This is a comment backed by incorrect assumptions.
Glen Greenwald is NOT typical print media. He cut a deal with Salon years ago, which he also cut with the Guardian, to have full editorial control over his columns.
He is able to post directly without an editor. He also gets most of his income not from the paper, but from those readers who choose to support him.
Additionally, Greenwald is one of the leading journalists covering and Assange, Manning, Wikileaks, and anything else related to govt encroachment on liberties.
Whats more, he is EXCEEDINGLY critical of most journalists for playing political games at the expense of getting the truth and exposing corruption.
So to say this was standard print media and unlike wikileaks or that type of website is absurd.
But some of us like to use our brains and make a general opinion using decades of govt activities and stories as a basis.
From this we can determine:
a) the govt always finds fun and interesting ways to interpret laws to gain more power
b) sometimes just takes more power and then later changes laws and forgives itself
c) plenty of people don't want to think for themselves and so will just wait for whatever the govt tells them is going on, with no sense of irony that they were lying to our faces 12 seconds ago but NOW they are telling the truth. For real this time! Guys, seriously! They swear they aren't crossing their fingers or ANYthing!
"Your right to toss water ballons ends where someone else's person begins"
I agree 100%. The problem is that not everything requires an arrest.
There are ways to stop behavior or punish people that don't involve slamming them to the ground unnecessarily and arresting them.
By this logic it's ok to arrest and charge someone who intentionally pushes past you in a rude manner and makes you stumble: He has no right to push someone, therefore crime, therefore arrest the asshole!
This sort of thinking does not allow for a functional society of people.
I find it frustrating if one of the copies that was deleted was one belonging to the woman who made the 911 call for she had plenty of time and opportunity to send copies out before the police arrived to confiscate her phone
Most people don't think this sort of thing will actually happen to them and don't have a plan for getting stuff backed up quickly and easily.
On the other hand, if I just witnessed the cops beating someone to death outside my house, I probably would be backing things up as fast as possible and then leaving the area for a while.
On the other hand, there's a growing reluctance among Americans to allow the government to expand its surveillance efforts to cover more private venues, like email or cell phones.
Washington Post had a huge expose a couple years ago about govt secrecy state, including how trillions of intercepted communications are stored every DAY.
This is the rate of returns, but says nothing of the actual tax rates. https://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/File:Estate_Tax_Returns_as_a_Percentage_of_Adult_Deaths,_1982_-_2010.gif
So you are talking about lower tax rates of a minority of the taxpayers in the country.
I am not saying your statement is untrue - I don't know the fact myself. But these links don't back you up.
Also, comparing us to the "rest of the world" is not the argument. This does not apply.
I hear what you are saying, but the problem with your argument is that no one is forcing you to buy or rent a house in an ares where there is an HOA.
If you'd been living somewhere and then, later, someone was able to force you to join a group - then yes, I agree with you 100%. So far I've never heard of anything of the like, though.
When I make it known my distrust of police, I always hear 'they aren't all evil.' Which I agree with.
Are all cops pedophiles? No. Are all cops crooked? Probably not.
However, in story after story, when a single cop if found to be bad or do something wrong, he almost always is protected by the others.
Even if they don't do the bad thing themselves, the percentage of cops that are either complicit or cover-up or even just 'look the other way' is way, way too high.
These points are all true; that they seem so obvious to me is the part that is frightening!
There was an outage on the text-book's servers. No school today kids!
The other scary part is that the text-book companies have been dinosaurs for 50 years already. I can't see any story like this without thinking of Richard Feynman
I get the part about exceptions being bad. And it's extremely important. Super important.
The idea is if the government is allowed to keep things from us, and we aren't allowed to view their data, then there is literally no oversight (and don't give me 'Congress' as an answer..)
The point gets confused, but we need is transparency of the Government. Not transparency of our neighbors and selves. However, a conflict occurs when the government starts collecting lots of data on us.
Unfortunately, this is almost totally moot anyway. The government hides everything it does behind a shield of national security, and precious few seem to care. (That gives me an idea... all they have to do is declare gun registrations 'classified' and this particular problem goes away.)
(If you hadn't guessed, I am in agreement with those above saying they shouldn't be gathering info on citizens...)
If things weren't so friggin screwed up, the answer would be easy - trust the company, and if they do wrong then it's the government's job to pound on them.
Unfortunately, here in the real world, I don't know the best answer.
However, if we are talking proper encryption here, then it's not handing the keys over to anyone - it's letting me have the keys, Google providing a place to store things that even they can't access, and the govt can go sit in a corner and cry about it.
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This is a comment backed by incorrect assumptions.
Glen Greenwald is NOT typical print media. He cut a deal with Salon years ago, which he also cut with the Guardian, to have full editorial control over his columns.
He is able to post directly without an editor. He also gets most of his income not from the paper, but from those readers who choose to support him.
Additionally, Greenwald is one of the leading journalists covering and Assange, Manning, Wikileaks, and anything else related to govt encroachment on liberties.
Whats more, he is EXCEEDINGLY critical of most journalists for playing political games at the expense of getting the truth and exposing corruption.
So to say this was standard print media and unlike wikileaks or that type of website is absurd.
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It does apply equally.
But some of us like to use our brains and make a general opinion using decades of govt activities and stories as a basis.
From this we can determine:
a) the govt always finds fun and interesting ways to interpret laws to gain more power
b) sometimes just takes more power and then later changes laws and forgives itself
c) plenty of people don't want to think for themselves and so will just wait for whatever the govt tells them is going on, with no sense of irony that they were lying to our faces 12 seconds ago but NOW they are telling the truth. For real this time! Guys, seriously! They swear they aren't crossing their fingers or ANYthing!
It's a nice dream
...but I have 0 confidence that Sony would do this.
I would give them better odds of introducing a better root kit then relaxing DRM in any meaningful way.
Re: "no crime too small" IS A CRIME.
"Your right to toss water ballons ends where someone else's person begins"
I agree 100%. The problem is that not everything requires an arrest.
There are ways to stop behavior or punish people that don't involve slamming them to the ground unnecessarily and arresting them.
By this logic it's ok to arrest and charge someone who intentionally pushes past you in a rude manner and makes you stumble: He has no right to push someone, therefore crime, therefore arrest the asshole!
This sort of thinking does not allow for a functional society of people.
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The reason is because it's a bullshit offense that cops can and do use as an excuse for doing whatever they want.
Don't answer a cop's question? DC.
Ask a cop an awkward question? DC.
Sneeze too close to a cop and forget to cover your mouth? DC.
Any hint of not respecting the authoritah... DC.
Re: Re: Re: Shame
The police also cannot beat you to death in the street.
Oh, wait.
Re: A Learning Moment:
Most people don't think this sort of thing will actually happen to them and don't have a plan for getting stuff backed up quickly and easily.
On the other hand, if I just witnessed the cops beating someone to death outside my house, I probably would be backing things up as fast as possible and then leaving the area for a while.
Re: Re: Re: Re:
yes
It's a little late
Washington Post had a huge expose a couple years ago about govt secrecy state, including how trillions of intercepted communications are stored every DAY.
Now we have FBI counter-terroism agent saying that conversations are recorded:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston
"No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not."
Not sure how much more they can expand it...
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So... proposed amendments to bills are usually offered/added by other people.
While I'm sure many politicians don't read things they are sponsoring at all, that's not what he just said here.
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The part that bugs me the most is the shows that are in the top 10...
I mean, sure, the Duck Dynasty guys have some kickin' beards. But 2 spots? C'mon people!
Re: Re: Re: tons of people being dumb on cell phones
Bees in the car! Bees everywhere! God, they're huge and they're sting crazy!
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shhhhhh... you aren't supposed to point out catch-22s!
Oh, nm, it doesn't matter anyway.. the courts are already quite happy with upholding things like that.
Obviously the answer is to ask a grownup before going to any web site to check the TOS.
Re: Re: Slimy, but tax simplification is not good
"That statement is incorrect. Taxes are near historical lows, both in rates and actual taxes paid."
This one looks at highest and lowest earners.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Historical_Mariginal_Tax_Rate_for_Highest_and_Lowest_Inc ome_Earners.jpg
Corporate Taxes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Effective_Corporate_Tax_Rate_1947-2011_v2.jpg
High income people, again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_high-income_effective_tax_rates.png
This is the rate of returns, but says nothing of the actual tax rates.
https://en.wikipedia.or g/wiki/File:Estate_Tax_Returns_as_a_Percentage_of_Adult_Deaths,_1982_-_2010.gif
So you are talking about lower tax rates of a minority of the taxpayers in the country.
I am not saying your statement is untrue - I don't know the fact myself. But these links don't back you up.
Also, comparing us to the "rest of the world" is not the argument. This does not apply.
Re: freedom of assembly
I hear what you are saying, but the problem with your argument is that no one is forcing you to buy or rent a house in an ares where there is an HOA.
If you'd been living somewhere and then, later, someone was able to force you to join a group - then yes, I agree with you 100%. So far I've never heard of anything of the like, though.
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Language is considered very carefully in legal proceedings.
Although even more so when it comes to deciphering legal documents, the words you say can be excruciatingly picked apart.
This is why I have a poor opinion of cops in general.
When I make it known my distrust of police, I always hear 'they aren't all evil.' Which I agree with.
Are all cops pedophiles? No. Are all cops crooked? Probably not.
However, in story after story, when a single cop if found to be bad or do something wrong, he almost always is protected by the others.
Even if they don't do the bad thing themselves, the percentage of cops that are either complicit or cover-up or even just 'look the other way' is way, way too high.
Re: Profits
These points are all true; that they seem so obvious to me is the part that is frightening!
There was an outage on the text-book's servers. No school today kids!
The other scary part is that the text-book companies have been dinosaurs for 50 years already. I can't see any story like this without thinking of Richard Feynman
http://www.textbookleague.org/103feyn.htm
Not exactly the same situation, but I'm sure some equally shady practices go on to this day concerning how books or systems are put in place.
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I get the part about exceptions being bad. And it's extremely important. Super important.
The idea is if the government is allowed to keep things from us, and we aren't allowed to view their data, then there is literally no oversight (and don't give me 'Congress' as an answer..)
The point gets confused, but we need is transparency of the Government. Not transparency of our neighbors and selves. However, a conflict occurs when the government starts collecting lots of data on us.
Unfortunately, this is almost totally moot anyway. The government hides everything it does behind a shield of national security, and precious few seem to care. (That gives me an idea... all they have to do is declare gun registrations 'classified' and this particular problem goes away.)
(If you hadn't guessed, I am in agreement with those above saying they shouldn't be gathering info on citizens...)
Re: Re: "the more paranoid"
If things weren't so friggin screwed up, the answer would be easy - trust the company, and if they do wrong then it's the government's job to pound on them.
Unfortunately, here in the real world, I don't know the best answer.
However, if we are talking proper encryption here, then it's not handing the keys over to anyone - it's letting me have the keys, Google providing a place to store things that even they can't access, and the govt can go sit in a corner and cry about it.