According to family and friends, this was the one commercial that was really good, too...
Seriously, NFL - you already GOT your paycheck for the runtime of this ad, so what the hell do you have to gain by issuing a takedown notice? The whole point of putting ads in the Super Bowl is so the product makers get more exposure!
Well, I could look it like this: Maybe Chrysler will rethink its relationship with the NFL.
99% of the ads I'll be able to watch on Youtube either the same day or a week later, and most of the notable football action I'll be able to see about two weeks later. No harm, no foul; advertisers get their publicity, and the NFL doesn't overreact to their copyright being infringed.
So if I understand the premise of this request, then unless they've got a court order and lots of evidence backing their requests up, I don't have to pay attention to their demands, right?
You shot your own legislation in the foot by not deciding to live up to your own words.I would like to believe, though, that your content creators would love to be present at the meeting, and be able to discuss their stance freely without having you breathing over their contracts and livelihoods.
The MPAA and supporters of this bill have said more hyperbole than we could possibly shake a stick at. The only difference: our hyperbole has actual evidence backing it up; yours doesn't.
Maybe it's time you were fired from your day job, Senator...
I would imagine that this would crumble for similar reasons that the Wal-Mart discrimination case did - there's way too many people for any cause of infringement to be adequately served.
Not just that, but this may also be the wake-up call that senators need to get some actual patent reform through. But only after they're dragged through this crappy process.
1) The manga/anime business makes $2 billion dollars annually.
2) Fan subbers do well to gauge the popularity of manga. The larger a group, the more likely you have people here in the US that are fans.
Reasons #1 and #2 tie in together rather well. More popular content => more profit. I'm not certain of any recent numbers regarding the industry in this day and age, but I'd say, give or take half a million, that's pretty close.
3) The industry has a hard time translating, and doesn't always get the cultural references.
I've experienced that before, but it's becoming less of an issue nowadays.
4)Not sure if it was this February. Seems it was in 2009. Link
I was referring to Dattebayo, a prolific fansubbing group (despite their demeanor) that subbed two of the three most popular Anime titles, until they pushed the industry to stream them on Crunchyroll. They really were shut down this past February by ICE.
Come to think of it, Mike has posted about this issue before back in 2008.
This is why I said it was "easiest". I have stimulating conversations with my friends and close family regarding religion and politics all the time. We're all mature enough to respect one another's opinions, and keep things egoless in those debates.
With people you don't know, and/or can't gauge how they would react to such discussion, it's easiest to avoid it, in my experience. Facebook, or any service where public posting is permitted, makes these kinds of things worse.
TL;DR: Yes, you can have high levels of conversation with total strangers, even with controversial topics. Avoiding them is best so you get less crap for bringing it up in the first place.
If you want a high level of conversation, be it with someone using their real name or a pseudonym, it's easiest to avoid conversations where emotions run high and sense runs low (e.g. religion, politics, family values, etc.).
I just find it ironic [and quite pathetic, really] that this particular example shows Christians flaming Atheists. I'm Christian too, and I have Atheist friends. Does this make me a bad Christian? Wait a minute - Matthew 7:1, right??
Seriously though, rejecting broad and vague patents is a good thing. The less crappy patents going through the system, the better for innovation (and we can all avoid these horribly pointless patent litigation issues).
Instead of the MPAA making such blatantly false statements, they could take a look instead at some similar issues in the realm of Anime distribution. For years, the only way to get anime conveniently was through illegitimate fan-subbed groups. The reaction to these groups was mixed; at first, some industries tried to shut them down, and others embraced them. Overall though, I think that it's evident to see that instead of treating fan-subs as criminal infringement, these studios and this industry not only embraced this, but also started to offer more legal avenues to view popular shows.
As an example, one of the most prolific fan-subbing groups was taken down by ICE this past February, even though their main infringing activities ceased when the very shows they were subbing were offered through a legal channel. And this was easily 3-4 months after the fact. In a twist of irony (or poetic justice, take your pick), this group also strongly encouraged fans to buy the anime/manga when it became available in their area. What's even more convincing: When the option to get the shows offered in a legal capacity arose, they strongly encouraged people to get active in that, too - and the results were overwhelmingly in favor of this new, legal avenue.
Now, the Anime industry is doing very well, and it hasn't alienated its fans (to this extent). Maybe, just maybe, the MPAA could take from this example and learn not to treat its fans like criminals, and offer legal, more convenient ways to get their product out there.
...Although I think from the looks of things, you'll need to get someone that knows the difference between "stealing", "theft", and "infringement" in a position of power first.
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Apps market employees, not Facebook employees. If you're going to bash the man, at least have your own facts straight before you look like an ass.
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Fixed that for you.
Too bad for those not watching the Super Bowl!
According to family and friends, this was the one commercial that was really good, too...
Seriously, NFL - you already GOT your paycheck for the runtime of this ad, so what the hell do you have to gain by issuing a takedown notice? The whole point of putting ads in the Super Bowl is so the product makers get more exposure!
Well, I could look it like this: Maybe Chrysler will rethink its relationship with the NFL.
It's Okay Though
99% of the ads I'll be able to watch on Youtube either the same day or a week later, and most of the notable football action I'll be able to see about two weeks later. No harm, no foul; advertisers get their publicity, and the NFL doesn't overreact to their copyright being infringed.
ICE, you're still doing it wrong.
Voluntary?
So if I understand the premise of this request, then unless they've got a court order and lots of evidence backing their requests up, I don't have to pay attention to their demands, right?
Thanks Disney!
You shot your own legislation in the foot by not deciding to live up to your own words.I would like to believe, though, that your content creators would love to be present at the meeting, and be able to discuss their stance freely without having you breathing over their contracts and livelihoods.
Hyperbole?
The MPAA and supporters of this bill have said more hyperbole than we could possibly shake a stick at. The only difference: our hyperbole has actual evidence backing it up; yours doesn't.
Maybe it's time you were fired from your day job, Senator...
Wouldn't Hold...
I would imagine that this would crumble for similar reasons that the Wal-Mart discrimination case did - there's way too many people for any cause of infringement to be adequately served.
Not just that, but this may also be the wake-up call that senators need to get some actual patent reform through. But only after they're dragged through this crappy process.
Re: Re: An Existing Example
A few things to add.
1) The manga/anime business makes $2 billion dollars annually.
2) Fan subbers do well to gauge the popularity of manga. The larger a group, the more likely you have people here in the US that are fans.
Reasons #1 and #2 tie in together rather well. More popular content => more profit. I'm not certain of any recent numbers regarding the industry in this day and age, but I'd say, give or take half a million, that's pretty close.
3) The industry has a hard time translating, and doesn't always get the cultural references.
I've experienced that before, but it's becoming less of an issue nowadays.
4)Not sure if it was this February. Seems it was in 2009. Link
I was referring to Dattebayo, a prolific fansubbing group (despite their demeanor) that subbed two of the three most popular Anime titles, until they pushed the industry to stream them on Crunchyroll. They really were shut down this past February by ICE.
Come to think of it, Mike has posted about this issue before back in 2008.
Hopefully, someone from the MPAA takes a hint.
Re: Re: "High Level" of Conversation
This is why I said it was "easiest". I have stimulating conversations with my friends and close family regarding religion and politics all the time. We're all mature enough to respect one another's opinions, and keep things egoless in those debates.
With people you don't know, and/or can't gauge how they would react to such discussion, it's easiest to avoid it, in my experience. Facebook, or any service where public posting is permitted, makes these kinds of things worse.
TL;DR: Yes, you can have high levels of conversation with total strangers, even with controversial topics. Avoiding them is best so you get less crap for bringing it up in the first place.
"High Level" of Conversation
If you want a high level of conversation, be it with someone using their real name or a pseudonym, it's easiest to avoid conversations where emotions run high and sense runs low (e.g. religion, politics, family values, etc.).
I just find it ironic [and quite pathetic, really] that this particular example shows Christians flaming Atheists. I'm Christian too, and I have Atheist friends. Does this make me a bad Christian? Wait a minute - Matthew 7:1, right??
Re: Re:
y u no trol hardr?
Seriously though, rejecting broad and vague patents is a good thing. The less crappy patents going through the system, the better for innovation (and we can all avoid these horribly pointless patent litigation issues).
Take the Offer!
Leave it to Notch to offer a solution as simple as a game of Quake 3 to resolve a major copyright issue.
I'm hoping they actually agree to it, too. It'd just be...interesting.
An Existing Example
Instead of the MPAA making such blatantly false statements, they could take a look instead at some similar issues in the realm of Anime distribution. For years, the only way to get anime conveniently was through illegitimate fan-subbed groups. The reaction to these groups was mixed; at first, some industries tried to shut them down, and others embraced them. Overall though, I think that it's evident to see that instead of treating fan-subs as criminal infringement, these studios and this industry not only embraced this, but also started to offer more legal avenues to view popular shows.
As an example, one of the most prolific fan-subbing groups was taken down by ICE this past February, even though their main infringing activities ceased when the very shows they were subbing were offered through a legal channel. And this was easily 3-4 months after the fact. In a twist of irony (or poetic justice, take your pick), this group also strongly encouraged fans to buy the anime/manga when it became available in their area. What's even more convincing: When the option to get the shows offered in a legal capacity arose, they strongly encouraged people to get active in that, too - and the results were overwhelmingly in favor of this new, legal avenue.
Now, the Anime industry is doing very well, and it hasn't alienated its fans (to this extent). Maybe, just maybe, the MPAA could take from this example and learn not to treat its fans like criminals, and offer legal, more convenient ways to get their product out there.
...Although I think from the looks of things, you'll need to get someone that knows the difference between "stealing", "theft", and "infringement" in a position of power first.
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I hope that this at least puts the merger deal on hold, if it doesn't kill it entirely.
Re: This is whats wrong with Amerika
The whole issue with this, as I see it:
I don't think we have a problem with lawbreakers and criminals being arrested.
There is a problem, however, with the stripping of rights done to get to that point.