Dude - you said it yourself... "shouldn't that be my choice?"
IT IS!
Just choose as business model that makes you money.
(surprise twist ending... you are NOT promised a living... no one is.)
Just whatever your choice - if you make it for your reasons (not a PR guy, don't want to CWF, etc) - DONT blame piracy for your lack of income - you are responsible for YOUR choices. Choose something that works but requires you to do "X" you really don't want to - or choose not to "X" and hence not make as much money. Choose!
"but doesn't feel morally obligated to pay me the fee I asked for in the first place. Then I have lost the money I should have made in exchange for that enjoyable experience. "
There! Right There! You lost a sale to me - I will pirate it. /hyperbole
I feel morally obliged to pay what I consider a fair price - it was an AWESOME game - I value it at $10 because the soundtrack was crappy and it had no re-playability. You felt MORALLY OBLIGED to charge $80 for it with DRM up the wazoo and an always-on internet connection.
Well sorry but Fubar that - I would have payed $30 on release day for a DRM free offline playable version. Oh look there is one... its FREE.
So you sell 20,000 for $80 - go you! you missed another 1,000,000 sales at $5 (I would have bought copies for my friends so we can play co-op). go figure why YOU have a MORAL problem.
PS - sorry for caps to lazy to learn html.
PPS - I buy Steam games.. ONLY! Bought every game I ever was given a pirated copy of - that I actually played (not many maybe 5 in 20 years). And I do NOT buy ANY game over $40... I wait (years if needed) to buy at less than 10. So how much did I spend last Steam Sale - $700 plus change for over 30 games (gifted a bunch) some of which were in my wishlist - some my mates bought - and some that looked just mildly interesting but for $5 it was an impulse puchase (no buyers regret).
So please dear gods fix your morality issues - it's not YOU that sets the "Fair Price" its the market (me)!
I remember reading something on a paralegal site about there being an actual law against anything a Juror says after the verdict and decision being legally inadmissible as grounds for appeal/mistrial etc...??
My right of first sale trumps your imaginary license... I sold it to them on paper and they sold it back to me in a file. I must suck at sales because I took a loss on it... oh well.
I just realized - I don't even need to sell it... I can just give it to them and they can give it back to me... The $1 was for postage on the digital file :)
"The instructions on irons now include "Do not attempt to iron clothes while wearing."
Those words are there to stop a lawsuit, if we stopped letting people do stupid things and shift the blame to 3rd parties we'd be better off...
If we started making people have to have responsibility for their actions"
This this a thousand times this.... you cannot stop stupidity - but you can hold those who commit it responsible for their own actions. You sir, have my vote.
So to paraphrase... ALL bands on Youtube suck. ANY band signed to a label is GREAT!
Care to rethink that? Yes - I took the extreme position from your comments but there *ARE* good bands on the tubes and there *ARE* crappy bands signed to labels.... and just maybe people have different taste in music than you...sorry but you pushed my "snob" button there.
*and has*, at any time, been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce...
So if it's made locally.... you can do whatever you like to the serial number as long as it never crosses a border. Or you never check the serial number and hence receive/ship it "un-knowingly".
Not poking fun at you sir... just what looks to be a glaring hole in the law (and yes I am sure the other 42 cluses probably close it)
Actually i have to disagree.... the same comment 5 times gets a bit much even when reading it threaded. You don't need to make your point quite so frequently.
If you wish to make it in a thread... be aware that like me (and probably you) they have already read it in an earlier thread. So mix it up... make the point a different way - tailor it to respond specifically to the thread you are replying in.
I have to agree whith a couple of AC's.
Mike's articles are usually well researched or thought out... yet unless he chose not to link further information he had access to...
30 Months for Hacking and DOS's University network, Distributing malware and botnet to computers, controlling botnets, harvesting finacial data *AND* DDOSing some political websites
... is a *MUCH* more valid title.
Sorry Mike - I expect sensationalist headlines and brief ill-thought statements that misrepresent the facts from the **AA's and mainstream Journo's - not from you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Business 101
Dude - you said it yourself... "shouldn't that be my choice?"
IT IS!
Just choose as business model that makes you money.
(surprise twist ending... you are NOT promised a living... no one is.)
Just whatever your choice - if you make it for your reasons (not a PR guy, don't want to CWF, etc) - DONT blame piracy for your lack of income - you are responsible for YOUR choices. Choose something that works but requires you to do "X" you really don't want to - or choose not to "X" and hence not make as much money. Choose!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
"but doesn't feel morally obligated to pay me the fee I asked for in the first place. Then I have lost the money I should have made in exchange for that enjoyable experience. "
There! Right There! You lost a sale to me - I will pirate it. /hyperbole
I feel morally obliged to pay what I consider a fair price - it was an AWESOME game - I value it at $10 because the soundtrack was crappy and it had no re-playability. You felt MORALLY OBLIGED to charge $80 for it with DRM up the wazoo and an always-on internet connection.
Well sorry but Fubar that - I would have payed $30 on release day for a DRM free offline playable version. Oh look there is one... its FREE.
So you sell 20,000 for $80 - go you! you missed another 1,000,000 sales at $5 (I would have bought copies for my friends so we can play co-op). go figure why YOU have a MORAL problem.
PS - sorry for caps to lazy to learn html.
PPS - I buy Steam games.. ONLY! Bought every game I ever was given a pirated copy of - that I actually played (not many maybe 5 in 20 years). And I do NOT buy ANY game over $40... I wait (years if needed) to buy at less than 10. So how much did I spend last Steam Sale - $700 plus change for over 30 games (gifted a bunch) some of which were in my wishlist - some my mates bought - and some that looked just mildly interesting but for $5 it was an impulse puchase (no buyers regret).
So please dear gods fix your morality issues - it's not YOU that sets the "Fair Price" its the market (me)!
Re:
no - it's a descriptive frame-of-mind used to picture the progress of most copyright-maximists (is that even a word?) along a regulatory capture path.
I imagined a march of Trolls, Gnomes and assorted misfits towards a cliff.
Juror Comments (Legally) Meanigless?
I remember reading something on a paralegal site about there being an actual law against anything a Juror says after the verdict and decision being legally inadmissible as grounds for appeal/mistrial etc...??
Anyone have anything on that?
Re: Re: Re: The Jury
"Why couldn't they do their research? Why did they present evidence late? They just seemed a tad naive the whole way through this process."
Good question - check out the writeup at Groklaw regarding Judicial... um.... inconsistencies in motion rulings.
I am certain a lot of it will come up on appeal.
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Groklaw has compiled a list
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My right of first sale trumps your imaginary license... I sold it to them on paper and they sold it back to me in a file. I must suck at sales because I took a loss on it... oh well.
I just realized - I don't even need to sell it... I can just give it to them and they can give it back to me... The $1 was for postage on the digital file :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: This time I don't agree
"The instructions on irons now include "Do not attempt to iron clothes while wearing."
Those words are there to stop a lawsuit, if we stopped letting people do stupid things and shift the blame to 3rd parties we'd be better off...
If we started making people have to have responsibility for their actions"
This this a thousand times this.... you cannot stop stupidity - but you can hold those who commit it responsible for their own actions. You sir, have my vote.
Re: Re: Re:
score: 3/10... Though I did like the peanut gallery part
Re: More. Rigorous. Licensing.
Depends on your um... Chest and state of clothing :)
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So to refute his valid point you turn to politics....
Re:
^ What he said!
Re: Re:
Dagnammit DH! Please hurry up and register the domain.... I keep hoping for Dark Humour (or a book teser) at the end of your links.
:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: They need to understand what market they are in
Oh me oh my... Parochial much?
Netflix outside the US? nope (last I looked).. or maybe it was Hulu... whatever.
There are quite a few hundred thousand steam users outside the use... sarcasm/ pity we have to fly to the US every time we want to play /sarcasm
Re: but where is the great new music?
So to paraphrase... ALL bands on Youtube suck. ANY band signed to a label is GREAT!
Care to rethink that? Yes - I took the extreme position from your comments but there *ARE* good bands on the tubes and there *ARE* crappy bands signed to labels.... and just maybe people have different taste in music than you...sorry but you pushed my "snob" button there.
Re: Pomplamoose ... Now known in Australia ... by this Techdirt Article
Just you - sorry
Re: Federal law
*and has*, at any time, been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce...
So if it's made locally.... you can do whatever you like to the serial number as long as it never crosses a border. Or you never check the serial number and hence receive/ship it "un-knowingly".
Not poking fun at you sir... just what looks to be a glaring hole in the law (and yes I am sure the other 42 cluses probably close it)
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Actually i have to disagree.... the same comment 5 times gets a bit much even when reading it threaded. You don't need to make your point quite so frequently.
If you wish to make it in a thread... be aware that like me (and probably you) they have already read it in an earlier thread. So mix it up... make the point a different way - tailor it to respond specifically to the thread you are replying in.
That would be better discussion IMHO.
Mike dropped the ball on this one...
I have to agree whith a couple of AC's.
Mike's articles are usually well researched or thought out... yet unless he chose not to link further information he had access to...
30 Months for Hacking and DOS's University network, Distributing malware and botnet to computers, controlling botnets, harvesting finacial data *AND* DDOSing some political websites
... is a *MUCH* more valid title.
Sorry Mike - I expect sensationalist headlines and brief ill-thought statements that misrepresent the facts from the **AA's and mainstream Journo's - not from you.
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Yep - my bad.