both of your examples are wrong the first one is not thievery is spionage the second i ll grant it as thievery but not for the reason you think they are depriving one seat avalaibility
and thats why by definition is thievery.
well now intangibles cant be stolen lets go on the other side a mother has two children and one acuses the other of stealing his mother love the mother has not a finite quantity of love so the acusation of stealing falls flat and thats what happens to copyright infringement right now you dont have a finite quantity of ideas so the claim of stealing again falls flat
you are wrong in several points
*then more or less existing copyright is the ONLY system under which creations will be produced
this is false there had been others systems also i must say the copyright used to be the best but now is obsolete and is running contrary to its purpose
so we are hoping for a new better system
* No one is going to expend efforts if anyone can take the product and use it as theirs. You can't compete with free.
so the spriters that put their sprites in rpg maker forums and deviantart arent doing an effort? what about collaborative stories they are sharing and they dont say this is mine you cant use it
*But now the UK is going to try doing away with copyright! For more on this line see:
biased bad written and atagonistic so lets disregard it
*'Copyright "reformers" of course rarely like to talk about such unpleasant matters - and will steer the conversation away from economic consequences as rapidly as possible. Indeed, the they generally talk using Orwellian euphemisms - like "liberalising" or "rebalancing" copyright. It's rarely presented as an individual's ability to go to market being removed. This is what "copyright reform" looks like in practice.
this i will grant have a small point but the thing they shy away as any economic consequences of removing copyright are especulative
also one tend to speak of the negative in the hopes it will be fixed and i must say right now copyright law is broken and is in a need of a fix or replacement
people arent suing because the costs are insane and rather than lose thousands they rather lose hundreds
also many people already were ready for this and is not surprised (the same people already is guessing the closure of the new simcity from 2 to 5 years from now)
we need a process lets say i live in a country where is ilegal to sell pictures of cats in unnatural poses then a company in usa sells lolcats pictures via internet should those usa companies be liable?
i think they shouldnt mix laws and to be able of prosecuting those cases it must be illegal in both countries
You can compete with free if not the taxi service bottled water restaurants would have imploded a long time ago. Simply give a better service than free an you are set
you know what about the war against terrorism?
the terrorists won, their name explain it they dont want to kill people they want to spread terror so now USA is living in fear of their own goverment
first mega, pirate bay, storage services and torrents
second fanfiction sites deviantart and forums
third Kickstarter, Pledgemusic, Bandcamp etc
fourth indie works
and last remove public domain so they have control of everything
ok let me adress this first the law will treat them differently because they have less power (being relative new) than the older copyright lobbyist
second point when are going the copyright trolls learn we dont want everything free in fact i am going to buy an original movie since it is worth it and i have only to wait a bit for a price drop but when one movie is localized and i cant get it legally then piracy sounds an attractive option also why i must pay the same of a digital copy than a physical copy (or even more)
also everybody want a fast buck even copyright maximalists ... ok especially copyright maximalists but when they stomp the public rights thats when we need to made a stand after all the founders of usa were all law breakers too
the problem is that they are complete morons those burned by diablo 3 warned them
also the comments
"this wont affect me"
"get to 2013 all people has internet"
"is not drm is a feature"
of the fanboys god i was interested at first but the always online drm killed any interest in the franchise
actualy the analogy is against licenses that limit the number of times you can install a software (if i heard correctly a game has only 3 times before it gets blocked)
well in my opinion i think the violence is not generated by videogames instead is generated by bad parenting i dont know maybe if a parent test a game before giving it to their children maybe if they researched the game before buying it and maybe if they talked with their children and get to know them then violence would go down
hmmm this is something that always bother me piracy is not theft since by definition theft is the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession
piracy doesnt remove the product from the owners
so piracy is not theft
basic economic facts you maximize sales lowering prices (you earn less per sale but you sell more)
price is important but not forget the quality
offer and demand too many of a product lower prices and a hight demand raises them (this is why piracy is so rampant there is an infinite suply but they arent lowering prices so they go to the next best offer)
ok they have to obey the laws but what are the laws in this case the swedish or the US or what? for example lets say the speed limit in usa is 80 km /hr and in swedish is 100 km/hr so if they catch car at 90 km/hr then should they prosecute him?
according to the swedish law they are in the right (although maybe not so much morally but thats is another beast)
but they are afraid that if they got to trial they are going to be in a unfair disadvantage since goverments holliwood and their opponents will aply pressure
also before you acuse me of being a pirate or anticopyright i must say that i think we need copyright but also we need limits to copyright also we need something to limit the powers of copyright holders
exactly my point even the top paying goverment workers would have troubles paying these fines never mind the people under them so we have the 1 % percent(and that is being generous) of poblation that their lives woulnd't be ruined by copyright so my point stands the copyright laws needs to define their fines so people learn, not to ruin their lives
ok this disapoint me researching i saw that the yearly salary of an goverment is $193,400 yearly (this is the oficial salary) taking costs a hight payed individual could end their fines in 4 years that sounds a bit irrational but still tolerable the problem is that most people woek for much less
in example a guy i know made 8 usd per hour that means 80 usd per day or 400 usd per week at most he earns 19200 usd per year so the fines simply are insane if they were for eliminating piracy they would be minimun cost of the song i mean if you find it in itunes for .99 usd and in google pay for 5 usd they would use the .99 usd + 5 usd of fine that would be reasonable and would made people think would i save more paying for content or downloading and risking paying more? also a more resonable thing is they pay both lawyers when they lose a case (this is one of the things that made innocent people fold) so in this case the fine should be 145 usd and that would be reasonable but right now the punishment is not for people to learn it is for the enrichment of copyright holders
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i think it will be retroactive and instead of the earnings going to the player it will go to nintendo
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i am going to disagree
both of your examples are wrong the first one is not thievery is spionage the second i ll grant it as thievery but not for the reason you think they are depriving one seat avalaibility
and thats why by definition is thievery.
well now intangibles cant be stolen lets go on the other side a mother has two children and one acuses the other of stealing his mother love the mother has not a finite quantity of love so the acusation of stealing falls flat and thats what happens to copyright infringement right now you dont have a finite quantity of ideas so the claim of stealing again falls flat
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well what about mexico
see the variety
green moron
yellow greedy bastard
blue corrupt
red idiot
and tricolor who are greedy corrupt idiots
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correct me if i am wrong but that's not what the entertainment industry is doing with the first sale and sharing right?
Re: Until you clowns devise some other suite to protect efforts,
you are wrong in several points
*then more or less existing copyright is the ONLY system under which creations will be produced
this is false there had been others systems also i must say the copyright used to be the best but now is obsolete and is running contrary to its purpose
so we are hoping for a new better system
* No one is going to expend efforts if anyone can take the product and use it as theirs. You can't compete with free.
so the spriters that put their sprites in rpg maker forums and deviantart arent doing an effort? what about collaborative stories they are sharing and they dont say this is mine you cant use it
*But now the UK is going to try doing away with copyright! For more on this line see:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/04/29/err_act_landgrab/
biased bad written and atagonistic so lets disregard it
*'Copyright "reformers" of course rarely like to talk about such unpleasant matters - and will steer the conversation away from economic consequences as rapidly as possible. Indeed, the they generally talk using Orwellian euphemisms - like "liberalising" or "rebalancing" copyright. It's rarely presented as an individual's ability to go to market being removed. This is what "copyright reform" looks like in practice.
this i will grant have a small point but the thing they shy away as any economic consequences of removing copyright are especulative
also one tend to speak of the negative in the hopes it will be fixed and i must say right now copyright law is broken and is in a need of a fix or replacement
Re:
people arent suing because the costs are insane and rather than lose thousands they rather lose hundreds
also many people already were ready for this and is not surprised (the same people already is guessing the closure of the new simcity from 2 to 5 years from now)
Re: That's one way to look at it.
i dont know if your reply is sarcasm or are you being serious
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we need a process lets say i live in a country where is ilegal to sell pictures of cats in unnatural poses then a company in usa sells lolcats pictures via internet should those usa companies be liable?
i think they shouldnt mix laws and to be able of prosecuting those cases it must be illegal in both countries
Re: Re: You keep mistaking what sue-crazy lawyers do with copyright.
i think what he dont like is people getting aware of the failures of current copyright laws
Re: Final Proof
You can compete with free if not the taxi service bottled water restaurants would have imploded a long time ago. Simply give a better service than free an you are set
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you know what about the war against terrorism?
the terrorists won, their name explain it they dont want to kill people they want to spread terror so now USA is living in fear of their own goverment
Re: Re:
i think you are wrong this is their plans
first mega, pirate bay, storage services and torrents
second fanfiction sites deviantart and forums
third Kickstarter, Pledgemusic, Bandcamp etc
fourth indie works
and last remove public domain so they have control of everything
Re: Hah... As if the cockroaches ever come out when the light shines
ok let me adress this first the law will treat them differently because they have less power (being relative new) than the older copyright lobbyist
second point when are going the copyright trolls learn we dont want everything free in fact i am going to buy an original movie since it is worth it and i have only to wait a bit for a price drop but when one movie is localized and i cant get it legally then piracy sounds an attractive option also why i must pay the same of a digital copy than a physical copy (or even more)
also everybody want a fast buck even copyright maximalists ... ok especially copyright maximalists but when they stomp the public rights thats when we need to made a stand after all the founders of usa were all law breakers too
Re: Time to break out the schadenfreude
the problem is that they are complete morons those burned by diablo 3 warned them
also the comments
"this wont affect me"
"get to 2013 all people has internet"
"is not drm is a feature"
of the fanboys god i was interested at first but the always online drm killed any interest in the franchise
Re: Bad analogy
actualy the analogy is against licenses that limit the number of times you can install a software (if i heard correctly a game has only 3 times before it gets blocked)
(untitled comment)
well in my opinion i think the violence is not generated by videogames instead is generated by bad parenting i dont know maybe if a parent test a game before giving it to their children maybe if they researched the game before buying it and maybe if they talked with their children and get to know them then violence would go down
Re: You missed the "in some ways".
hmmm this is something that always bother me piracy is not theft since by definition theft is the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession
piracy doesnt remove the product from the owners
so piracy is not theft
basic economic facts you maximize sales lowering prices (you earn less per sale but you sell more)
price is important but not forget the quality
offer and demand too many of a product lower prices and a hight demand raises them (this is why piracy is so rampant there is an infinite suply but they arent lowering prices so they go to the next best offer)
Re: Why should political parties be above the law?
ok they have to obey the laws but what are the laws in this case the swedish or the US or what? for example lets say the speed limit in usa is 80 km /hr and in swedish is 100 km/hr so if they catch car at 90 km/hr then should they prosecute him?
according to the swedish law they are in the right (although maybe not so much morally but thats is another beast)
but they are afraid that if they got to trial they are going to be in a unfair disadvantage since goverments holliwood and their opponents will aply pressure
also before you acuse me of being a pirate or anticopyright i must say that i think we need copyright but also we need limits to copyright also we need something to limit the powers of copyright holders
Re: Re: Woah on the pay figure...
exactly my point even the top paying goverment workers would have troubles paying these fines never mind the people under them so we have the 1 % percent(and that is being generous) of poblation that their lives woulnd't be ruined by copyright so my point stands the copyright laws needs to define their fines so people learn, not to ruin their lives
(untitled comment)
ok this disapoint me researching i saw that the yearly salary of an goverment is $193,400 yearly (this is the oficial salary) taking costs a hight payed individual could end their fines in 4 years that sounds a bit irrational but still tolerable the problem is that most people woek for much less
in example a guy i know made 8 usd per hour that means 80 usd per day or 400 usd per week at most he earns 19200 usd per year so the fines simply are insane if they were for eliminating piracy they would be minimun cost of the song i mean if you find it in itunes for .99 usd and in google pay for 5 usd they would use the .99 usd + 5 usd of fine that would be reasonable and would made people think would i save more paying for content or downloading and risking paying more? also a more resonable thing is they pay both lawyers when they lose a case (this is one of the things that made innocent people fold) so in this case the fine should be 145 usd and that would be reasonable but right now the punishment is not for people to learn it is for the enrichment of copyright holders