Don't forget having to buy products from partner's companies in order to unlock additional features. Like Buying Mountain Dew to get power ups in MW3
Games used to be complete packages... fully tested before delivery. I think I need to go find an old Computer (Like PC DOS 7 days), Load up Death Track via 20 floppy disks and actually have fun playing a game.
" Perhaps his father will realize that these issues aren't always so black and white"
Or more likely than a industry exec getting a clue: he will disown him; sue him; and go after him, his parents (yes... including himself), and the rest of his family for millions in damages.
They have words they can use... Copy, Infringe, Distributed. They are choosing not to because it doesn't sound as dirty.
"John Doe copied my work and distributed copies to all his friends, this Infringes on my work's copyright and I want him to cease and desist, and I want compensation for damages that have occurred due to this infringement"
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"John Doe Stole my work and then Gave my work to all his friends. He needs to stop this ongoing theft of my property and pay me what I am owed for each instance of theft."
By using the term "theft" you are basically setting yourself up that one infringement = 1 lost sale. this is because you are objectifying the item copied, and compensation is for the object.
When you talk about it as infringement/damages it is about the act of copying. That act may not be even up to the value of the item. Since nothing is really gone, you can't say $X.XX in product is missing. Since most of these cases are not about commercial infringement they are not making money off of it so they have no revenue that could have potentially been yours.
"International waters" doesn't mean it is lawless. These drones would still be under the jurisdiction from which they were launched. If they choose not to specify a jurisdiction for the aircraft (i.e. unregistered Aircraft) they may, and probably will fall under 'universal jurisdiction' where multiple countries can claim jurisdiction for crimes committed by the craft. Meaning instead of choosing a country with liberal laws to host from, the MAFIAA gets to pick a country with the most conservative copyright/trademark laws and use them to go after the drones.. Talk about slam dunk for the MAFIAA.
I have to say this story is a great attention grab, but really just a gimmick, unless TPB didn't do a google search for "International Waters" because the second result talks about whether they are 'lawless' and "international waters for planes" the fourth result talks specifically about flying craft. So either no one at the TPB did the search, which is kinda hard to believe... or its a hoax.
"As a general rule, ships sailing in international waters are under the jurisdiction of the state or nation to which the vessel is registered. The same applies to planes flying in international airspace.
This means that the laws of the county to which the ship or plane is registered will apply while in transit in international waters or airspace"
I agree with the why bother with drones, but more so in the fact that flying is far more inefficient and harder to implement than a waterproof lifeboat with a gps and solar powered motor.
I choose lifeboat because they are designed to auto-right themselves when blown over by a large wave. They will use way less power to use them and potentially could harness enough power via solar panels mounted to the boat to stay out there indefinitely.
Pirates use .music/.movies/.games they take it down, They all unilaterally switch to: .muzic/.moviez/.gamez take those down
unilaterally switch to: .mp3z/.vidz/.haxorz repeat.
Just because DVDs are on their way out doesn't mean streaming is going to be the only option, Downloading a movie and storing it for playing later is an option.
For Example, They could develop a service that lets you pre-order a new release movie, have it download to you in the week before it releases, and send you a code that unlocks it. Obviously, I'd prefer that the unlock code gives you a completely DRM free version. But they would only do that if they were actually trying to compete with piracy instead of whine about it.
Ahh man, Blaming the failing of an entire industry on one college kid, that happened to meander back into a record store... who was probably looking to buy something. Now I see your logic...fail.
In My Opinion, all of the record stores in my area that have closed (and we still have 3-4 around) provided nothing more than the box stores, or amazon (was around in 2004, and sold CDs, btw). they hired the cheapest high school help that knew nothing about music outside their own interest and basically ran register and stocked things... If you were lucky they would actually know where a CD was that you were looking for, but often not. Same level of service as box stores and the internet.
As far as kids illegally downloading music, yea it happened, a lot. But the number of legal sites to download from were extremely limited. Failure of the industry to provide service, so innovative kids did instead.
This is the exact idea that we dreamed about as kids... And I bet that these artists did too...
Instant Delivery, 'Wonka-Vision' for those that are old enough to remember the 1971 movie. No more waiting for UPS/Fedex, you want something, you print it, at home... products, toys, food, whatever. Apparently while engineers were moving forward at break neck speed with new technologies that allowed instant home delivery (of content in this case) the business majors were in their dorm rooms playing X-Box and getting drunk (my own real life observations, and I am neither an engineer or business major).
"Even the store that sold me my last pair of Rossignol skis – EVO – keeps trying to show me every kind of ski except Rossignol skis. "
Well if your back to buy skis again in less than a year, maybe EVO thinks you dont like your rossignol's and are offering something different to try?
or maybe if you search for ski's they know you already bought skis and are less likely to buy again in a short period of time so they show ads for hats / gloves / jackets / thule roof racks etc. Your google search is suppose to yield what your looking for, the ads are delivering the "accessories" that the stores try to get you to ADD on to your order, because they know you're already going to buy a set of skis... lets jump on the attaching the high-profit items. Just food for thought.
I dont think the EFF is necessarily advocating that a human needs to review every takedown notice, just that companies should be held responsible for all the mistakes of their automated systems. And I would advocate for Rich Kulawiec's remedy (first comment above) as the sanction.
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Don't forget having to buy products from partner's companies in order to unlock additional features. Like Buying Mountain Dew to get power ups in MW3
Games used to be complete packages... fully tested before delivery. I think I need to go find an old Computer (Like PC DOS 7 days), Load up Death Track via 20 floppy disks and actually have fun playing a game.
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" Perhaps his father will realize that these issues aren't always so black and white"
Or more likely than a industry exec getting a clue: he will disown him; sue him; and go after him, his parents (yes... including himself), and the rest of his family for millions in damages.
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They have words they can use... Copy, Infringe, Distributed. They are choosing not to because it doesn't sound as dirty.
"John Doe copied my work and distributed copies to all his friends, this Infringes on my work's copyright and I want him to cease and desist, and I want compensation for damages that have occurred due to this infringement"
VS
"John Doe Stole my work and then Gave my work to all his friends. He needs to stop this ongoing theft of my property and pay me what I am owed for each instance of theft."
By using the term "theft" you are basically setting yourself up that one infringement = 1 lost sale. this is because you are objectifying the item copied, and compensation is for the object.
When you talk about it as infringement/damages it is about the act of copying. That act may not be even up to the value of the item. Since nothing is really gone, you can't say $X.XX in product is missing. Since most of these cases are not about commercial infringement they are not making money off of it so they have no revenue that could have potentially been yours.
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"International waters" doesn't mean it is lawless. These drones would still be under the jurisdiction from which they were launched. If they choose not to specify a jurisdiction for the aircraft (i.e. unregistered Aircraft) they may, and probably will fall under 'universal jurisdiction' where multiple countries can claim jurisdiction for crimes committed by the craft. Meaning instead of choosing a country with liberal laws to host from, the MAFIAA gets to pick a country with the most conservative copyright/trademark laws and use them to go after the drones.. Talk about slam dunk for the MAFIAA.
I have to say this story is a great attention grab, but really just a gimmick, unless TPB didn't do a google search for "International Waters" because the second result talks about whether they are 'lawless' and "international waters for planes" the fourth result talks specifically about flying craft. So either no one at the TPB did the search, which is kinda hard to believe... or its a hoax.
Re: Not sure why they bother with drones....
I agree with the why bother with drones, but more so in the fact that flying is far more inefficient and harder to implement than a waterproof lifeboat with a gps and solar powered motor.
I choose lifeboat because they are designed to auto-right themselves when blown over by a large wave. They will use way less power to use them and potentially could harness enough power via solar panels mounted to the boat to stay out there indefinitely.
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Also probably of note that pirates are moving away from centralized DNS anyways... so anything they do will have Zero effect on piracy.
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So this is just a scaled up whack a mole again...
Pirates use .music/.movies/.games they take it down, They all unilaterally switch to: .muzic/.moviez/.gamez take those down
unilaterally switch to: .mp3z/.vidz/.haxorz repeat.
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All that happens is the money remains unspent
Correction, The money is spent elsewhere boosting a different area of the economy.
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Just because DVDs are on their way out doesn't mean streaming is going to be the only option, Downloading a movie and storing it for playing later is an option.
For Example, They could develop a service that lets you pre-order a new release movie, have it download to you in the week before it releases, and send you a code that unlocks it. Obviously, I'd prefer that the unlock code gives you a completely DRM free version. But they would only do that if they were actually trying to compete with piracy instead of whine about it.
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The song is a Scrubs reference. Not Willy Wonka
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY
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"TechDrirt posts stories all the time of how SOMEONE bought a song because they downloaded an illegal comment"
This is not english, and google translate didn't help when I plugged it in... can anyone translate this into something that makes sense?
What is an illegal comment? Is that like an libelous comment? and what does that have to do about a music sale?
*Head Explodes*
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Ahh man, Blaming the failing of an entire industry on one college kid, that happened to meander back into a record store... who was probably looking to buy something. Now I see your logic...fail.
In My Opinion, all of the record stores in my area that have closed (and we still have 3-4 around) provided nothing more than the box stores, or amazon (was around in 2004, and sold CDs, btw). they hired the cheapest high school help that knew nothing about music outside their own interest and basically ran register and stocked things... If you were lucky they would actually know where a CD was that you were looking for, but often not. Same level of service as box stores and the internet.
As far as kids illegally downloading music, yea it happened, a lot. But the number of legal sites to download from were extremely limited. Failure of the industry to provide service, so innovative kids did instead.
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"you get what you want when you want it."
This is the exact idea that we dreamed about as kids... And I bet that these artists did too...
Instant Delivery, 'Wonka-Vision' for those that are old enough to remember the 1971 movie. No more waiting for UPS/Fedex, you want something, you print it, at home... products, toys, food, whatever. Apparently while engineers were moving forward at break neck speed with new technologies that allowed instant home delivery (of content in this case) the business majors were in their dorm rooms playing X-Box and getting drunk (my own real life observations, and I am neither an engineer or business major).
Re: Who's "Stealing" your stuff?
See this guy gets it... walking out of the studio with a CD of unreleased music that isn't yours... now that would actually be stealing.
Re: Re: It can be, but it's not
I prefer this logic path:
Sharing is Caring,
Sharing is Digital Copying
Copying is like Stealing (Their Definition not mine)
Do the quick algebra,
Cross-cancel things out...
Stealing is Digital Caring.
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"Even the store that sold me my last pair of Rossignol skis – EVO – keeps trying to show me every kind of ski except Rossignol skis. "
Well if your back to buy skis again in less than a year, maybe EVO thinks you dont like your rossignol's and are offering something different to try?
or maybe if you search for ski's they know you already bought skis and are less likely to buy again in a short period of time so they show ads for hats / gloves / jackets / thule roof racks etc. Your google search is suppose to yield what your looking for, the ads are delivering the "accessories" that the stores try to get you to ADD on to your order, because they know you're already going to buy a set of skis... lets jump on the attaching the high-profit items. Just food for thought.
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"You don't think and "oops" in posting up someones music or software package with a hack to the torrents is any better?"
It's not any better, and i invite you to go after the individual that uploaded that content, not the 3rd party platform it was placed on.
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I dont think the EFF is necessarily advocating that a human needs to review every takedown notice, just that companies should be held responsible for all the mistakes of their automated systems. And I would advocate for Rich Kulawiec's remedy (first comment above) as the sanction.
Re: Re: Best moment to give them the Copyleft Talk
I love their music, and their concerts.. speak for yourself.