As a kid...hell even into my early adulthood the Olympics have been something I just love. I've shed tears at opening/closing ceremonies. What the Olympics are SUPPOSED to represent are awesome and amazing. Hearing about shit like this just makes me sad though. These events should be shared openly with the entire world, not controlled and fed to us like all the other media out there. It's supposed to be special! :(
Frankly I think that some employers are simply using the current job market as a reason for abusing applicants this way. I know and accept that potential employers (and likely your current employers) are going to check out your online presence, but to request direct access to the accounts is unacceptable.
I know it's not easy to say no, but that's exactly what people need to do. I don't care what my employer things of my blog, Google+ or Twitter account but my Facebook is locked down to just my close friends and family, because it's my private life.
That said, I don't think it needs to be a law. As the Internet continues to grow people will become more and more savvy about their online identity. Your username and password is potentially more important than your social security number these days. Just because someone works in HR doesn't mean they wouldn't abuse the access granted to them.
Obviously there IS still competition and if Google is now charging others now have an opportunity to compete.
Hey I'm all for supporting the little guy but if Google's product is superior, regardless of the price, and consumers are being well served I fail to see the problem.
Additionally Bing and even MapQuest are still in use (can't speak for use in France so my point may be bunk) so Google Maps has competition.
Maybe some smaller, traditional map makers may be failing but that's due to the change in technology. Evolve or die. To me this case is no different than the old guard media companies complaining about how the Internet is destroying (really just changing) their market.
I wonder if it would be against the terms of service at Kick Starter? I know it's not what that platform was designed for, but could you imagine the message it would send to Big Content? I'd contribute.
Even if she was sharing the files she downloaded on BT (kinda the point), the fine is a life destroyer and given the 'crime' it's not fair.
It's all a margins game. And in a way it's not so different than the death of the music stores. Why buy CDs from a dedicated music store when you can order online? Why buy from a dealer and haggle, when you can find your car online and get a better deal?
But just like music, there will be a few dealers here and there who provide exceptional service, selection, and prices that will keep going despite this.
My guess, the biggest whiners are the dealers/auto makers that are ripping customers off the most.
Thats funny. I have never signed a contract when buying a CD or DVD. Even software EULAs are questionable when it comes to being legally binding.
But if that's what you want, go ahead, make us have to sign contracts for everything; every little iTunes purchase, every time we go to RedBox, every time we visit Best Buy. See if that helps you make more money.
All it did was make file sharers more cautious. It might have stopped some people, but the teens growing up with this technology will out pace any file shares who dropped out because of The Jammie Thomas case.
You don't give the Nanny governments enough credit.
"We have to protect the {stupid} people from doing stuff online that might upset them."
Whatever happened to personal responsibility and having a backbone? If you sent a scammer money, well I hope you learned your lesson. If a troll hurts your feelings, get over it, they don't know you, you don't know them, fuck'm.
We don't need laws protecting peoples feelings and there are already laws in place for the scams. People just need to pay attention to what they are doing.
Addtionally, to this point I think Big Media wants to have an a specific enemy they can vilify. If it's The People, it makes it a lot more difficult for them to state a claim of wrong doing.
Oh sure they call us pirates, but most people understand that sharing a movie of song isn't that big of a deal and probably 99% of the people in the US have done it in the past. So Big Media is only going to be able to go so far with vilifying The People.
But Google, oooo, they are rich, they are used by millions, everyone knows who they are. They are the perfect patsy, but only if Big Media can convince the powers that be, that Google is the real problem, not The People.
I love the quality of Blu-Ray but the constant firmware updates, slow load times and some disks simply not working in my player is part of what is preventing me from moving over to Blu-Ray.
I don't have a huge collection of DVDs, but the thought of purchasing all the Blu-Ray versions just isn't appealing enough.
That said, downloading BR quality movies is a time consuming process and as Netflix streaming has proven, not everyone feels the need to have the best AV experience available.
So people will stick to DVDs and streaming, it's good enough.
That is a good point, cracking the packets collected on their network is one thing, but cracking the Google account itself is not legal, regardless of where the emails were written.
it does appear that these scientists were accessing their personal Gmail accounts from work computers
As a former network admin I had to deal with this fine line quite a bit, but I also believe there is a fair amount of precedent stating that the company owns the network and thus can 'snoop' on any traffic on that network.
Additionally it would be good to get a look at the employee policy manual. Many companies explicitly state that employees have not expectation of privacy while using company computers/networks. Maybe that won't stand up in court, but that alone could thwart them.
I support what these whistle-blowers are doing, but they should have used their personal computers/mobile devices, not work computers.
Uhoh, I better make sure I don't have the windows open in my house when listening to music loud. Wonder if they'll go after the people with really loud car stereos too? (please!)
Maybe they really don't want anyone to actually listen to the music, just buy it.
More industry shills in the comments telling us we are all pirates or pirate apologists and we don't know what we are talking about? Oh that'll be awesome!
If you don't like a companies DRM practices don't buy their goods. Eventually the company goes under, the company realizes the mistake, or the good developers go to a company where their work can be appreciated by consumers.
Why buy something that could be rendered useless with a couple mistakes. Even Microsoft will work with you, to a degree, if your Windows/Office activation is having problems.
So sad
As a kid...hell even into my early adulthood the Olympics have been something I just love. I've shed tears at opening/closing ceremonies. What the Olympics are SUPPOSED to represent are awesome and amazing. Hearing about shit like this just makes me sad though. These events should be shared openly with the entire world, not controlled and fed to us like all the other media out there. It's supposed to be special! :(
Employers abusing current events
Frankly I think that some employers are simply using the current job market as a reason for abusing applicants this way. I know and accept that potential employers (and likely your current employers) are going to check out your online presence, but to request direct access to the accounts is unacceptable.
I know it's not easy to say no, but that's exactly what people need to do. I don't care what my employer things of my blog, Google+ or Twitter account but my Facebook is locked down to just my close friends and family, because it's my private life.
That said, I don't think it needs to be a law. As the Internet continues to grow people will become more and more savvy about their online identity. Your username and password is potentially more important than your social security number these days. Just because someone works in HR doesn't mean they wouldn't abuse the access granted to them.
Go Daddy
And why do people use Go Daddy again? The so called mass exodus due to SOPA was a flop. They gained more than they lost during that same time frame.
It is just marketing? Are the general public just ignorant about other providers and the atrocious actions of Go Daddy?
Re: Textbook exmple of dumping
Obviously there IS still competition and if Google is now charging others now have an opportunity to compete.
Hey I'm all for supporting the little guy but if Google's product is superior, regardless of the price, and consumers are being well served I fail to see the problem.
Additionally Bing and even MapQuest are still in use (can't speak for use in France so my point may be bunk) so Google Maps has competition.
Maybe some smaller, traditional map makers may be failing but that's due to the change in technology. Evolve or die. To me this case is no different than the old guard media companies complaining about how the Internet is destroying (really just changing) their market.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Semantics...
I wonder if it would be against the terms of service at Kick Starter? I know it's not what that platform was designed for, but could you imagine the message it would send to Big Content? I'd contribute.
Even if she was sharing the files she downloaded on BT (kinda the point), the fine is a life destroyer and given the 'crime' it's not fair.
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It's all a margins game. And in a way it's not so different than the death of the music stores. Why buy CDs from a dedicated music store when you can order online? Why buy from a dealer and haggle, when you can find your car online and get a better deal?
But just like music, there will be a few dealers here and there who provide exceptional service, selection, and prices that will keep going despite this.
My guess, the biggest whiners are the dealers/auto makers that are ripping customers off the most.
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Thats funny. I have never signed a contract when buying a CD or DVD. Even software EULAs are questionable when it comes to being legally binding.
But if that's what you want, go ahead, make us have to sign contracts for everything; every little iTunes purchase, every time we go to RedBox, every time we visit Best Buy. See if that helps you make more money.
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All it did was make file sharers more cautious. It might have stopped some people, but the teens growing up with this technology will out pace any file shares who dropped out because of The Jammie Thomas case.
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They'll ship it for free in 2 business days if they sign up for Amazon Prime too!
Re: Don't feed the troll
You don't give the Nanny governments enough credit.
"We have to protect the {stupid} people from doing stuff online that might upset them."
Whatever happened to personal responsibility and having a backbone? If you sent a scammer money, well I hope you learned your lesson. If a troll hurts your feelings, get over it, they don't know you, you don't know them, fuck'm.
We don't need laws protecting peoples feelings and there are already laws in place for the scams. People just need to pay attention to what they are doing.
Re: La la la
That was certainly what it sounded like during the hearing back in December, when reason was attempted to be brought into the discussion.
Re: Willful blindmess?
Addtionally, to this point I think Big Media wants to have an a specific enemy they can vilify. If it's The People, it makes it a lot more difficult for them to state a claim of wrong doing.
Oh sure they call us pirates, but most people understand that sharing a movie of song isn't that big of a deal and probably 99% of the people in the US have done it in the past. So Big Media is only going to be able to go so far with vilifying The People.
But Google, oooo, they are rich, they are used by millions, everyone knows who they are. They are the perfect patsy, but only if Big Media can convince the powers that be, that Google is the real problem, not The People.
Re: Yes, it was Google-- and the people Google pays....
Humm...My check from Google must still be in the mail.
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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or just a troll who's not trying very hard.
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I love the quality of Blu-Ray but the constant firmware updates, slow load times and some disks simply not working in my player is part of what is preventing me from moving over to Blu-Ray.
I don't have a huge collection of DVDs, but the thought of purchasing all the Blu-Ray versions just isn't appealing enough.
That said, downloading BR quality movies is a time consuming process and as Netflix streaming has proven, not everyone feels the need to have the best AV experience available.
So people will stick to DVDs and streaming, it's good enough.
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That is a good point, cracking the packets collected on their network is one thing, but cracking the Google account itself is not legal, regardless of where the emails were written.
(untitled comment)
As a former network admin I had to deal with this fine line quite a bit, but I also believe there is a fair amount of precedent stating that the company owns the network and thus can 'snoop' on any traffic on that network.
Additionally it would be good to get a look at the employee policy manual. Many companies explicitly state that employees have not expectation of privacy while using company computers/networks. Maybe that won't stand up in court, but that alone could thwart them.
I support what these whistle-blowers are doing, but they should have used their personal computers/mobile devices, not work computers.
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Uhoh, I better make sure I don't have the windows open in my house when listening to music loud. Wonder if they'll go after the people with really loud car stereos too? (please!)
Maybe they really don't want anyone to actually listen to the music, just buy it.
Does this mean...
More industry shills in the comments telling us we are all pirates or pirate apologists and we don't know what we are talking about? Oh that'll be awesome!
It's simple
If you don't like a companies DRM practices don't buy their goods. Eventually the company goes under, the company realizes the mistake, or the good developers go to a company where their work can be appreciated by consumers.
Why buy something that could be rendered useless with a couple mistakes. Even Microsoft will work with you, to a degree, if your Windows/Office activation is having problems.