Also to add into this as part of the labels reorganization strategy Island Def Jam and Universal Motown are in the beginning stages of combining and will then likely be under the Interscope umbrella. Interscope is the only record label right now showing a profit because they have acts that generate an incredible amount of income in licensing, touring, advertising through social media (YouTube Vevo etc) and have loyal fan bases who purchase music. (Eminem, Lady GaGa, Black Eyed Peas)
They've been doing an artist imprint shuffle over there for about nine months now. When they announce the mergers they will of course point their fingers at piracy but that is far from the case. When you take into consideration the fact that IDJ has Justin Bieber, and Motown has Drake/Lil Wayne/Nicki Minaj and then throw in Sony's roster you start to realize all they are doing is consolidating to net a larger profit with less mouths to feed.
They might be still playing catch up and learning about technology, but they have figured out the most important aspect of technology.. It requires half the people, half the overhead, and brings in the type of money not covered in a typical recording contract so they don't have to pay it out. I don't think these guys are as dumb as they would love people to believe they are... Especially Doug Morris.
This pretty much paves the way for a Sony/UMG merger that's been in the set up stages for months. It started with the musical chairs, what people don't realize is that while Doug Morris is now the CEO of Sony, as part of his contract with UMG he's still on the board of directors until 2013. This would for obvious reasons be a massive conflict of interest if it wasn't part of a strategy and agreed to by all parties.
"Do ICE and DoJ keep a record of who meets with federal law enforcement about particular domain names? If not, would you consider keeping such a record and making it publicly available, to ensure transparency in government and that Operation in our Sites is not used to create competitive advantages in the marketplace?"
This is the RIAA and the Label's biggest nightmare.
Last I checked one is supposed to have a right to confront their accusers. The fact that it is sealed and the sites are unable to find out who even complained about them is disturbing. Do the sites not have a right to know which record label or label executive filed a complaint against them?
The legal process is ongoing. The sites were only notified a few weeks ago of the steps to take and the deadline for a response to the court hasn't been reached yet. In other words you have no clue what in the heck you are talking about and would do well to not speak on things you know nothing about.
The problem is nothing seems to be safe as far as I can tell.
.com and .net are ran by Verisign which is a US Based company and we know how they got the domains from the music blogs. .tv is ran through DotTV also through Verisign. Afilias which oversee's .org .info .me .in .mobi is not a US company it is based in Ireland, but it has an office in the US. .fm is BRS Media which is a US Based company.
Then attempting to purchase other domains like .co the registries are very limited so even if I go to purchase a domain with say MelbourneIT they also have a US office. I purchased a domain through a German registrar and ended up at Enom.
Exactly where are we supposed to run to? Everything we've found has an office somewhere in the US and apparently that is all the US needs. GoDaddy did not give up the .org domain they were not notified so it once again came from the top level registry only this time its Afilias.
"It seems pretty clear that the seizures (apart from the stupid piracy fighting enterprise) are also attempting to bust the competitors who are actually adapting."
Oh you have no idea how accurate that statement is.
That would be incorrect. Typically the blogs will only post 3-4 songs of a 16-19 track commercial album. Some blogs might, but not any blogs operating at the level of the blogs mentioned.
Then expand on that further by saying the blogs would be acting with the belief that it was authorized by the copyright holder, and then complied with any and all DMCA notifications, C&D's, or even quick emails asking nicely and you really see the issue. If that is the law as it is written what did the blogs do that was illegal?
I meant to include in my comment. The blogs were not posting full albums, movies nor software. The blogs were used by the Record Labels to generate buzz and promotion for artists and projects to the degree they were included in several artists Marketing Plans.
The Chris Brown song mentioned was released by Chris Brown on a promotional mixtape for FREE to everyone in the world via his website, his label, and his twitter of which he had at the time over 1 Million followers under the name MechanicalDummy. This was at a time period where he was making his return to music after the entire Rihanna fiasco and was for promotional purposes in order to reintroduce him musically to the market and get his buzz up. Included on that mixtape was a song called Deuces. You may see it mentioned. After the blogs posted this song and pushed it it gained such momentum that the Record Label decided to then put it on Itunes for commercial sale and it managed to make it way to #1 on the Billboard chart.
Likewise these same blogs "leaked" Eminem and Dr. Dre's Crack A Bottle. The version of the track leaked was unfinished but created such a buzz the artists and label decided to finish the song, include it on Eminem's Relapse album and release the song as a single. I was #1 on Billboard Hot 100 charts, built buzz for Eminem's Relapse album that sold 619k copies its first week, and won a Grammy.
Likewise these same blogs "leaked" Nicki Minaj's "Your Love" the buzz generated caused the song to be mastered and released officially and went on to be her first #1 on Billboard charts. Nicki had yet to release any album and the result of the publicity and buzz, new fans she generated because of that caused her album to sell over 300k units its first week.
If you do not know what you are speaking about.. Don't speak.
I really think you need to settle down. The President of a RIAA Member's Label owns a website with the exact same content of both blogs taken down. It also lists them on the blog roll and links to them in several posts. Given ICE's interpretation of the law with regards to Torrent-Finder then the RIAA is snitching on the President of one of it's own labels.
Wait till the facts come out. You'll be paying 500.00 to EFF.
Actually they did, even did so by using "cyberlockers"
And umm they don't send copyright for the songs that would be absurd. Nobody is even claiming that. Please don't make assumptions about things you know nothing about.
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Also to add into this as part of the labels reorganization strategy Island Def Jam and Universal Motown are in the beginning stages of combining and will then likely be under the Interscope umbrella. Interscope is the only record label right now showing a profit because they have acts that generate an incredible amount of income in licensing, touring, advertising through social media (YouTube Vevo etc) and have loyal fan bases who purchase music. (Eminem, Lady GaGa, Black Eyed Peas)
They've been doing an artist imprint shuffle over there for about nine months now. When they announce the mergers they will of course point their fingers at piracy but that is far from the case. When you take into consideration the fact that IDJ has Justin Bieber, and Motown has Drake/Lil Wayne/Nicki Minaj and then throw in Sony's roster you start to realize all they are doing is consolidating to net a larger profit with less mouths to feed.
They might be still playing catch up and learning about technology, but they have figured out the most important aspect of technology.. It requires half the people, half the overhead, and brings in the type of money not covered in a typical recording contract so they don't have to pay it out. I don't think these guys are as dumb as they would love people to believe they are... Especially Doug Morris.
This pretty much paves the way for a Sony/UMG merger that's been in the set up stages for months. It started with the musical chairs, what people don't realize is that while Doug Morris is now the CEO of Sony, as part of his contract with UMG he's still on the board of directors until 2013. This would for obvious reasons be a massive conflict of interest if it wasn't part of a strategy and agreed to by all parties.
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"Why don't copyright holders provide or partner with these sites themselves."
At least one RIAA Member Label's President already "provides" a site himself.
"Do ICE and DoJ keep a record of who meets with federal law enforcement about particular domain names? If not, would you consider keeping such a record and making it publicly available, to ensure transparency in government and that Operation in our Sites is not used to create competitive advantages in the marketplace?"
This is the RIAA and the Label's biggest nightmare.
Last I checked one is supposed to have a right to confront their accusers. The fact that it is sealed and the sites are unable to find out who even complained about them is disturbing. Do the sites not have a right to know which record label or label executive filed a complaint against them?
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Yes, they are. I think I would know, I network administrate one of the seized blogs from the Nov. seizures.
Thanks for playing though.
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Yes, it is being challenged.
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The legal process is ongoing. The sites were only notified a few weeks ago of the steps to take and the deadline for a response to the court hasn't been reached yet. In other words you have no clue what in the heck you are talking about and would do well to not speak on things you know nothing about.
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Why would you speak on things as a matter of fact when you know absolutely nothing. They are being challenged and are currently in the legal process.
What is "Safe" though?
The problem is nothing seems to be safe as far as I can tell.
.com and .net are ran by Verisign which is a US Based company and we know how they got the domains from the music blogs. .tv is ran through DotTV also through Verisign. Afilias which oversee's .org .info .me .in .mobi is not a US company it is based in Ireland, but it has an office in the US. .fm is BRS Media which is a US Based company.
Then attempting to purchase other domains like .co the registries are very limited so even if I go to purchase a domain with say MelbourneIT they also have a US office. I purchased a domain through a German registrar and ended up at Enom.
Exactly where are we supposed to run to? Everything we've found has an office somewhere in the US and apparently that is all the US needs. GoDaddy did not give up the .org domain they were not notified so it once again came from the top level registry only this time its Afilias.
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"It seems pretty clear that the seizures (apart from the stupid piracy fighting enterprise) are also attempting to bust the competitors who are actually adapting."
Oh you have no idea how accurate that statement is.
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That would be incorrect. Typically the blogs will only post 3-4 songs of a 16-19 track commercial album. Some blogs might, but not any blogs operating at the level of the blogs mentioned.
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Then expand on that further by saying the blogs would be acting with the belief that it was authorized by the copyright holder, and then complied with any and all DMCA notifications, C&D's, or even quick emails asking nicely and you really see the issue. If that is the law as it is written what did the blogs do that was illegal?
Not All of the sites had forums
" Basically, all of the sites in question had some forums and in some of those forums, some users posted links to other sites"
Dajaz1 did not have forums.
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I can't imagine they would.
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I meant to include in my comment. The blogs were not posting full albums, movies nor software. The blogs were used by the Record Labels to generate buzz and promotion for artists and projects to the degree they were included in several artists Marketing Plans.
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The Chris Brown song mentioned was released by Chris Brown on a promotional mixtape for FREE to everyone in the world via his website, his label, and his twitter of which he had at the time over 1 Million followers under the name MechanicalDummy. This was at a time period where he was making his return to music after the entire Rihanna fiasco and was for promotional purposes in order to reintroduce him musically to the market and get his buzz up. Included on that mixtape was a song called Deuces. You may see it mentioned. After the blogs posted this song and pushed it it gained such momentum that the Record Label decided to then put it on Itunes for commercial sale and it managed to make it way to #1 on the Billboard chart.
Likewise these same blogs "leaked" Eminem and Dr. Dre's Crack A Bottle. The version of the track leaked was unfinished but created such a buzz the artists and label decided to finish the song, include it on Eminem's Relapse album and release the song as a single. I was #1 on Billboard Hot 100 charts, built buzz for Eminem's Relapse album that sold 619k copies its first week, and won a Grammy.
Likewise these same blogs "leaked" Nicki Minaj's "Your Love" the buzz generated caused the song to be mastered and released officially and went on to be her first #1 on Billboard charts. Nicki had yet to release any album and the result of the publicity and buzz, new fans she generated because of that caused her album to sell over 300k units its first week.
If you do not know what you are speaking about.. Don't speak.
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Oh now it's showing as threaded so I can see that you were. It's hilarious that you make as many assumptions as you do, and then get them wrong.
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it's hilarious you think you know everything that was going on with those sites. Might want to do a little detective work, guy."
Was that directed at me?
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I really think you need to settle down. The President of a RIAA Member's Label owns a website with the exact same content of both blogs taken down. It also lists them on the blog roll and links to them in several posts. Given ICE's interpretation of the law with regards to Torrent-Finder then the RIAA is snitching on the President of one of it's own labels.
Wait till the facts come out. You'll be paying 500.00 to EFF.
Re: they were not given the copyright, just the songs..
Actually they did, even did so by using "cyberlockers"
And umm they don't send copyright for the songs that would be absurd. Nobody is even claiming that. Please don't make assumptions about things you know nothing about.
Mike I'm trying to reach you, can you please email me at the email address in this comment? Thank You.