i'm not usually very good at choosing early winners, but i am usually pretty good at identifying tipping points. this, my friends, was the tipping point. finally someone in media power has put themselves (however reluctantly) out there and finally proven that non-drm isn't just for niche players.
what i find amazing is that in a world that we are told and shown by our leaders is so corrupt, people for the most part are pretty honest and honorable when given the opportunity. more magic from the person who made magic cool again.
i think what you are referring to is the broken windows theory. if people see it advertised it must be okay. if it's okay then i can do it too. therefore, i can become a pimp, prostitute, or john with no repercussions. this drives up the demand and the whole thing grows.
makes sense, but i don't know if it solves the problem.
mike, one thing you didn't do was present a definition of what you think a bulletin board is. from my perspective fb and myspace are bulletin boards, but if you want to split hairs then lets bring out the hairs. this is the first paragraph from wikipedia:
A Bulletin Board System, or BBS, is an online service based on microcomputers running appropriate software. Once logged in, users can upload and download software and data, read news and bulletins, and exchange messages with other users either through email or in public message boards. Many BBSes also offer on-line games, in which users can compete with each other, and BBSes with multiple phone lines often provide chat rooms, allowing users to interact with each other more instantaneously.
now you called facebook and myspace "social media". so you think that because some clever social scientist relabeled the bbs as social media, that somehow this guy should be given additional consideration.
when you are convicted of a crime like this any kind of anonymous communication should off your list for quite some time (which is how the order was worded). these guys are very persistent and clever and will take advantage of any loophole. i'm sorry he cannot network his business using fb and myspace, but that's the price you pay. he was lucky to have the light punishment that he had. now he will server some hard time for trying to game the system.
i don't think this qualifies. you bought a product, period. then you started to use their service. every time you sign into that service is a separate usage. every month you pay your bill continues the relationship. that's the problem with services. your use of it today does not guarantee that it will be the same tomorrow.
while i don't agree with this, i believe that there is a fundamental separation between the product and the service. they are cleverly marketed together, but are actually two different things. for example, you buy a car at the dealer, but you can get it serviced anywhere. however, the dealer will do everything he can to make it seem that you can only have that new car serviced at the dealership.
wait a minute. why are we looking to government on this? this is what reputation is all about. personally, i haven't bought anything from sony in ten years, and will not until their reputation improves and stays improved for many years. i spend my money with innovative companies that back up their products and services.
i am so embarrassed to admit that i am from arizona. it is such a beautiful place to live with a great climate. unfortunately, it is also filled with right wing extremist idiots. it is very difficult to be a democrat (even a conservative one) in this state.
i have sent messages to my state reps and senators as well as the governor urging her to veto the bill. however, it is hard to say how she will react. sometimes she couldn't find her ass with both hands, but occasionally she will rise up in moments of lucidity and veto these stupid bills. i guess it all depends on whether the bill's sponsors have something on her.
as mike was saying, the really sad part about this is that it modifies an existing law that addresses telephone communication. those laws might make some sense. but now that the bill has modified those laws it is entirely possible the the whole thing will be found unconstitutional. that would effectively remove the protections that the original law provided.
are there any nice blue states out there that i can move to?
"mine! mine! mine!" he screamed, clutching his images closely to his chest. the rest of the crowd laughed nervously and drifted away leaving him alone with his images.
lawyers have been manipulating the system to enrich themselves since there have been laws. they have always pushed the boundaries of the law to get what they want.
at some point the courts have to come up to speed. the longer we wait to dump this kind of thing on the courts, the longer we have to wait for them to establish case law.
you don't keep your child from swimming because she doesn't know how. you take her in the pool and make her learn. the longer you wait the harder it becomes.
this is sort of like wanting the department of motor vehicles to weigh in on car forfeiture in a drug case. yes, the dmv issues the title, the plates, and licenses, and they create new specialty license plates for which you can pay extra, but in no way are they involved in what you or the authorities do with your car.
they need to stay neutral and make this a problem for the courts.
either i missed your point altogether or you made it very poorly. each of your arguments falls flat when examined closer.
for example, grandma and grandpa go to the movies every sunday because they want to. when people reach that stage of life they choose their entertainment based on what they like to do. i am old enough to be a grandparent (got off to a late start, however) and so are most of my friends. we are very savvy about our entertainment choices. even my mother has a big screen tv and is also very savvy about her entertainment choices. she watches netflix on her computer, and i didn't show her how to do it.
my teenage kids get their music from the easiest source (usually pandora) not because it is legal, but because it is easy.
you got me on the ultraviolet thing. what the heck is that? but that probably plays more to my argument than yours.
don't ever believe that because you are young that older people are stuck in our ways. people change when they see value in changing.
no one ever said it was free. it's not free for anyone. there are many companies that compile this information and provide the tax processing. you want free then contact the states yourself.
google will validate addresses for free using their api.
usps or ups will provide zip codes. there are other services out there.
if the world were limited to what people like you could find for free, we wouldn't accomplish much. can you imagine trying to cure cancer based on what could be found for free on google? just because you cannot do the research yourself or don't have the connections to get the information yourself doesn't mean that we have to be limited by what you can accomplish.
name sounds familiar
isn't this the guy using religion to wage war on women? that's certainly innovative. sorta like the v2 project was innovative.
new normal
i'm not usually very good at choosing early winners, but i am usually pretty good at identifying tipping points. this, my friends, was the tipping point. finally someone in media power has put themselves (however reluctantly) out there and finally proven that non-drm isn't just for niche players.
what i find amazing is that in a world that we are told and shown by our leaders is so corrupt, people for the most part are pretty honest and honorable when given the opportunity. more magic from the person who made magic cool again.
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one of the defining measures of satire is the concept that it is apparent that it is satire. not sure if this was the case here.
Re: Sure the school could have done something!
so are you saying that the school should come into students' homes and monitor what they are doing?
unless school resources are used or teachers are named, the school has no business in this, period.
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have you been paying attention? not funny.
Re: Three Stages of Political Thinking
when i contacted my rep who actually voted for this thing, #3 is what he told me. to which i replied "read the words".
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i think what you are referring to is the broken windows theory. if people see it advertised it must be okay. if it's okay then i can do it too. therefore, i can become a pimp, prostitute, or john with no repercussions. this drives up the demand and the whole thing grows.
makes sense, but i don't know if it solves the problem.
a rose by any other name
mike, one thing you didn't do was present a definition of what you think a bulletin board is. from my perspective fb and myspace are bulletin boards, but if you want to split hairs then lets bring out the hairs. this is the first paragraph from wikipedia:
A Bulletin Board System, or BBS, is an online service based on microcomputers running appropriate software. Once logged in, users can upload and download software and data, read news and bulletins, and exchange messages with other users either through email or in public message boards. Many BBSes also offer on-line games, in which users can compete with each other, and BBSes with multiple phone lines often provide chat rooms, allowing users to interact with each other more instantaneously.
now you called facebook and myspace "social media". so you think that because some clever social scientist relabeled the bbs as social media, that somehow this guy should be given additional consideration.
when you are convicted of a crime like this any kind of anonymous communication should off your list for quite some time (which is how the order was worded). these guys are very persistent and clever and will take advantage of any loophole. i'm sorry he cannot network his business using fb and myspace, but that's the price you pay. he was lucky to have the light punishment that he had. now he will server some hard time for trying to game the system.
Re: Bait and switch
i don't think this qualifies. you bought a product, period. then you started to use their service. every time you sign into that service is a separate usage. every month you pay your bill continues the relationship. that's the problem with services. your use of it today does not guarantee that it will be the same tomorrow.
while i don't agree with this, i believe that there is a fundamental separation between the product and the service. they are cleverly marketed together, but are actually two different things. for example, you buy a car at the dealer, but you can get it serviced anywhere. however, the dealer will do everything he can to make it seem that you can only have that new car serviced at the dealership.
Re: Re: Self-Inflicted Injury
wait a minute. why are we looking to government on this? this is what reputation is all about. personally, i haven't bought anything from sony in ten years, and will not until their reputation improves and stays improved for many years. i spend my money with innovative companies that back up their products and services.
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i'm not sure i saw the section that you refer to. are you referring to another document. know that might really help with the conversation.
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hmmm....i hadn't thought of it that way. now we are talking silver linings.
Re: What's the cost?
i am so embarrassed to admit that i am from arizona. it is such a beautiful place to live with a great climate. unfortunately, it is also filled with right wing extremist idiots. it is very difficult to be a democrat (even a conservative one) in this state.
i have sent messages to my state reps and senators as well as the governor urging her to veto the bill. however, it is hard to say how she will react. sometimes she couldn't find her ass with both hands, but occasionally she will rise up in moments of lucidity and veto these stupid bills. i guess it all depends on whether the bill's sponsors have something on her.
as mike was saying, the really sad part about this is that it modifies an existing law that addresses telephone communication. those laws might make some sense. but now that the bill has modified those laws it is entirely possible the the whole thing will be found unconstitutional. that would effectively remove the protections that the original law provided.
are there any nice blue states out there that i can move to?
Re: Shut the front door!
"mine! mine! mine!" he screamed, clutching his images closely to his chest. the rest of the crowd laughed nervously and drifted away leaving him alone with his images.
Re: Where are the BAR Associations?
seriously, did you really ask that question?
lawyers have been manipulating the system to enrich themselves since there have been laws. they have always pushed the boundaries of the law to get what they want.
where have you been for the last 1000 years?
Re: Re: Re: dmv
at some point the courts have to come up to speed. the longer we wait to dump this kind of thing on the courts, the longer we have to wait for them to establish case law.
you don't keep your child from swimming because she doesn't know how. you take her in the pool and make her learn. the longer you wait the harder it becomes.
dmv
this is sort of like wanting the department of motor vehicles to weigh in on car forfeiture in a drug case. yes, the dmv issues the title, the plates, and licenses, and they create new specialty license plates for which you can pay extra, but in no way are they involved in what you or the authorities do with your car.
they need to stay neutral and make this a problem for the courts.
Re: Re: Re:
either i missed your point altogether or you made it very poorly. each of your arguments falls flat when examined closer.
for example, grandma and grandpa go to the movies every sunday because they want to. when people reach that stage of life they choose their entertainment based on what they like to do. i am old enough to be a grandparent (got off to a late start, however) and so are most of my friends. we are very savvy about our entertainment choices. even my mother has a big screen tv and is also very savvy about her entertainment choices. she watches netflix on her computer, and i didn't show her how to do it.
my teenage kids get their music from the easiest source (usually pandora) not because it is legal, but because it is easy.
you got me on the ultraviolet thing. what the heck is that? but that probably plays more to my argument than yours.
don't ever believe that because you are young that older people are stuck in our ways. people change when they see value in changing.
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if anybody understand censorship and repression it would be the eastern bloc countries especially poland.
Re: Re: Re: The complexity is unworkable
no one ever said it was free. it's not free for anyone. there are many companies that compile this information and provide the tax processing. you want free then contact the states yourself.
google will validate addresses for free using their api.
usps or ups will provide zip codes. there are other services out there.
if the world were limited to what people like you could find for free, we wouldn't accomplish much. can you imagine trying to cure cancer based on what could be found for free on google? just because you cannot do the research yourself or don't have the connections to get the information yourself doesn't mean that we have to be limited by what you can accomplish.