ahhh i see what you've done there. You are crafty, but this demonstrates a fundamental truth about our brains. When we are told a lie, the brain immediately believes this lie, it takes another step to disbelieve. This is why in politics so many lies are passed on, even if they admit that that it was a lie or they themselves were misled to believe something, the damages has already been done, and it is up to the opposition to do the hard work of undoing the belief that has been created by a lie. Of course the opposition will be seen as extremists for having to work so hard to undo the damage of the lair, which they will use as a weapon in their fight to keep the believers on their side.
All religions are myths with no proof, so calling disbelieving a myth is a crafty play on not believing in the original myths. As clever as that little play is, it deflects the truth that a creator of the world is a myth to begin with. You further attack the intelligence of the person you are trying to indoctrinate, there for increasing your own authority on the matter, regardless of how faulty your authority is. Then you deflect the whole argument by saying that you don't want to derail things any further, showing that you are taking the high road and deferring to popular argument at hand.... You'd think you were an expert on NLP with how little words you used and how well you used them to illicit a response to make Lobo seem like a bad person for having an opinion and then look worse by having to defend his opinion....
@jake, to be fair, most thefts are never solved. I have had over ?8000 in tools stolen and it has set me back financially as well as psychologically. It takes a long time for a small business to bounce back from B@E's and there is very little the police will do. I offered to GPS my tools and leave them in the vehicle for someone to steal and they could track those tools though the syndicate that preys upon us in this way, but they weren't interested at all. So it would seem that we are left on our own to deal with these bastards ourselves. It's no wonder people want to kill them. A dead thief cannot steal anything else and would make any would be thief think twice before breaking into someone's home or business.
It seems this little country of just over 5 million is on to what the citizens of the world are desperate for, our voices to be heard and in fact acted on. Its hard to imagine how this would work in a country like the UK with 60 + million people, but i'd sure like to see.
I find it interesting that they consider 50,000 people to be the magic number. When petitions are created and even 2.4 million people sign it, this is seen as a small number in government circles.
I seen this on the internet, but it doesn't look like they published the supporting text did they? Just looking for public input after the fact on the final text?
How about The RIAA gives Techdirt a list of all the "good sites" and all the "bad sites" and we will give them some feedback on why their sites don't rank high on the list.
Yes and for some to do is not meaningful enough. Teaching gives meaning to a lot of people, and they do it for a pittance. To take an idea, share it with others so they can build from it, is a valuable service that is under appreciated and under respected. It is the basis of advancements in this world. And those who undermine teachers are the ones who don't have enough sense to keep their mouths shut.
Supporting struggling artists by buying equipment and supplies... i was there...
Donating instruments to schools... I was there...
come up with a better argument to justify the amount of legislation the entertainment industry has. They don't support artists... Artists have to sue the RIAA just to get what is rightfully theirs and work their asses off on tour etc... It is the Entertainment Mafia that makes the money from royalties etc... and now that it is getting easier for artists to go it alone, they are trying to secure their business model of extortion from artists and consumers from all angles. For Christ sake they want to musicians to be accredited through their own system to even publish...
When i filed my taxes, I didn't make a profit either. But I can tell you that my equipment is constantly being updated and improvements are being made to my workshop that i will eventually benefit from. It is a well known fact that the movie industry structures the cost to hide any profits. If they didn't make money they would not be able to fund ACTA/SOPA etc....
Well actually that happens more often then you think. People get work done that they don't have the money for all the time. You simply have to take the punches some times. Again if i got everything that was due to me i'd be pretty well off. That simply isn't the reality of this world. Ask any small business man, and you will hear the same story almost all the time. We all struggle, and it is impossible for small business people to litigate every time someone can't pay. I work far more then my 8 hours a day as a business person as well and get very little reward for it.
Argue all you want in favour of copyright but it will get you no where because common sense dictates in the end. copyright holders loose very little because people who download would not buy if that was the only choice given to them. They would subscribe to services that are fair, but that means the entertainment Mafia will have to share the profits and create better services or have people do it and by shares in those projects.
lol... You have no understanding of how renovations improve not only the resale value of a home but how that also impacts the house prices of the neighborhood. Not to mention the percentage of increase over decades vs if the work was not done.
Besides i don't oppose copyright. I just think it should be fair. I don't begrudge someone getting rich by creating a catchy tune, but its never been easier to create and market it, and the price should reflect this and allowances made for copyright infringement. No one business model should be propped up as much as the entertainment industry is, especially when it profits so much more then other industries.
There is very little risk in creating a work and marketing it or no one would do it. Everyone wants to be a rock star and its no wonder.
The message has always been, that copyright law is to restrictive, prices are to high, distribution is not fair regionally, availability is minimal, and ownership of copyright material once bought isn't a given and is in fact being attacked. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for file sharing, and protest is just as valid as the obvious ones. Just because i don't have anything to do with file-sharing doesn't mean i agree with copyright stake holders. I feel they are the only major cause of file-sharing problems that are so "pervasive" in society today. Sure some people think that they should have it for free buy i'd say that their numbers are very small, so small that it shouldn't even be a blip on hundreds of millions that the entertainment enjoys.
I mainly work in construction, and simply get paid for the work i do. I increase the value of people's assets and only see a small fraction of what that work is really worth. If i applied the same formula to my work as the entertainment system did, i'd be a very rich man indeed. But people wouldn't like the idea of paying a portion of the profits made when they sell their homes, but rightfully it is mine. Without the work, they wouldn't of been able to get the increased value of their property.
So when someone writes a song, say they spend 6 months doing it? how much is that song worth? The time it took to write it? It seems not, It seems like a blank check for years to come, not only that, if someone takes that ?1 fair market value, they can have another check write to them thanks to government, for 150,000 times the value of that song? It's not meant to be fair after all, its meant to deter would be infringes. So all they have to do is make sure it is difficult to get hold of legitimately, and sue when people don't follow the rules. It's simply disgraceful.
People don't need entertainment, they are programed to want it, by the very industry that produces it. Bands are manufactured to target audiences so successfully through the use of memetics and then they wonder why people are so addicted to it that they would steal it. I would argue that because of the use of manufacturing tailored products the industry is wholly responsible for people breaking the laws to get those products.
When you step out of the box for long enough that you are no longer programed to need something, you look at those who have to have something with pity. You can see how they are programed and you see how those who use this tactic create another problem to deal with to make people want it even more.
If i'm looking for a CD, i just go to the car boot. I've only bought one CD new in 5 years, the rest i've spent about ?1 or less on. I got Pink Floyd's another brick in the wall for ?1. Why would i waste time searching for a free download? If you want to be the first to buy something, you are going to pay a lot for it plain and simple, and that is because there is one born every minute.
I'm tired of hearing about piracy, and how it is costing jobs etc... It is all bullshit. It will cost more to enforce then can be recovered and doesn't benefit artist at all. I've heard several songs via google+ and wanted to buy them, but they belong to the Music maffia, so out of principle i won't buy it. Perhaps in a year or two their works will end up in the heap at the car boot as well. Music and entertainment is not worth what they peddle it for and that is because of the big organizations that inflate the price of that art.
Well if we go by those figures, they are trying to get ?30 off each of the 7.7 million people who supposedly regularly download copyrighted files illegally. How is this a problem for government? Why are we legislating and spending how much you retrieve an estimated 236 million?
According to the last economic impact assessment undertaken for the online copyright infringement provisions the ?main affected group? in terms of cost is ISPs and the cost of implementation to ISPs was estimated at ?290-500 million. That doesn't even count how much the bill from OFFcon for enforcing it.
Why do these people still have jobs, please someone remind me.
One day we will wake up to a world where everything we take for-granted today is gone. And it is clear to me that all we are doing is playing a cat and mouse chase game with our governments with the onslaught of measures to change what we value the most. When we react we cannot take action so we need to fight on more then one front at a time. It is one thing to oppose such treaty's as ACTA, bills like SOPA/PIPA, etc... But we should also be fighting for transparency, all stake holders and users of the internet should be represented, and no new laws should be created without a clear harmonized treaty on IP and fair use of that IP.
The thing that bothers me the most about Activism is that people aren't active enough nor is there any collective voice on matters that affect everyone. I started a petition United States Trade Representative's Freedom of Information office: to make the supporting text of the ACTA public: http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-trade-representatives-freedom-of-information-office-to-make-the-supporting-text-of-the-acta-public and in three weeks there have only been 113 signatures. One of the furthest reaching treaty's done in secret and all it's supporting documentation hidden under the guise of national security? I call bullshit. How much national security is involved when the entertainment industry knows more about it then the MEP's of European nations?
There should be ten million signatures on that petition and yet even after e-mailing reddit, the pirate party starting a google+ account to try and network, nothing. Do people really care or just want to complain?
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@bendy...
ahhh i see what you've done there. You are crafty, but this demonstrates a fundamental truth about our brains. When we are told a lie, the brain immediately believes this lie, it takes another step to disbelieve. This is why in politics so many lies are passed on, even if they admit that that it was a lie or they themselves were misled to believe something, the damages has already been done, and it is up to the opposition to do the hard work of undoing the belief that has been created by a lie. Of course the opposition will be seen as extremists for having to work so hard to undo the damage of the lair, which they will use as a weapon in their fight to keep the believers on their side.
All religions are myths with no proof, so calling disbelieving a myth is a crafty play on not believing in the original myths. As clever as that little play is, it deflects the truth that a creator of the world is a myth to begin with. You further attack the intelligence of the person you are trying to indoctrinate, there for increasing your own authority on the matter, regardless of how faulty your authority is. Then you deflect the whole argument by saying that you don't want to derail things any further, showing that you are taking the high road and deferring to popular argument at hand.... You'd think you were an expert on NLP with how little words you used and how well you used them to illicit a response to make Lobo seem like a bad person for having an opinion and then look worse by having to defend his opinion....
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@jake, to be fair, most thefts are never solved. I have had over ?8000 in tools stolen and it has set me back financially as well as psychologically. It takes a long time for a small business to bounce back from B@E's and there is very little the police will do. I offered to GPS my tools and leave them in the vehicle for someone to steal and they could track those tools though the syndicate that preys upon us in this way, but they weren't interested at all. So it would seem that we are left on our own to deal with these bastards ourselves. It's no wonder people want to kill them. A dead thief cannot steal anything else and would make any would be thief think twice before breaking into someone's home or business.
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@Xage Thanks for that. Puts a little more perspective on the numbers.
It seems this little country of just over 5 million is on to what the citizens of the world are desperate for, our voices to be heard and in fact acted on. Its hard to imagine how this would work in a country like the UK with 60 + million people, but i'd sure like to see.
I find it interesting that they consider 50,000 people to be the magic number. When petitions are created and even 2.4 million people sign it, this is seen as a small number in government circles.
I seen this on the internet, but it doesn't look like they published the supporting text did they? Just looking for public input after the fact on the final text?
I thought their stance on this was that reformatting a disk is the first step in piracy? So now they want to be responsible for piracy?
Here's an idea...
How about The RIAA gives Techdirt a list of all the "good sites" and all the "bad sites" and we will give them some feedback on why their sites don't rank high on the list.
apparently someone has copyrighted a song birds call. I wonder if i can copyright a fart?
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lol...
If Universal looses, they have to pay the legal fee's for both sides of the case as far as i'm aware.
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Yes and for some to do is not meaningful enough. Teaching gives meaning to a lot of people, and they do it for a pittance. To take an idea, share it with others so they can build from it, is a valuable service that is under appreciated and under respected. It is the basis of advancements in this world. And those who undermine teachers are the ones who don't have enough sense to keep their mouths shut.
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habitat for humanity? I was there...
Supporting struggling artists by buying equipment and supplies... i was there...
Donating instruments to schools... I was there...
come up with a better argument to justify the amount of legislation the entertainment industry has. They don't support artists... Artists have to sue the RIAA just to get what is rightfully theirs and work their asses off on tour etc... It is the Entertainment Mafia that makes the money from royalties etc... and now that it is getting easier for artists to go it alone, they are trying to secure their business model of extortion from artists and consumers from all angles. For Christ sake they want to musicians to be accredited through their own system to even publish...
Wake up
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When i filed my taxes, I didn't make a profit either. But I can tell you that my equipment is constantly being updated and improvements are being made to my workshop that i will eventually benefit from. It is a well known fact that the movie industry structures the cost to hide any profits. If they didn't make money they would not be able to fund ACTA/SOPA etc....
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Well actually that happens more often then you think. People get work done that they don't have the money for all the time. You simply have to take the punches some times. Again if i got everything that was due to me i'd be pretty well off. That simply isn't the reality of this world. Ask any small business man, and you will hear the same story almost all the time. We all struggle, and it is impossible for small business people to litigate every time someone can't pay. I work far more then my 8 hours a day as a business person as well and get very little reward for it.
Argue all you want in favour of copyright but it will get you no where because common sense dictates in the end. copyright holders loose very little because people who download would not buy if that was the only choice given to them. They would subscribe to services that are fair, but that means the entertainment Mafia will have to share the profits and create better services or have people do it and by shares in those projects.
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lol... You have no understanding of how renovations improve not only the resale value of a home but how that also impacts the house prices of the neighborhood. Not to mention the percentage of increase over decades vs if the work was not done.
Besides i don't oppose copyright. I just think it should be fair. I don't begrudge someone getting rich by creating a catchy tune, but its never been easier to create and market it, and the price should reflect this and allowances made for copyright infringement. No one business model should be propped up as much as the entertainment industry is, especially when it profits so much more then other industries.
There is very little risk in creating a work and marketing it or no one would do it. Everyone wants to be a rock star and its no wonder.
The message has always been, that copyright law is to restrictive, prices are to high, distribution is not fair regionally, availability is minimal, and ownership of copyright material once bought isn't a given and is in fact being attacked. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for file sharing, and protest is just as valid as the obvious ones. Just because i don't have anything to do with file-sharing doesn't mean i agree with copyright stake holders. I feel they are the only major cause of file-sharing problems that are so "pervasive" in society today. Sure some people think that they should have it for free buy i'd say that their numbers are very small, so small that it shouldn't even be a blip on hundreds of millions that the entertainment enjoys.
I mainly work in construction, and simply get paid for the work i do. I increase the value of people's assets and only see a small fraction of what that work is really worth. If i applied the same formula to my work as the entertainment system did, i'd be a very rich man indeed. But people wouldn't like the idea of paying a portion of the profits made when they sell their homes, but rightfully it is mine. Without the work, they wouldn't of been able to get the increased value of their property.
So when someone writes a song, say they spend 6 months doing it? how much is that song worth? The time it took to write it? It seems not, It seems like a blank check for years to come, not only that, if someone takes that ?1 fair market value, they can have another check write to them thanks to government, for 150,000 times the value of that song? It's not meant to be fair after all, its meant to deter would be infringes. So all they have to do is make sure it is difficult to get hold of legitimately, and sue when people don't follow the rules. It's simply disgraceful.
People don't need entertainment, they are programed to want it, by the very industry that produces it. Bands are manufactured to target audiences so successfully through the use of memetics and then they wonder why people are so addicted to it that they would steal it. I would argue that because of the use of manufacturing tailored products the industry is wholly responsible for people breaking the laws to get those products.
When you step out of the box for long enough that you are no longer programed to need something, you look at those who have to have something with pity. You can see how they are programed and you see how those who use this tactic create another problem to deal with to make people want it even more.
If i'm looking for a CD, i just go to the car boot. I've only bought one CD new in 5 years, the rest i've spent about ?1 or less on. I got Pink Floyd's another brick in the wall for ?1. Why would i waste time searching for a free download? If you want to be the first to buy something, you are going to pay a lot for it plain and simple, and that is because there is one born every minute.
I'm tired of hearing about piracy, and how it is costing jobs etc... It is all bullshit. It will cost more to enforce then can be recovered and doesn't benefit artist at all. I've heard several songs via google+ and wanted to buy them, but they belong to the Music maffia, so out of principle i won't buy it. Perhaps in a year or two their works will end up in the heap at the car boot as well. Music and entertainment is not worth what they peddle it for and that is because of the big organizations that inflate the price of that art.
Well if we go by those figures, they are trying to get ?30 off each of the 7.7 million people who supposedly regularly download copyrighted files illegally. How is this a problem for government? Why are we legislating and spending how much you retrieve an estimated 236 million?
According to the last economic impact assessment undertaken for the online copyright infringement provisions the ?main affected group? in terms of cost is ISPs and the cost of implementation to ISPs was estimated at ?290-500 million. That doesn't even count how much the bill from OFFcon for enforcing it.
Why do these people still have jobs, please someone remind me.
Petition the United States Trade Representative's Freedom of Information office: to make the supporting text of the ACTA public.
http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-trade-representatives-freedom-of-information-office-to-make-the-supporting-text-of-the-acta-public
transparency
One day we will wake up to a world where everything we take for-granted today is gone. And it is clear to me that all we are doing is playing a cat and mouse chase game with our governments with the onslaught of measures to change what we value the most. When we react we cannot take action so we need to fight on more then one front at a time. It is one thing to oppose such treaty's as ACTA, bills like SOPA/PIPA, etc... But we should also be fighting for transparency, all stake holders and users of the internet should be represented, and no new laws should be created without a clear harmonized treaty on IP and fair use of that IP.
The thing that bothers me the most about Activism is that people aren't active enough nor is there any collective voice on matters that affect everyone. I started a petition United States Trade Representative's Freedom of Information office: to make the supporting text of the ACTA public: http://www.change.org/petitions/united-states-trade-representatives-freedom-of-information-office-to-make-the-supporting-text-of-the-acta-public and in three weeks there have only been 113 signatures. One of the furthest reaching treaty's done in secret and all it's supporting documentation hidden under the guise of national security? I call bullshit. How much national security is involved when the entertainment industry knows more about it then the MEP's of European nations?
There should be ten million signatures on that petition and yet even after e-mailing reddit, the pirate party starting a google+ account to try and network, nothing. Do people really care or just want to complain?