Sadly the music labels are still (publicly) making the exact opposite claims, and I fear for the state of my own country's broadband thanks to their fuckery
True, but seeing who it's coming from I've got a sneaking suspicion that any agreement would result in the painful follow up "and that's what I've been saying about dirty pirates too, so ha ha you agree with me".
I'd love to see this glass half full but as the saying goes: "Fool me once - shame on you, be a constant dbag every single day since creating an account for this site - umm......lots more shame on you"
[I'll preface this by saying that I am entirely disgusted by the invasive direction that Microsoft is going in with the One. I will not be going near it, and with Sonys history and Nintendos downward spiral to casual/family it looks like I'll be a PC only man for the next gen at least]
The point that people will watch adverts that are interesting is a good one. I assume Microsoft believe (probabbly correctly) that there are "achieevemnt whores" (AWs) out there that play really terrible games simply because maximum achievements are easily earned. The logic would be that the AWs are forced in to watching crap as well as playing crap just to get that ding and badge.
Of course the worry is that this is eventually used as a stick instead of a carrot, with the service/application/game bricked until you watch a certain amount of advertising (if you think that's a ridiculous proposition then you may have missed the internet connection requirements of the One).
Job losses are a key point in all of this, but I agree we shouldn't quibble over a few thousand either way. The jobs created by the internet and related tech industries dwarf any number the content industry want to make up. So if it boils down to it it's pretty obvious which one to choose, right?
"Advocating denial of a human rights" does sound terribly menacing doesn't it, but it's the same argument as "it's illegal so it's wrong". That declaration was originally written almost 70 years ago, a time where the impact on global freedoms and this interwebs couldn't have been anticipated (and a slight rewording would sort all that).
You knew these things, and yet posted that, choosing to ignore a comprehensive debunking apparently loaded with BS but you're 2 big rebuttals were some minor technical niggle which I don't get the point of, and a "think of the children" plea.
That's all I kept thinking reading this. The games company as the franchisee provide the core software (and probably run their own servers with their preferred setting/rules), but allow individuals such as those running personal servers to become official franchisees. The franchisees get permission to run the core software on their servers, with customised setting/mods etc, and Shanda get a cut.
If you want to see how the hardcore IP enforcers view it, have a read of http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/18/hargreaves_summary_and_first_reaction/
PS: If you're not aware of that authors other work, it's painful. No comments allowed on most stories (email direct to author so he can cherry pick), and in the ones where you can anything contradicting him is screened. Also, he's master of the straw-man, he's like a voodoo priest or something.
After reading his comments in the previous Techdirt article I just had to go look at the Patent Hawk blog ("Underdog" is the one relating to the case against Microsoft)..............It's.....well....You've gotta read it, it's hilarious. The third person stuff is great, and the fact everyone is evil and against him makes it so much funnier.
If it wasn't so entertaining I would love to see him locked up for knowingly manipulating the system and wasting so much of everyones time and money because he's an asshat (but unfortunately that law hasn't come into place yet)
Interesting attempts at arguments, but "event" and "expecations" are far too vague and differ so much from person to person that you can't base laws on them.
So you're back to "in public = no privacy", seems pretty straightforward to me.
Closerest: He bought a house with an awesome games room. The guy he bought it off comes along and locks the door to it, saying that it shouldn't be usable because the floors are unstable (and if someone gets hurt in there it's your fault!).
He decides he's a responsible guy, and reckons he should be able to decide how he uses all the rooms in the house he bought, especially since he bought the house based on that really cool room which was a main selling point (the dodgy floors didn't seem to be a problem before). So he tries to open the door. He's pretty nifty with locks and eventually figures it out.
Since he knows other people have had the same thing happen in their own homes he shares his knowledge.
I've been "debating" this with a few Sony apologists, and they've got a few staples they keep falling back on, so if we are going to discuss this can we agree this is about Sony punishing those who "jailbreak" their PS3 and not:
1) Stopping piracy: A potential follow on, but not part of this debate
2) Stopping cheats: Again, maybe a possible follow on, but cheats have managed to mod save filed and use other methods prior to this
If you can keep it on topic then I am very interested to see why you think these actions are acceptable.
Not sure which way you're going with that. Is that a defense of him? "It's okay because he's done lots of stuff"?
Or are you recommending that someone needs to have a look at all his work over the last 10 years, as since he claims he didn't know he was supposed to attribute there is a very high chance the rest of his work [or at least some of it] is plagiarised too?
If it's the first one, shame on you. If it's the second then I concur.
I get that you're just trolling, but this line right here:
"Alot (MOST) of the time you appear to have little or no understanding of the english language!!", instant classic.
My memory is pretty poor at the best of times, so I can't confirm the exact details of the story, but it has definitely been told to Irish children in school for many years.
The phrase "To every cow its calf, to every book its child-book" is well known throughout Ireland (which says nothing of whether it's true or not, but does mean the story hasn't been "cooked up" recently).
I can't believe I never made the connection with the modern IP isues.
Techdirt has not posted any stories submitted by krusty-g.
Their buddies are still pushing ahead internationally
Sadly the music labels are still (publicly) making the exact opposite claims, and I fear for the state of my own country's broadband thanks to their fuckery
http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0113/672265-file-sharing/
Re: Re: Re: Just don't buy it. Problem solved.
Gosh darn it, successful troll is successful
Re: Different types of "points"
If that's the case then:
1) Build life size replica of myself
2) Sit it in front of TV
3) Play XBox ads on loop
4) Profit
Re: Re: Just don't buy it. Problem solved.
True, but seeing who it's coming from I've got a sneaking suspicion that any agreement would result in the painful follow up "and that's what I've been saying about dirty pirates too, so ha ha you agree with me".
I'd love to see this glass half full but as the saying goes: "Fool me once - shame on you, be a constant dbag every single day since creating an account for this site - umm......lots more shame on you"
Worrying precedent
[I'll preface this by saying that I am entirely disgusted by the invasive direction that Microsoft is going in with the One. I will not be going near it, and with Sonys history and Nintendos downward spiral to casual/family it looks like I'll be a PC only man for the next gen at least]
The point that people will watch adverts that are interesting is a good one. I assume Microsoft believe (probabbly correctly) that there are "achieevemnt whores" (AWs) out there that play really terrible games simply because maximum achievements are easily earned. The logic would be that the AWs are forced in to watching crap as well as playing crap just to get that ding and badge.
Of course the worry is that this is eventually used as a stick instead of a carrot, with the service/application/game bricked until you watch a certain amount of advertising (if you think that's a ridiculous proposition then you may have missed the internet connection requirements of the One).
This is the longest summer in living memory but......
Winter is coming
Re: Senate Protect IP Hearing
Job losses are a key point in all of this, but I agree we shouldn't quibble over a few thousand either way. The jobs created by the internet and related tech industries dwarf any number the content industry want to make up. So if it boils down to it it's pretty obvious which one to choose, right?
"Advocating denial of a human rights" does sound terribly menacing doesn't it, but it's the same argument as "it's illegal so it's wrong". That declaration was originally written almost 70 years ago, a time where the impact on global freedoms and this interwebs couldn't have been anticipated (and a slight rewording would sort all that).
You knew these things, and yet posted that, choosing to ignore a comprehensive debunking apparently loaded with BS but you're 2 big rebuttals were some minor technical niggle which I don't get the point of, and a "think of the children" plea.
Franchise
That's all I kept thinking reading this. The games company as the franchisee provide the core software (and probably run their own servers with their preferred setting/rules), but allow individuals such as those running personal servers to become official franchisees. The franchisees get permission to run the core software on their servers, with customised setting/mods etc, and Shanda get a cut.
The maximalist take
If you want to see how the hardcore IP enforcers view it, have a read of http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/18/hargreaves_summary_and_first_reaction/
PS: If you're not aware of that authors other work, it's painful. No comments allowed on most stories (email direct to author so he can cherry pick), and in the ones where you can anything contradicting him is screened. Also, he's master of the straw-man, he's like a voodoo priest or something.
Wow.....
After reading his comments in the previous Techdirt article I just had to go look at the Patent Hawk blog ("Underdog" is the one relating to the case against Microsoft)..............It's.....well....You've gotta read it, it's hilarious. The third person stuff is great, and the fact everyone is evil and against him makes it so much funnier.
If it wasn't so entertaining I would love to see him locked up for knowingly manipulating the system and wasting so much of everyones time and money because he's an asshat (but unfortunately that law hasn't come into place yet)
Interpretation
Interesting attempts at arguments, but "event" and "expecations" are far too vague and differ so much from person to person that you can't base laws on them.
So you're back to "in public = no privacy", seems pretty straightforward to me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Closerest: He bought a house with an awesome games room. The guy he bought it off comes along and locks the door to it, saying that it shouldn't be usable because the floors are unstable (and if someone gets hurt in there it's your fault!).
He decides he's a responsible guy, and reckons he should be able to decide how he uses all the rooms in the house he bought, especially since he bought the house based on that really cool room which was a main selling point (the dodgy floors didn't seem to be a problem before). So he tries to open the door. He's pretty nifty with locks and eventually figures it out.
Since he knows other people have had the same thing happen in their own homes he shares his knowledge.
Re: Re: Re:
AC misses point? Was it intentional? Never!
Not a literal robber, gun, person or wallet.
Robber: BREIN
Gun: Legal action
Person: ISP
Wallet: Servers
Fits pretty nicely, although would have been better if it was a fake gun (no actual legality to the threat/actions).
You intentionally don't accept of course how stupid your comment sounds now, right?
Common Agruments
I've been "debating" this with a few Sony apologists, and they've got a few staples they keep falling back on, so if we are going to discuss this can we agree this is about Sony punishing those who "jailbreak" their PS3 and not:
1) Stopping piracy: A potential follow on, but not part of this debate
2) Stopping cheats: Again, maybe a possible follow on, but cheats have managed to mod save filed and use other methods prior to this
If you can keep it on topic then I am very interested to see why you think these actions are acceptable.
Seen it before
Didn't Ed Norton try to get Larry Flynt acquitted with a similar defense in his case with Jerry Falwell?
Re:
Not sure which way you're going with that. Is that a defense of him? "It's okay because he's done lots of stuff"?
Or are you recommending that someone needs to have a look at all his work over the last 10 years, as since he claims he didn't know he was supposed to attribute there is a very high chance the rest of his work [or at least some of it] is plagiarised too?
If it's the first one, shame on you. If it's the second then I concur.
Re: Inclusive ?? what about ..... and .... and .... and the other things.?
I get that you're just trolling, but this line right here:
"Alot (MOST) of the time you appear to have little or no understanding of the english language!!", instant classic.
Fuzzy Memory
My memory is pretty poor at the best of times, so I can't confirm the exact details of the story, but it has definitely been told to Irish children in school for many years.
The phrase "To every cow its calf, to every book its child-book" is well known throughout Ireland (which says nothing of whether it's true or not, but does mean the story hasn't been "cooked up" recently).
I can't believe I never made the connection with the modern IP isues.