Given how much these documents are now showing up in the news, you have to imagine that Defense Department "Security Managers" are up to their eyeballs in "reports" from staffers who "inadvertently" run across such classified materials.
No one at those departments are searching the Internet for secret documents.
Perhaps we have forgotten their proclivity for searching out porn... that is keeping them busy.
Reading this article and many of the others on the net about this subject, I wonder if perhaps Verizon and the other companies are compliant because money is involved.
If the government is reimbursing the companies for cooperating, perhaps that would explain why they are so willing to roll over against their customers.
These large communications corporations certainly have enough money and lawyers to appeal an order like this.
Since none of them are stating they tried this tactic it makes me think they sought no legal recourse against the order for securing citizen information.
Oh look, it's an anonymous troll whining about an article that did have a 'substantive suggestion' counterpart yesterday where a blind law professor explained what needed to be done. Oh look, he's that starved for attention.
The troll seems to desperately want a substantive suggestion, so I have one.
If the troll wants to see the real dipshit here, s/he should look in a mirror.
The MPAA lobbyists have been hanging around politicians for way to long.They have learnt the art of saying one thing whilst doing the opposite; which is a vital art for elected politicians.
Chris Dodd was a politician. The MPAA doesn't need to "learn" anything... they just buy politicians that already have expertise in double speak and lies.
The fact that the author of this article is intentionally trying to give us a black eye by saying we were bullying this girl is absurd.
The author of the article has no need to try and give Solaroad a black eye. It appears both the CEO's own words and yours did that all by themselves.
The author of this article seems intent on trying to make us look like terrible people.
Again, your own words make you seem like terrible people.
I would also like to state that having worked for Retti since 2007 I have observed on many occasions that Retti has acted in a prudent and acceptable manner regarding his activities in his elected industry.
If by his "elected industry" you mean looking like a patent troll, then I agree with you.
We have everything on the line here, and we have to protect what is ours. To those people who don't like it, to hell with you.
It seems you and others of your company have a problem with impulse control.
I would suggest your company's officers (and spokesperson) should invest some time in learning how to reach out to people without insulting them for not seeing things the way you think they should.
Perhaps this problem is why your company's "idea" has languished for so many years due to a lack of funding?
I know for a fact that Retti was paying the tuition and living expenses for at least a half dozen college students who had no means of attending college without his help.
From the article:
While throwing around nearly baseless legal threats, Solaroad might want to be a bit more careful with its careless shouts of "infringement." One of its "future products" is SolarFilm:
SolarFilm is a sprayable nano-based solar technology that creates energy by using heat, light, and magnetics. It's unique formulation of photovoltaic (PV) and thermionic chemical compositions make it one of the most advanced solar technologies ever created. SolarFilm is durable, efficient, and extremely versatile. It can be easily applied to a variety of surfaces, such as roadways, shingles, siding, vehicle paints and much more.
This bears quite a resemblance to SolaRoad, another solar-generation-via-roadway-application product developed by Dutch company TNO.
It looks as if your company plays fast and loose with the truth. Why should anyone believe anything you say?
Perhaps people who do not know the extensive laws concerning patents should not comment on them.
First Amendment in the Constitution (free speech in case you are unfamiliar with it) says we are as free to speculate
about patents and your company's motivation in bullying a student as you are free to continue spewing your apparent nonsensical responses.
In closing I would refer you to the "Streisand Effect", which I suspect is beginning to envelop your company. You and the CEO should really stop digging now.
Holding an application is nowhere near as effective as holding an actual patent. While some royalties may be collected from infringement that occurred after the application was published, certain stipulations must be met before the original applicant can make a claim for damages. One of these requirements is that the infringer must have "actual notice" of the published patent. It's hard to imagine that most (if any) science fair projects begin with a patent search, so the noise Solaroad's making only serves one purpose: to inform the involved parties that a.) it exists, b.) it's willing to sue and c.) it's filed an application(s) that might tenuously be related to Khare's work. If she chooses to commercialize her supercapacitor work, Retti can claim she had "actual notice."
Sounds like he is quite willing to sue if the young lady makes or attempts to make any money as a result of her project.
Perhaps Retti should spend less time fretting about inventive 18-year-olds and start refining its existing product line. A visit to Solaroad's site gives you the feeling the products it's touting have endless upside, but digging around a little more leads to the impression that its main products exist only as PDFs and Powerpoint presentations.
One of the signs of a potential patent troll is holding patents (or in this case an application) and doing nothing with it. No product, no further development, just a miserably failed attempt to get funding.
While throwing around nearly baseless legal threats, Solaroad might want to be a bit more careful with its careless shouts of "infringement." One of its "future products" is SolarFilm
This bears quite a resemblance to SolaRoad, another solar-generation-via-roadway-application product developed by Dutch company TNO. This is due for a test run in 2013, with an eye towards replacing all 85,000+ km of the Netherlands' roads and bike paths with the combination solar panel/concrete hybrid.
There's likely no infringement occurring here (in either direction), but Retti and Solaroad have shown they're more than willing to take offense at independent invention. This does very little for whatever legal case it may try to pursue, but it does a great deal towards crafting some very negative "publicity."
More potential troll behavior by making false or inflated product or patent claims.
Sorry, but I don't see the CEO as someone being slighted by the science project winner or a lack of funding.
It still seems as if he is a greedy individual willing to bully and setup for a lawsuit against someone that independently came up with her research that surpasses an idea he had in the 1980s.
I found this article to be interesting on several levels.
The portion of the article that provoked the most thought for me involved the Sloaroad CEO Kahrl Retti and another Solaroad employee Nick Cameron.
It is often stated in the press that corporations are amoral by their very nature and measure success by putting profits above all else.
The Solaroad CEO deciding to take the moral low road regarding the science Fair winner Eesha Khare by threatening a possible lawsuit for something the article says they hold no U.S. patent on, shows that perhaps the amorality of corporations comes from the actions of those that run the corporations.
I wonder if Kahrl Retti stopped for one minute to consider how he would feel if he had a daughter that was threatened in a similar manner by a corporation.
I suspect he did not for one instant pause for that introspection. I believe he saw dollars dancing in his head... dollars that were dancing away from his wallet towards someone else.
This sounds like someone that is motivated by greed above all else.
Another respondent here opined about Solaroad offering a job to the science fair winner. That is a most excellent idea... but apparently greed clouded the judgment that would have allowed for that decision.
This is merely the first step in the copyright industry's plan to eventually make file sharing a capital crime.
The death sentence will be imposed for merely being suspected of file sharing, no costly trial or other attempt at justice will be necessary.
Not to worry though. The copyright industry will assure us their word can be trusted and that an unbiased third party (which used to work for them) will oversee all executions.
I am wondering if we are going to discover that the copyright industry had a hand in this at some point.
In much the same way the Megaupload case was improperly investigated and is being currently managed, so it would seem the Aaron Swartz case was improperly handled.
Either the prosecutor in this case is far out of her area of expertise (technology wise), or she was being "pushed" by an outside interest that needed another talking point about copyright theft and "piracy".
In either case, a bright and creative person has been lost to us. This is a loss that we cannot afford to have happen again. The government cries out for the best and brightest minds, and when they find one this is what happens.
BTW, there are petitions already in place at the "We the People" site which you can sign asking to fire the two DOJ prosecutors involved in this sad mess.
up to their eyeballs, but not looking at "secrets"
Given how much these documents are now showing up in the news, you have to imagine that Defense Department "Security Managers" are up to their eyeballs in "reports" from staffers who "inadvertently" run across such classified materials.
No one at those departments are searching the Internet for secret documents.
Perhaps we have forgotten their proclivity for searching out porn... that is keeping them busy.
up to their eyeballs, but not looking at "secrets"
Money...
Reading this article and many of the others on the net about this subject, I wonder if perhaps Verizon and the other companies are compliant because money is involved.
If the government is reimbursing the companies for cooperating, perhaps that would explain why they are so willing to roll over against their customers.
These large communications corporations certainly have enough money and lawyers to appeal an order like this.
Since none of them are stating they tried this tactic it makes me think they sought no legal recourse against the order for securing citizen information.
Perhaps money eased their collective consciences?
Who'e the bad guy?
"We are not the bad guys, there is a court order making us hand over your information." - Verizon
"We are not the bad guys, we are protecting you." - Obama
"We are not the bad guys, maybe we did or didn't know about this. We can't remember." - Politicians
"We are not the bad guys, we aren't collecting any information." - NSA
I guess the bad guys are the citizens using their phones?
Poor John Steal
It was probably his evil twin brother that did the uploading. /s
Steele and his law firm are long overdue to get what they deserve.
Thanks to a lot of hard work by real attorneys and appropriate experts, it seems the end of this saga is at hand.
With any luck at all, Steele's next residence will involve iron bars and nerve wracking showers.
Re: Re:
Oh look, it's an anonymous troll whining about an article that did have a 'substantive suggestion' counterpart yesterday where a blind law professor explained what needed to be done. Oh look, he's that starved for attention.
The troll seems to desperately want a substantive suggestion, so I have one.
If the troll wants to see the real dipshit here, s/he should look in a mirror.
Re:
The MPAA lobbyists have been hanging around politicians for way to long.They have learnt the art of saying one thing whilst doing the opposite; which is a vital art for elected politicians.
Chris Dodd was a politician. The MPAA doesn't need to "learn" anything... they just buy politicians that already have expertise in double speak and lies.
Re: Nick Cameron from Solaroad Technologies
The fact that the author of this article is intentionally trying to give us a black eye by saying we were bullying this girl is absurd.
The author of the article has no need to try and give Solaroad a black eye. It appears both the CEO's own words and yours did that all by themselves.
The author of this article seems intent on trying to make us look like terrible people.
Again, your own words make you seem like terrible people.
I would also like to state that having worked for Retti since 2007 I have observed on many occasions that Retti has acted in a prudent and acceptable manner regarding his activities in his elected industry.
If by his "elected industry" you mean looking like a patent troll, then I agree with you.
We have everything on the line here, and we have to protect what is ours. To those people who don't like it, to hell with you.
It seems you and others of your company have a problem with impulse control.
I would suggest your company's officers (and spokesperson) should invest some time in learning how to reach out to people without insulting them for not seeing things the way you think they should.
Perhaps this problem is why your company's "idea" has languished for so many years due to a lack of funding?
I know for a fact that Retti was paying the tuition and living expenses for at least a half dozen college students who had no means of attending college without his help.
From the article:
While throwing around nearly baseless legal threats, Solaroad might want to be a bit more careful with its careless shouts of "infringement." One of its "future products" is SolarFilm:
SolarFilm is a sprayable nano-based solar technology that creates energy by using heat, light, and magnetics. It's unique formulation of photovoltaic (PV) and thermionic chemical compositions make it one of the most advanced solar technologies ever created. SolarFilm is durable, efficient, and extremely versatile. It can be easily applied to a variety of surfaces, such as roadways, shingles, siding, vehicle paints and much more.
This bears quite a resemblance to SolaRoad, another solar-generation-via-roadway-application product developed by Dutch company TNO.
It looks as if your company plays fast and loose with the truth. Why should anyone believe anything you say?
Perhaps people who do not know the extensive laws concerning patents should not comment on them.
First Amendment in the Constitution (free speech in case you are unfamiliar with it) says we are as free to speculate
about patents and your company's motivation in bullying a student as you are free to continue spewing your apparent nonsensical responses.
In closing I would refer you to the "Streisand Effect", which I suspect is beginning to envelop your company. You and the CEO should really stop digging now.
Re: Re: Re: Corporations and the people they are made of
I'm not sure you read the same article I did.
Holding an application is nowhere near as effective as holding an actual patent. While some royalties may be collected from infringement that occurred after the application was published, certain stipulations must be met before the original applicant can make a claim for damages. One of these requirements is that the infringer must have "actual notice" of the published patent. It's hard to imagine that most (if any) science fair projects begin with a patent search, so the noise Solaroad's making only serves one purpose: to inform the involved parties that a.) it exists, b.) it's willing to sue and c.) it's filed an application(s) that might tenuously be related to Khare's work. If she chooses to commercialize her supercapacitor work, Retti can claim she had "actual notice."
Sounds like he is quite willing to sue if the young lady makes or attempts to make any money as a result of her project.
Perhaps Retti should spend less time fretting about inventive 18-year-olds and start refining its existing product line. A visit to Solaroad's site gives you the feeling the products it's touting have endless upside, but digging around a little more leads to the impression that its main products exist only as PDFs and Powerpoint presentations.
One of the signs of a potential patent troll is holding patents (or in this case an application) and doing nothing with it. No product, no further development, just a miserably failed attempt to get funding.
While throwing around nearly baseless legal threats, Solaroad might want to be a bit more careful with its careless shouts of "infringement." One of its "future products" is SolarFilm
This bears quite a resemblance to SolaRoad, another solar-generation-via-roadway-application product developed by Dutch company TNO. This is due for a test run in 2013, with an eye towards replacing all 85,000+ km of the Netherlands' roads and bike paths with the combination solar panel/concrete hybrid.
There's likely no infringement occurring here (in either direction), but Retti and Solaroad have shown they're more than willing to take offense at independent invention. This does very little for whatever legal case it may try to pursue, but it does a great deal towards crafting some very negative "publicity."
More potential troll behavior by making false or inflated product or patent claims.
Sorry, but I don't see the CEO as someone being slighted by the science project winner or a lack of funding.
It still seems as if he is a greedy individual willing to bully and setup for a lawsuit against someone that independently came up with her research that surpasses an idea he had in the 1980s.
Corporations and the people they are made of
I found this article to be interesting on several levels.
The portion of the article that provoked the most thought for me involved the Sloaroad CEO Kahrl Retti and another Solaroad employee Nick Cameron.
It is often stated in the press that corporations are amoral by their very nature and measure success by putting profits above all else.
The Solaroad CEO deciding to take the moral low road regarding the science Fair winner Eesha Khare by threatening a possible lawsuit for something the article says they hold no U.S. patent on, shows that perhaps the amorality of corporations comes from the actions of those that run the corporations.
I wonder if Kahrl Retti stopped for one minute to consider how he would feel if he had a daughter that was threatened in a similar manner by a corporation.
I suspect he did not for one instant pause for that introspection. I believe he saw dollars dancing in his head... dollars that were dancing away from his wallet towards someone else.
This sounds like someone that is motivated by greed above all else.
Another respondent here opined about Solaroad offering a job to the science fair winner. That is a most excellent idea... but apparently greed clouded the judgment that would have allowed for that decision.
Re: Hmmmm
Give them the rope to hang themselves.
If they show up, they're screwed.
Don't show up, still screwed.
Either way it will be a good day.
Day of Days
I have a very strong distaste for sleazy lawyers.
Judge Wright has uncovered a virtual hive of them, and it appears his finger is on the off button of their careers.
This is indeed a day of days, only to be topped when Judge Wright shuts them down. I eagerly await that day.
Overall strategy
This is merely the first step in the copyright industry's plan to eventually make file sharing a capital crime.
The death sentence will be imposed for merely being suspected of file sharing, no costly trial or other attempt at justice will be necessary.
Not to worry though. The copyright industry will assure us their word can be trusted and that an unbiased third party (which used to work for them) will oversee all executions.
No feelings...
How can you be so callous towards Hollywood's need for subsidies?
Can you not think of the poor popcorn farmer that will suffer if Hollywood isn't allowed to suck up every dollar it can?
Re:
Seems to me like those cases where the predator tries to get a prey that is too big/strong/smart for it and it's now choking.
One can only hope that this "chokes to death" the career of every DOJ person involved in this farce.
Re:
You're a total fake and coward, and you know it.
Yes, says the Anonymous Coward. You really showed him.
shouldn't the press by now be at least a little skeptical of claims based on dodgy data?
Why?
The recording industry uses dodgy data to weep about piracy.
Politicians cite dodgy data to pass laws.
So called grass roots organizations use dodgy data to make false claims.
Telecoms use dodgy data to get spectrum and subsidies.
Cable companies use dodgy data to increase sub fees.
Everybody is doing it.
The truth, along with fact checking, left town a long time ago.
Re: Re: So many questions...
Not sure where you are going with this? I didn't see where anyone confused a prosecutor with a judge.
Re: Re: So many questions...
A simple rerouting of a drone perhaps?
So many questions...
I am wondering if we are going to discover that the copyright industry had a hand in this at some point.
In much the same way the Megaupload case was improperly investigated and is being currently managed, so it would seem the Aaron Swartz case was improperly handled.
Either the prosecutor in this case is far out of her area of expertise (technology wise), or she was being "pushed" by an outside interest that needed another talking point about copyright theft and "piracy".
In either case, a bright and creative person has been lost to us. This is a loss that we cannot afford to have happen again. The government cries out for the best and brightest minds, and when they find one this is what happens.
BTW, there are petitions already in place at the "We the People" site which you can sign asking to fire the two DOJ prosecutors involved in this sad mess.