not having seen clip (tl;dw), i can say one thing for certain: he -or whoever- is functionally 'correct' in talking about copyright and trademark in the same breath...
for 99.99% of the population, they *are* 'the same kind of shit'...
they simply don't follow these issues like most of techdirtia, *AND* -more importantly- they don't *care* to make the distinction between the legal constraints on copyright vs trademark; they only 'know' (*IF* they know this) that there is some sort of possible legal recourse if they do this or that which is natural for them to do in the course of incorporating *something*/*anything* which *may*, *possibly*, *kinda*, *sorta* be under *some* sort of copyrightrademark whatever...
sure, they hear scare stories which are too true about mothers being sued into oblivion for *something* about 'pirating' (and they surely won't know many -if any- of the details of the situation, much less the legal ramifications), but -like car accidents- those happen to the mythical 'other people'...
and *surely*, doing something as natural as remixing OUR kultur to propagate new/different kultur that is OURS, is as normal and necessary as respiration...
well, not under Empire, boobie:
the money is theirs...
the power is theirs...
the media is theirs...
the choices are theirs...
the voices are theirs...
the kultur is theirs...
...and *now*, even the very blood, sweat, and tears (C) of our existence: OUR lives, OUR words, OUR music, OUR art, OUR seeds, are milked from us, stolen from us, regurgitated to us for profit; in a diluted, whitewashed manner, unlike the original creations of OURS...
*HOW* or *WHY* should 'natural' nekkid apes feel *ANY* differently about THEIR OWN kultur ? ? ?
*ONLY* if they have been propagandized into believing in mythical 'intellectual property' and the insane 'rights' that have grown up around them in the course of the korporatocracy kontrolling The System...
how 'bout 'causing actual harm to children' by droneing them (an arguable war krime)to death from half a planet away ?
a 'good' or an 'evil' ?
most would say 'evil' (why am i guessing you will make excuses for your war-kriminal betters?), but NONE of the perps of these krimes against humanity will EVER see an indictment, much less trial, much less prison...
what does that tell you ?
(assuming you have an open mind)
OUR SOCIETY IS IRRETRIEVABLY CORRUPTED
but, heh, let's jail some poor puke who gets a hard-on for kiddie stories...
*snort*
(why is it we jail child rapists for longer than child killers ? who does this make sense to ?)
actually, you *can* yell 'fire!' in a theater, you just had better be prepared for legal consequences if you are wrong and cause a deadly stampede...
geez, leave it to the abject authoritarian to bring out the 'morals' clause...
stupid shit, there are no 'bad' words, only bad intent:
CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!
(repeat that about a million times until it sinks in)
i'll explain this real simply so even a simpleton can unnerstan:
with buddies on the golf course and i make a crazy lucky shot, they proceed to curse me out and call me every disgusting, obscene name in the book, and yet i'm grinning from ear-to-ear...
b-bu-but, wait! shouldn't i be reduced to tears, cowering in a fetal position, my whole being shaken to the core ?
contrarily, i'm in a bar, and a man who is not my gay lover, is making kiss-kiss noises, and telling me how much he loves me, how pretty i am, what a sweetheart i am, etc, etc...
b-bu-but wait, those are such 'nice' words, how can he really be taunting me to start a fight ? ? ?
you have really hit the nub: there IS NO real 'harm' from 99.99% of your casual 'pirates'; but there is REAL HARM -as in destroying lives- from the preposterous lengths copyright infringers are persecuted...
...and *that* is the fundamental unfairness and hypocrisy you so ably highlighted...
now, would you mind telling *WHEN*/*WHERE* kops, persecutors (sic), or other -you know- officers of the court are ACTUALLY, ever prosecuted for 'lying' ? ? ?
(short answer: practically, relatively speaking, NO ONE, ever...)
now, tell me the times mere, puny citizens have been persecuted for mere lying of no consequence and put in the gaol ? ? ?
ALL THE FUCKING TIME...
yes, it IS lop-sided, at EVERY stage of The System; it is *MEANT* to be lop-sided, NOT as some sort of checks and balances, BUT AS A MEANS TO SUBJUGATE US 99%...
if you are poor and/or brown, The System will chew you up and shit you out, over NOTHING; if you are the annointed ones, you can loot the world's economy, commit war krimes, torture, illegally wiretap, collude, and essentially break any/all laws with impunity...
THAT is the upside-down world we live in now...
(because korporations are people, doncha know...)
REMEMBER: power NEVER devolves voluntarily, NEVER !
no, li'l boy blue is actually technically right in this case:
*SUPPOSEDLY* (yes, i know) corporations were ONLY *GRANTED* a charter IF their proposed project (they were originally mostly 'project based', not in perpetuity) WAS TO BENEFIT THE PUBLIC...
*supposedly*, you were NOT to be granted a charter for the mere purpose of profit, there HAD TO be public benefit in order for 'us' to grant a corporation their charter...
of course, that has all been corrupted to the point where REAL PEOPLE have LESS RIGHTS than legal fictions we now call people...
welcome to bizarro world...
'smelly', as in what a shithead to cheat his servers, etc out of what is *SUPPOSED* to be their main source of payment...
i am ashamed that i did not know until a couple years back, that waitstaff do not even get paid MINIMUM fucking wage, (in most places, i think california is the one honorable exception); and in fact, places where they get a SHAMEFUL pittance per hour and HAVE to rely on tips for their income...
it really sucks, and has made me tip better and more consistently...
the whole thing sucks also, in that when i have -let's say- sub-optimal food (NOT a complainer, will eat marginal food rather than complain) the major way i can communicate that, is by leaving a crappy tip...
...*but* it (99% of the time) isn't the waitperson's fault the food was crappy, so i'm punishing them for the cooks and/or managements failure...
that's not right...
(oh, as an aside, that 99.99% of the time when a manager/whatever comes waltzing around the dining area asking patrons how their food is, they RARELY, ACTUALLY are interested in honest reactions, they pause only long enough to get the usual 'it's fine/good/great', and then they move on...)
*ahem*
now wait just one durn tootin' minute there, pardner...
aren't you the same jerkoff who insists that hiding a comment here in techdirtia is the same as egregious 'censorship' ? ? ?
doesn't it ever occur to you that wanting to have it both ways equals a massive failure in logic and consistency ? ? ?
(which is the bottom-line stance of the MAFIAA as well:
laws for thee but not for meeeeeeeee ! ! !)
the thing MANY of us dislike about you is your intellectual dishonesty and lack of consistent principles...
i have been esearching HD OTA stuff off and on, if you don't mind, what antenna did you end up going with ?
SWMBO is the main stumbling block in cutting the cord, but since espn and dish had some sort of falling out (whatever the fuck do i care what their bidness bullshit is ? i just want my stoopid fucking teevee), she is pissed off that our online espn streaming got squeezed out in some Big Media powerplay...
she wrote them (not that it does any good), but she is about ready to drop the whole enchilada because they have fucked with watching our Gators one too many times...
really, if they (or any big name university) would sell their own broadcasts (which they already do with all but football and basketball) DIRECTLY to us online, we would be happier than a pig in slop... i can't believe they wouldn't make a TON more money, rather than going through espn and the networks...
fuck the dinosaurs, small mammals for the win ! ! !
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
art guerrilla at windstream dot net
eof
well, i think you know better...
that *is* the superficial takeaway, but the REAL goal is to use such FUD to generate monies for their cronies, who then give them 'donations' (read: legalized bribes), who then pass laws to benefit their cronies, who then donate more money to the compliant kongresskritters, who pass more laws to benefit their cronies...
repeat as necessary...
the bullshit concern for the merikan people is mere window dressing, con artist patter to separate us from our money, honey...
kongresskritters are the masters of 3 card monty...
Re: Re: Re:
odd that the inverse is not true...
what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander...
...unless the gander has a drone army !
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re:
what ?
you think you have the right to peaceably assemble, or sumpin' ? ? ?
how quaint...
(now we have 'peaceably assembling while black' violations!)
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
shooting from the lip...
not having seen clip (tl;dw), i can say one thing for certain: he -or whoever- is functionally 'correct' in talking about copyright and trademark in the same breath...
for 99.99% of the population, they *are* 'the same kind of shit'...
they simply don't follow these issues like most of techdirtia, *AND* -more importantly- they don't *care* to make the distinction between the legal constraints on copyright vs trademark; they only 'know' (*IF* they know this) that there is some sort of possible legal recourse if they do this or that which is natural for them to do in the course of incorporating *something*/*anything* which *may*, *possibly*, *kinda*, *sorta* be under *some* sort of copyrightrademark whatever...
sure, they hear scare stories which are too true about mothers being sued into oblivion for *something* about 'pirating' (and they surely won't know many -if any- of the details of the situation, much less the legal ramifications), but -like car accidents- those happen to the mythical 'other people'...
and *surely*, doing something as natural as remixing OUR kultur to propagate new/different kultur that is OURS, is as normal and necessary as respiration...
well, not under Empire, boobie:
the money is theirs...
the power is theirs...
the media is theirs...
the choices are theirs...
the voices are theirs...
the kultur is theirs...
...and *now*, even the very blood, sweat, and tears (C) of our existence: OUR lives, OUR words, OUR music, OUR art, OUR seeds, are milked from us, stolen from us, regurgitated to us for profit; in a diluted, whitewashed manner, unlike the original creations of OURS...
*HOW* or *WHY* should 'natural' nekkid apes feel *ANY* differently about THEIR OWN kultur ? ? ?
*ONLY* if they have been propagandized into believing in mythical 'intellectual property' and the insane 'rights' that have grown up around them in the course of the korporatocracy kontrolling The System...
otherwise,
THIS.
SYSTEM.
IS.
INSANE.
AND.
CRUEL.
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: Re: Re: Re:
how 'bout 'causing actual harm to children' by droneing them (an arguable war krime)to death from half a planet away ?
a 'good' or an 'evil' ?
most would say 'evil' (why am i guessing you will make excuses for your war-kriminal betters?), but NONE of the perps of these krimes against humanity will EVER see an indictment, much less trial, much less prison...
what does that tell you ?
(assuming you have an open mind)
OUR SOCIETY IS IRRETRIEVABLY CORRUPTED
but, heh, let's jail some poor puke who gets a hard-on for kiddie stories...
*snort*
(why is it we jail child rapists for longer than child killers ? who does this make sense to ?)
PRIORITIES, kampers, priorities...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: Re: Re: Yet again, Mike can't find a lower bound.
actually, you *can* yell 'fire!' in a theater, you just had better be prepared for legal consequences if you are wrong and cause a deadly stampede...
geez, leave it to the abject authoritarian to bring out the 'morals' clause...
stupid shit, there are no 'bad' words, only bad intent:
CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!
(repeat that about a million times until it sinks in)
i'll explain this real simply so even a simpleton can unnerstan:
with buddies on the golf course and i make a crazy lucky shot, they proceed to curse me out and call me every disgusting, obscene name in the book, and yet i'm grinning from ear-to-ear...
b-bu-but, wait! shouldn't i be reduced to tears, cowering in a fetal position, my whole being shaken to the core ?
contrarily, i'm in a bar, and a man who is not my gay lover, is making kiss-kiss noises, and telling me how much he loves me, how pretty i am, what a sweetheart i am, etc, etc...
b-bu-but wait, those are such 'nice' words, how can he really be taunting me to start a fight ? ? ?
DO YOU GET IT YET ?
CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING!
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: Re: Re: Re:
good job...
you have really hit the nub: there IS NO real 'harm' from 99.99% of your casual 'pirates'; but there is REAL HARM -as in destroying lives- from the preposterous lengths copyright infringers are persecuted...
...and *that* is the fundamental unfairness and hypocrisy you so ably highlighted...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: There's always a scapegoat
are you an 'merikan citizen ? ? ?
then you ARE a mass murderer, OWN IT, psycho killer...
OUR Empire murders,
we (including me) do NOT overturn Empire,
therefore, we are complicit in the murders,
we are ALL psycho killers by proxy...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: Re: Re: Recording
s-u-r-e it is...
now, would you mind telling *WHEN*/*WHERE* kops, persecutors (sic), or other -you know- officers of the court are ACTUALLY, ever prosecuted for 'lying' ? ? ?
(short answer: practically, relatively speaking, NO ONE, ever...)
now, tell me the times mere, puny citizens have been persecuted for mere lying of no consequence and put in the gaol ? ? ?
ALL THE FUCKING TIME...
yes, it IS lop-sided, at EVERY stage of The System; it is *MEANT* to be lop-sided, NOT as some sort of checks and balances, BUT AS A MEANS TO SUBJUGATE US 99%...
if you are poor and/or brown, The System will chew you up and shit you out, over NOTHING; if you are the annointed ones, you can loot the world's economy, commit war krimes, torture, illegally wiretap, collude, and essentially break any/all laws with impunity...
THAT is the upside-down world we live in now...
(because korporations are people, doncha know...)
REMEMBER: power NEVER devolves voluntarily, NEVER !
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: Re: Pharmacies outside US have no inherent right to US trade!
no, li'l boy blue is actually technically right in this case:
*SUPPOSEDLY* (yes, i know) corporations were ONLY *GRANTED* a charter IF their proposed project (they were originally mostly 'project based', not in perpetuity) WAS TO BENEFIT THE PUBLIC...
*supposedly*, you were NOT to be granted a charter for the mere purpose of profit, there HAD TO be public benefit in order for 'us' to grant a corporation their charter...
of course, that has all been corrupted to the point where REAL PEOPLE have LESS RIGHTS than legal fictions we now call people...
welcome to bizarro world...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re:
below average joe
/\
abject authoritarian
Re: Re: "use of BitTorrent to select and share movies is expressive"
urine idjit
Re: Enough to pay 5000 average citizens
well, 50k would be about twice the 'average' salary of most...
i'm pretty sure approx 50k is the average of two-income households...
so, even more worserer...
Re: Meme-tastic
RESSLING = wrassling ?
if that is the case, i agree...
Re: Re: Re: I'm a Kitchen-Nightmare addict ...
HA!
(said bitterly and skeptically)
Re: Re: Re: Re:
'smelly', as in what a shithead to cheat his servers, etc out of what is *SUPPOSED* to be their main source of payment...
i am ashamed that i did not know until a couple years back, that waitstaff do not even get paid MINIMUM fucking wage, (in most places, i think california is the one honorable exception); and in fact, places where they get a SHAMEFUL pittance per hour and HAVE to rely on tips for their income...
it really sucks, and has made me tip better and more consistently...
the whole thing sucks also, in that when i have -let's say- sub-optimal food (NOT a complainer, will eat marginal food rather than complain) the major way i can communicate that, is by leaving a crappy tip...
...*but* it (99% of the time) isn't the waitperson's fault the food was crappy, so i'm punishing them for the cooks and/or managements failure...
that's not right...
(oh, as an aside, that 99.99% of the time when a manager/whatever comes waltzing around the dining area asking patrons how their food is, they RARELY, ACTUALLY are interested in honest reactions, they pause only long enough to get the usual 'it's fine/good/great', and then they move on...)
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: Re: Re:
good dog, man!
where *do* you get your pizza ? ? ?
IF they don't make their own dough, etc, what is the point ?
Re:
great comment, thanks...
Re: censorship
*ahem*
now wait just one durn tootin' minute there, pardner...
aren't you the same jerkoff who insists that hiding a comment here in techdirtia is the same as egregious 'censorship' ? ? ?
doesn't it ever occur to you that wanting to have it both ways equals a massive failure in logic and consistency ? ? ?
(which is the bottom-line stance of the MAFIAA as well:
laws for thee but not for meeeeeeeee ! ! !)
the thing MANY of us dislike about you is your intellectual dishonesty and lack of consistent principles...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof
Re: to akari
i have been esearching HD OTA stuff off and on, if you don't mind, what antenna did you end up going with ?
SWMBO is the main stumbling block in cutting the cord, but since espn and dish had some sort of falling out (whatever the fuck do i care what their bidness bullshit is ? i just want my stoopid fucking teevee), she is pissed off that our online espn streaming got squeezed out in some Big Media powerplay...
she wrote them (not that it does any good), but she is about ready to drop the whole enchilada because they have fucked with watching our Gators one too many times...
really, if they (or any big name university) would sell their own broadcasts (which they already do with all but football and basketball) DIRECTLY to us online, we would be happier than a pig in slop... i can't believe they wouldn't make a TON more money, rather than going through espn and the networks...
fuck the dinosaurs, small mammals for the win ! ! !
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
art guerrilla at windstream dot net
eof
Re: The reality of governing
well, i think you know better...
that *is* the superficial takeaway, but the REAL goal is to use such FUD to generate monies for their cronies, who then give them 'donations' (read: legalized bribes), who then pass laws to benefit their cronies, who then donate more money to the compliant kongresskritters, who pass more laws to benefit their cronies...
repeat as necessary...
the bullshit concern for the merikan people is mere window dressing, con artist patter to separate us from our money, honey...
kongresskritters are the masters of 3 card monty...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
eof