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<pubDate>Tue, 5 Mar 2013 15:07:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Despite Threat Of $50,000 Fine, Montreal Designer Plans To Release More 'Real World' Counter-Strike Maps</title>
<dc:creator>Tim Cushing</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>
Recently, we covered the story of a Canadian Counter-strike enthusiast who created a map based on a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130219/17273422032/make-counterstrike-map-montreal-metro-station-get-threatened-with-50000-fine.shtml" target="_blank">Montreal metro station</a>. It was greeted with a thorough lack of enthusiasm by Montreal's transport authority (STM), which claimed the map might "create panic among the city's public transport users," before deciding to head off the whole situation using good, old-fashioned, pre-murder-simulator copyright. Diego Liatis, the creator of the map, was threatened with a $50,000 fine by STM, which has done little to deter his efforts.
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<a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/montreal-designer-remains-defiant-plans-to-release-new-counter-strike-map/" target="_blank">Ars Technica has a followup story, detailing Liatis' refusal to back down</a>.
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<i>Diego Liatis, a Montreal gamer and entrepreneur, told Ars that he still plans on releasing a Counter-Strike: Global Offensive map of Berri-UQAM, the city&rsquo;s most well-known metro station. He's moving forward&mdash;the map is due sometime in March 2013&mdash;even if it means a drawn-out lawsuit brought by the local transit authority.</i>
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<i>&ldquo;If you ask me to change the name of the station&mdash;forget about it,&rdquo; Diego Liatis told Ars, starting the sentence in French and switching to English for emphasis. &ldquo;I understand [copyright law]. But there are limits, such as the name of the station.&rdquo;</i></blockquote>
Liatis still believes he has the right to reproduce a real world location and is currently in negotiations (a polite word meaning "lawyers conversing") with the STM to determine what can be left in and what needs to be removed to satisfy the transport authority.
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<i>Liatis said he planned on meeting in person with STM representatives later this week. While he is willing to alter the STM logo and a well-known piece of art that hangs above a track, he&rsquo;s not willing to compromise on the name of the station or its layout.</i>
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<i>&ldquo;Either [the STM] opposes me and we&rsquo;ll meet in court,&rdquo; Liatis added. &ldquo;Or [the agency] will be OK with it.&rdquo;</i>
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<i>The February 11 cease-and-desist letter reminds Liatis that the STM &ldquo;had warned you that it did not authorize you to use its image nor reproduction of the station in question for this project,&rdquo; adding that use of its name, acronyms, graphic symbols, and seal are &ldquo;prohibited by law unless permission is granted by the STM.&rdquo;</i></blockquote>
Liatis may be logically "correct" but there's not much logic contained in IP laws. He may be determined to stick it to l'homme, but even members of the LAN ETS community are backing away from Liatis, most likely in hopes of a continued, lawsuit-free existence.
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<i>Simon Marin, a LAN ETS spokesperson, told Ars in an e-mail that the university, and by extension its LAN party event (LAN ETS), is "disassociating itself" from Liatis and his map. Marin did not provide any further explanation.</i></blockquote>
Despite the legal issues and disconnection from LAN ETS, Liatis plans to release the map in the near future. His pushback against government overreach and copyright-as-deterrent is admirable, but some aspects of this story are beginning to paint him as a possibly unreliable narrator.
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As quoted in our original piece, and repeated in the update from Ars Technica, Liatis again states that the STM's representative had concerns about the map's usefulness to potential terrorists.
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<i>Liatis added that STM's media representative, Am&eacute;lie R&eacute;gis, expressed concern to him that releasing the map would allow it to be used by actual terrorists training for an actual attack. R&eacute;gis also said it would be "insulting" to Montreal's Arab community.</i></blockquote>
The representative from STM, however, claims she never spoke to Liatis.
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<i>UPDATE Tuesday 5:42pm CT: R&eacute;gis finally wrote back to Ars, saying that she had never spoken to Liatis, and was "really surprised to read the opposite." Ars has contacted Liatis again to clarify who exactly he spoke with at the STM.</i></blockquote>
Many governments have operated on faith-based paranoia since the 9/11 attacks, which makes it easy to believe Liatis' account of the events. Whatever concerns the STM might have had about "panics" or "terrorists," it may have kept them to itself. Nearly a week on from this interview,  Ars is still waiting for Liatis to back up this claim. The STM may be using copyright to block a map it feels could potentially have this effect on would-be terrorists and/or the public, but so far, it hasn't officially stated anything to that effect.
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Despite the lack of official statement, it still looks as if the STM simply wants to shut down something that represents its station but adds guns to the mix. Government entities are quick to shy away from anything controversial in the War on Terrorism age, and the STM seems to be no exception. There's a point to Liatis' efforts, but it's likely to be buried under a hefty fine and accompanying lawsuit as he shows no signs of backing down. It's a costly game of chicken and the end result may be nothing more than another footnote in case law reasserting the "right" of public entities to claim copyright protection on publicly accessible areas in order to prevent "misuse" by ordinary citizens.
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 07:26:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Couple Arrested For Dancing On NYC Subway Platform</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Perhaps some day, if I manage to live long enough, somebody somewhere will be able to explain to me why the seemingly benign combination of dancing, cameras, and police tends to result in threats, beatdowns, and arrests. Recall a year ago when I had the privilege to write about protestors getting bodyslammed at the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110602/04271714524/do-little-dance-make-little-loveget-bodyslammed-tonight-jefferson-memorial.shtml">Jefferson Memorial</a> for the horrific crime of silently dancing on the premises? <br /><br />
Well, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=yakkowarner">Yakko Warner</a> writes in with the story of two nefarious characters, code named George Hess and Caroline Stern, who had the gall to dance on a New York City subway platform and <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/waltz_the_charge_officer_8jQ7kbvZwVhaU4PxNi917K#ixzz20DitOgl0">were taken to the ground and arrested for their trouble</a>. As that New York Post piece explains, the couple found themselves near a musician playing on steel drums: <blockquote><p><i>&ldquo;We were doing the Charleston,&rdquo; Stern said. That&rsquo;s when two police officers approached and pulled a &ldquo;Footloose.&rdquo;<br />&ldquo;They said, &lsquo;What are you doing?&rsquo; and we said, &lsquo;We&rsquo;re dancing,&rsquo; &rdquo; she recalled. &ldquo;And they said, &lsquo;You can&rsquo;t do that on the platform.&rsquo; &rdquo; <br /></i>
</p></blockquote><p>And so, as their training manuals surely instructed them to do, the officers demanded to see their IDs. Because they were dancing. Where someone was playing the drums. In the most cosmopolitan and culturally-rich city in America. In any case, when Hess could only produce a credit card (which had his name and photo on it), this happened:
<blockquote><p><i>"The officers ordered the couple to go with them &mdash; even though the credit card had the dentist&rsquo;s picture and signature. When Hess began trying to film the encounter, things got ugly, Stern said.&ldquo;We brought out the camera, and that&rsquo;s when they called backup,&rdquo; she said. &ldquo;That&rsquo;s when eight ninja cops came from out of nowhere.&rdquo;<br /></i>
</p></blockquote></p><p>The ninja cops then alledgedly tackled Hess to the floor, cuffed both of them, and detained the pair for twenty-three hours. The initial charge was apparently impeding the flow of traffic of what is reported to have been three other people on the platform. The police then added other charges, such as resisting arrest. </p><p>All charges were subsequently dropped when the paperwork was finally reviewed by the NYPD's Not Crazy Department. The couple are now suing in Manhattan courts, but maybe it's time a national memo went out to law enforcement agencies reminding them that dancing people with cameras don't necessarily need to be tackled?</p><br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120710/08455719645/couple-arrested-dancing-nyc-subway-platform.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120710/08455719645/couple-arrested-dancing-nyc-subway-platform.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120710/08455719645/couple-arrested-dancing-nyc-subway-platform.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 03:57:36 PST</pubDate>
<title>MBTA Will Work With MIT Students, Rather Than Suing Them, To Improve Security</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ You may recall, back in August, that the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority convinced a judge to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080811/0035111937.shtml">ban</a> the Defcon presentation by three MIT students, showing how weak the security was on the Boston transit system, and how easy it was to get past it.  Of course, in trying to ban the talk, the MBTA only succeeded in getting a <i>lot</i> more attention for its own security vulnerabilities -- and, in the end, the judge <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080819/1712052034.shtml">lifted the gag order</a> anyway, allowing the students to present their research.
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The good news is that the MBTA has now dropped the lawsuit and done what it <i>should have done</i> in the first place: <a href="http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/12/22" target="_new">agreed to work with the students to come up with ways to improve security</a>.  It's good that they eventually came to this conclusion -- though still mind-boggling that they went down the legal route first.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081222/1723353200.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081222/1723353200.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081222/1723353200.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>a-good-move,-a-little-late</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:32:50 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Judge Lets MIT Students Share Their Research On Boston Subway Vulnerabilities</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ While it took about a week and a half, a judge has now <a href="http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2008/08/19" target="_new">lifted the gag order</a> that had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080811/0035111937.shtml">prevented</a> some MIT students from sharing a presentation about vulnerabilities in the Boston subway system.  The judge refused to ban the students from talking about it for a period of five months (which the MBTA insisted it needed to fix the system).  This is definitely a win for free speech, though I'm sure the debate over how and when to disclose security vulnerabilities will continue for a long, long time.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080819/1712052034.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080819/1712052034.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080819/1712052034.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>first-amendment-wins-again</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:37:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Judge Still Keeps MIT Students Gagged Over Subway Hacking Presentation</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ The EFF tried to get the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080811/0035111937.shtml">gag order</a> lifted off the three MIT students who had planned a presentation on how Boston's subway system was vulnerable to some hacks.  However, a judge has <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10017172-83.html?part=rss&#038;subj=news&#038;tag=2547-1_3-0-20" target="_new">left the gag order in place</a>, saying that it will be discussed at a hearing next Tuesday.  He also ordered the students to hand over more information.
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There's been a long debate in the security community about what is proper "disclosure."  There are some who believe that you should wait until a vulnerability is fixed before disclosing it, while others believe that only by disclosing it are people really motivated to fix the vulnerability.  However, most of those debates haven't taken place in court -- so this particular case should be quite interesting for those who are involved in security research, no matter which side of the "disclosure" debate you fall on.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080814/1305201982.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080814/1305201982.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080814/1305201982.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>keep-quiet</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:13:01 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Boston Subway System Stops Defcon Talk; But Paints Security Target On Its Back</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ You would think after years and years of it backfiring every time some scared organization tries to shut down a talk concerning their security vulnerabilities, that  people wouldn't even bother any more.  But never underestimate the short-sightedness of some execs.  The Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority uses a magnetic strip card system to access the subway system in Boston.  That system is not particularly secure, and some enterprising MIT students planned to demonstrate just how weak the security was on the system this weekend at the Defcon conference... <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10012612-83.html" target="_new">until the MBTA convinced a judge to ban the  presentation</a> and demand that all copies of the presentation not be released -- which is problematic since all attendees at the conference already obtained CDs with a copy of the presentation.  Also, somewhat ironically, a copy of the presentation was entered in as evidence in the case, and that copy is now publicly available as part of the court records system.  Oops.
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Of course, even if the court had actually been able to stop the distribution of the presentation, it's silly to think that this would have stopped the dissemination of the methods for hacking the system.  The truth is that the MBTA's system uses woefully weak security, and rather than doing anything to strengthen it, it has to threaten some bright MIT students and get a court order to pretend the such security vulnerabilities don't exist.  And, of course, in doing this, all the MBTA has really done is painted a huge target on its back.  Perhaps it should have just focused on making its system a bit more secure instead.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080811/0035111937.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080811/0035111937.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080811/0035111937.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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