That makes perfect sense. It wouldn't be your employer deciding to pass on higher rates to their employees during a crappy labor market.
By the way, if your health plan didn't spend a sufficient amount of their premiums on care, they are forced to send rebates. Now, since yours is technically provided by your employer, the rebates would come to them. I'm sure they'll be willing to share, if you all yell loud enough.
Quit listening to garbage, and get the facts. The only way that anyone is going to pay any 'tax' is if they can afford to purchase coverage and they do not.
If you have employer provided coverage, no change.
If you have Medicare, no change.
It is only those rich free riders who will be subject to a tax. Anyone paying it in the middle class is clearly insane.
My Dad's 71, a skilled mechanical engineer, and computers are something he will never understand.
A democratic society, if we are to have one, requires at least a low bandwidth connection, even at high cost. Since the postal service operates at a profit, less these ridiculous pension funding schemes, this assault on the postal service is nothing less than an attack on democracy itself.
I recall the stupidity of it when I bought the game Civilization 4. Played it a few times, then suddenly, it didn't work.
Called tech support. They asked if I had put it in a disc burner, which of course I had. I had one optical drive on that machine, that read and wrote. They put DRM on there that would toast the disk if you tried to copy it, which didn't actually work correctly. They had a lot of paying customers who had $50 coasters.
They graciously offered to send me new media if I sent them, at my expense, the bad disk.
Screw that. I torrented that bad boy.
If that makes me a pirate, then that makes them fraud artists.
After the debacles we've seen in wiping out regulation in the financial markets, for the life of me, I cannot understand why people still believe that shit.
Libertarianism is a utopian fantasy. In reality, those seem to always turn wrong, but there's always someone out there saying "Yeah, but we just didn't do it ENOUGH".
They are sounding more and more like the dead-ender Communists than anyone else these days.
There's no reason that we shouldn't have a popular vote for president. It is ridiculous that my vote cast in CA doesn't mean the same thing as someone's vote does in a "swing state" where they go from one side to the other.
"The think one of the things people miss about the libertarian philosophy is how spectacularly motivating it is to be without so many safety nets."
Wow, wonderful.
No one is more motivated than a starving 3 year old to find food. If only we'd remove those safety nets, he could go get it without all that damn government interference.
Libertarianism, like all other utopian schemes, is a road to dystopia.
I've studied economics. Everyone always makes perfectly rational decisions.
No one ever did something they regretted due to a simple mistake. Especially when young and in perhaps some cases suffering from mental health issues. The very definition of irrationality.
I get what you're saying. These people are just looking for a signal, and the pricing of not quite enough money to get enough to eat is just what they are attuned to. Especially with a crying baby. That's what every depressed 19 year old needs.
If the evaluation of incentives is even one tick of rational, then we're needlessly condemning those children to poverty and perhaps starvation. When we have plenty of food.
Wait, I care about it. And I want people to care about it.
But there needs to be a sense of reality. We can't go freaking out about anecdotal claims of fraud which in total actually result in losses that could also be found in rounding errors.
That's throwing out the good for the impossible perfect.
And while we're at it, as I'm sure you are making some assumption about my politics to the negative, let me say that I'm against the fact that even one quarter of a cent of my earnings went to pay for this:
Yeah, the "Well, we can always fight it out" ignores the real revolutionaries like oh, Gandhi or that Jesus fella we hear so much about.
I'll submit that there might be a time to fight, but holy crap, do we have to just stand there waiting for that time and not ever take a stand before it comes to that?
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LOL...yeah, cause Andrew Breitbart's death was so shocking.
Overweight cocaine abusers never have heart attacks! Wake up sheeple!
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Yes, sure.
That makes perfect sense. It wouldn't be your employer deciding to pass on higher rates to their employees during a crappy labor market.
By the way, if your health plan didn't spend a sufficient amount of their premiums on care, they are forced to send rebates. Now, since yours is technically provided by your employer, the rebates would come to them. I'm sure they'll be willing to share, if you all yell loud enough.
http://www.kff.org/healthreform/8305.cfm
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Yeah, I remember when the Nazis went in and tyrannically gave the poor people health care.
You folks are seriously unhinged.
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What tax increase?
Quit listening to garbage, and get the facts. The only way that anyone is going to pay any 'tax' is if they can afford to purchase coverage and they do not.
If you have employer provided coverage, no change.
If you have Medicare, no change.
It is only those rich free riders who will be subject to a tax. Anyone paying it in the middle class is clearly insane.
But don't let some FUD stop your story.
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I do.
My Dad's 71, a skilled mechanical engineer, and computers are something he will never understand.
A democratic society, if we are to have one, requires at least a low bandwidth connection, even at high cost. Since the postal service operates at a profit, less these ridiculous pension funding schemes, this assault on the postal service is nothing less than an attack on democracy itself.
Re: FUD
I'm glad someone made this point.
This is a chance for the powers that be to raid that sweet, juicy pension.
Disgusting.
Re: Everyone needs to know (2)
Yeah, everyone is so scared of the SEC.
True for you and me, but if the SEC were feared, then we might get some real action on the worst offenders in the mortgage debacle.
AT&T owns a goodly chunk of the the FCC. Wanna bet they have some friends elsewhere too?
So, which libertarians want to tell me that we have nothing to fear from decreasing governmental oversight and regulation?
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DRM is moronic.
I recall the stupidity of it when I bought the game Civilization 4. Played it a few times, then suddenly, it didn't work.
Called tech support. They asked if I had put it in a disc burner, which of course I had. I had one optical drive on that machine, that read and wrote. They put DRM on there that would toast the disk if you tried to copy it, which didn't actually work correctly. They had a lot of paying customers who had $50 coasters.
They graciously offered to send me new media if I sent them, at my expense, the bad disk.
Screw that. I torrented that bad boy.
If that makes me a pirate, then that makes them fraud artists.
This blows me away.
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And it's even worse when the powerful realize that they can make a profit by pushing people towards poverty. Or into foreclosure, or into prison.
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After the debacles we've seen in wiping out regulation in the financial markets, for the life of me, I cannot understand why people still believe that shit.
Libertarianism is a utopian fantasy. In reality, those seem to always turn wrong, but there's always someone out there saying "Yeah, but we just didn't do it ENOUGH".
They are sounding more and more like the dead-ender Communists than anyone else these days.
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Naw, you are misinformed.
There's no reason that we shouldn't have a popular vote for president. It is ridiculous that my vote cast in CA doesn't mean the same thing as someone's vote does in a "swing state" where they go from one side to the other.
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And by pretending either that leveling the playing field doesn't matter or that it is level enough, all it does is entrench those already in power.
Wow, sounds like just what we need.
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"The think one of the things people miss about the libertarian philosophy is how spectacularly motivating it is to be without so many safety nets."
Wow, wonderful.
No one is more motivated than a starving 3 year old to find food. If only we'd remove those safety nets, he could go get it without all that damn government interference.
Libertarianism, like all other utopian schemes, is a road to dystopia.
Just moronic.
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Where were you during AEDPA?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I've already made up my mind
Yes, yes.
I've studied economics. Everyone always makes perfectly rational decisions.
No one ever did something they regretted due to a simple mistake. Especially when young and in perhaps some cases suffering from mental health issues. The very definition of irrationality.
I get what you're saying. These people are just looking for a signal, and the pricing of not quite enough money to get enough to eat is just what they are attuned to. Especially with a crying baby. That's what every depressed 19 year old needs.
If the evaluation of incentives is even one tick of rational, then we're needlessly condemning those children to poverty and perhaps starvation. When we have plenty of food.
Tell me where the incentives are so wrong again?
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well that's clear...
I'm upset that my tax dollars went to causing the burns. I am glad that we are at least in some way trying to make up for causing it.
It's not the same proportion of course
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Wait, I care about it. And I want people to care about it.
But there needs to be a sense of reality. We can't go freaking out about anecdotal claims of fraud which in total actually result in losses that could also be found in rounding errors.
That's throwing out the good for the impossible perfect.
And while we're at it, as I'm sure you are making some assumption about my politics to the negative, let me say that I'm against the fact that even one quarter of a cent of my earnings went to pay for this:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/21/us/texas-drone-strike-victim/index.html
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Yeah, the "Well, we can always fight it out" ignores the real revolutionaries like oh, Gandhi or that Jesus fella we hear so much about.
I'll submit that there might be a time to fight, but holy crap, do we have to just stand there waiting for that time and not ever take a stand before it comes to that?
It's demented. And passively doomed to failure.