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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:17:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>NRA: Games To Blame For Violence!  Also, Here's A Shooting Game For 4-Year-Olds!</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Attention readers of this article! This is important to realize: I do not hate guns, the NRA, or freedom. While this is not the forum for any of us to discuss our personal philosophy regarding firearms or the 2nd amendment, let's just say my views are nuanced and leave it at that. Again, I do not hate guns. What I do hate, however, is hypocrisy and stupidity, and the NRA has a habit of occasionally engaging in both. I mean, the idea that doctors should by law <i>not</i> be allowed to ask questions about <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110509/03074114209/it-may-soon-be-illegal-doctors-florida-to-ask-about-gun-safety.shtml">gun safety</a> in "well-child" visits is just stubborn silliness. That kind of paranoia should be reserved for the lunatic fringe, not the most powerful firearms lobbying group in the country. Likewise, the insane idea that the 2nd amendment should be protected by <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121221/10123121471/nra-to-protect-2nd-amendment-we-must-trample-1st-4th-amendments.shtml">treading upon</a> the 1st and 4th amendments isn't just hypocritical, it's <i>multiplicatively </i>hypocritical.
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But if you thought that kind of PR mistake was the zenith for the NRA with regards to their anti-video game stance, prepare yourselves for liftoff, because the NRA has released <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/online/all-i-want-for-christmas-is-the-national-rifle-associations-video-games-like-nra-varmint-hunter/">several shooting games</a>, the latest of which is <a href="http://www.geekosystem.com/nra-shooting-range-game/">targeted at elementary-aged school children</a>.
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<i>There have been a lot of people blaming violent video games for gun violence in America, especially in the wake of the tragic Newtown, Connecticut shootings. Chief among them, of course, was the National Rifle Association. In his comments after the shootings, NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre blamed several video games that featured guns, like Bulletstorm and Splatterhouse, but left off titles like NRA: Varmint Hunter and NRA: Gun Club. He also failed to mention the new NRA branded iOS game which must have been in development at the time, NRA: Practice Range. The new game is recommended for ages four and up, probably because they don't want kids younger than four to see how much fun super-cool guns can be.</i>
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Now, in the interest of being fair here, there's an obvious difference in content between games like Bulletstorm and Practice Range or Varmint Hunter. The NRA isn't putting out games in which human being are shot. But that's a rather weak distinction to draw when you've spoken out so radioactively against violence in gaming. The simple glorification of guns for 4 years olds is probably not the best move PR-wise in the current atmosphere, but even having an NRA sponsored game for shooting animals raises questions. The line on shooting living things is crossed and it would be quite easy to point to harming animals as a<a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry"> predictive sign of criminality, violence and sociopathy</a>. Why is the NRA providing a gaming avenue for such behavior while decrying other/more violent games for providing a gaming avenue for that same behavior?
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It should be pointed out that, true to their words, the NRA is littering these games with gun safety tips, but from the standpoint of public relations that doesn't really soften how dumb a move this is. To be clear, I don't think the stupidity is in releasing these games. I'm fine with them. The problem is when you seek to deflect criticism for gun violence by pointing to games, all while you're also releasing shooting games, you lose a great deal of credibility. But when you put forth a game that gives you "one minute to fire off as many rounds as possible" and aims it, by their own words, at children as young as four years old, you just look like jackasses.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130116/08485121701/nra-games-to-blame-violence-also-heres-shooting-game-4-year-olds.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130116/08485121701/nra-games-to-blame-violence-also-heres-shooting-game-4-year-olds.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130116/08485121701/nra-games-to-blame-violence-also-heres-shooting-game-4-year-olds.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 12:53:21 PST</pubDate>
<title>Pundits And Politicans Very Quick To Blame Video Game &amp; Movie Violence For Newtown</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ The tragedy last week in Connecticut is still horrifying to think about on many different levels -- but the constant search for blame, and using it to support pet political ideas is troubling.  This isn't to say that we don't necessarily need to have a "conversation" on various hot potato political issues, but basing it around an event like this isn't likely to be a productive and informed conversation, but one driven purely by emotions.  I understand the desire, and the idea that making use of such a tragedy to create political will to do something, is all too tempting.  But I fear what happens when we legislate around emotions, rather than reality.  And, no I'm not even going to touch the question of gun control or mental health treatment.  Both obviously evoke strong opinions from people on all sides of the issue (and, contrary to popular opinion, there are more than two sides to those issues).  Instead, let's talk about the rush to blame video games and TV shows, as seems to happen <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120723/05472819794/press-speculates-batman-shooter-must-have-played-video-games-theyre-right-he-loved-guitar-hero.shtml">every single time</a> there's a mass shooting -- and almost always done with no evidence.
<br /><br />
We already talked about people rushing to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121215/13210521396/inevitable-post-tragedy-witch-hunt-mass-effect-facebook-page-attacked-because-link-to-misidentified-shooting-suspect.shtml">blame a video game</a>, after the incorrectly named "original" suspect in the shootings had, possibly, at some point "liked" the game on Facebook.  But, of course, now the politicians are stepping in, and retiring Senator Joe Lieberman is using the tragedy to push forth one of his pet ideas that he's brought up in the past: <a href="http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2012/12/16/democrats-call-for-ban-on-assault-weapons-want-commission-to-examine-gun-laws-mental-health/" target="_blank">violent video games and TV must have something to do with it</a>.  He's trying to set up a commission to "scrutinize" "the role that violent video games and movies might play in shootings" among other things (yes, including gun control and mental health care).
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Lieberman, not surprisingly, was not the only one.  A <a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/in-grief-media-figures-on-the-left-and-the-right-flail-impotently-at-video-games/" target="_blank">large group of politicians and pundits </a> immediately jumped to the conclusion that video games and movies must have something to do with all of this:
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<p>A disturbing number of public figures have lashed out at video games since the atrocity committed at Sandy Hook Elementary on Friday. A bipartisan group of legislators embraced this scapegoating on the Sunday news programs; from Democrats like Sen. <strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/c-t-sen-lieberman-video-games-movies-cause-vulnerable-young-men-to-be-more-violent/" target="_blank">Joe Lieberman</a></strong> and Gov. <strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/colorado-gov-to-cnn-video-games-may-be-the-reason-assault-weapons-are-used-in-mass-shootings/" target="_blank">John Hickenlooper</a></strong> to Rep. <strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-congressman-government-responsibility-is-to-deal-with-the-realism-in-games-and-movies/" target="_blank">Jason Chaffetz</a> </strong> and former Pennsylvania Gov. <strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/tv/david-brooks-shuts-down-former-gop-governor-after-he-blames-video-games-for-ct-massacre/" target="_blank">Tom Ridge</a></strong>. </p>
<p>They were joined by members of the media &#8211; sadly, too many to count. </p>
<p>On MSNBC on Monday, <strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/power-grid/person/?q=Chris+Jansing">Chris Jansing</a></strong> asked her guests what connection<strong> Adam Lanza</strong>&#8217;s interest in video games had to his murderous shooting spree. She quoted senior White House advisor <strong>David Axelrod</strong> who tweeted &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t we also quit marketing murder as a game?&#8221; Liberal contributor Goldie Taylor revealed that she refused to let her child play games until he was 14-years-old. </p>
<p>[....] </p><p>On <em>Fox & Friends</em> on Monday, legal analyst <strong><a href="http://www.mediaite.com/power-grid/person/?q=Peter+Johnson">Peter Johnson Jr.</a></strong> delivered an offensively sermonizing renunciation of entertainment producers and videogame makers who are &#8220;clinging to guns economically.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;They are glamorizing guns in this country. They are the scourge in terms of these guns,&#8221; Johnson Jr. said of game and filmmakers</p>
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Of course, time and time again when these shootings happen, the reports later show... that video games and movies played little to no role.  Yes, sometimes the killers played these games, but it's difficult to find teenagers these days who <i>have not</i> played a violent video game or watched a violent movie.  It's like saying that we should explore "the role that breakfast plays" in such shootings.  How many of the killers ate breakfast that day?  In fact, studies seem to suggest that, if anything, violent movies may actually <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061030/152445.shtml">decrease</a> incidents of violence.
<br /><br />
Bizarrely, the person with the most thoughtful explanation on some of this might be movie critic Roger Ebert, in <a href="http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20031107/reviews/311070301/1023" target="_blank">a review of Gus Van Sant's movie <i>Elephant</i></a> from nearly a decade ago.  That movie portrayed a similar school shooting, and did so by making it clear that sometimes <i>there are no answers</i> and there is no "other thing" to blame.  Sometimes (perhaps many times) these things don't make sense, no matter how many times we want them to make sense.  But Ebert also points to another factor that rarely gets discussed:
<blockquote><i>
Let me tell you a story. The day after Columbine, I was interviewed for the Tom Brokaw news program. The reporter had been assigned a theory and was seeking sound bites to support it. "Wouldn't you say," she asked, "that killings like this are influenced by violent movies?" No, I said, I wouldn't say that. "But what about 'Basketball Diaries'?" she asked. "Doesn't that have a scene of a boy walking into a school with a machine gun?" The obscure 1995 Leonardo Di Caprio movie did indeed have a brief fantasy scene of that nature, I said, but the movie failed at the box office (it grossed only $2.5 million), and it's unlikely the Columbine killers saw it.
<br /><br />
The reporter looked disappointed, so I offered her my theory. "Events like this," I said, "if they are influenced by anything, are <b>influenced by news programs like your own. When an unbalanced kid walks into a school and starts shooting, it becomes a major media event. Cable news drops ordinary programming and goes around the clock with it. The story is assigned a logo and a theme song</b>; these two kids were packaged as the Trench Coat Mafia. The message is clear to other disturbed kids around the country: <b>If I shoot up my school, I can be famous</b>. The TV will talk about nothing else but me. Experts will try to figure out what I was thinking. The kids and teachers at school will see they shouldn't have messed with me. I'll go out in a blaze of glory."
<br /><br />
<b>In short, I said, events like Columbine are influenced far less by violent movies than by CNN, the NBC Nightly News and all the other news media, who glorify the killers in the guise of "explaining" them</b>. I commended the policy at the Sun-Times, where our editor said the paper would no longer feature school killings on Page 1. The reporter thanked me and turned off the camera. Of course the interview was never used. They found plenty of talking heads to condemn violent movies, and everybody was happy.
</i></blockquote>
Meanwhile, Danah Boyd has a related, but somewhat different perspective on the whole thing, noting how the media frenzy around these events also tends to <a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2012/12/16/dear-media-back-the-f-off-newtown.html" target="_blank">mess with everyone else</a> who are trying to cope with the situation, and makes sure their lives can never go back to any semblance of normalcy.  She talks about running into some kids who had gone to Columbine high school, a few months after those attacks:
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What I heard was heartbreaking. They had dropped out of school because the insanity from the press proved to be too much to deal with. They talked about not being able to answer the phone &#8211; which would ring all day and night &#8211; because the press always wanted to talk. They talked about being hounded by press wherever they went. All they wanted was to be let alone. So they dropped out of school which they said was fine because it was so close to the end of the year and everything was chaos and no one noticed. 
</i></blockquote>
As she notes, it's not the press's fault either.  They're also giving the public what they want -- and, she agrees, that some of these topics are important and should be discussed.  But the focus on the people in Newtown isn't helping.
<blockquote><i>
But please, please, please&#8230; can we leave the poor people of Newtown alone? Can we not shove microphones into the faces of distraught children? Can we stop hovering like buzzards waiting for the fresh meat of gossipy details? Can we let the parents of the deceased choose when and where they want to engage with the public to tell their story? Can we let the community have some dignity in their grief rather than turning them and their lives into a spectacle of mourning?
<br /><br />
Yes, the media are the ones engaging in these practices. But the reason that they&#8217;re doing so is because we &#8211; the public &#8211; are gawking at the public displays of pain. Our collective fascination with tragedy means that we encourage media practices that rub salt into people&#8217;s wounds, all for the most salacious story. And worse, our social media practices mean that the media creators are tracking the kinds of stories that are forwarded. And my hunch is that people are forwarding precisely those salacious stories, even if to critique the practices (such as the interviews of children). 
</i></blockquote>
What happened last week was senseless and tragic and painful to think about in all sorts of ways.  And, yes, there are reasons to hope that such an event might lead to ideas that would prevent such things in the future, but the way we go about things on such discussions doesn't provide much hope that we're going to do anything valuable or thoughtful in response. Instead, it becomes a rush to do something purely out of an emotional response, and it's unclear how that helps.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121217/07455721403/pundits-politicans-very-quick-to-blame-video-game-movie-violence-newtown.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121217/07455721403/pundits-politicans-very-quick-to-blame-video-game-movie-violence-newtown.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121217/07455721403/pundits-politicans-very-quick-to-blame-video-game-movie-violence-newtown.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:20:50 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Attendee At Batman Shooting Plans To Sue Warner Bros For Making Batman Too Violent</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We live in a litigious society.  That's not a secret.  So it's no surprise that, in the aftermath of the Aurora, Colorado Batman shootings, lawsuits will be filed.  But as always the question is: who do you sue?  Well, if the linked TMZ article is accurate, Torrence Brown Jr., who was in the theater, but not directly injured (though a friend of his was killed), has lawyered up, hiring an attorney named Donald Karpel <a href="http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/24/james-holmes-lawsuit-shooting/" target="_blank"><b><i>to sue Warner Bros.</i></b> for making the movie too violent</a>.  He's also apparently planning to sue the theater for not properly guarding the emergency exit, which is apparently where Holmes left and re-entered with the weapons.  Oh yeah, and the doctors of shooter James Holmes for not properly monitoring him.  
<br /><br />
This certainly seems like a frivolous lawsuit.  Going after <em>Warner Bros.?</em>  For <em>what?</em>  That's likely to get laughed out of court.  This seems like a clear case of a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100503/0319149274.shtml">"Steve Dallas lawsuit,"</a> named for the <a href="http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1986/06/22/" target="_blank">famous Bloom County comic strip</a> in which lawyer Steve Dallas gets beat up by Sean Penn after trying to take a photograph of the star.  He then explains why the proper target of a lawsuit is not Sean Penn, but the "Nikolta Camera" company, because "a major corporation with gobs of liquid cash ... was criminally negligent in not putting stickers on their camera which read, 'warning: physical injury may result from photographing psychopathic Hollywood hotheads."  
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In a coincidence that you simply couldn't make up, it turns out that Karpel once represented (no, seriously) a <a href="http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/13/sean-penn-paparazzi-settlement-terms-haiti-charities-attack-legal-court/" target="_blank">paparazzi photographer beat up by Sean Penn</a>.  Life imitates comic strips.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120724/10573119811/attendee-batman-shooting-plans-to-sue-warner-bros-making-batman-too-violent.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120724/10573119811/attendee-batman-shooting-plans-to-sue-warner-bros-making-batman-too-violent.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120724/10573119811/attendee-batman-shooting-plans-to-sue-warner-bros-making-batman-too-violent.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 09:10:49 PST</pubDate>
<title>One Mentally Deranged Shooter Is No Reason To Throw Out The First Amendment</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Like many people, I was absolutely horrified by the story over the weekend concerning the shooting in Arizona that has left a bunch of folks dead and left US Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in extremely serious condition in a hospital.  At the same time, for many years, I've been disgusted by the nature of political discourse, which often seems to involve petty name calling and ridiculous hyperbole (on all sides of the debate) usually based on association, rather than any actual position.  It's one of the reasons that we almost always try to avoid naming political parties on this site -- because we seem to get knee-jerk reactions to the party that someone is a member of, rather than a response to the actual positions.  That said, I'm troubled by the fact that many people have immediately jumped to the conclusion that the shooting was somehow caused by that ridiculous level of hyperbolic discourse, despite little evidence to support that.  So far, almost everything said has suggested that the shooter, Jared Lee Loughner, was an immensely troubled individual, whose views were all over the map, rather than tied to any particular prevailing viewpoint.
<br /><br />
So I'm troubled by reports that the quick, knee-jerk reaction from some politicians following the shooting is to <a href="http://thehill.com/homenews/house/137141-stunned-lawmakers-struggle-for-answers" target="_blank">pass laws to restrict forms of speech</a>, especially the exceptionally vague plan of Rep. Louise Slaughter to "better police language on the airwaves."  Don't get me wrong: even if this shooting had nothing whatsoever to do with the level of political rhetoric and childish bickering we see everyday in Congress and among the chattering pundits, it would be <i>great</i> if the end result were to lead to more reasoned debate, rather than ridiculous hysterics and blatant overstatement and exaggeration.  But passing laws are not the way to do that.  Telling people what they can and cannot say is not going to fix the level of discourse in American politics today.  Outlawing certain forms of speech on the airwaves will not stop crazy people from shooting others.
<br /><br />
Are there crazy people out there?  Absolutely.  Is the level of political discourse in this country somewhat ridiculous and often counterproductive?  Almost certainly.  Are those two things connected?  That seems like a huge stretch, with many people jumping to some unproven and unsubstantiated conclusions, leading to knee-jerk responses that limit speech based on nothing but an unproven hunch.  That's not the way law making is supposed to work.  And isn't making unfounded accusations against your political oppoents to try to squeeze some political advantage from such a tragedy just compounding the hysteria already present in the debate?  Why not start by setting a good example, rather than threatening to force everyone else to shut up?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110111/15305112606/one-mentally-deranged-shooter-is-no-reason-to-throw-out-first-amendment.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110111/15305112606/one-mentally-deranged-shooter-is-no-reason-to-throw-out-first-amendment.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110111/15305112606/one-mentally-deranged-shooter-is-no-reason-to-throw-out-first-amendment.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 1 Dec 2009 08:30:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Shooting Victim Sues Google Over Search Results On His Name</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=sinsi">sinsi</a> alerts us to a bizarre lawsuit in Australia where <a href="http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,26418851-5014239,00.html" target="_blank">shooting victim Michael Trkulja is suing Google</a>, claiming the search engine has some liability for his getting shot.  The reasoning?  Apparently searches on his name would take you to pages suggesting that Trkulja was involved in organized crime operations.  It doesn't appear that he has any other info linking his shooting to this particular webpage or to the fact that the shooter may have done a Google search.  It also does not appear (at least from the article here) that the guy is blaming the website in question -- just Google for leading people to it.  Not sure what sorts of laws there are in Australia concerning such liability, but it's hard to think of a scenario under which this lawsuit should make sense under any legal system.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0310197104.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0310197104.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091130/0310197104.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:14 PST</pubDate>
<title>NPR's Daniel Schorr Blames The Internet For Ft. Hood Shootings</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I recognize that NPR news analyst Daniel Schorr is well into his tenth decade of life, and plays the role of the "senior statesman of journalism" on NPR at times, but as a bunch of folks have sent in, he seems to have totally lost it with his recent piece <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120545573" target="_blank">suggesting the internet should share some of the blame for the Ft. Hood shootings</a> done by Maj. Nidal Hasan.  The reason?  Hasan apparently communicated via email with an "extremist cleric" whom he had met years ago (in person) at a mosque in Northern Virginia.  One wonders if they had corresponded by telephone, if Schorr would be questioning if AT&#038;T was to blame.  Or, if by pen and paper, if Bic was at fault.  Of course, Schorr doesn't even know what was in the emails sent between the two, so his speculation is based on even less than nothing.  However, even if his worst fears are true, and the cleric somehow pushed Hasan to carry out his attack, the fault remains with Hasan, and potentially the cleric.  Not the internet.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091119/1118197007.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091119/1118197007.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091119/1118197007.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>maybe-time-to-hang-up-the-microphone</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:57:17 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Wrong Number Phone Call Results In Shooting; Some People Need To Chill Out</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Every so often, I get wrong number phone calls (one of my numbers is apparently listed in a LensCrafters book of other stores, so I get calls from LensCrafter stores asking if I've got things in stock).  It's not that difficult to say "you have a wrong number" and everyone goes on their merry way.  Apparently, not for some.  In Georgia, someone accidentally dialed a wrong number, and it resulted in <a href="http://savannahnow.com/news/2009-10-28/texting-leads-shooting" target="_blank">someone getting shot</a>.  Apparently, following the wrong number, angry phone calls and texts were exchanged between the two guys, before they agreed to meet in a drug store parking lot, where one of them got shot (and the other got arrested).  The story doesn't indicate who dialed the wrong number first, but, seriously, would it have been that hard to have just said, "hey, wrong number" and left it at that?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091030/0255176727.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091030/0255176727.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091030/0255176727.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>oops</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:35:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>If You Get Shot, You Don't Get To Blame Craigslist For Hosting An Ad For The Gun Dealer Where The Shooter Bought The Gun</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've discussed in the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/search.php?site=&cx=partner-pub-4050006937094082%3Acx0qff-dnm1&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=steve+dallas">past</a> what we refer to as "Steve Dallas lawsuits."  The name comes from an old <i>Bloom County</i> comic strip (which to date, I've been unable to find online, but recall pretty clearly in my head -- but, uh, internet help me out -- can anyone find a copy of this strip? -- <b>see update below</b>), following a storyline where the character Steve Dallas is punched out by actor Sean Penn for trying to take Penn's photo.  In the strip, Dallas (a lawyer) discusses who to sue for his injuries from the attack.  He rules out most of the obvious candidates for one reason or another (including Penn), before finally settling on the manufacturer of his camera (if I remember correctly, it was Nikon) for <i>failing to put a warning label</i> on the camera, that taking pictures of celebrities may lead to them beating you up.  The point: you always sue some big company, no matter how tangentially related to the case, because they're the ones with the money. <b>Update</b>: The punchout storyline begins <a href="http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1986/04/16/" target="_new">here</a>, and the actual "who to sue" comic was printed a couple months later <a href="http://www.gocomics.com/bloomcounty/1986/06/22/" target="_new">here</a>.  My memory was slightly off.  It wasn't "Nikon" but the company was the made up name "Nikolta" (a mix of Nikon and Minolta, I guess).  Still, pretty good memory for something that was printed 23 years ago.  Thanks for the help in the comments finding it!
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Hence, "Steve Dallas lawsuits."  However, in all of the past such lawsuits we've discussed around here, I don't think I've ever seen one that was as big a stretch as this one.  A guy who got shot <a href="http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1202431523823&Judge_Dismisses_Shooting_Victims_Suit_Against_Craigslist_Over_Gun_Ad" target="_new">sued <i>Craigslist</i>, because apparently the shooter bought his gun from a gun dealer who advertised on Craigslist</a>.  Think about that for a second.  At this point we're already twice removed from a reasonable defendant.  Could you make an argument against the gun dealer?  Even that seems like a stretch (though I'm not all that familiar with gun laws these days).  But to go even further and <i>blame Craigslist</i>?  That seems preposterous.  And, thankfully, the court agreed.  It quickly tossed out the lawsuit on Section 230 safe harbors, but you have to wonder if that was even needed, given the fact that Craigslist <i>had nothing at all to do with the shooting</i>.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090618/0113385275.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090618/0113385275.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090618/0113385275.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>wow</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:03:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>School Shooting In Germany Immediately Leads To Calls To Ban Violent Video Games</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ A few people submitted stories about a German school shooting this week, noting that the AP report on the shooting spoke to a friend of the killer, talking about how they <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g-7Dbm7W0ADoXhfKS2O_sUrZu4NwD96S47T01" target="_new">used to play video games together</a>, and that some of them were violent.  I decided not to post it initially, because it was a small part of the story, and there was nothing saying anyone was actually responding to that aspect, yet.  But... of course... it didn't take long at all.  Politicians are leaping on the bandwagon and already <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/03/12/europe-violent-games-under-fire-wake-german-school-massacre" target="_new">some are calling for a total ban on violent video games</a>, despite no actual evidence that violent video games had anything, whatsoever, to do with the killings.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090312/1844164105.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090312/1844164105.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090312/1844164105.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>you-knew-it-would-happen</slash:department>
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