusing on the existence of a group of photographers who don't teach due to fear of competition, not on some sudden new market niche that professional photographers should be filling.
On the fear of skill transference leading to obsolescence, isn't this akin to a musician teaching someone how to play the piano, or write sheet music, and then finding that there is no longer demand for them in the music world?
Taking that further, imagine how many techniques and skills in photography die because people are too afraid to pass on the knowledge. Experimentation is good, but almost all the great musicians were mentored by someone equally famous.
It's funny, but this puts me in mind of the whole "infringement=theft" argument, where people think that the reproduction of a piece of work someone means there is now less of that work in existence.
It's sad that some photographers must think their work can be replicated by "having the right settings and pressing a button", since they obviously don't believe they add anything to their work beyond that.
Wow, that was a ramble, obviously I must be sleep deprived. Didn't think I had that large an opinion the short-sightedness of parts of the professional photography industry.
Re:
Correct. Especially in Korea, where Samsung has the whole Chaebol thing going for it.
Re: Re: Re:
Getting offtopic, but focusing on the word Fear in FUD is taking it a bit too literally. FUD is really just a form of propaganda where you use possibly (probably?) false information to influence the audience (blog readers in this case).
Mike has no solid evidence as to why the case was settled (as was stated in the article - unless he has access to sealed files and isn't telling us), so while it is his opinion, stating it in the headline like it has been presents it as fact. So in this case, I'd say using the FUD acronym is entirely appropriate, since it's anti-"music publisher" propaganda.
And while I am generally an avid reader of techdirt and love most of the articles, this type of writing makes me very cynical of the objectivity of this blog.
Re: Re:
Ummm, well the article isn't sure who settled either if you read it: "Many reports seem to be assuming that Limewire gave up here, but there's a good chance that it was the publishers who backed out, realizing they had no interest in opening up a discovery process that might prove a large segment of their business is based on pure fiction." I have to agree, headlines that contradict their own articles should be left for Fox News, not Techdirt.
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What I find more funny is that Americans whinge about there government when only half of them even bother to vote, and that's in a good year.
So basically, every second American complaining about his government could have done something about it but didn't.
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Wow, this comment really scares me...maybe you can argue kids know enough about sex to give consent in the late teens sometime and sure some before 18, but 7?
That's really sad for you. The fact you don't realize it is even worse. I really hope this is a troll. I mean, how do kids know to yell "DON't TOUCH ME THERE" if they are being abused by their parents?
On another note. Is their a link to the video causing all the outrage? I can't find it through the article links?
Re: Tax evasion?
This is what I've heard, can't verify but sounds like a "Sony move": If it was a PC, instead of a gaming console, they have different tax laws in some countries? The OtherOS feature made it easier to pass the PS3 off as a "PC" in those countries. Of course, tax evasion is ok, but using hardware you own how you want to, that is a big no no.