Mike:
My real worry is that continued efforts by the Gummints of the world against these kids will have the effect of pissing off people that are WAY smarter and WAY more talented. These people will then turn on the government sites, and their corporate sponsors and do some real damage. At least I hope so. This has gone far enough.
People:
What we're seeing here isn't a crime being procecuted. We're seeing the Gummint trying to divert your attention from all of the legal failures they represent, such as drug abuse, financial disasters in the making ($14 TRILLION debt), failures to apprehend or procecute real, dangerous, criminals harming the citizenry, etc. Nothing unexpected.
I do, however, disagree with his attack on the media, both on fair-use grounds (and yes Mike, I agree that is a unique US phenomenon), but also from the standpoint that any publicity is going to enhance his potential sales. He's maybe being a bit too greedy.
Folks, the real bottom line on this silly thread is that Slater wants to be paid for the picture in HIS camera, regardless of who or what pushed the button, and preferably in large amounts. That is the ONLY reason for a copyright claim. And yes, he will continue with the claim until a court, somewhere, shuts him down. I don't blaim him. I'd do it too.
Why all the pussy-footing around with these guys? Righthaven, Gibson, and Mangano, severally, have lied to the courts at several points. Each of these is a FELONY, by state and federal statutes. Why isn't the company disbanded, and why aren't the principals in prison?
Mike:
You might want to contact National Geographic's legal department on this. They have implemented and used several animal-triggered photo sessions in the mag, and thus probably have answered the legal questions.
However, in those cases, the cameras and trigger devices were set up by the photog. The images weren't taken by an animal in physical posession of the camera, so it may not apply.
I'm sorry to take a radical position, BUT, the only way to stop this nonsense is to stop the companies to begin with. The only real way to do that is to stop buying plastic music/films entirely. That will eventually shut down the companies and end the crap that's going on. Do I think it will ever happen? Not no, but Hell no. Sure would be nice, however. We don't really need them anyway, so why put up with them?
I did a Google for "Film badge dosimeter" and got many hits for services that charge $69 PER YEAR for dosimeters and development/reading services. Pretty cheap for personal safety.
What I don't understand is why this farce continues to eat up judicial time and taxpayers money. Somebody should just toss everyone at Wronghaven into the pokey and throw away the key.
Hack Attack
Mike:
My real worry is that continued efforts by the Gummints of the world against these kids will have the effect of pissing off people that are WAY smarter and WAY more talented. These people will then turn on the government sites, and their corporate sponsors and do some real damage. At least I hope so. This has gone far enough.
Diversionary Tactics
People:
What we're seeing here isn't a crime being procecuted. We're seeing the Gummint trying to divert your attention from all of the legal failures they represent, such as drug abuse, financial disasters in the making ($14 TRILLION debt), failures to apprehend or procecute real, dangerous, criminals harming the citizenry, etc. Nothing unexpected.
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Maybe he studued Righthaven too much!
Followup: More BS
I do, however, disagree with his attack on the media, both on fair-use grounds (and yes Mike, I agree that is a unique US phenomenon), but also from the standpoint that any publicity is going to enhance his potential sales. He's maybe being a bit too greedy.
More BS Rides Again
Folks, the real bottom line on this silly thread is that Slater wants to be paid for the picture in HIS camera, regardless of who or what pushed the button, and preferably in large amounts. That is the ONLY reason for a copyright claim. And yes, he will continue with the claim until a court, somewhere, shuts him down. I don't blaim him. I'd do it too.
BS Rides Again
Why all the pussy-footing around with these guys? Righthaven, Gibson, and Mangano, severally, have lied to the courts at several points. Each of these is a FELONY, by state and federal statutes. Why isn't the company disbanded, and why aren't the principals in prison?
Monkey Business
Mike:
You might want to contact National Geographic's legal department on this. They have implemented and used several animal-triggered photo sessions in the mag, and thus probably have answered the legal questions.
However, in those cases, the cameras and trigger devices were set up by the photog. The images weren't taken by an animal in physical posession of the camera, so it may not apply.
Greedy Corporations
I'm sorry to take a radical position, BUT, the only way to stop this nonsense is to stop the companies to begin with. The only real way to do that is to stop buying plastic music/films entirely. That will eventually shut down the companies and end the crap that's going on. Do I think it will ever happen? Not no, but Hell no. Sure would be nice, however. We don't really need them anyway, so why put up with them?
Money Problems
Perhaps our guvmint is now so poor that the 80 or so grand will make a difference. That'll take a bit off our multiple TRILLION debt!
Re: Re: Re: How much is a dosimeter badge?
I did a Google for "Film badge dosimeter" and got many hits for services that charge $69 PER YEAR for dosimeters and development/reading services. Pretty cheap for personal safety.
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What I don't understand is why this farce continues to eat up judicial time and taxpayers money. Somebody should just toss everyone at Wronghaven into the pokey and throw away the key.