If you look at the accounting issues from a more legal light, I am curious. Since Warner says they overpaid the plaintiff doesn't that open the internal Warner audit to discovery, can't they then use that to do a forensic discovery of their books on this case. If they are found to have some creative accounting, would it be a RED FLAG to the IRS to evaluate the tax issues on this film? Would you think that California would be interested in this too - budget woes aside.
More likely not since Hollywood owns a fair chunk of Washington and it's easier for Minn to go after a starving cross-dresser artist right? But seriously there are probably many millions of dollars in tax liability here. All we need is a plaintiff to not do a gag order settlement, take the thing all way to the end to expose this. The tax vultures might do the rest.
Let's see, we had bunch of cameras - the bombing still happened? But we caught them. Obviously of course from there we can quickly then progress to the thought that more camera's will prevent the bombing - George Orwell must be smiling in whatever place his soul might or might not be. Nailed it he says !!!
Just like a billionaire that can't have enough money, a company that can't have enough market share, the politician can't have enough power. They all see the cameras as adding to their lust for control, if they can just see a little more of what everyone is doing it will be better.
Can't you just see Mayor Bloomberg diving into his vault of virtual video tapes with his 3D virtual reality glasses -- ala Scrooge McDuck and his vault of coins. (I was going to say video tape vault but that is so dated)....
The quest for power is ongoing. Like the proverbial frog in a pot of cold water - heated to boiling. Said well by Lord Chesterfield:
“Arbitrary power has seldom been introduced in any country at once. It must be introduced by slow degrees, and as it were step by step.” Lord Chesterfield
Take our recent history from the 70's to now -- as we slowly proceed step by step.
That more things change the more they seem the same:
“The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread to the law courts. And then to the army, and finally the Republic was subjected to the rule of emperors.”
Plutarch, Historian of the Roman Republic (46-120AD)
What people sometimes don't realize is that it's often much more effective to deal with a bad law than have it changed to something you don't know - taking the chance it will cause other circumstances even worse than present. In particular dealing with congress and unintended(so they say)results.
Large firms have a major investment in navigating the status quo and as large entrenched firms, many see it as better to know the lay of the land than trying to find a better landscape. Sad but true ... like ISO9001(x) or whatever, I don't care if you it make it not perfect, just make it the same every single time so we can adjust to it. That is the tack taken by many large firms.
I too believe it should be a crime for a child under 13 to read the NYT, they are impressionable and should not be exposed to the drivel published by the NYT as well as Seventeen magazine or ABC News. we need them to learn from far better sources than those - though I am not sure where they might find that. In the long run this might be a good thing?
See how much problem fighting in a city like Fallujah in Iraq, imagine fighting on the east coast against locals even if only armed with handguns and rifles.
"Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation. "
8583 vs 200K -- more likely to die going to the hospital vs having a gun ....
Just also noting your numbers if didn't have a single gun related murder, still have 8 times more murders than UK.
Actually the government/modern society and it's inane policies, with increasing restrictions are the #1 cause of murder in the USA.
Drug related homicide (65k in Mexico also) ... we attempt to ban drugs instead of regulating them, create a black market that people make billions of dollars off of. That is why they are not legalized, billions of dollars in profits that find their way into political coffers. Didn't learn anything from Prohibition.
Economic policy that drive people into poverty and promote off-shore investment creating a cultural rich-poor divide that grows greater every day. This causes violence on a massive scale, some of which is homicidal.
Cultural policies that promote continued poverty and squalor all around the world. Though the USA is only 3.9 per homicides per 100K. Just over twice that of Europe as a whole.
Then we have 300 million plus people with over 50% living within 50 miles of the ocean coasts. Large population density in 17% of the land. Bound to cause more strife when you look at the poverty we promote.
And then with all that the first thing we cut is personal support services nationwide to make it impossible for someone with issues to seek help or we go so far as to ostracize them on a daily basis.
Every ask your self why we had school shootings back into the 1800's but they intensified after the late 80's (think about the changes that started then - tv/movies, video games, social correctness, schools can't discipline, etc).
The first generations of kids from the 60's generation of parents - so called GEN-X raised with all that don't spank, negotiate, conflict resolution, no social taboo's. Now you have generation after that, getting worse.
It's time to get back to the world of "you just don't do that" parenting.
Just the real facts - gun laws won't fix the problem, it doesn't even really treat the symptom.
Have you ever seen a study showing the incidence of crimes committed with registered weapons... without such data, there is cause-effect relationship.
Just like another study pointed out that listed blue vs red state per capita firearms fatalities, with out listing off actual numbers -- ie if NYC had a lower per capita rate of gun crimes - that is non-relevant without looking at population statistics, total events, etc... figures never lie but all liars can figure.
Actually we lost in Afghanistan to bunch of primitive herdsman with AK47's, just like the Russians and the British before us. I hate to mess up your misguided faith, but the taliban is still there and we are leaving ... sounds like a loss to me.
You should study your current events more, now that we are leaving even though there are numerous areas of the country we have never controlled. Sure we did some good, but we didn't win, not even close.
Best we can seem to do is kill randomly with drone strikes.
Signed:
Mike - who doesn't own an assault weapon by the knee jerk observation of people with an anti-gun agenda. But I do own 2 clip fed semi-automatic hunting rifles (just like assault weapons but with sporting stock configurations so they don't seem to cause the visceral reactions of the ignorant anti-gun zombies. However they work just like the weapons that cause them grief).
Not only would it be very interesting to cross reference crime rates in the areas with highest gun ownership, I bet if they cross-reference crimes committed with firearms that are registered, we would know if the saying only criminals will have guns if guns are outlawed, holds water.
I am personally thinking it's a lot easier to buy an unregistered gun on the street than try to steal one where someone might shoot you with the very weapon you are trying to steal. But I can't prove that.
I have never seen such a study though. If these weapons are dangerous, this kind of cross study would show it. Since it hasn't come out I am betting someone has done it but it didn't show what they wanted so it never saw the light of day.
Mike - no I don't own an handgun, just long guns and I am not an NRA member - but I don't trust the government either.
Ever notice how tolerance only goes one way.... the offended say that someone doesn't tolerate their right to not be offended but in turn because they are complaining so they don't tolerate the right of someone to offend them?
I find many political and personal choices offending in some manner but I don't seek to prevent them from expressing their point of view, acting on their choices, etc..
I "Tolerate" them, but when I express the point of view that I don't agree with them, I am intolerant and must be silenced.
This is an example of the same re-occurring event throughout human interaction, the intolerance of anything someone feels might make them uncomfortable - the need to tell others how to live their life. But then again that is what I am doing right now - except if they choose not to listen to me, I won't try to disallow them from being heard - and I am "in tolerant". Good thing I ignore the noise.
Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got 'em by the balls.
The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with an average voter -- paraphrased from Winston Churchill.
Or as Dave Ramsey says, they might not know who their representative is, or who the president is, but most folks know who got voted off american idol last night ....
We get the government we deserve! Always has been true, always will be.
IRS Problem too??
If you look at the accounting issues from a more legal light, I am curious. Since Warner says they overpaid the plaintiff doesn't that open the internal Warner audit to discovery, can't they then use that to do a forensic discovery of their books on this case. If they are found to have some creative accounting, would it be a RED FLAG to the IRS to evaluate the tax issues on this film? Would you think that California would be interested in this too - budget woes aside.
More likely not since Hollywood owns a fair chunk of Washington and it's easier for Minn to go after a starving cross-dresser artist right? But seriously there are probably many millions of dollars in tax liability here. All we need is a plaintiff to not do a gag order settlement, take the thing all way to the end to expose this. The tax vultures might do the rest.
Mike
Despite all the cameras??? It's all about power/control
Let's see, we had bunch of cameras - the bombing still happened? But we caught them. Obviously of course from there we can quickly then progress to the thought that more camera's will prevent the bombing - George Orwell must be smiling in whatever place his soul might or might not be. Nailed it he says !!!
Just like a billionaire that can't have enough money, a company that can't have enough market share, the politician can't have enough power. They all see the cameras as adding to their lust for control, if they can just see a little more of what everyone is doing it will be better.
Can't you just see Mayor Bloomberg diving into his vault of virtual video tapes with his 3D virtual reality glasses -- ala Scrooge McDuck and his vault of coins. (I was going to say video tape vault but that is so dated)....
The quest for power is ongoing. Like the proverbial frog in a pot of cold water - heated to boiling. Said well by Lord Chesterfield:
“Arbitrary power has seldom been introduced in any country at once. It must be introduced by slow degrees, and as it were step by step.” Lord Chesterfield
Take our recent history from the 70's to now -- as we slowly proceed step by step.
That more things change the more they seem the same:
“The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread to the law courts. And then to the army, and finally the Republic was subjected to the rule of emperors.”
Plutarch, Historian of the Roman Republic (46-120AD)
Those who don't remember history ..... or as AH said it:
The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.
Adolf Hitler
There is a reason to oppose change! The devil you know..
What people sometimes don't realize is that it's often much more effective to deal with a bad law than have it changed to something you don't know - taking the chance it will cause other circumstances even worse than present. In particular dealing with congress and unintended(so they say)results.
Large firms have a major investment in navigating the status quo and as large entrenched firms, many see it as better to know the lay of the land than trying to find a better landscape. Sad but true ... like ISO9001(x) or whatever, I don't care if you it make it not perfect, just make it the same every single time so we can adjust to it. That is the tack taken by many large firms.
It's is a crime.
I too believe it should be a crime for a child under 13 to read the NYT, they are impressionable and should not be exposed to the drivel published by the NYT as well as Seventeen magazine or ABC News. we need them to learn from far better sources than those - though I am not sure where they might find that. In the long run this might be a good thing?
Mike C.
Re: Re: Re: Re:Tjink about Iraq
See how much problem fighting in a city like Fallujah in Iraq, imagine fighting on the east coast against locals even if only armed with handguns and rifles.
Ask the Syrian Army 'bout it now....
Re: Re: Maybe we ought try to fix doctors first???
"Preventable medical mistakes and infections are responsible for about 200,000 deaths in the U.S. each year, according to an investigation by the Hearst media corporation. "
8583 vs 200K -- more likely to die going to the hospital vs having a gun ....
Just also noting your numbers if didn't have a single gun related murder, still have 8 times more murders than UK.
Re: Re: Re: Did it ever occur to you that millions of gun owners have them for self-protection?
Actually the government/modern society and it's inane policies, with increasing restrictions are the #1 cause of murder in the USA.
Drug related homicide (65k in Mexico also) ... we attempt to ban drugs instead of regulating them, create a black market that people make billions of dollars off of. That is why they are not legalized, billions of dollars in profits that find their way into political coffers. Didn't learn anything from Prohibition.
Economic policy that drive people into poverty and promote off-shore investment creating a cultural rich-poor divide that grows greater every day. This causes violence on a massive scale, some of which is homicidal.
Cultural policies that promote continued poverty and squalor all around the world. Though the USA is only 3.9 per homicides per 100K. Just over twice that of Europe as a whole.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Then we have 300 million plus people with over 50% living within 50 miles of the ocean coasts. Large population density in 17% of the land. Bound to cause more strife when you look at the poverty we promote.
And then with all that the first thing we cut is personal support services nationwide to make it impossible for someone with issues to seek help or we go so far as to ostracize them on a daily basis.
Every ask your self why we had school shootings back into the 1800's but they intensified after the late 80's (think about the changes that started then - tv/movies, video games, social correctness, schools can't discipline, etc).
The first generations of kids from the 60's generation of parents - so called GEN-X raised with all that don't spank, negotiate, conflict resolution, no social taboo's. Now you have generation after that, getting worse.
It's time to get back to the world of "you just don't do that" parenting.
Just the real facts - gun laws won't fix the problem, it doesn't even really treat the symptom.
Mike
Re: Re: Getting Useful info
Have you ever seen a study showing the incidence of crimes committed with registered weapons... without such data, there is cause-effect relationship.
Just like another study pointed out that listed blue vs red state per capita firearms fatalities, with out listing off actual numbers -- ie if NYC had a lower per capita rate of gun crimes - that is non-relevant without looking at population statistics, total events, etc... figures never lie but all liars can figure.
Re: Re:
Actually we lost in Afghanistan to bunch of primitive herdsman with AK47's, just like the Russians and the British before us. I hate to mess up your misguided faith, but the taliban is still there and we are leaving ... sounds like a loss to me.
You should study your current events more, now that we are leaving even though there are numerous areas of the country we have never controlled. Sure we did some good, but we didn't win, not even close.
Best we can seem to do is kill randomly with drone strikes.
Signed:
Mike - who doesn't own an assault weapon by the knee jerk observation of people with an anti-gun agenda. But I do own 2 clip fed semi-automatic hunting rifles (just like assault weapons but with sporting stock configurations so they don't seem to cause the visceral reactions of the ignorant anti-gun zombies. However they work just like the weapons that cause them grief).
Getting Useful info
Not only would it be very interesting to cross reference crime rates in the areas with highest gun ownership, I bet if they cross-reference crimes committed with firearms that are registered, we would know if the saying only criminals will have guns if guns are outlawed, holds water.
I am personally thinking it's a lot easier to buy an unregistered gun on the street than try to steal one where someone might shoot you with the very weapon you are trying to steal. But I can't prove that.
I have never seen such a study though. If these weapons are dangerous, this kind of cross study would show it. Since it hasn't come out I am betting someone has done it but it didn't show what they wanted so it never saw the light of day.
Mike - no I don't own an handgun, just long guns and I am not an NRA member - but I don't trust the government either.
Tolerance -- only goes one way
Ever notice how tolerance only goes one way.... the offended say that someone doesn't tolerate their right to not be offended but in turn because they are complaining so they don't tolerate the right of someone to offend them?
I find many political and personal choices offending in some manner but I don't seek to prevent them from expressing their point of view, acting on their choices, etc..
I "Tolerate" them, but when I express the point of view that I don't agree with them, I am intolerant and must be silenced.
This is an example of the same re-occurring event throughout human interaction, the intolerance of anything someone feels might make them uncomfortable - the need to tell others how to live their life. But then again that is what I am doing right now - except if they choose not to listen to me, I won't try to disallow them from being heard - and I am "in tolerant". Good thing I ignore the noise.
Mike
Truth about the totalitarian state
“The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.”
Who says movies don't imitate life:
Senator Roarke:
Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got 'em by the balls.
-Truer words were probably never scripted.
Realize who said this
The great strength of the totalitarian state is that it forces those who fear it to imitate it.
== you really don't want to know ==
(untitled comment)
baen books all the way. they have released a good number of their older books for free on their site. including the bolos. which are awesome
Re: How do they get elected
The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with an average voter -- paraphrased from Winston Churchill.
Or as Dave Ramsey says, they might not know who their representative is, or who the president is, but most folks know who got voted off american idol last night ....
We get the government we deserve! Always has been true, always will be.
Re:
He deserves to be punished, I always told my sons:
If you going to be bad -- be good at it....
Ferris Bueller..... Bueller...... Buller
Like anyone was actually watching who was not paid to watch (IE news types)....
Phone call ----
Think Eric got a call??