"I think YouTube is hoping ultimately to replace cable"
That's a very dangerous game and one that they might win short term but will lose quickly. If lets say CBS decides to put up a YouTube channel(s) and charge X amount per month for it how long before they start demanding more money or just say F.U. and start their own system run which they have full control of?
"One thing YouTube has to do is to prove to "content creators" that it can compensate them better than other options."
This whole content creator thing strikes a raw never in me. You mean content "distributors", "licencí", "litigator's" "conglomerates"
Many real content creators are making money on YouTube already or just using YouTube as a jumping point to many other things.
Then you would be one of the few out of many that watch that channel that would pay for it. I wouldn't if they wanted or needed to make some cash for whatever they needed then just sell scarcity. (Hope i got the spelling right)
Mike you deserve a medal for that performance, if that was me i would three stooges slap that whole group. I was shocked by the answers that were given and left me with the impression that they were clueless or just paid shills. The ideal that we need to be trained to pay for content is offensive. We already pay for content two to three times over.
Well that's weird was listening to his album on the way home. Heard one song on a commercial and then saw him on SNL. Decide to buy his album, happy to hear that all is working out well for him
Here are some lyrics from his song title jimmy iovine
"I made past security, the secretary, the cubicles
But it’s weird, it’s like this room I’ve walked into is unusual
Thought it would be shiny and beautiful
Thought it would be alive and like musical
But it feels like someone died, it’s got the vibe of a funeral
There’s numbers on a chalkboard
CDs boxed in cardboard
Artists that flopped, that got dropped and never got to be sophomores
Graphic designers are sitting around
Waiting for albums that never come out
Complainin’ that they have nobody in house
Wonderin’ what they make art for
I start thinking, am I in the right place?
Just walk forward, see plaques on the wall
Oh yea, in a second those will be all yours
Finally see an office with a mounted sign, heaven sent
Big block silver letters, read it out loud: President (nice!)
This was my chance to grab that contract and turn and jet
Right then felt a cold hand grab on the back of my neck
He said: we’ve been watching you, so glad you could make it
Your music, it’s so impressive in this whole brand you created
You're one hell of a band, we here think you’re destined for greatness
And with that right song we all know that you’re next to be famous
Now I’m sorry. I’ve had a long day remind me now what your name is?
That’s right, Macklemore, of course, today has been crazy
Anyway, you ready? We’ll give you a hundred thousand dollars.
After your album comes out we’ll need back that money that you borrowed (mm-hm)
– So it’s really like a loan.
– A loan? Come on, no!
We're a team, 360 degrees, we will reach your goals!
You’ll get a third of the merch that you sell out on the road
Along with a third of the money you make when you’re out doing your shows
Manager gets 20, booking agent gets 10
So shit, after taxes you and Ryan have 7% to split
That’s not bad, I’ve seen a lot worse,
No one will give you a better offer than us (mm-hm)
I replied I appreciate the offer, thought that this is what I wanted
Rather be a starving artist than succeed at getting fucked "
"No, actually, it's nothing like that. At all. Because it didn't take away from his song, which very few people knew about before."
No, actually I knew it was him, he was one the bigger reggaeton artists out there before and after the the genre exploded out to the mainstream well over decade ago.He was suppose to be the Spanish Jay Z before he turned to religion.
"The article is also a little wacky, in that it both highlights Berman's supposed "attention to detail," as well as his apparently frequent failures to know the names of the people he was talking abut. "
Well it's very difficult to track of people names when you are try to keep track of all the dead president names they keep sending you..
"The underlying problem here is that the problem is USELESS unless you can phone home to the Logitech mother ship. Unlike a normal remote, you can't just configure it yourself.
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The whole discussion over the Logitech Harmony is red herring within red herring squared. Their solution is not perfect and I don't think they are making it to be one. I'm no expert but i have owned Philips(they also had software for palm) and Marantz learning remotes close to a decade ago and harmony's solution to the issues that plagued those system blew them out of the water. The Philips remotes are the most tragic as you could design your own UI for those remotes. Many made some spectacular UI's for those remotes, that you could freely download and many people tried to maintain device databases but it was an extreme cluster f**k.
My last post on this matter, we are both right and wrong on certain things. WaCKO started this by saying that Logitech isn't any better than Razor with it's internet connection for its remotes. It is still comparing apples to oranges, Razor is constantly polling to setup a two way communication process to gather info about your usage(system and internet) and give it to them. You have no real control over this and this process interferes with your everyday usage of their products with or without Internet access. What makes it even worse that they want to sell that info, and there's nothing stating it or the constant need to connect to the net on the packaging.
You do need an internet connection to setup on configure the Harmony.I have owned the Harmony One since September of 09, since my initial setup and configuration I have only needed to connect my remote to the net six times till now. Those times i have connected have been to add new devices, change channel info(channel numbers & Icons). I'm not a big macro guy and my setup is pretty simple. It sucks that when you tried to connect you had issues, stuff happens but once your setup your basically done, and not required to keep connecting to the Internet like Razor products. I agree there needs to some sort of backup/cache option I just don't see it as critical as others might.
"Are you sure? Since you're connected to their central server when using the software I'd be very suprised if they couldn't at the very least tell what devices you have configured. Perhaps they don't keep it, but they can damn-sure get it on connection if they choose."
Don't really care if they know what type of devices or who the manufactures are, just don't want them tracking what I'm using it for or how many times i use said devices. Since its been very long stretch in between connections I highly don't there tracking anything. If they had me connecting every couple weeks for no reason then you might have a point. I agree that they need a backup and cache type of option but it hasn't been a back breaker for me. If another company designed a remote with the same type of style, options and added the backup / cache I would consider purchasing that product at appropriate time.
The harmony remotes are still a learning remote, i don't need the internet to make changes. You still have the problem like any device that manufacture's make. They might go under or make changes that render your product useless. This is not an exclusive problem to things that might need an internet connection. The reasons why the Harmony line need an internet connection are valid and save you a lot time in configuring your device to work and they are up front of the requirements needed. It has been months since I needed to connect the remote to the net, and i don't have to worry about them collecting what my usage habits unlike Razor and their software.
"But why should the device itself have to connect to the internet for this? What about allowing the option, but also allowing you to download the most recent database onto a computer or flash drive and use it from there?"
1. Once you have setup your remote there's no need to connect again unless your going to be adding a new device or deleting one. The last time i need to connect my remote to the internet was five months ago when i added my WDTV Live.
2. There's probably ten's of thousand devices on that database and it's easier for them to add,and change entries then create a never ending files for download. One device i bought over two years ago had the wrong info for the control over the device, one phone to the customer support and they made the change to support it and now anyone the got the same device would be getting the new control info.
My harmony one controls my ac, clock radio, av receiver, tv, cable box, wdtv live, and xbox 360
You also forget the fact that a lot of people never change the default user name password of their router. Easy enough to make changes to allow guest access to the router and well as other things.
"Lawler insists the math doesn't add up because without that marketing push, the number of subscribers would be much lower. HBO claimed that Lawler's math was right."
1. So every add I see for Game of Thrones or other HBO shows is paid for by the cable co.'s?
2. At this point who hasn't heard of HBO?
3. Cable Companies continue raising rates and charging for a everything little thing(like 2.50 per month per remote)and when difficult decision need to be made to save and few bucks HBO and other pay services go bye bye including Cable itself! So they might be helping in one end but totally screwing it up on the other!
4. I might be willing to sign up for HBO GO standalone but somewhere between 5.00 to 9.00 per month tops. I see no real value of paying more when Amazon, Netflix provide more for less.
Star ts around 7mins in, they all should feel ashamed of themselves. Its amazing that he can get on stage and talk about apps that have helped people with physical and learning disadvantages and yet that they pulled this crap with this app developer.
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"I think YouTube is hoping ultimately to replace cable"
That's a very dangerous game and one that they might win short term but will lose quickly. If lets say CBS decides to put up a YouTube channel(s) and charge X amount per month for it how long before they start demanding more money or just say F.U. and start their own system run which they have full control of?
"One thing YouTube has to do is to prove to "content creators" that it can compensate them better than other options."
This whole content creator thing strikes a raw never in me. You mean content "distributors", "licencí", "litigator's" "conglomerates"
Many real content creators are making money on YouTube already or just using YouTube as a jumping point to many other things.
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"It's better in every way."
In your demented mind maybe but in the real world things are not so cut and dry.
Re: I still say it could work
Then you would be one of the few out of many that watch that channel that would pay for it. I wouldn't if they wanted or needed to make some cash for whatever they needed then just sell scarcity. (Hope i got the spelling right)
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Mike you deserve a medal for that performance, if that was me i would three stooges slap that whole group. I was shocked by the answers that were given and left me with the impression that they were clueless or just paid shills. The ideal that we need to be trained to pay for content is offensive. We already pay for content two to three times over.
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Does it count against one of my six strikes!
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Well that's weird was listening to his album on the way home. Heard one song on a commercial and then saw him on SNL. Decide to buy his album, happy to hear that all is working out well for him
Here are some lyrics from his song title jimmy iovine
"I made past security, the secretary, the cubicles
But it’s weird, it’s like this room I’ve walked into is unusual
Thought it would be shiny and beautiful
Thought it would be alive and like musical
But it feels like someone died, it’s got the vibe of a funeral
There’s numbers on a chalkboard
CDs boxed in cardboard
Artists that flopped, that got dropped and never got to be sophomores
Graphic designers are sitting around
Waiting for albums that never come out
Complainin’ that they have nobody in house
Wonderin’ what they make art for
I start thinking, am I in the right place?
Just walk forward, see plaques on the wall
Oh yea, in a second those will be all yours
Finally see an office with a mounted sign, heaven sent
Big block silver letters, read it out loud: President (nice!)
This was my chance to grab that contract and turn and jet
Right then felt a cold hand grab on the back of my neck
He said: we’ve been watching you, so glad you could make it
Your music, it’s so impressive in this whole brand you created
You're one hell of a band, we here think you’re destined for greatness
And with that right song we all know that you’re next to be famous
Now I’m sorry. I’ve had a long day remind me now what your name is?
That’s right, Macklemore, of course, today has been crazy
Anyway, you ready? We’ll give you a hundred thousand dollars.
After your album comes out we’ll need back that money that you borrowed (mm-hm)
– So it’s really like a loan.
– A loan? Come on, no!
We're a team, 360 degrees, we will reach your goals!
You’ll get a third of the merch that you sell out on the road
Along with a third of the money you make when you’re out doing your shows
Manager gets 20, booking agent gets 10
So shit, after taxes you and Ryan have 7% to split
That’s not bad, I’ve seen a lot worse,
No one will give you a better offer than us (mm-hm)
I replied I appreciate the offer, thought that this is what I wanted
Rather be a starving artist than succeed at getting fucked "
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"No, actually, it's nothing like that. At all. Because it didn't take away from his song, which very few people knew about before."
No, actually I knew it was him, he was one the bigger reggaeton artists out there before and after the the genre exploded out to the mainstream well over decade ago.He was suppose to be the Spanish Jay Z before he turned to religion.
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"The article is also a little wacky, in that it both highlights Berman's supposed "attention to detail," as well as his apparently frequent failures to know the names of the people he was talking abut. "
Well it's very difficult to track of people names when you are try to keep track of all the dead president names they keep sending you..
Re: Mindless misdirection
"The underlying problem here is that the problem is USELESS unless you can phone home to the Logitech mother ship. Unlike a normal remote, you can't just configure it yourself.
"
The whole discussion over the Logitech Harmony is red herring within red herring squared. Their solution is not perfect and I don't think they are making it to be one. I'm no expert but i have owned Philips(they also had software for palm) and Marantz learning remotes close to a decade ago and harmony's solution to the issues that plagued those system blew them out of the water. The Philips remotes are the most tragic as you could design your own UI for those remotes. Many made some spectacular UI's for those remotes, that you could freely download and many people tried to maintain device databases but it was an extreme cluster f**k.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
My last post on this matter, we are both right and wrong on certain things. WaCKO started this by saying that Logitech isn't any better than Razor with it's internet connection for its remotes. It is still comparing apples to oranges, Razor is constantly polling to setup a two way communication process to gather info about your usage(system and internet) and give it to them. You have no real control over this and this process interferes with your everyday usage of their products with or without Internet access. What makes it even worse that they want to sell that info, and there's nothing stating it or the constant need to connect to the net on the packaging.
You do need an internet connection to setup on configure the Harmony.I have owned the Harmony One since September of 09, since my initial setup and configuration I have only needed to connect my remote to the net six times till now. Those times i have connected have been to add new devices, change channel info(channel numbers & Icons). I'm not a big macro guy and my setup is pretty simple. It sucks that when you tried to connect you had issues, stuff happens but once your setup your basically done, and not required to keep connecting to the Internet like Razor products. I agree there needs to some sort of backup/cache option I just don't see it as critical as others might.
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"Are you sure? Since you're connected to their central server when using the software I'd be very suprised if they couldn't at the very least tell what devices you have configured. Perhaps they don't keep it, but they can damn-sure get it on connection if they choose."
Don't really care if they know what type of devices or who the manufactures are, just don't want them tracking what I'm using it for or how many times i use said devices. Since its been very long stretch in between connections I highly don't there tracking anything. If they had me connecting every couple weeks for no reason then you might have a point. I agree that they need a backup and cache type of option but it hasn't been a back breaker for me. If another company designed a remote with the same type of style, options and added the backup / cache I would consider purchasing that product at appropriate time.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
The harmony remotes are still a learning remote, i don't need the internet to make changes. You still have the problem like any device that manufacture's make. They might go under or make changes that render your product useless. This is not an exclusive problem to things that might need an internet connection. The reasons why the Harmony line need an internet connection are valid and save you a lot time in configuring your device to work and they are up front of the requirements needed. It has been months since I needed to connect the remote to the net, and i don't have to worry about them collecting what my usage habits unlike Razor and their software.
Re: Re: Re: Re:
"But why should the device itself have to connect to the internet for this? What about allowing the option, but also allowing you to download the most recent database onto a computer or flash drive and use it from there?"
1. Once you have setup your remote there's no need to connect again unless your going to be adding a new device or deleting one. The last time i need to connect my remote to the internet was five months ago when i added my WDTV Live.
2. There's probably ten's of thousand devices on that database and it's easier for them to add,and change entries then create a never ending files for download. One device i bought over two years ago had the wrong info for the control over the device, one phone to the customer support and they made the change to support it and now anyone the got the same device would be getting the new control info.
My harmony one controls my ac, clock radio, av receiver, tv, cable box, wdtv live, and xbox 360
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"Logitech is not any better, Ever try a Harmony Remote, "
Have you?, way to compare apples to oranges. The Harmony remote doesn't phone home or collect usage information to send back to Logitech.
" but any change to the remote, needs to be connected to the internet."
Wrong, you any change you make to a device you own(ie. replacing a TV,DVD, etc.)
Re: Re: Good bye WI FI hotspots
You also forget the fact that a lot of people never change the default user name password of their router. Easy enough to make changes to allow guest access to the router and well as other things.
Re: Bah. Innovation as defined around here is pretty meh
" I pay big bucks to HBO for "Game of Thrones" because I know that all of those innovative sets and things require cash."
Yup the great wall of the North they built must have cost billions to build! Maybe even more considering global warming and stuff!
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"Lawler insists the math doesn't add up because without that marketing push, the number of subscribers would be much lower. HBO claimed that Lawler's math was right."
1. So every add I see for Game of Thrones or other HBO shows is paid for by the cable co.'s?
2. At this point who hasn't heard of HBO?
3. Cable Companies continue raising rates and charging for a everything little thing(like 2.50 per month per remote)and when difficult decision need to be made to save and few bucks HBO and other pay services go bye bye including Cable itself! So they might be helping in one end but totally screwing it up on the other!
4. I might be willing to sign up for HBO GO standalone but somewhere between 5.00 to 9.00 per month tops. I see no real value of paying more when Amazon, Netflix provide more for less.
Wow
That's one complicated web they have weaved. Spiderman would be proud.
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"So far, it's basically the US against everyone else -- and the US only has one vote."
Oh, great with the USA's track record around the world this should be a slam dunk for the UN!
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Someone should make everyone at Apple see Tim Cooks keynote from WWDC
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/126pihbedvcoihbefvbhjkbvsefbg/event/index.html
Star ts around 7mins in, they all should feel ashamed of themselves. Its amazing that he can get on stage and talk about apps that have helped people with physical and learning disadvantages and yet that they pulled this crap with this app developer.