I would have to agree with Stallman here. It's to easy to take someones writings on there own opinions, and beliefs, and strew it out of context. I mean how many times have people being reported on, have to go back to the news, and explain themselves when a reporter had twisted what they had said in the interview to mean something that they didn't intend to mean, all do to being cut out or re-edited or something.
I wouldn't want to be defending myself every time someone made a new work based on my opinions, and beliefs, that were taken out of context. You could easily fall down the rabbit hole, chasing that white rabbit all your life
I agree with you Mike, that it is legal right now, but maybe it's time for it to be changed. I mean if your a corporate entity whose business is to essentially build a social hang out where anyone can join and talk to each other, then maybe First amendment rights should be applied.
Facebook is nothing more then a on online virtual courtyard for people to gather and communicate, maybe it should be turned over to the public and regulated as any other public entity. LOL.
Apple is simply trying to play catch up at this point. A lot of the electronic download sites (Juno, MixedUpMusic, etc) you can already listen to the full track let alone 90 second previews. They do this by either overlaying an audio vocal over the song at specific intervals, or only stream 30-60 sec of the song at a time, and if you want to here more of it, or specific section, you have to click on the slider.
"it makes it that much harder for Hollywood to keep charging the kinds of fees it charges."
I think thats the key point here. With the state of the world economically getting worse, and the distance widening between the rich versus the poor, "piracy" as they call it is only going spread.
I'm surprised that no one has looked at the wallets of the consumer much. (At least I haven't seen anything in the posts when I've looked, it usualy revolves around morality on the one end, and changing business models on the other) With over 5 billion people on the planet that make 10 dollars a day and less(http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats), is it any wonder why people are gravitating towards lower cost/free alternatives in the media they consume?
The black market, counterfeiting, and filesharing, is nothing more then a demographic that is not being served, and nothing more. If your making 10 dollars a day, would you buy a dvd for 3 days wages, to watch one movie over and over again, or would you spend that on a internet connection and be able to watch/download a variety of content?
Lets face it, a lot of us dont make a million dollars a year and live in penthouses, as Hollywood serves up in its movies, or the Pop stars continually spew in their lyrics!
I like the idea that was presented, but I have to agree with the various posters, that implementing this idea has it's own unique challenges. Mainly the challenge of inventors fighting over who should get tax revenue from said idea.
I have to disagree with you on this one Mike. This goes against the advertisement is content, and content is advertisment mantra. This is definitley a conflict of interest, you can't sell advertisements promoting a movie for people to go see it, and then on the next page bash it into the ground with negative reviews, telling people not to go see it. You affectively ruined all the advertisement that was paid for by your client. Which is why he is mad, and I believe rightly so. (As he stated in the post, he's not mad over the review but just the TIMING of it)
I do agree the reviews need to be impartial, but I can't see that happening in a magazine when there selling movie advertisements to clients in hopes of getting more people into the seats, and then posting negative reviews of the movies. It's like saying "Go see this movie, but don't go see this movie" Which one would you choose after seeing the ad, and review all in the same magazine. I would think the review would probably leave a more lasting impression then any ad running in it.
No it would be more like you loaning your car to your friend, and he gets busted by the cops in it spying on a girl (privacy issue). Instead of punishing your friend, they throw you in jail cause you gave him your car.
Your forgetting law has it's own language that is incomprehensible to the rest of the world, which is why when these ridiculous rulings come out, we just shake our head in disbelief. Lol.
"Working musicians often have to consider jobs like working on a ship, teaching, playing weddings, etc. to bring in enough money to everything."
Join the freaking club!!! What do you think the rest of us have to do. Even us Non-Musical people have to hold down 2 jobs to make ends meet sometimes. Why should musicians be so special that they should have this entitlement?
"A web browser is a software application for retrieving, presenting, and traversing information resources on the World Wide Web. An information resource is identified by a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) and may be a web page, image, video, or other piece of content.[1] Hyperlinks present in resources enable users to easily navigate their browsers to related resources. Although browsers are primarily intended to access the World Wide Web, they can also be used to access information provided by Web servers in private networks or files in file systems. Some browsers can be also used to save information resources to file systems."
By definition Boxee is a browser, and a browser tailored to online video content. A media player Boxee does use to view the videos, as does any web browser when viewing content on the web (quicktime, flash player, windows media player, etc)
"Would you use Boxee to surf the net normally?" Again, it doesn't have to be a generic web browser. Hell windows explorer by the above definition is a browser, so you could also even argue that within windows media player the explorer interface could be even considered a browser.
""browser", when in reality is it a presentation system for videos. "
What do you think a browser is? It is a presentation system for web content. Instead of using the presentation template from the website you clicked on, you can set up in your own browser to display and present the info in your own pre-defined format. This is all what Boxee is, is a pre-defined format to display video content.
I'm a little confused on the whole radio thing. If the radio is playing of the public airwaves, aren't the radio stations already paying performance fees/licensing for the songs they are broadcasting.
I can see stores/restaurants and the like paying those fees, if they are broadcasting on private airwaves/satellite to feed into there stores for there customers, but on a public air wave, any one and their dog with a radio can tune and listen. Does that mean that we can only listen to be ourselves in a closed room, or only with earphones on.
People will always find away around things. People/governments/corporations will always try to block the consumer on not doing something, and the consumer WILL always find away around.
Anyone who believes they can stop everyone from doing something is sorely misinformed.
examples:
1. The U.S. War on Drugs (That worked out well eh)
2. Newspapers putting up pay walls (Still waiting to see if that will work out, my bets on people flocking to the free alternatives)
3. Movies/music concerning file sharing (**AA still haven't stopped that one from happening, and doesn't appear to be dropping anytime soon)
This blocking social networks on company networks is just another dead end. How to get around it? People are just using there smart phones now, to browse, and do whatever they like. So it really hasn't stopped anything.
Hell I even don't even use ITunes for my ipod, cause I refuse to be locked down to it, and want to be able to transfer my files, back and forth to any computer I choose.
What is it they say in Hackers: "You may stop me, but you can't stop us all!"
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I would have to agree with Stallman here. It's to easy to take someones writings on there own opinions, and beliefs, and strew it out of context. I mean how many times have people being reported on, have to go back to the news, and explain themselves when a reporter had twisted what they had said in the interview to mean something that they didn't intend to mean, all do to being cut out or re-edited or something.
I wouldn't want to be defending myself every time someone made a new work based on my opinions, and beliefs, that were taken out of context. You could easily fall down the rabbit hole, chasing that white rabbit all your life
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“They’re priced too high for consumers,” White said. “We didn’t choose that price, but that’s where the studios forced us to be.”
At least they admitted the actual cause of the problem, unlike netflix.
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Next show after it should be "Lawyers Gone Wild".
Re: Re: What does it matter? Its gone anyway.
I agree with you Mike, that it is legal right now, but maybe it's time for it to be changed. I mean if your a corporate entity whose business is to essentially build a social hang out where anyone can join and talk to each other, then maybe First amendment rights should be applied.
Facebook is nothing more then a on online virtual courtyard for people to gather and communicate, maybe it should be turned over to the public and regulated as any other public entity. LOL.
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Apple is simply trying to play catch up at this point. A lot of the electronic download sites (Juno, MixedUpMusic, etc) you can already listen to the full track let alone 90 second previews. They do this by either overlaying an audio vocal over the song at specific intervals, or only stream 30-60 sec of the song at a time, and if you want to here more of it, or specific section, you have to click on the slider.
Re: Sounds like a great idea... for elite music fans and musicians who want to be pimped out to the highest bidder
If you "know it cant work" then it will not work.
It reminds me of a saying:
Whether you say "I can" or "I can't", either way your are right.
Being successful in whatever you do starts with telling yourself, you can do this, and it will work!!!
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Last I checked the U.S Constitution started off with a socialist statement. "We The People..."
With all the crap thats going on in the states, I'd rather be a socialist then a capitalist right now.
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"it makes it that much harder for Hollywood to keep charging the kinds of fees it charges."
I think thats the key point here. With the state of the world economically getting worse, and the distance widening between the rich versus the poor, "piracy" as they call it is only going spread.
I'm surprised that no one has looked at the wallets of the consumer much. (At least I haven't seen anything in the posts when I've looked, it usualy revolves around morality on the one end, and changing business models on the other) With over 5 billion people on the planet that make 10 dollars a day and less(http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats), is it any wonder why people are gravitating towards lower cost/free alternatives in the media they consume?
The black market, counterfeiting, and filesharing, is nothing more then a demographic that is not being served, and nothing more. If your making 10 dollars a day, would you buy a dvd for 3 days wages, to watch one movie over and over again, or would you spend that on a internet connection and be able to watch/download a variety of content?
Lets face it, a lot of us dont make a million dollars a year and live in penthouses, as Hollywood serves up in its movies, or the Pop stars continually spew in their lyrics!
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I like the idea that was presented, but I have to agree with the various posters, that implementing this idea has it's own unique challenges. Mainly the challenge of inventors fighting over who should get tax revenue from said idea.
Re: Huh!
it's no different than stealing a car because you think BMW is charging too much.
BMW's are getting stolen cause they charge to much. What exactly is your argument.
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I have to disagree with you on this one Mike. This goes against the advertisement is content, and content is advertisment mantra. This is definitley a conflict of interest, you can't sell advertisements promoting a movie for people to go see it, and then on the next page bash it into the ground with negative reviews, telling people not to go see it. You affectively ruined all the advertisement that was paid for by your client. Which is why he is mad, and I believe rightly so. (As he stated in the post, he's not mad over the review but just the TIMING of it)
I do agree the reviews need to be impartial, but I can't see that happening in a magazine when there selling movie advertisements to clients in hopes of getting more people into the seats, and then posting negative reviews of the movies. It's like saying "Go see this movie, but don't go see this movie" Which one would you choose after seeing the ad, and review all in the same magazine. I would think the review would probably leave a more lasting impression then any ad running in it.
just my 2 cents
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No it would be more like you loaning your car to your friend, and he gets busted by the cops in it spying on a girl (privacy issue). Instead of punishing your friend, they throw you in jail cause you gave him your car.
Sounds logical to me!!! (NOT)
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Your forgetting law has it's own language that is incomprehensible to the rest of the world, which is why when these ridiculous rulings come out, we just shake our head in disbelief. Lol.
Re: Re: Re: There have always been working musicians
"Working musicians often have to consider jobs like working on a ship, teaching, playing weddings, etc. to bring in enough money to everything."
Join the freaking club!!! What do you think the rest of us have to do. Even us Non-Musical people have to hold down 2 jobs to make ends meet sometimes. Why should musicians be so special that they should have this entitlement?
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From Wikipedia
"A web browser is a software application for retrieving, presenting, and traversing information resources on the World Wide Web. An information resource is identified by a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) and may be a web page, image, video, or other piece of content.[1] Hyperlinks present in resources enable users to easily navigate their browsers to related resources. Although browsers are primarily intended to access the World Wide Web, they can also be used to access information provided by Web servers in private networks or files in file systems. Some browsers can be also used to save information resources to file systems."
By definition Boxee is a browser, and a browser tailored to online video content. A media player Boxee does use to view the videos, as does any web browser when viewing content on the web (quicktime, flash player, windows media player, etc)
"Would you use Boxee to surf the net normally?" Again, it doesn't have to be a generic web browser. Hell windows explorer by the above definition is a browser, so you could also even argue that within windows media player the explorer interface could be even considered a browser.
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""browser", when in reality is it a presentation system for videos. "
What do you think a browser is? It is a presentation system for web content. Instead of using the presentation template from the website you clicked on, you can set up in your own browser to display and present the info in your own pre-defined format. This is all what Boxee is, is a pre-defined format to display video content.
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I'm a little confused on the whole radio thing. If the radio is playing of the public airwaves, aren't the radio stations already paying performance fees/licensing for the songs they are broadcasting.
I can see stores/restaurants and the like paying those fees, if they are broadcasting on private airwaves/satellite to feed into there stores for there customers, but on a public air wave, any one and their dog with a radio can tune and listen. Does that mean that we can only listen to be ourselves in a closed room, or only with earphones on.
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People will always find away around things. People/governments/corporations will always try to block the consumer on not doing something, and the consumer WILL always find away around.
Anyone who believes they can stop everyone from doing something is sorely misinformed.
examples:
1. The U.S. War on Drugs (That worked out well eh)
2. Newspapers putting up pay walls (Still waiting to see if that will work out, my bets on people flocking to the free alternatives)
3. Movies/music concerning file sharing (**AA still haven't stopped that one from happening, and doesn't appear to be dropping anytime soon)
This blocking social networks on company networks is just another dead end. How to get around it? People are just using there smart phones now, to browse, and do whatever they like. So it really hasn't stopped anything.
Hell I even don't even use ITunes for my ipod, cause I refuse to be locked down to it, and want to be able to transfer my files, back and forth to any computer I choose.
What is it they say in Hackers: "You may stop me, but you can't stop us all!"
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"the music industry in particular, being far too slow in getting their act together and making popular legal alternatives available"
BINGO! Talk about hitting the nail on the head!!!