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  • Mar 9th, 2010 @ 11:00am

    Re: Re: Re: neutral

    (before commenting, on the rest of your post, to make something bold, read here for a couple simple HTML tags

    Ah, you just put HTML tags in, never thought of that.

    Next, unless there is a completely separate issue that I am unaware of, the specifics of the recall were these

    There was an earlier recall that affected the Prius, but I think you're right that the brake recall doesn't affect the hybrids. It was something to do with the accelerator.

    as you can read, no mention is made of any prius, and hybrids are specifically excluded from said recall. So i am not sure that any of your points are valid.

    What I said is true for hybrids, but not for the cars you list (as far as I know) that all have conventional brakes. I don't know where I got the idea that the recall that was being discussed affected the Prius.

    Second --whether or not your points are valid-- I seriously question those who did not at least think of trying to shift to neutral or turning off the ignition (which I point out in what the official advise was to do)

    True, if you've got long enough to ring someone before crashing you could at least try it. What I was trying to say was that in a hybrid it might not work because the computer second-guessed you, but as you say that's irrelevant as it wasn't a hybrid.

    Alan.

  • Mar 9th, 2010 @ 1:07am

    Re: neutral

    >>and that the brake pedal is not physically, or >>hydraulicly, linked to the brakes, >Wait, where are you getting that? (How do you get the comments system to italicise quotes?) They're talking about the Toyota Prius, which only uses the friction brakes as a last resort. If it can it uses the electric motors for regenerative braking, and there's a computer between the brake pedal and the brakes that decides which to use. Same with the transmission - all you're doing is telling the computer you want to go forwards, backwards or nowhere, there's no physical link. A computer decides whether it's going to use electrical or mechanical power to do what you want. I've not driven a Prius so I don't know what it's reaction to dropping the selector into Neutral whilst it's moving would be. I do know in Renaults that have key cards and starter buttons you can't just press the button to stop the engine if you're moving, so it might just assume you've made a mistake and ignore you. Alan.