To add to the comment from AC Mar 19th, 2012 @ 8:38pm, the technology to do this is already there. For more information, read: Mobile Ad-hoc networking.
Knowing the track of the MPAA, the 25PB data search will be with a half-assed automated system and it will lead to lots of collateral damage and innocents to trial.
"That said, along with Mike, I wonder what the IP extremists and companies will do when these kits become more popular and available and the price of 3D printers decline."
Compare the 3D-printer to a rampant pedophile... or start locking it out from the markets due to possible children hazard (See Kinder Surprise).
"In the movie business (or music for that matter) you have a unique product."
The idea that concieves it is unique, but the information that actually contains and transports it isn't. And even better, this information can be replicated without any cost at all. See how I'm quoting you, it's your idea, turned in information and being now replicated in this comment.
"that piracy has created expectations that cannot be met, on price, delivery, and availability"
Your argument has commited suicide just here...
If a "casual pirate" with a low budget PC can do it, why not a multi-millionare industry who can afford complete Workstations and professional IT staffs with ease?
"Any time the movie companies try to run their business in a profitable manner, they have failed to meet the expectations."
Shouldn't they try to actually reinvent their busisness plan to accomodate to the 21st century? And what kind of expectations they have failed to meet? If you mean "Quality of the Content", I don't think piracy is the issue here.
"It's not hard to understand - the competition for content providers right now is their own product, free to get, simple to obtain, and often delivered before the real product even hits the market. No matter what they do (short of giving it all away all the time) they cannot compete, plain and simple."
Then they have a real problem defining who are their competitors and I think they should start there because that's one of the basics in any type of busisness.
Delivered before their product? I'll assume you don't speak about "leaks" here. Still, they send the product with release windows. I could understand the difficulties of selling the product everywhere IF IT WAS COMPLETELY PHYSICAL, but it isn't and in this digital era there is no excuse for them to do that, specially considering the technology we have and how it's available to anyone at almost no cost.
Specially considering how does "piracy" shows us that the content is so easy to transfer that the "3-year gap" or any kind of "time gap" the content distributors (who contractually buy the rights, but do not create the content) is completely ludicrous?
I mean... if the "pirates" can distrubite the content so easily, why the content industry can't?
"Standing up on this issue is going to take great risk to our personal safety but I personally am willing to die before I give up all my rights."
Anecdotally, this was part of the risk the people who fought for their independence was willing to take. Even more, the people protesting right now are risking their safety to fight for their rights.
Ok, they must think that providing different formats of the same content make the content different, so it's a different product.
It's a way of selling convenience out of "artificially created" inconvenience.
Probably the phrase comes from Chris Roberts' "Wing Commander IV: The price of Freedom" (Origin and Electronic Arts, 1995).
On topic, you are right. There is a huge chance that this scenario will come back in any moment. And we have to be ready for it, more than we were for SOPA/PIPA.
I actually believe that copyright should only be useful for naming you as the author of certain piece of art, and it's distribution/reshaping always points back to the author... You keep the right of authorship but not monopolistic ownership once you release "the art" for exhibition.
"COPYING = STEALING"
COPY: Means to get the item and make an exact replica. Now you have 1 and I keep mine. No loss, gain for both.
STEAL: I take the item away from you. You lose the stuff, I get the stuff.
It's the definition of the USA law that attemps to make them equal, when not even the dictionaries consider them synonyms.
The moral argument happens when you declare who is the AUTHOR or the art piece created. If you copy the stuff while saying "X person (the REAL author) did it, I'm just passing it around because I think it's cool and you should check it out" you are already making one hell of a deal there for the artist because you are making free-marketing for him without asking a single penny in return. There is no moral harm because you are not self-declaring yourself as the creator. Yet in the argument, they are trying to extend the so-called moral harm to even just copying the work without thinking what is the next thing you will do.
Morally wrong to disobey the laws? Actually, the very USA forged itself by disobeying the laws (see the Revolution and fight for Independence). But to finally disobey them with a good purpose and reason, first there is an stage called "criticism". You have to be critic of the laws in a constructive way, see which ones are useful to society (like the ones who punish rapes, murdering, child abuse and/or pornography, mass genocide) and the ones who really tax the society and it's progress (Patents, Copyright, the upcoming SOPA/PIPA, the PATRIOT Act). It's after that when you can say: "hell, how did these laws come into first place?" or "isn't there a way to improve the law to make it more benefical to society as a whole?" or "this law should disappear and other laws should support the possibility of not ever allowing something similar to it in any other wording, style or context".
I think that you /are/ actually the conformist because you take the laws you currently have in an almost religious way in your comment without even analyzing why those laws are in the first place or if they are morally coherent. I've heard people criticizing laws that are set in other countries, but do not ask themselves if their current laws are good enough or should be improved. That's actually the part of criticism that is missing a lot lately, is important in any kind of democracy, and is being recovered in the Web 2.0, which is also indirectly yet really endangered right now by SOPÄ/PIPA.
I think that's not going to be possible. Any kind of damage assessment under the "IP infrignment" might be interpreted as proyected sales on a project analysis.
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"Of all things that could happen... This is
THE.
WORST.
POSSIBLE.
THING."
/sarcasm
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"How The TSA is Actively and Willfully Helping The Terrorists Win"
Because the TSA are the actual terrorists?
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To add to the comment from AC Mar 19th, 2012 @ 8:38pm, the technology to do this is already there. For more information, read: Mobile Ad-hoc networking.
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Knowing the track of the MPAA, the 25PB data search will be with a half-assed automated system and it will lead to lots of collateral damage and innocents to trial.
It would be interesting they might have to sue federal goverment members too.
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"That said, along with Mike, I wonder what the IP extremists and companies will do when these kits become more popular and available and the price of 3D printers decline."
Compare the 3D-printer to a rampant pedophile... or start locking it out from the markets due to possible children hazard (See Kinder Surprise).
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My face after reading the article: )-:
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"In the movie business (or music for that matter) you have a unique product."
The idea that concieves it is unique, but the information that actually contains and transports it isn't. And even better, this information can be replicated without any cost at all. See how I'm quoting you, it's your idea, turned in information and being now replicated in this comment.
"that piracy has created expectations that cannot be met, on price, delivery, and availability"
Your argument has commited suicide just here...
If a "casual pirate" with a low budget PC can do it, why not a multi-millionare industry who can afford complete Workstations and professional IT staffs with ease?
"Any time the movie companies try to run their business in a profitable manner, they have failed to meet the expectations."
Shouldn't they try to actually reinvent their busisness plan to accomodate to the 21st century? And what kind of expectations they have failed to meet? If you mean "Quality of the Content", I don't think piracy is the issue here.
"It's not hard to understand - the competition for content providers right now is their own product, free to get, simple to obtain, and often delivered before the real product even hits the market. No matter what they do (short of giving it all away all the time) they cannot compete, plain and simple."
Then they have a real problem defining who are their competitors and I think they should start there because that's one of the basics in any type of busisness.
Delivered before their product? I'll assume you don't speak about "leaks" here. Still, they send the product with release windows. I could understand the difficulties of selling the product everywhere IF IT WAS COMPLETELY PHYSICAL, but it isn't and in this digital era there is no excuse for them to do that, specially considering the technology we have and how it's available to anyone at almost no cost.
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Seriously he expects that on a legislative system full of werid bumps and loopholes, where each bill only ends adding more shaft to the wheat?
It's really hard to believe he can say that with a straight face.
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Specially considering how does "piracy" shows us that the content is so easy to transfer that the "3-year gap" or any kind of "time gap" the content distributors (who contractually buy the rights, but do not create the content) is completely ludicrous?
I mean... if the "pirates" can distrubite the content so easily, why the content industry can't?
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"Standing up on this issue is going to take great risk to our personal safety but I personally am willing to die before I give up all my rights."
Anecdotally, this was part of the risk the people who fought for their independence was willing to take. Even more, the people protesting right now are risking their safety to fight for their rights.
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Ok, they must think that providing different formats of the same content make the content different, so it's a different product.
It's a way of selling convenience out of "artificially created" inconvenience.
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"whining about the judge appointing these meddlesome lawyers who kept him from getting his way"
Seems this mystery is solved.
Re: "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Probably the phrase comes from Chris Roberts' "Wing Commander IV: The price of Freedom" (Origin and Electronic Arts, 1995).
On topic, you are right. There is a huge chance that this scenario will come back in any moment. And we have to be ready for it, more than we were for SOPA/PIPA.
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And that is the Indexed Web we all know... now, if we go into the Deep net...
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I actually believe that copyright should only be useful for naming you as the author of certain piece of art, and it's distribution/reshaping always points back to the author... You keep the right of authorship but not monopolistic ownership once you release "the art" for exhibition.
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"COPYING = STEALING"
COPY: Means to get the item and make an exact replica. Now you have 1 and I keep mine. No loss, gain for both.
STEAL: I take the item away from you. You lose the stuff, I get the stuff.
It's the definition of the USA law that attemps to make them equal, when not even the dictionaries consider them synonyms.
The moral argument happens when you declare who is the AUTHOR or the art piece created. If you copy the stuff while saying "X person (the REAL author) did it, I'm just passing it around because I think it's cool and you should check it out" you are already making one hell of a deal there for the artist because you are making free-marketing for him without asking a single penny in return. There is no moral harm because you are not self-declaring yourself as the creator. Yet in the argument, they are trying to extend the so-called moral harm to even just copying the work without thinking what is the next thing you will do.
Morally wrong to disobey the laws? Actually, the very USA forged itself by disobeying the laws (see the Revolution and fight for Independence). But to finally disobey them with a good purpose and reason, first there is an stage called "criticism". You have to be critic of the laws in a constructive way, see which ones are useful to society (like the ones who punish rapes, murdering, child abuse and/or pornography, mass genocide) and the ones who really tax the society and it's progress (Patents, Copyright, the upcoming SOPA/PIPA, the PATRIOT Act). It's after that when you can say: "hell, how did these laws come into first place?" or "isn't there a way to improve the law to make it more benefical to society as a whole?" or "this law should disappear and other laws should support the possibility of not ever allowing something similar to it in any other wording, style or context".
I think that you /are/ actually the conformist because you take the laws you currently have in an almost religious way in your comment without even analyzing why those laws are in the first place or if they are morally coherent. I've heard people criticizing laws that are set in other countries, but do not ask themselves if their current laws are good enough or should be improved. That's actually the part of criticism that is missing a lot lately, is important in any kind of democracy, and is being recovered in the Web 2.0, which is also indirectly yet really endangered right now by SOPÄ/PIPA.
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Amen to that!
Hopefully it will stay that way...
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I think that's not going to be possible. Any kind of damage assessment under the "IP infrignment" might be interpreted as proyected sales on a project analysis.