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<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 08:53:09 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Your Word Against Ours: How The FBI's 'No Electronic Recording' Policy Rigs The Game... And Destroys Its Credibility</title>
<dc:creator>Tim Cushing</dc:creator>
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Considering the FBI's unseemly interest in recording <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110511/02463914240/fbi-customers-might-sue-if-they-knew-companies-were-helping-with-wiretaps.shtml" target="_blank">phone calls</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130508/17171423010/judge-allows-fbi-to-use-evidence-collected-via-stingray-fake-cell-towers.shtml" target="_blank">inserting itself</a> into all sorts of electronic conversations (all without <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130508/11523523006/fbi-still-doesnt-think-it-needs-warrant-to-read-your-email-despite-court-ruling-to-contrary.shtml" target="_blank">asking permission</a> first), it's incredibly strange that it refuses to use one of the most basic electronic devices available: a voice recorder. In fact, as Harvey Silvergate's op-ed for the Boston Globe points out, <a href="http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2013/05/10/beware-fbi-when-not-recording/yz55UX8WMKU080pN4aP68K/story.html" target="_blank">it's forbidden to use any sort of recording device when interviewing suspects</a>.
<blockquote>
<i>FBI agents always interview in pairs. One agent asks the questions, while the other writes up what is called a &ldquo;form 302 report&rdquo; based on his notes. The 302 report, which the interviewee does not normally see, becomes the official record of the exchange; any interviewee who contests its accuracy risks prosecution for lying to a federal official, a felony. And here is the key problem that throws the accuracy of all such statements and reports into doubt: FBI agents almost never electronically record their interrogations; to do so would be against <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20070402_FBI_Memo.pdf" target="_blank">written policy</a>.</i></blockquote>
Without a recording to compare the transcript to, we are expected to trust the FBI's version of the interrogation. If we can't trust it, we are left to draw one of the following conclusions.
<br /><br />
1. The transcript is completely false.<br /> 2. The transcript is heavily editorialized.<br /> 3. The transcript interprets certain statements, but is otherwise accurate.<br /> 4. The transcript is completely accurate.
<br /><br />
Of all of these choices, number 4 seem least likely. In fact, one wonders why the FBI bothers interviewing anyone when it could simply put two agents in a room and allow them to bang out a confession on behalf of the accused.
<br /><br />
If a suspect claims the transcription is erroneous, it's his word against theirs. His words, of course, disappeared into the ether as soon as they were spoken. The FBI's version lives on, printed on paper.
<br /><br />
We don't need to ask "why" this is a problem. There are rhetorical questions and then there are stupid questions, the sort helpful teachers and guidance counselors continue to pretend don't exist. A better question is, "Why hasn't this been changed?" Silvergate notes this policy is an <i>updated</i> version of a 1990's policy, crafted in 2006, long long long long after recording devices were ubiquitous. The excuse that this policy was "logistically necessary" because of technological limitations was ridiculous in 1990, much less 16 years later.
<br /><br />
This is a problem. More specifically, this is Robel Phillipos' problem.
<blockquote>
<i>Phillipos is a 19-year-old Cambridge resident, former UMass Dartmouth student, and friend of alleged Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. He faces charges of making materially false statements during a series of interviews with FBI agents. If convicted, he could get up to eight years in federal prison and a $250,000 fine.</i></blockquote>
How do we know he did this? Because the FBI says he did. It has the "paperwork" to "prove" it. As was pointed out above, simply questioning the transcript opens the questioner up for charges of "making false statements." Phillipos could be completely innocent but that means nothing when the accusers are writing the narrative. Scott Greenfield shows just how easily <a href="http://blog.simplejustice.us/2013/05/15/the-fbi-hates-the-on-button.aspx" target="_blank">an innocent answer could turn into damning "evidence" in the hands of an FBI interrogation team</a>.
<blockquote>
<i>Q: We found files on your computer showing that you went to a website with instructions on how to make a bomb, so we know you did it. When did you first go to the bomb website?</i>
<br /><br />
<i>A: I surf the web constantly and go through, like, a million pages. I have no idea what pages I searched or when. How could I possibly know?</i>
<br /><br />
<i>Notated in 302: D cannot recall when he first went to bomb website. Went "constantly."</i></blockquote>
Slick, isn't it? And when someone points out a misquote, the accusation is turned on them just as easily. "Are you lying now or were you lying earlier?"
<br /><br />
This is nasty business but it gets even nastier. Beyond the hilarious claim that tech simply hasn't advanced enough since 1990 to allow reliable voice recording, there's a much darker rationale guiding this ridiculous (and dangerous) policy.
<blockquote>
<i>The more honest &mdash; and more terrifying &mdash; justification for non-recording given in the memo reads as follows: &ldquo;. . . perfectly lawful and acceptable interviewing techniques do not always come across in recorded fashion to lay persons as proper means of obtaining information from defendants. Initial resistance may be interpreted as involuntariness and misleading a defendant as to the quality of the evidence against him may appear to be unfair deceit.&rdquo; Translated from bureaucratese: When viewed in the light of day, recorded witness statements could appear to a reasonable jury of laypersons to have been coercively or misleadingly obtained.</i></blockquote>
Sometimes the "reasonable jury" would be right -- the statement <i>has</i> been "coercively or misleadingly obtained." Other times, it may not be as clear-cut. But in a day and age where recording interviews and interrogations is the expectation, the FBI continues to play by its own (convenient) rules. And if the person being interrogated doesn't like it, he can expect additional charges to brought. This puts the alleged criminal in the unenviable position of having "anything he says" twisted, rewritten and heavily paraphrased before being used against him.
<br /><br />
Silvergate cautions to withhold judgement on Phillipos until all the facts are in. But as long as the FBI continues to use this "recording" technique, don't grant its statements any credibility. They have none.
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<pubDate>Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:54:21 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Time Warner Cable: We Can Record You, But You Can't Record Us</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ So we just had a post about a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130401/03412922526/spoof-time-warner-cable-site-video-asks-customers-what-can-we-do-worse.shtml">spoof</a> on customer service from Time Warner Cable by the gripe site <a href="http://twccustomerservice.com/" target="_blank">TWCCustomerService.com</a>, and I see that they've been busy with their next video as well, in which they <a href="http://vimeo.com/62997994" target="_blank">call Time Warner Cable's customer service center</a> and tell the representative who answers that they are going to "record the call for quality assurance."  Hilarity ensues.
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Here's a snippet.
<blockquote><i>
<b>Caller</b>: First off, I just want to let you know that I'm recording the call for quality assurance...
<br /><br />
<b>Customer Service Rep</b>: Unfortunately, I'm actually not authorizing you to do so, sir.
<br /><br />
<b>Caller</b>: You're not authorized to do what?
<br /><br />
<b>Customer Service Rep</b>: I'm not authorizing the recording, sir.
<br /><br />
<b>Caller</b>: Oh, well you guys are recording the phone call on your end.  Why can't I record it on my end?
<br /><br />
<b>Customer Service Rep</b>: (long pause) Because it's the company sir.
</i></blockquote>
Later on, the CSR admits that, yes, TWC is recording the call, and the caller requests the recording (guess how that goes?).  The CSR continues to insist he's uncomfortable being recorded and is not giving any consent, so the caller more or less says the same thing and asks the CSR to turn off the recording on their end.  And so it goes.
<br /><br />
As a random aside, I'll just bring up the idiocy of places (including my home state of California) that have <a href="http://zenlaw.net/reaper/?p=37" target="_blank">two party consent recording laws</a>.  If you are a party to the call, you should be able to record it without getting the consent of all participants.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130402/18092222551/time-warner-cable-we-can-record-you-you-cant-record-us.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130402/18092222551/time-warner-cable-we-can-record-you-you-cant-record-us.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130402/18092222551/time-warner-cable-we-can-record-you-you-cant-record-us.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 15:01:42 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Recording Of Bradley Manning's Statement In Court Leaked</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've discussed before just how <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120906/12484220305/too-much-secrecy-press-ask-court-to-open-up-bradley-manning-court-martial.shtml">secretive</a> the court martial process has been for Bradley Manning.  Part of that is that there is no recording allowed in the courtroom, and thus there was no recording or official transcript of Manning's long statement to the court, even though some reporters tried to <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/01/bradley-manning-wikileaks-statement-full-text" target="_blank">piece together a statement</a> from their notes.  However, it appears that someone snuck a recorder into the room, and recorded Manning's statement, which <a href="https://www.pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2013/03/fpf-publishes-leaked-audio-of-bradley-mannings-statement" target="_blank">has now been leaked</a> by the Freedom of the Press Foundation.  As they note, this is actually the first time that the public has been able to hear Bradley Manning speak.  As the FPF notes:
<blockquote><i>
A group of journalists, represented by the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), has been engaged in a legal battle to force the court to be more open. While the government has belatedly released a small portion of documents related to the case, many of the most important orders have been withheld&#8212;such as the orders relating to the speedy trial proceedings or the order related to Manning&#8217;s prolonged solitary confinement.
<br /><br />
Michael Ratner, president emeritus of CCR, called the government "utterly unresponsive to what is a core First Amendment principle." Ratner noted this is a public trial, the information being presented is not classified, and that contemporaneous access to information about the trial is necessary to understanding the proceedings. Nonetheless, the lawsuit has been tied up in the appeals court for months. 
</i></blockquote>
Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/bradley-manning-tapes-own-words" target="_blank">highlights why this is so important</a>:
<blockquote><i>
The US government and its military has carefully ensured that people hear about Manning from the government, but do not hear from Manning himself. It is way past time for Manning's voice to be heard.
</i></blockquote>
Greenwald has also broken down the statement and highlighted some key points.  For example, he notes that many of Manning's critics argued that Manning released information willy nilly with no concern for what was in the documents, and whether releasing them would cause harm.  From the transcript, we learn that this is simply untrue.  He did review the content, and came to the conclusion that the documents he was releasing needed to be released for the benefit of the US, and not to harm the US.  He admitted they might be embarrassing, but that's very different from harmful.
<blockquote><i>
    Up to this point, during the deployment, I had issues I struggled with and difficulty at work. <b>Of the documents release, the cables were the only one I was not absolutely certain couldn't harm the United States. I conducted research on the cables published on the Net Centric Diplomacy, as well as how Department of State cables worked in general.</b>
<br /><br />
"In particular, I wanted to know how each cable was published on SIRPnet via the Net Centric Diplomacy. As part of my open source research, I found a document published by the Department of State on its official website.
<br /><br />
"The document provided guidance on caption markings for individual cables and handling instructions for their distribution. I quickly learned the caption markings clearly detailed the sensitivity of the Department of State cables. For example, NODIS or No Distribution was used for messages at the highest sensitivity and were only distributed to the authorized recipients.
<br /><br />
"The SIPDIS or SIPRnet distribution caption was applied only to recording of other information messages that were deemed appropriate for a release for a wide number of individuals. According to the Department of State guidance for a cable to have the SIPDIS caption, it could not include other captions that were intended to limit distribution.
<br /><br />
"The SIPDIS caption was only for information that could only be shared with anyone with access to SIPRnet. I was aware that thousands of military personnel, DoD, Department of State, and other civilian agencies had easy access to the tables. The fact that the SIPDIS caption was only for wide distribution made sense to me, given that the vast majority of the Net Centric Diplomacy Cables were not classified.
<br /><br />
"The more I read the cables, the more I came to the conclusion that this was the type of information that should become public. I once read and used a quote on open diplomacy written after the First World War and how the world would be a better place if states would avoid making secret pacts and deals with and against each other.
<br /><br />
"I thought these cables were a prime example of a need for a more open diplomacy. Given all of the Department of State cables that I read, the fact that most of the cables were unclassified, and that all the cables have a SIPDIS caption.
<br /><br />
"I believe that the public release of these cables would not damage the United States, however, I did believe that the cables might be embarrassing, since they represented very honest opinions and statements behind the backs of other nations and organizations."
</i></blockquote>
It really is a travesty that the US government has kept all of this so closed, and has refused to release a recording or a transcript.  Are they really so afraid that the public might hear Bradley Manning explain himself?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130312/13325322300/recording-bradley-mannings-statement-court-leaked.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130312/13325322300/recording-bradley-mannings-statement-court-leaked.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130312/13325322300/recording-bradley-mannings-statement-court-leaked.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 6 Feb 2013 08:26:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>NJ State Trooper Feels The Best Part About The Required Dashcam Is The OFF Button</title>
<dc:creator>Tim Cushing</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We&#39;ve seen <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/?tag=filming" target="_blank">plenty of stories</a> here dealing with law enforcement&#39;s general displeasure with having their actions captured on camera by citizens (with one rare, exemplary exception). An odd stance to take, considering most law enforcement officers are recording a majority of their interactions with the public -- except when it&#39;s more convenient not to. Scott Greenfield runs down the details of another case <a href="http://blog.simplejustice.us/2013/01/24/they-shoot-video-dont-they.aspx" target="_blank">where a state trooper&#39;s camera was used selectively to "throw out" incriminating evidence</a>.
<blockquote>
<i>The virtue of having a video of police encounters has been proven over and over, whether because it belies the allegations of a crime or proves them. But then, sometimes the guy with his finger on the dashcam&#39;s "on" button may not want evidence of what is about to happen. Via <a href="http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/01/jury_awards_55000_to_man_beate.html" target="_blank">NJ.com</a>:</i>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;">
<i>Allen Bass, 50, sued Trooper Gerald Dellagicoma and others in 2009, claiming they punched and kicked him multiple times, causing him to urinate on himself, after he complied with their commands to get off his bicycle at Ellis Avenue and Clinton Avenue in Irvington a year earlier.</i></p>
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<i>[Bass] was riding his bike July 10, 2008, in Irvington when Dellagicoma and other troopers who were on patrol in the area got out of their patrol cars and ordered him to stop. Bass claimed he laid on the ground chest-down and spread his arms and legs.</i></p>
<p style="margin-left: 40px;">
<i>Troopers allegedly then punched and kicked him before arresting him. Bass was charged with drug possession, resisting arrest by flight and resisting arrest by force, court documents show.</i>
</p></blockquote>
Ultimately, the charges against Bass were dropped because the officers failed to show up in court. That, in and of itself, doesn&#39;t necessarily indicate any sort of irresponsibility or maliciousness on behalf of the troopers involved. But one of State Trooper Dellagicoma&#39;s actions during the incident certainly does.
<blockquote>
<i>Court documents show Dellagicoma, who joined the force in 2001, failed to activate his patrol car camera and was suspended without pay for 30 days, but only served 15 days of that suspension.</i></blockquote>
And this wasn&#39;t an isolated incident.
<blockquote>
<i>Records show Dellagicoma was reprimanded several times prior to the incident for the same infraction.</i></blockquote>
In fact, Dellagicoma <a href="http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/01/jury_awards_55000_to_man_beate.html" target="_blank">is named in another federal civil suit for basically the same actions</a>:
<blockquote>
<i>In another federal civil lawsuit, Salah Williams of Newark, an African-American, claims he was a victim of racial profiling, excessive force and malicious prosecution when Dellagicoma allegedly assaulted, maced, arrested and charged him for no reason while walking near his store in the city... Similar to the Bass case, Dellagicoma also failed to activate his patrol car camera and appear in court, resulting in the dismissal of the charges against Williams.</i></blockquote>
This is a big problem. As Greenfield points out, New Jersey State Troopers are <i>required</i>&nbsp;to record <i>every</i> interaction with the public.
<blockquote>
<i>What makes this special is that in New Jersey, there is a requirement that arose from the racial profiling scandal that rocked the Turnpike, that all encounters with State Troopers be videotaped. The state was kind enough to put cameras in cruisers. Never again would a trooper be falsely accused of profiling a driver just because he was black. (This is known as the "black plus" theory of profiling.)</i></blockquote>
The bigger problem is the handling of those who choose to grant themselves exceptions to this requirement. The offense is treated as a minor infraction, punishable by a written reprimand or a short suspension -- neither of which are severe enough to make troopers like Dellagicoma reconsider hitting the OFF switch when it suits them.
<blockquote>
<i>The only way an incentive system works is to make the cost of noncompliance greater than the cost of compliance. Apparently, a written reprimand and a few days suspension doesn&#39;t cut it. And when it happens repeatedly, it is clearly failing to serve as a deterrent. That&#39;s not good enough.</i><br />
<br />
<i>The efficacy of video depends on its actually being used, in every instance and including the entire encounter. <b>Anything less reduces it to a game, where the police make the rules, and the rules will not be good for the other side.</b></i></blockquote>
Citizens aren&#39;t going to be on hand to record all of these interactions, although each passing day provides more and more documentation captured by the public, many of whom put themselves in harm&#39;s way to secure this footage. And it&#39;s a sign that the system is pretty screwed up if "recording the police" often equates to "putting yourself in harm&#39;s way."<br />
<br />
This single incident cost New Jersey taxpayers $50,000 and did more damage to the already-questionable reputation of NJ state troopers. All it cost Dellagicoma was a single paycheck, leaving him free to "fail to activate" his camera again and again as the situation suits him.&nbsp;<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121124/16175121132/nj-state-trooper-feels-best-part-about-required-dashcam-is-off-button.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121124/16175121132/nj-state-trooper-feels-best-part-about-required-dashcam-is-off-button.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121124/16175121132/nj-state-trooper-feels-best-part-about-required-dashcam-is-off-button.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:17:55 PST</pubDate>
<title>Police Use HIPAA To Justify Charging Citizen For Recording Them</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ At some point, some national group is going to have to get the memo out to local law enforcement agencies within the United States that it is perfectly legal to record them while they operate in public. We&#39;ve seen <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120726/12443919846/one-day-after-dc-police-told-not-to-interfere-with-citizens-recording-them-police-seize-mans-phone.shtml">case</a> after <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml">case</a> after <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110920/07470216024/citizen-recording-police-proves-officer-lied-about-arrest.shtml">case</a> of citizens having their property taken away or being charged with trumped up crimes all because they pointed a recording device at the police. Hell, some states have tried to enact <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml">unconstitutional laws</a> to back up their ill-conceived and unwarranted positions.<br />
<br />
All that being said, you just have to hand it to a police force up in Minnesota for the sheer cajones it took to do what they did. It started as other stories have, with a citizen, Andrew Henderson, recording police as they frisked a bloodied man before he was loaded into an ambulance and then having an <a href="http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_22333563/little-canada-man-videotaped-sheriffs-deputies-and-got">officer take his recording device away</a>.
<blockquote>
The deputy, Jacqueline Muellner, approached him and snatched the camera from his hand, Henderson said.</blockquote>
<blockquote><i>
"We'll just take this for evidence," Muellner said. Their voices were recorded on Henderson's cellphone as they spoke, and Henderson provided a copy of the audio file to the Pioneer Press. "If I end up on YouTube, I'm gonna be upset."</i></blockquote>
We've seen this kind of thing before, of course. Police use the excuse of evidence collecting to take away recording devices, which is really the only thing they're interested in. It's wrong. We get that. Usually some kind of internal review of the incident is triggered, asses are officially covered, and then the recording device is returned, sometimes after having been wiped. It's a bad enough story as it stands.<br />
<br />
And that scenario is almost exactly what happened here, as the spokesman for Ramsey County acknowledged in a quote that citizens have the right to record police. But everyday abusive practices aren't enough for Ramsey County officers, apparently. The only thing that will satisfy them appears to be a new level of bullshit hitherto unseen, because a week later, when Henderson went to retrieve the camera, the police charged him with disorderly conduct and obstruction, with the citation noting that this was due to a "Data privacy HIPAA violation." In case you aren't clear on this, in the blogging industry, we refer to this as a massive amount of bullshit (piles and piles of it).
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<i>The allegation that his recording of the incident violated HIPAA, or the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, is nonsense, said Jennifer Granick, a specialist on privacy issues at Stanford University Law School. The rule deals with how health care providers handle consumers' health information.</i></blockquote>
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<i>"There's nothing in HIPAA that prevents someone who's not subject to HIPAA from taking photographs on the public streets," Granick said. "HIPAA has absolutely nothing to say about that."</i></blockquote>
The kicker? The deputy who had taken the camera for "evidence" purposes erased all the footage. The exchange in which she took that camera was audio recorded by Henderson separately on his cell phone, a recording which he still has. I would suggest that if the police do not immediately rescind their trumped up charges against him, Henderson should insist that we take the deputy at her word, assume she collected the camera and its footage as evidence, and then we can all begin discussing how much prison time the deputy should be doing for destruction of evidence and obstruction of justice.<br />
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That's no more crazy than anything the police have done in this story.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130109/10540821619/ramsey-county-police-use-hipaa-to-justify-charging-citizen-recording-them.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130109/10540821619/ramsey-county-police-use-hipaa-to-justify-charging-citizen-recording-them.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130109/10540821619/ramsey-county-police-use-hipaa-to-justify-charging-citizen-recording-them.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:02:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Supreme Court Rejects Appeal Over Law Banning Recording The Police</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ You may recall that we&#39;ve been following the ongoing saga of a poorly-written piece of state legislation in Illinois, which would strip citizens of their First Amendment rights if they were to film law enforcement performing their duties. One gentleman was facing a possible <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">75 years</a> in jail for five counts at up to 15 years each, until the 7th Circuit appeals court <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120509/16490418853/federal-appeals-court-rejects-illinois-eavesdropping-law-as-likely-violating-first-amendment.shtml">ruled</a> that the law could not be enforced, because it very likely violated the First Amendment.  Specifically, they sent it back to the lower court to rule on whether the law did, in fact, violate the First Amendment, along with fairly strong guidance that the lower court should probably toss out the law on those grounds.  However, before the district court could review, the appeals court ruling was appealed to the Supreme Court.<br />
<br />
The <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-supreme-court-rejects-plea-to-prohibit-taping-of-police-20121126,0,686331.story">Supreme Court has now refused to hear the case</a>, sending it back to the lower court, as the appeals court had originally intended.
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<i>The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from the Cook County state&#39;s attorney to allow enforcement of a law prohibiting people from recording police officers on the job. The justices on Monday left in place a lower court ruling that found that the state&#39;s anti-eavesdropping law violates free speech rights when used against people who tape law enforcement officers.</i></blockquote>
The ACLU had brought a suit to block the prosecution of their staff recording police in public spaces, a main focus of the organization. They also see the refusal by the Supreme Court to hear the case as a major win for the rights of citizens to keep law enforcement from abusing their power.
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<i>Harvey Grossman, legal director of the ACLU of Illinois, said the organization was "pleased that the Supreme Court has refused to take this appeal. . .The ACLU of Illinois continues to believe that in order to make the rights of free expression and petition effective, individuals and organizations must be able to freely gather and record information about the conduct of government and their agents &ndash; especially the police. The advent and widespread accessibility of new technologies make the recording and dissemination of pictures and sound inexpensive, efficient and easy to accomplish."</i></blockquote>
As recording devices in public become more and more ubiquitous, hopefully law enforcement will cease to shy away from such public scrutiny. After all, in the long run, the ability for the public to check abuses by the authorities will only make those authorities better.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2012 02:55:03 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Michael Robertson Continues To Tempt Copyright Fate With UberTalk: Recordable Radio Directory Online</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120926/16145720520/michael-robertson-continues-to-tempt-copyright-fate-with-ubertalk-recordable-radio-directory-online.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Michael Robertson has a long history of pushing the boundaries of copyright law, by going where the <i>technology</i> allows, even if the law hasn't quite caught up yet.  As such, he frequently finds himself on the wrong end of legal actions from legacy players who hate being disrupted.  Last year, we wrote about his <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110614/01202214681/michael-robertson-tempts-copyright-fate-yet-again-with-darfm.shtml">DAR.fm effort</a>, which basically is an online DVR for broadcast radio.  He's now taking that even further, with <a href="http://ubertalk.com/" target="_blank">the launch of UberTalk</a>, an online directory of what's on radio right now (and in the future).  You know your basic online (or on screen) TV guides?  Yeah, UberTalk is that, but for radio -- with the convenient ability to play... or to record and time shift anything you'd like.
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Given the state of radio today, this seems really, really <i>useful</i>.  But, is it legal?  We've already seen <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111006/01221816229/darfm-receives-cease-desist-letting-people-record-radio-online.shtml">legal threats</a> pointed at DAR.fm, and I can't imagine that all the broadcast folks will like this either -- even though it only <i>increases</i> the value of their product by making it more easy to find and useful.
<br /><br />
What we're seeing, yet again, is how the technology allows for something really useful that adds value to both the content and for the users.  And yet... copyright law makes it very, very difficult to pull off.  Why?  Because copyright law is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120913/23530420381/copyright-act-explicitly-says-disruptive-innovation-should-be-blocked.shtml">purposely</a> built around keeping the status quo, not about encouraging innovation.  So you have yet another clear case where it seems like copyright law is holding back "the progress" rather than helping to speed it along.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120926/16145720520/michael-robertson-continues-to-tempt-copyright-fate-with-ubertalk-recordable-radio-directory-online.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120926/16145720520/michael-robertson-continues-to-tempt-copyright-fate-with-ubertalk-recordable-radio-directory-online.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120926/16145720520/michael-robertson-continues-to-tempt-copyright-fate-with-ubertalk-recordable-radio-directory-online.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:17:08 PDT</pubDate>
<title>One Day After DC Police Told Not To Interfere With Citizens Recording Them... Police Seize Man's Phone</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120726/12443919846/one-day-after-dc-police-told-not-to-interfere-with-citizens-recording-them-police-seize-mans-phone.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ So, yesterday, everyone was feeling warm and fuzzy about the very clear statement by Washington DC's police chief Cathy Lanier pushing out a very explicit <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120724/15385919815/dc-police-chief-lays-down-new-cellcamera-policy-dont-seize-dont-delete-dont-interfere.shtml">policy</a> to all DC police concerning mobile phone cameras.  The policy was straightforward: police cannot interfere with someone recording them.  They cannot demand to know why they're recording them.  And they cannot seize the phone.
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It appears that some police officers didn't read the memo.
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As noted by <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/one-day-after-dc-polices-reasonable-camera-policy-phones-still-taken/" target="_blank">Ars Technica</a>, the day after the policy was announced, a police officer <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/one-day-after-dc-polices-reasonable-camera-policy-phones-still-taken/" target="_blank">seized a guy's camera for recording police activities</a>.  They did eventually give the phone back but kept the memory card and the guy is pissed off because the card supposedly has hundreds of photos of his daughter on there.
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The DC police say that they're "looking into" the report.  It would be nice to see them follow up on their original policy statement with a clear rebuke of the officers involved.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120726/12443919846/one-day-after-dc-police-told-not-to-interfere-with-citizens-recording-them-police-seize-mans-phone.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120726/12443919846/one-day-after-dc-police-told-not-to-interfere-with-citizens-recording-them-police-seize-mans-phone.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120726/12443919846/one-day-after-dc-police-told-not-to-interfere-with-citizens-recording-them-police-seize-mans-phone.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:14:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>RIAA's New War: Shutting Down The Equivalent Of Internet VCRs</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/08220419435/riaas-new-war-shutting-down-equivalent-internet-vcrs.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ The entertainment industry just won't quit trying to kill perfectly legal technologies with substantial non-infringing uses.  Back during the big legal fight over Grokster, the RIAA insisted that it had absolutely no interest in stopping technologies people used to record things.  In fact, Consumer Electronics Association CEO Gary Shapiro <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060518/0251200.shtml">reminded them</a> of this promise after the RIAA went after XM Radio's device to record broadcasts.  It appears that the RIAA has no problem continuing to go against its word.  Its latest move is to send a letter to CNET, asking it <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57457982-93/riaa-to-cnet-follow-google-nix-video-to-mp3-conversions/" target="_blank">to remove tools from Download.com that can be used to record videos from YouTube</a>.  Of course, there a tons of legitimate uses for such tools.  Just as you can legally record shows off of TV (thank you Supreme Court), you should be able to record stuff on YouTube (related: shame on Google for <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57456397-501465/google-youtube-blocks-website-that-converts-videos-into-mp3s/" target="_blank">blocking such tools as well</a>).
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Of course, from the parts of the RIAA's request that have been made public by Greg Sandoval at CNET, it sounds like the RIAA isn't directly making a legal threat (which would be tough, given CNET's role as a fourth party service provider for third party tools which might be used to infringe), but rather appealing to its parent company, CBS, arguing that because such tools and their substantial non-infringing uses might also be used to record CBS content (again, just like the VCR), that they should want to put an end to them..  Thankfully, it sounds like CNET has no interest in complying.
<br /><br />
However, given the RIAA's promises during the Grokster case that it had no interest in blocking such technologies, it seems that, once again, the RIAA has been shown as liars who have no compunction about blocking perfectly legal technologies, just because they haven't figured out how to adapt to modern times.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/08220419435/riaas-new-war-shutting-down-equivalent-internet-vcrs.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/08220419435/riaas-new-war-shutting-down-equivalent-internet-vcrs.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/08220419435/riaas-new-war-shutting-down-equivalent-internet-vcrs.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:46:21 PST</pubDate>
<title>Yet Another Court Says Illinois 'Eavesdropping' Law That Criminalizes Recording Police Is Unconstitutional</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've covered in great detail the ridiculous law in Illinois that makes it a crime to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">record police</a>, even while they're on duty, without their knowledge.  This seems crazy to us, and it appears the courts are agreeing.  Last fall, we noted that a state court had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml">ruled</a> the law was unconstitutional, and now (as pointed out by reader John Katos) <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-judge-rules-eavesdropping-law-unconstitutional-20120302,0,4122460.story" target="_blank">another local court has done the same</a>.
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Judge Stanley Sacks, who is assigned to the Criminal Courts Building, found the eavesdropping law unconstitutional because it potentially criminalizes &#8220;wholly innocent conduct.&#8221;
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Last we'd heard, Illinois prosecutors were <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml">appealing</a> the first ruling, and I imagine they won't be too happy about this ruling either.  But, at some point, it seems they <i>have</i> to recognize the ridiculousness of making it a crime to record police on the job.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 6 Oct 2011 16:13:51 PDT</pubDate>
<title>DAR.fm Receives Cease &#038; Desist For Letting People Record Radio Online</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111006/01221816229/darfm-receives-cease-desist-letting-people-record-radio-online.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Earlier this year, we wrote about Michael Robertson's latest project, <a href="http://dar.fm/" target="_blank">DAR.fm</a>, noting that he was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110614/01202214681/michael-robertson-tempts-copyright-fate-yet-again-with-darfm.shtml" target="_blank">tempting copyright lawsuit fate again</a>.  DAR.fm is basically an online DVR for radio.  It lets you record and listen to all sorts of online radio programming.  As we noted at the time, it seemed inevitable that someone would challenge the legality of this -- but it seemed like the Second Circuit's ruling in the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110311/01523313456/did-japan-korea-just-make-life-really-difficult-any-cloud-service-provider.shtml">Cablevision online DVR case</a> at least presented him with a case that supported his general view that such time shifting of radio, even if done remotely, is legal.
<br /><br />
Either way, it appears he's <a href="http://www.michaelrobertson.com/archive.php?minute_id=353" target="_blank">received his first cease &#038; desist</a>, which comes from Univision and is embedded below.  Robertson is making his case against Univision publicly, first pointing out that it seems to be reacting the same way the TV industry did to TiVo and ReplayTV:
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Ten years ago, ReplayTV and TiVo burst onto the scene introducing the digital video recorder (DVR) to the world. Immediately some predicted the end of the TV business because people could fast-forward through commercials. Lawsuits put ReplayTV out of business (in spite of superior technology). Eventually cooler heads prevailed and the technology thrived to the point where nearly half of American households have a DVR. Consumers could, for the first time, enjoy their favorite programming at a time convenient for them. Thanks in large part to the DVR, TV viewing is up 40% over the last decade which is especially notable given that competition for consumer attention has stiffened due to internet browsing, Skype, video games, and social networking.
<br /><br />
You would think that with this backdrop radio companies would welcome DVR technology into their own industry and many probably will but at least one doesn't - Univision.
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He goes on to make the case that such time shifting is quite common and legal.  In fact, he points out that Univision is more known for its TV stations, and are they really arguing that a DVR is legal for video, but a DAR is not for audio?
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While recording broadcasted material may be new to radio, it's not new to society and surely Univision must know that. Nearly 50% of US households have a DVR today. Univision's TV business dwarfs its radio business. It's likely that millions of people are making recordings of Univision TV shows as I write this. And some may be blinking their eyes or listening from another room transforming these video recordings into audio recordings. Similarly, internet users can capture online articles for later viewing using popular services like <a href="http://www.readitlater.com/">Readitlater</a> and <a href="http://www.instapaper.com/">Instapaper</a> and some may be doing that from the Univision.com website. If it's legal in those channels it only makes sense that the same functionality is legal for radio.
<br /><br />
In their demand letter Univision says that no court has addressed the legality of "precisely" the kind of service offered by <a href="http://DAR.fm/">DAR.fm</a>. Well of course not the PRECISE service, but darn close. The case is called Cartoon Network v Cablevision. Cablevision wanted to offer a remote DVR service and media companies sued them alleging copyright infringement. (You can read assessment of this critically important case <a href="http://michaelrobertson.com/archive.php?minute_id=299">here</a>.) Courts eventually ruled that a centralized recording service did not require a license from media companies and was not a copyright infringement. Cablevision now commercially offers this service under the name <a href="http://goo.gl/j1mle">DVR Plus</a>. Other companies have begun offering online recording services.
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It will come as little surprise that I think DAR.fm should be legal, but the courts can be funny about this kind of thing.  Even though, functionally, it may seem identical to a DVR, having it actually go to court is a crapshoot.  Still, if Univision is smart, it'll back down on this.  Making their stations and programs more difficult to listen to hardly seems like a compelling business strategy.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111006/01221816229/darfm-receives-cease-desist-letting-people-record-radio-online.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111006/01221816229/darfm-receives-cease-desist-letting-people-record-radio-online.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111006/01221816229/darfm-receives-cease-desist-letting-people-record-radio-online.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2011 09:32:47 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Guy Arrested, Threatened With 15 Years For Recording Traffic Stop In Illinois</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ With Illinois planning to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml">appeal the Michael Allison case</a>, in which the state wants to put Allison in jail for 75 years because he recorded an interaction with the police, it's worth pointing out that this is not the only such case in Illinois.  A few people have sent over this ABC report about another guy, Louis Frobe, who <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/special_segments&#038;id=8370540" target="_blank">was arrested and told he was facing 15 years in jail</a> for daring to turn on his Flip cam during a traffic stop.  You can see the video of the traffic stop in the news report below.  Yes, note the irony: the whole thing was recorded (without Frobe's permission) by the police car camera, but the second the officer sees the Flip cam, he tells Frobe he's committed a felony and arrests him:
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The key part:
<blockquote><i>
Frobe calls it the worst experience of his life. He was on his way to a late evening movie on an August night last year when he was stopped for speeding in far north suburban Lindenhurst. He didn't believe he was in a 35-mile-an-hour zone, and he figured if he was going to get ticket he wanted to be able to document his challenge with video evidence, so he got out his flip camera, which he was not very adept at using.
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At one point he held it out the window trying to record where he was. When the officer, being recorded on his squad dash cam, walked back to Frobe's car, the officer saw Frobe's camera.
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Officer: "That recording? Frobe : "Yes, Yes, I've been... Officer: "Was it recording all of our conversation? Frobe: "Yes. Officer: "Guess what? You were eavesdropping on our conversation. I did not give you permission to do so. Step out of the vehicle."
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Louis Frobe was then cuffed and arrested for felony eavesdropping.
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Yes, eavesdropping.  On himself.
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In this case, prosecutors eventually dropped the charges, but Frobe turned around and sued them for the arrest in the first place.  The Illinois Attorney General -- who still insists there's no First Amendment right to record the police -- has said Frobe's case should be dismissed since he has no standing.  Of course, this is a nearly identical fact pattern to the Glik case in Massachusetts, where the court not only allowed Glik to sue but <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110827/23285615713/appeals-court-arresting-guy-filming-cops-was-clear-violation-both-1st-4th-amendments.shtml">found 1st and 4th Amendment problems with the arrest</a>.  These are different circuits, so the ruling in Massachusetts doesn't directly act as precedent for Illinois, but it certainly can be cited and discussed.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:18:44 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Illinois Prosecutors Planning To Appeal Ruling That Said Recording Police Is Protected By The First Amendment</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Earlier this month, we wrote about the ridiculous <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">criminal case against Michael Allison</a>, who was facing 75  years in prison for the horrible crime of recording the police.  The details of the case made it quite clear that the charges against him were vindictive, in response to attempts by Allison to challenge a questionable fine he'd received.  Thankfully, an Illinois state court <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml">tossed out the lawsuit</a>, noting that the law pretty clearly violated the First Amendment.
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Of course, for whatever reason, Illinois state law enforcement has taken particular interest in the case, with the state Attorney General office coming in to help with the case, and the Illinois Assistant Attorney General flat out claiming that there's no First Amendment right to record police.  So, it should probably come as little surprise that <a href="http://www.robdailynews.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&#038;SubSectionID=2&#038;ArticleID=9114&#038;TM=71929.82" target="_blank">the state has indicated that it's planning to appeal the ruling</a> (via <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/radleybalko/statuses/118761453401538560" target="_blank">Radley Balko</a>).  Perhaps this isn't a surprise -- but it does suggest a really broken system where the state is so adamant in trying to vindictively punish a guy for defending his own rights.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 12:58:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Citizen Recording Of Police Proves Officer Lied About Arrest</title>
<dc:creator>Zachary Knight</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/19/cell-phone-video-contradicts-p" target="_blank">Reason.com</a> alerts us to an LA Times article covering a recent trial in which a <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-sheriff-credibility-20110919,0,7096465,full.story" target="_blank">private citizen's cellphone video proved officers lied</a> about an arrest, resulting in the acquittal of a young man accused of carrying a concealed firearm. 
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According to police reports after the arrest:

<blockquote><i>Deputy Levi Belville testified that he saw Gipson in the side yard run and toss a loaded revolver onto the roof of a detached garage. The deputy said he ordered Gipson to stop and that the suspect walked back to Belville, who then detained him. </i></blockquote>

However, the <a href="http://www.latimes.com/videogallery/64847359/News/Arrests-caught-on-camera" target="_blank">cellphone video</a> depicted a very different chain of events:

<blockquote><i>The footage did not show Gipson running, tossing a gun or walking back to the deputies to be detained. Instead, the grainy video showed deputies arriving and walking past Gipson, who was standing against a wall of the house near the rear of the yard. One of the deputies, Raul Ibarra, returned to Gipson and escorted him to the back of the yard.</i></blockquote>

This new footage led to a change in the way the officers describe the events. This inconsistency in the officer's testimony led jurors to acquit Gipson of the charges. 

<blockquote><i>Jurors said they did not find Belville's trial testimony credible and believed he changed his account of the arrest after being confronted with the video. They also questioned why a deputy with more than 10 years' experience would walk past a man who had just thrown a gun without immediately detaining him or warning colleagues. </i></blockquote>

Even as police and governments around the country are fighting the practice of the public recording the actions of the police, stories like this show the power that such recordings have in administering a fair justice system. Without this video, the trial would have been based entirely on the officer's testimony of events rather than on hard evidence.
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I will close with a few words from Gipson himself in response to these events, "I never thought an officer would lie." 
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:07:12 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Famed Appeals Court Judge Worries That Allowing People To Record Police Might Mean That People Actually Record The Police</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ While I definitely don't agree with famed 7th Circuit appeals court judge Richard Posner on everything, he's generally recognized as a smart judge with a strong libertarian belief and a recognition and understanding of real economic issues.  However, there are a few times when he seems to just reach a weird conclusion.  Case in point: in a case involving Illinois' somewhat ridiculous "eavesdropping" law, which makes you a criminal just for recording the police with a mobile phone, Judge Posner has suggested that letting people film police <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/14/judge-posner-fears-snooping-ar" target="_blank">is undesirable</a>:
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"If you permit the audio recordings, they'll be a lot more eavesdropping.&hellip;There's going to be a lot of this snooping around by reporters and bloggers," U.S. 7th Circuit Judge Richard Posner said. "Yes, it's a bad thing. There is such a thing as privacy."...
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Say what now?  We're talking about recording <i>public officials</i> who are paid with <i>taxpayer dollars</i> doing a job <i>in public</i>, and Posner is worried about their privacy rights?  Wouldn't it be a <i>good</i> thing for reporters and bloggers to be "snooping around" police if it turns up problems or corruption?  And, really, since other courts have already declared similar rules unconstitutional, and it hasn't rendered those kinds of states into this crazy dystopia that judge Posner envisions, shouldn't that be evidence that these "concerns" are out of touch with reality?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 7 Sep 2011 07:07:47 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Forget Wiretapping Laws, Now You Might Be Able To Use Copyright Law To Stop Anyone From Recording You Ever</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110901/23320615774/forget-wiretapping-laws-now-you-might-be-able-to-use-copyright-law-to-stop-anyone-recording-you-ever.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ There was a <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/31/bloomberg-swatch-lawsuit-idUSL4E7JV0EH20110831" target="_blank">recent ruling in a copyright dispute</a> between Swatch (the watchmakers) and Bloomberg that could have troubling implications concerning wiretapping issues.  Effectively, it presents a blueprint for how to use <i>copyright law</i> to block otherwise perfectly legal recordings.  At issue was that Swatch held an analysts call, as most public companies do regularly.  It's pretty standard for various financial firms to push out transcripts of such calls and to report/analyze them.  In this case, Bloomberg recorded the call and offered a transcript to its subscribers.  Pretty standard stuff.  But... here, Swatch claimed copyright on <i>the call</i>.  Why?  Because they also recorded it (via a partner company), and since that recording was "fixed," they could claim that it was covered by copyright, and then sued Bloomberg.
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This ruling was on a motion to dismiss from Bloomberg, which the judge rejected, claiming that Swatch properly established that it had a valid copyright in the recording.  It also declined to rule on the fair use claim at this point, though one hopes that, at a later stage, the fair use argument gets a stronger hearing.
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The real problem with this ruling is what it could mean when you think about the consequences.  As Paul Alan Levy notes, this appears to <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2011/09/expansive-new-copyright-ruling-lets-companies-punish-reporting-of-newsworthy-meetings.html" target="_blank">expand copyright law "far beyond its intended scope."</a>  Think about it for a minute.  It means that as long as you record yourself while doing something, you can stop anyone from (a) recording you or (b) quoting you, if they quote an amorphous "too much" of what you said in the recording.  It's not hard to see scenarios where this is problematic.
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Most obviously, at a press conference (which this Swatch call was quite like), a reporter, who pulls out his or her recorder, could be violating the copyright of whoever is holding the conference.  Furthermore, if in the process of reporting on the conference, they quote too much of what was said... well, they could face copyright infringement claims.
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But let's take it a step further.  We just reported on the Massachusetts ruling that said that recording the police was legal.  But... what if the police also recorded themselves... and then claimed copyright on that audio.  According to this ruling, it's possible that the copyright would be considered legit, and then you'd have to go to court to argue the fair use claim.
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That's clearly not what copyright law is intended for, but it's a very real implication of this ruling.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110901/23320615774/forget-wiretapping-laws-now-you-might-be-able-to-use-copyright-law-to-stop-anyone-recording-you-ever.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110901/23320615774/forget-wiretapping-laws-now-you-might-be-able-to-use-copyright-law-to-stop-anyone-recording-you-ever.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110901/23320615774/forget-wiretapping-laws-now-you-might-be-able-to-use-copyright-law-to-stop-anyone-recording-you-ever.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 12:45:38 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Philly Police Harass, Threaten To Shoot Man Legally Carrying Gun; Then Charge Him With Disorderly Conduct For Recording Them</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110518/02405714314/philly-police-harass-threaten-to-shoot-man-legally-carrying-gun-then-charge-him-with-disorderly-conduct-recording-them.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ As police are insisting that having the public record them is a <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/03330214280/police-claim-that-allowing-people-to-film-them-public-creates-chilling-effects.shtml">dangerous</a> situation that shouldn't be allowed, we get a striking example of just how important that right is at times.  <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/normative/statuses/70679153728421888" target="_blank">Julian Sanchez</a> points us to a story of a guy in Philadelphia, who had a license to carry a firearm in a city where it's legal to openly carry a firearm -- but who <a href="http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2011/05/16/philly-police-harass-threaten-shoot-man-legally-carrying-gun" target="_blank">ran into a police officer who apparently did not understand his city's own laws</a>:
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On a mild February afternoon, Fiorino, 25, decided to walk to an AutoZone on Frankford Avenue in Northeast Philly with the .40-caliber Glock he legally owns holstered in plain view on his left hip. His stroll ended when someone called out from behind: "Yo, Junior, what are you doing?"
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Fiorino wheeled and saw Sgt. Michael Dougherty aiming a handgun at him.
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What happened next would be hard to believe, except that Fiorino audio-recorded all of it: a tense, profanity-laced, 40-minute encounter with cops who told him that what he was doing - openly carrying a gun on the city's streets - was against the law.
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"Do you know you can't openly carry here in Philadelphia?" Dougherty asked, according to the YouTube clip.
<br><br>
"Yes, you can, if you have a license to carry firearms," Fiorino said. "It's Directive 137. It's your own internal directive."
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You can hear all of this <A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-vUYeJXSrA" target="_blank">via the YouTube clip</a>, embedded here:
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It gets worse and worse.  Dougherty threatens to shoot Fiorino for trying to show him his license:
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Fiorino offered to show Dougherty his driver's and firearms licenses. The cop told him to get on his knees.
<br><br>
"Excuse me?" Fiorino said.
<br><br>
"Get down on your knees. Just obey what I'm saying," Dougherty said.
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"Sir," Fiorino replied, "I'm more than happy to stand here -"
<br><Br>
"If you make a move, I'm going to f------ shoot you," Dougherty snapped. "I'm telling you right now, you make a move, and you're going down!"
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"Is this necessary?" Fiorino said.
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Other cops show up and they continue to curse at him and scream at him, while he calmly responds to their claims.  They discover that he has a recording device in his pocket, and they go even more ballistic, telling him he broke the law with that as well.  Eventually, they finally realize that he wasn't breaking the law with the gun and let him go... But once he posted the audio on YouTube, suddenly the District Attorney took renewed interest in the case, and charged him with "reckless endangerment and disorderly conduct," claiming that he refused to cooperate with police.  If you listen to the tapes, it's hard to see how anyone could make that claim with a straight face.  It seems pretty clear, from the beginning, that it's the police who were recklessly endangering someone and who were disorderly in how they dealt with Fiorino.
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No matter what your opinion is on guns or open carry rules, it's hard to see how this guy deserves the treatment he received from police who clearly did not understand the law in their own city -- and it's even more ridiculous to see him facing a (trumped up) charge, after he uploaded the audio.  It seems like a pretty clear case of vindictive prosecution, even as part of the issue is that the very thing that pissed off law enforcement is precisely what proves this guy was perfectly reasonable throughout the encounter.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110518/02405714314/philly-police-harass-threaten-to-shoot-man-legally-carrying-gun-then-charge-him-with-disorderly-conduct-recording-them.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110518/02405714314/philly-police-harass-threaten-to-shoot-man-legally-carrying-gun-then-charge-him-with-disorderly-conduct-recording-them.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110518/02405714314/philly-police-harass-threaten-to-shoot-man-legally-carrying-gun-then-charge-him-with-disorderly-conduct-recording-them.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:13:06 PST</pubDate>
<title>New Bill In Connecticut Would Make It Illegal For Police To Stop You From Recording Them</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110301/16454913318/new-bill-connecticut-would-make-it-illegal-police-to-stop-you-recording-them.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've seen numerous stories in the last year of police <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100603/0859019675.shtml">abusing</a> anti-wiretap laws to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100420/1041329109.shtml">go after</a> people who record police activities in public.  Thankfully, there are some people who realize this is wrong.  A Connecticut state senator, Martin Looney, has apparently introduced legislation that not only says that it's the right of citizens to record on-duty police officers, but (more importantly) gives citizens <a href="http://www.theagitator.com/2011/02/24/short-but-sweet/" target="_blank">a civil action against police officers if they violate that right</a>.  As Radley Balko points out at that link:
<blockquote><i>
That second part is important. A right doesn&rsquo;t mean much if there are no consequences for government officials who ignore it. <a href="http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=175767">Witness this case in Florida</a>, where an officer erroneously tries to say <em>federal</em> law prohibits citizen recordings of cops. Even in states where courts have thrown out criminal charges, a cop who doesn&rsquo;t want to be recorded can still harass, threaten, and even arrest you. You may not be charged. But he won&rsquo;t be punished, either.
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It would definitely be nice if a similar rule was taken up at the federal level.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110301/16454913318/new-bill-connecticut-would-make-it-illegal-police-to-stop-you-recording-them.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110301/16454913318/new-bill-connecticut-would-make-it-illegal-police-to-stop-you-recording-them.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110301/16454913318/new-bill-connecticut-would-make-it-illegal-police-to-stop-you-recording-them.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:36:23 PST</pubDate>
<title>Is Downloading And Converting A YouTube Video To An MP3 Infringement?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110208/01511613004/is-downloading-converting-youtube-video-to-mp3-infringement.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ There are a variety of different tools out there that let you "record" a YouTube video and turn it into an MP3, just as there are a variety of tools out there for converting Pandora streams to MP3s or converting internet radio to MP3s.  Technically it's no different than "recording" something you hear off the radio, which is generally considered legal under the Audio Home Recording Act (which had plenty of bad things in it, but also included protections for people recording at home for personal use).
<br><br>
We may get a test of whether or not that applies to the online world, with the news that former Gnutella P2P client MP3Rocket has changed strategies and ditched its P2P offering to switch to an app that simply <a href="http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2011/02/mp3-rocket-hey-riaa-boss-our-users-do-not-file-share-music-anymore-they-time-shift-it.html" target="_blank">records YouTube videos and turns them into MP3s</a>.  The company seems to be relying on the Supreme Court's Betamax ruling, by claiming that since all it's really doing is "time shifting" the ability to listen to music streamed via YouTube, it's no different than the ruling that said it was okay to record television shows via video cassettes.
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Of course, RIAA supporters and the like will quickly counter by pointing to the various lawsuits over whether or not XM's recording device was legal.  Most of those lawsuits <A href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080610/1343371364.shtml">ended</a> in <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071217/194457.shtml">settlements</a>, so I don't think there's as strong a precedent that says that turning digital streams is infringement.  However, you'd have to imagine that there's going to be one hell of a lawsuit either way.
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The reality is that this is yet another case of the law not being able to keep up with technology.  There simply is no intellectually honest rationale that says recording songs off the radio is legal, but recording songs off your computer is illegal.  It's a weak attempt by an industry that doesn't want to deal with changing technology to put in place laws that prevent what the technology allows.  Those never work.
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It certainly would be nice to see the Supreme Court note that something like this really is no different than the Betamax ruling, but given the Supreme Court's various bad copyright rulings over the last few years, I have little faith that it will do so.  Instead, it would likely just use a case like this to chip further away at the Betamax ruling, just as the Grokster decision did.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110208/01511613004/is-downloading-converting-youtube-video-to-mp3-infringement.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110208/01511613004/is-downloading-converting-youtube-video-to-mp3-infringement.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110208/01511613004/is-downloading-converting-youtube-video-to-mp3-infringement.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:02:33 PST</pubDate>
<title>Woman Arrested For Recording Attempt To Report Police Officer Who Sexually Assaulted Her</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've had a few stories about how police have been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100603/0859019675.shtml">abusing wiretap laws</a> to arrest people who video or audiotape the police, and here's a whopper of a case.  Apparently a woman named Tiawanda Moore <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/23/another-illinois-resident-char" target="_blank">has been arrested and faces 15 years in prison</a> in a case that goes to trial shortly.  Her "crime"?  Apparently, after being sexually assaulted by a Chicago police officer, she went to the Chicago Police Department's internal affairs group to report the officer.  After being pressured not to file a report, she pulled out her mobile phone and started recording what was going on.  The officers in the room saw this... and arrested her for eavesdropping.  Oh yeah, while her trial starts shortly, the officer she reported is still "being investigated."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 10:15:46 PST</pubDate>
<title>San Diego Airport Says Recording TSA Gropings Is An Arrestible Offense?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101122/16092011976/san-diego-airport-says-recording-tsa-gropings-is-arrestible-offense.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We already covered the guy who was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101122/02490011960/man-strips-down-tsa-told-he-still-needed-to-be-groped-arrested-failing-to-complete-security-process.shtml">arrested</a> after stripping down for the TSA, highlighting how one of the charges was his failure to complete the security procedure (after stripping down, he pointed out there was no need for a pat down...).  However, there was a second charge that was even more troubling that actually deserves a separate post, which is that he was also charged with <a href="http://www.examiner.com/county-political-buzz-in-san-diego/tsa-airport-screeners-gone-wild-san-diego-again" target="_blank">"illegally recording the San Diego Airport Authority."</a>  I was trying to figure out the exact rule (listed as 7.14a), and some of the folks over at <a href="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-safety-security/1150867-new-arrests-san-diego-tsa-using-gestapo-tactics-3.html" target="_blank">Flyertalk</a> have posted the full 7.14 rule (or you can see the <A href="http://www.san.org/documents/corp_serv/Codes/Article%207/Code%207.14%20Filming.pdf" target="_blank">full San Diego Airport Authority rules</a> (pdf) if you'd like):
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(a) No person shall take still, motion or sound motion pictures or voice recordings on the facilities and airports under the jurisdiction of the San Diego County Regional Airport Authority (the "Authority") without written permission from the Authority's Executive Director or his or her designee.
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(b) Filming of X-ray equipment located on the facilities and airports under the jurisdiction of the Authority is strictly prohibited. Any person(s) caught filming such X-ray equipment may have their film confiscated.
</i></blockquote>
I'm having trouble seeing how this rule can possibly be legal -- especially with all the stories today of TSA agents abusing (or simply not understanding) the new rules.  Recording the interactions with the TSA seems like an essential step in making sure that personal liberties are respected. Making that illegal raises all sorts of questions.  And while this is specific to San Diego Airport, it makes me wonder if there are similar restrictions elsewhere.
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Just a few months ago, we pointed out how law enforcement and the courts were <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100603/0859019675.shtml">abusing wiretap laws</a> to find people guilty of wiretapping for recording law enforcement in public places. Thankfully, some courts have <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100927/16352111185/judge-tosses-out-wiretapping-charges-against-motorcyclist-who-filmed-cop-with-helmet-cam.shtml">pushed back</a> on such cases, and it seems like this is a situation where declaring an outright ban on videotaping within the airport is a restriction that doesn't make any sense at all.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101122/16092011976/san-diego-airport-says-recording-tsa-gropings-is-arrestible-offense.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101122/16092011976/san-diego-airport-says-recording-tsa-gropings-is-arrestible-offense.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101122/16092011976/san-diego-airport-says-recording-tsa-gropings-is-arrestible-offense.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:46:26 PST</pubDate>
<title>Should Illegally Recorded Video Be Admissible In Xbox Modding Case?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101108/15312411767/should-illegally-recorded-video-be-admissible-in-xbox-modding-case.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=picklemonger">Pickle Monger</a> points us to the latest bit of info to come out of the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101022/04205511542/jailbreaking-your-iphone-legal-jailbreaking-your-xbox-3-years-in-jail.shtml">upcoming</a> trial of a guy accused of violating the DMCA by modding Xboxes.  Apparently, the defense is arguing that <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/11/xbox-trial-dustup/" target="_blank">videos taken by an investigator for the ESA should not be used</a>, because they violated California privacy laws (though, not necessarily wiretapping laws, since there was apparently no audio).  The government is apparently saying it doesn't matter -- and even if the video was recorded illegally, it's still admissible.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101108/15312411767/should-illegally-recorded-video-be-admissible-in-xbox-modding-case.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101108/15312411767/should-illegally-recorded-video-be-admissible-in-xbox-modding-case.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101108/15312411767/should-illegally-recorded-video-be-admissible-in-xbox-modding-case.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 19 Aug 2010 17:44:25 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Court Says It's Okay To Secretly Record Conversation If Done For Legitimate Reasons</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100818/17141010676.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ While there have been a lot of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100603/0859019675.shtml">concerns</a> lately about efforts to misuse "wiretapping" laws that forbid any recordings of people without their knowledge, it appears at least a few courts are recognizing how silly that is.  Yet another court has now said that <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/08/covert-iphone-audio-recording/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A wired27b %28Blog - 27B Stroke 6 %28Threat Level%29%29" target="_blank">secretly recording a conversation -- in this case with an iPhone -- is okay</a>, assuming there was no crime committed with the recording, and the recording was for a legitimate purpose.  As the court noted:
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"The defendant must have the intent to use the illicit recording to commit a tort of crime beyond the act of recording itself."
</i></blockquote>
That makes sense.  The act of recording alone, shouldn't be a criminal act, as it really depends on what is being done with the recording.  And, in an age where not only is recording everything easier, but for some becoming <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100613/2301119799.shtml">standard</a>, requiring permission to record all audio seems like an outdated concept.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100818/17141010676.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100818/17141010676.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100818/17141010676.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2010 17:42:55 PDT</pubDate>
<title>When Recording Everything We See Is Standard, What Happens To Copyright?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100613/2301119799.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've discussed in the past how technology can advance much faster than the law can handle.  For example, we've recently had a few posts about the motorcyclist who was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100420/1041329109.shtml">arrested</a> for violating Maryland state wiretapping laws, after his helmet cam captured an off-duty cop jump out of his car with a gun drawn to stop the cyclist.  That certainly raised some questions about an age when people more regularly film things going on around them.  But, it goes way beyond that as well.  Over the years, we've written about various experiments in building tools to let people <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20030620/0233239.shtml">record absolutely <i>everything</i> you see</a>.  Some might find this excessive, but there are some interesting applications -- including helping people with <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080313/022514531.shtml">their memory</a>.
<br /><br />
However, if such things become more common, laws are going to have to adjust -- and copyright law is no exception.  David Levine points us to a story about a guy who lost his eye in a hunting accident, and has <a href="http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/biomedical/bionics/061110-eyeborg-bionic-eye" target="_blank">replaced it with a prosthetic eye that doubles as a video camera</a>, which can also broadcast what he's seeing.  Levine, in mentioning this, queries <a href="http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000003062&#038;utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter" target="_blank">what happens when he goes to the movies</a>?  Or, what if he goes to a sporting event with an exclusive broadcast right?  We recently wondered how long it would be until some enterprising team of folks all attends a sporting event with smartphones and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100606/2303269701.shtml">broadcasts</a> an "alternative" stream of the game.
<br /><br />
Now, I'm sure defenders of the current copyright system will immediately dismiss these examples as being either one-off cases or situations where copyright law should apply and these people should definitely get in trouble or be stopped.  But it's really going to become overwhelming.  As these tools get better and more useful and actually provide additional utility, along the lines of aiding memory or being able to do data lookups, it's going to seem sillier and sillier for people to turn them off just to make some copyright holder happy.  It could actually be a key point in making some reconsider the state of copyright law today.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100613/2301119799.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100613/2301119799.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100613/2301119799.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Aug 2009 07:11:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Copyright Conundrum: Was 'Public Domain' Music Silenced On YouTube?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Mark Guertin writes in with an interesting situation that he's dealing with, which I think highlights some of the problems with copyright law today.  Guertin put together a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdCrEkVesCE" target="_new">YouTube video of some swimming pugs</a> as part of a promotion for a <a href="http://www.pugalug.com/" target="_new">charity</a> he's involved with.  Knowing that music on videos is a potential copyright issue, he went to Wikipedia to find some public domain music, and chose Wagner's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wagner_-_Ride_of_the_Valkyries.ogg" target="_new"><i>Ride of the Valkyries</i></a> to accompany the swimming pugs.
<br><br>
Except... he got blocked.  YouTube's content ID system told him that the song was owned by (who else?) Warner Music Group, and thus the soundtrack was muted.  Guertin filed a counternotice, and the music was reinstated, but then muted a second time as apparently someone (Google/Warner?) didn't agree with the counternotice.  Without knowing the details, my <i>guess</i> is that the situation has to do with the different types of copyright coverage.  While the song <i>Ride of the Valkyries</i> is public domain, each individual <i>recording</i> of it is covered by copyright.  It seems likely that whatever recording was used is still under copyright.
<br><br>
Guertin is reasonably upset about the situation, especially the whole concept of having the music blocked until WMG has a chance to weigh in on it, noting that "guilt before innocence" seems incredibly unfair.
<br><br>
But the bigger issue may be how this (once again) shows how out of sync copyright law is with what people think is reasonable or fair.  If you found out a piece of music was in the public domain, it's natural to assume that a recording of that same piece of music is in the public domain.  And to make things more confusing, that's absolutely true (in the US at least) of a photograph of a public domain painting.  But making a new recording of a public domain song?  Bam.  A new monopoly created.
<br><br>
Unfortunately for Guertin, the <i>track</i> he used probably is <i>not</i> in the public domain, even if the <i>music</i> is (yes, that's confusing).  That's why, these days, it's probably more reasonable to search out Creative Commons-licensed music than public domain music -- because you can't be as sure whether the PD part covers the recording as well as the music.  To some of us, that seems like a <i>problem</i> with current copyright laws, while others appear to view it as a feature.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090804/1119255768.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090804/1119255768.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090804/1119255768.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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