Surely you are better than this. Is this an adult debate or high school? Amazing. Oh well.
But you ARE a nobody - as for example I am. While I am not afraid to sign in I'm still a nobody at this topic - I don't know enough of the topic to contribute. If this was my blog, I'd tell you off just the same (not as eloquent but at least that blunt).
You're just a (pretty bad) troll. I've heard parrots use better informal fallacies...
Still waiting for any sign of reference, proof or link to any of the claims you laid here. You got labeled sparky BECAUSE we don't straight out believe shit here - we check it out. Sources, Mr. Anon, sources. Until that time you have no credibility - come on, you're writing as an Anonymous Coward!
It's strange that you believe you're contributing to this discussion, while we see you for what you are - a troll. And a bad one at that...
Mike, you have fans? You're using CwF + RtB so there's a model that works! ;)
My darling anonymous coward, copyright changed a LOT in these 200 years. And so did society; for example:
It may seem quite amazing that the government seems to have a massive blindspot to how slavery conflicts with basic human rights
It's such a huge conflict that it took almost [more than 2] centuries before anyone even noticed. LOL! Keep selling your B.S., Rosa Parks, I'm sure your dimwitted fans are buying it.
"It seems a little silly to be focused on copyright when there is so much else wrong with the economy and the overwhelming costs of social programs."
I read this as:
"Lets turn a blind eye to copyright profiteers when there's so much other things you should be distracted with."
Yes, I can say one trick pony, because I like that. Hollywood is all about NOT making one trick ponies - there's no way to cash in on "One trick Pony 2 - The Revenge of the pony". Remakes and sequels/prequels - that's what hollywood is all about today. Oh, and cheap superhero comic book movies.
Lets not forget greedy "lets make last movie of x-logy in two parts but charge them as 2 seperate movies!". LOTR and Matrix didn't do that and that movie bundles were looooong... shame on you J. K. Rowling, shame on you Stephenie Meyer!
Try to refrain from stupidity. There's no such thing as an illegal downloading. Gaining access to a file can be illegal. Also subsequent usage of that information can in some cases be illegal. Downloading is like reading - you copy and move information and that is not illegal.
"the vast majority of musicians want to keep copyright."
Where did you get this information? No, it's not common sense to think that - in some places in USA it's common sense to pray for getting better.
"There seems to be this idea here that bringing down the music industry and dismantling copyright wont destroy a lot of music industry careers for very ordinary workers on average wages."
But moving jobs to China is destroying noones career?
Sometimes techdirt feels like a normal debate but with a few of Speakers' Corner Crazies mixed in. We all get a voice...
"For me, it's the real issue - Mike pushes for change, but proposes nothing of substance on the other side, points his finger at a few exception cases of artists doing good, and tries to make it sound like it's a whole new industry. But reality says that exceptions don't make the rules."
Wow. I don't think Mike, a blogger is at fault here. So now you don't have a right to criticize without contributing a solution to the problem? kinda like:
Me: "Our public road to Xyz is full of potholes - what do you intend to do about it?"
Public official: "Do you have any feasible solutions?"
Me: "Ehm, no?"
PO: "Then shut up."
"The infrastructure isn't going away, the collection agencies, the publishing companies, and the artist contracts are not going away."
Deconstructing in progress...
1. infrastructure - what infrastructure? Theaters? Please - the only infrastructure EVERYONE uses today is the internet. And Hollywood did not sink dollars in the developement of Internet - USA army and CERN did.
2. collection agencies - yes, they are going away. And good riddance - we have a different name for collection agencies, that protect your stuff for money. They're called mafia.
3. publishing companies - are made redundant in the age of internet. Artist is his own publisher.
4. artist contracts - yes, these contracts are gone, unless you're willing to sign one with yourself
"The music and movie industries both have not only extensive creation side businesses, but also have incredible distribution networks, methods, business models, and operating systems in place that work and allow everyone in the process to make some money."
Oh please - without citations/facts (aaaaaargh!) your sentence is just propaganda. You see, this is the problem - "...and allow everyone in the process to make some money." ---> Why would everyone in the process make any money? We don't need all these middlemen - I can (technically):
1. record a whole album at home
2. publish it globally (internet)
3. distribute it for a fraction of classic server bandwidth cost (bittorrent)
There are not just a few exceptions - check out Promo Bay. A lot of people are embracing new ways to sell music merch and that makes YOU the one who's pointing fingers to old business models and screaming "Make it work!!!"
And that just makes you lazy - you are not an artist, you are one of the middlemen.
You're stepping from dogshit to bullshit and I'm starting to wonder if you ever took a step on the pavement. You probably do know that your anonymous mask in administrators eyes is just semi-anonymous.
If you wanted, you can put all those little pictures on these (expensive!!) keyboards. All this "providing access to higher level keyboard"? It's called a link. And data behind it? A database. And connections between pictures and higher level keyboards? I can do that better with algorithms that expand your most used paths and suggest similar ones.
Stupid software patent system - it never should have existed.
ok, it's a bad analogy. Better if I'd written 'curtains and police able to see into your living room.'. If you have your bank PIN number or safe combination in plain sight that's your problem.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Saw this clueless kneejerk coming.
Surely you are better than this. Is this an adult debate or high school? Amazing. Oh well.
But you ARE a nobody - as for example I am. While I am not afraid to sign in I'm still a nobody at this topic - I don't know enough of the topic to contribute. If this was my blog, I'd tell you off just the same (not as eloquent but at least that blunt).
You're just a (pretty bad) troll. I've heard parrots use better informal fallacies...
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Still waiting for any sign of reference, proof or link to any of the claims you laid here. You got labeled sparky BECAUSE we don't straight out believe shit here - we check it out. Sources, Mr. Anon, sources. Until that time you have no credibility - come on, you're writing as an Anonymous Coward!
It's strange that you believe you're contributing to this discussion, while we see you for what you are - a troll. And a bad one at that...
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Mike, you have fans? You're using CwF + RtB so there's a model that works! ;)
My darling anonymous coward, copyright changed a LOT in these 200 years. And so did society; for example:
It may seem quite amazing that the government seems to have a massive blindspot to how slavery conflicts with basic human rights
It's such a huge conflict that it took almost [more than 2] centuries before anyone even noticed. LOL! Keep selling your B.S., Rosa Parks, I'm sure your dimwitted fans are buying it.
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"It seems a little silly to be focused on copyright when there is so much else wrong with the economy and the overwhelming costs of social programs."
I read this as:
"Lets turn a blind eye to copyright profiteers when there's so much other things you should be distracted with."
Yes, I can say one trick pony, because I like that. Hollywood is all about NOT making one trick ponies - there's no way to cash in on "One trick Pony 2 - The Revenge of the pony". Remakes and sequels/prequels - that's what hollywood is all about today. Oh, and cheap superhero comic book movies.
Lets not forget greedy "lets make last movie of x-logy in two parts but charge them as 2 seperate movies!". LOTR and Matrix didn't do that and that movie bundles were looooong... shame on you J. K. Rowling, shame on you Stephenie Meyer!
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"It took a decade for Piracy to severely damage the music industry. Why the heck do you think it would reverse in only a couple of months?"
It took a decade for Weather to severely damage the main road.
Weather is EVIL! Actually weather means theft. So... lovely theft we're having today!
/arrogance is worse than stupidity
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"It's about paying for the product, in the first instance."
But you got paid in the first instance - someone bought your product and shared it online. You got paid for it.
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Surely you meant "...if so many people stopped downloading without encryption."
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"It took a decade for piracy to decimate the music industry"
lies - music industry is thriving. Recording industry decimated itself. There is a difference.
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"With widespread illegal downloading"
Try to refrain from stupidity. There's no such thing as an illegal downloading. Gaining access to a file can be illegal. Also subsequent usage of that information can in some cases be illegal. Downloading is like reading - you copy and move information and that is not illegal.
"the vast majority of musicians want to keep copyright."
Where did you get this information? No, it's not common sense to think that - in some places in USA it's common sense to pray for getting better.
"There seems to be this idea here that bringing down the music industry and dismantling copyright wont destroy a lot of music industry careers for very ordinary workers on average wages."
But moving jobs to China is destroying noones career?
Sometimes techdirt feels like a normal debate but with a few of Speakers' Corner Crazies mixed in. We all get a voice...
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Well because they are a part of collection agencies which want even MOAR money! "You sang our song in the shower? PAY UP!"
Let me show you a similar question:
"Why is there Flat Earth Society if we all know Earth is not flat?"
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"For me, it's the real issue - Mike pushes for change, but proposes nothing of substance on the other side, points his finger at a few exception cases of artists doing good, and tries to make it sound like it's a whole new industry. But reality says that exceptions don't make the rules."
Wow. I don't think Mike, a blogger is at fault here. So now you don't have a right to criticize without contributing a solution to the problem? kinda like:
Me: "Our public road to Xyz is full of potholes - what do you intend to do about it?"
Public official: "Do you have any feasible solutions?"
Me: "Ehm, no?"
PO: "Then shut up."
"The infrastructure isn't going away, the collection agencies, the publishing companies, and the artist contracts are not going away."
Deconstructing in progress...
1. infrastructure - what infrastructure? Theaters? Please - the only infrastructure EVERYONE uses today is the internet. And Hollywood did not sink dollars in the developement of Internet - USA army and CERN did.
2. collection agencies - yes, they are going away. And good riddance - we have a different name for collection agencies, that protect your stuff for money. They're called mafia.
3. publishing companies - are made redundant in the age of internet. Artist is his own publisher.
4. artist contracts - yes, these contracts are gone, unless you're willing to sign one with yourself
"The music and movie industries both have not only extensive creation side businesses, but also have incredible distribution networks, methods, business models, and operating systems in place that work and allow everyone in the process to make some money."
Oh please - without citations/facts (aaaaaargh!) your sentence is just propaganda. You see, this is the problem - "...and allow everyone in the process to make some money." ---> Why would everyone in the process make any money? We don't need all these middlemen - I can (technically):
1. record a whole album at home
2. publish it globally (internet)
3. distribute it for a fraction of classic server bandwidth cost (bittorrent)
There are not just a few exceptions - check out Promo Bay. A lot of people are embracing new ways to sell music merch and that makes YOU the one who's pointing fingers to old business models and screaming "Make it work!!!"
And that just makes you lazy - you are not an artist, you are one of the middlemen.
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You're stepping from dogshit to bullshit and I'm starting to wonder if you ever took a step on the pavement. You probably do know that your anonymous mask in administrators eyes is just semi-anonymous.
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"...because it supports his point of view."
Really? Which point of view is that (there are so many with you ACs...)?
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I'm not shy calling you an asshole. That doesn't mean that you are one, now does it?
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""Education" absolutely works."
Well it works in Europe. Kind of... ;)
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Marcus masturbation...Marcusbation.
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"If one of my children had this issue, $7000 would seem a small price to pay to achieve the end result"
Wow, playing *THAT* card, are we? Have you read the article? Technology for 7000$+ sux. It doesn't do what this ipad app does.
Listen to this, when you read it: "Dynamic keyboard and method for dynamically redefining keys on a keyboard"
It's like trying to patent "Dynamic text layout and method for dynamically reshape text data around image instances."
I'd call this a e-reader.
and check this out:
Optimus
If you wanted, you can put all those little pictures on these (expensive!!) keyboards. All this "providing access to higher level keyboard"? It's called a link. And data behind it? A database. And connections between pictures and higher level keyboards? I can do that better with algorithms that expand your most used paths and suggest similar ones.
Stupid software patent system - it never should have existed.
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Ask Winklevoss twins about stealing ideas and how it panned out for them.
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I could do with a Troll button. So when it's pressed enough times, resolved IP would be shown under the AC name. Something like "Bla bla law firm"...
Re: Canadian doors...
ok, it's a bad analogy. Better if I'd written 'curtains and police able to see into your living room.'. If you have your bank PIN number or safe combination in plain sight that's your problem.