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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Mar 2013 12:12:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>National Post Wants $150 To Quote Articles (Even The Parts It Quoted From Other Articles)</title>
<dc:creator>Leigh Beadon</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <em><strong>Update:</strong> Since this morning, National Post seems to have disabled this feature. Whether the change is permanent or not I can't say.</em>
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Despite three years of journalism school and several more working at newspapers, I'll never understand the double standard that journalists and publishers have when it comes to copyright and fair use/fair dealing. The act of reporting relies heavily on the latter, and the news business would be a very different place if newspapers were expected to pay licensing fees on the quotes they gather from experts, reports and other sources. Thus, newspapers have traditionally been staunch defenders of fair use&mdash;that is, until they find themselves on the other side of the equation.
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Through Michael Geist we learn that Canada's National Post <em>(disclosure: I used to work for the paper as a freelancer)</em> is trying out a highly disruptive new "feature" that <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6802/125/" target="_blank">attempts to scare people out of quoting the articles without paying up</a>:
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<blockquote><em>If you try to highlight the text to cut and paste it, you are presented with a pop-up request to purchase a licence if you plan to post the article to a website, intranet or a blog. The fee would be $150. ... If you click no to the pop-up, you cannot copy the text. If you click "quit asking me", the request stops.</em></blockquote>
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I've seen newspapers with "license calculators" for quotes before, and of course we've all seen websites that frustratingly interfere with your copy-and-pase or right-click abilities&mdash;but this is the first time I've seen the two combined. The system is driven by iCopyright, a plugin that promises to make it "super easy" for people to license your content, but I guess not so easy that people won't hopefully feel compelled to pay.
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This isn't just a dumb idea&mdash;it's a really hypocritical game for a newspaper to be playing. Geist underlined the irony by pointing to the regular Post feature <a href="http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/author/cselley/">Full Pundit</a>, in which writer Chris Selley does a roundup of editorial and opinion columns from the week in Canadian media. Naturally, this involves lots of quotes and snippets from these other media sources, which Selley then expands on or disagrees with or otherwise comments upon&mdash;all unlicensed quotes, the use of which is <em>clearly</em> protected under Canada's fair dealing laws for commentary and criticism (and would be equally protected in the US under fair use laws). But if you try grabbing a snippet from Full Pundit, you'll be asked to pay a license. Worse still, if you try to grab <em>one of the quotes from another newspaper</em> on the National Post site, you'll still get the same popup telling you to look into licensing options... for a quote they don't own and are themselves using for free on the basis of fair dealing.
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The popup does not mention fair dealing or fair use. It takes some digging to find iCopyright's <a href="https://license.icopyright.net/rights/fairUseStatement.act?sid=36&tag=7.11150">fair use statement</a>, which is a masterpiece of menacing disingenuousness. As we've noted in the past, the fact that the boundaries of fair use and fair dealing are often unclear creates a massive chilling effect, since people are unsure about their rights and not always willing or able to fight for them, and iCopyright relies on that very effect to scare people into paying up:
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<blockquote><em>The use of excerpts from others' works without a license is permitted in certain limited circumstances under the "fair use" doctrine of U.S. Copyright Law and the "fair dealing" doctrine in Commonwealth nations. However, republication on the internet, without a license, of even a small portion of a work can constitute copyright infringement.
<br /><br />
The distinction between "fair use" or "fair dealing" and infringement is not easily defined because each re-use has unique characteristics that must be analyzed. For example, <strong>there is no specific number of words or lines that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission</strong>. For additional information you may want to do an internet search of "fair use checklist" and "copyright myths."</em></blockquote>
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Got that? "It's pretty hard to know if something's fair use, so you probably shouldn't bother." The page then offers a list of factors that often come up in fair use analyses, and suggests that if any of them apply to your use, it is "cause for serious reflection" on whether or not you are protected:
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<blockquote><em><ul>
<li>Is the excerpt such that the reader may feel he/she already has the gist of the original work and no longer needs to read it?</li>
<li>Is it your intent to earn money, whether through ads, subscription revenues, or otherwise?</li>
<li>Is the work that was excerpted highly creative?</li>
<li>Are you choosing not to exercise an affordable and accessible licensing mechanism?</li>
<li>Are you publishing the excerpt widely, such as on the Web?</li>
<li>Is the work of excerpted authors the main draw to your work as opposed to serving as a "footnote"?</li>
</ul></em></blockquote>
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Now, it's true that all of those <em>are</em> factors that can matter, but it's also true that you could answer 'yes' to virtually all of them and still be within the bounds of fair use/fair dealing. This is easily demonstrated by looking at the snippets within the National Post Full Pundit columns, which are a definitive "yes" on all but the first item. The issue of quote length is doubly amusing, since the Post recently <a href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6573/135/">lost</a> a lawsuit it brought against an internet forum, because the Supreme Court declared that posting large snippets (multiple paragraphs) of articles can still be fair dealing, and that the established fair dealing exceptions for "news reporting" can include things like online forum discussions.
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And that's where we see the double standard emerge. For a long time, newspapers really <em>were</em> the only source for news reporting, and thus over the years they got some special considerations in the laws and in the courts. Today everyone is a reporter, a photographer and a publisher, and these non-ink-stained wretches are quite rightly utilizing the same rights that "official" news sources have, for the same purposes. Newspapers like the National Post seem to have a hard time getting their head around that, so they launch lawsuits against forums and stick pointless bullying popups on their websites. It strikes me as a matter of arrogance more than anything else.
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And, of course, it has to be asked: what is this going to accomplish? It's certainly not going to become a massive revenue stream for the paper, with bloggers (who are becoming well-versed in fair use and fair dealing themselves) forking over $150 every time they want to quote the National Post. There is another possibility, which is that it's a legal tactic: in future lawsuits, the Post could point to this popup tool as an "available and affordable license" that someone chose to forego, giving them a slight leg up in an anti-fair-dealing argument.
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Either way, it's a hypocritical and even somewhat despicable move. The National Post is fighting against an important legal protection that is vital to newspapers themselves and to free speech as a whole. Here's hoping that the writers featured in Full Pundit columns, and anyone else quoted in the Post, calls up the newsroom and demands a $150 licensing fee.
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<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:35:03 PST</pubDate>
<title>UK Newspaper Licencing Agency Says Musicians Need To Pay To Quote Reviews</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I wonder how copyright maximalist musicians feel about this particular story.  Techdirt reader <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/user/glassneedles">glassneedles</a> alerts us to an offline (!?!) news article in the publication Private Eye, about how the UK's Newspaper Licensing Agency (NLA) has declared that musicians who quote positive reviews from newspapers <i>need to pay &pound;1,250 per year</i> (which would allow them to quote up to 50 reviews).  Seriously.  Apparently, the NLA went around to various music agents and managers a while ago, and they (quite reasonably) ignored the threats.  That just made the NLA mad.
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... the phoney war has turned into a real one, with the NLA chasing agents, threatening legal action and demanding not just license payments for future quotes but also retrospective payments for past ones.
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The amounts are crazily excessive for the modest, shoestring operations that most classical music management and PR companies tend to be, with &pound;7,000-&pound;8,000 a typical demand.
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For folks who help market a number of musicians, the NLA claims are apparently adding up to being fairly serious.
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The most outrageous example... concerns a small PR company called ElevenTenths, which is effectively one woman, Claire Willis, working form a spare bedroom....  Poor Ms. Willis was collared by the NLA a few months ago, required to fill in forms about her clients and activities, and then received a bill for &pound;23,500.
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Willis complained and apparently the NLA "backed down" and offered a deal for "only" &pound;1,588.45.  In the past, we had written about the NLA <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120214/11372917759/meltwater-partially-wins-one-lawsuit-gets-sued-ap-another-daring-to-aggregate-news.shtml">winning</a> a lawsuit against news aggregators, so perhaps it's now turned to those who quote its reviews as a new, highly questionable, revenue stream.
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I wonder if folks in the UK are regretting the decision, in the Hargreaves report, that the UK doesn't need an explicit fair use rule.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121109/13405920994/uk-newspaper-licencing-agency-says-musicians-need-to-pay-to-quote-reviews.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121109/13405920994/uk-newspaper-licencing-agency-says-musicians-need-to-pay-to-quote-reviews.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121109/13405920994/uk-newspaper-licencing-agency-says-musicians-need-to-pay-to-quote-reviews.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2012 09:41:14 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Faulkner Estate Sues Sony Pictures Because Owen Wilson Quoted Nine Words (Incorrectly)</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Wow.  We've heard about all sorts of crazy copyright lawsuits, but every so often you get one that just makes you sit back and wonder at the amazing chutzpah it must have taken for a lawyer to actually go forward and file a case.  This is one of those times.  The estate of William Faulkner, Faulkner Literary Rights LLC, has <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/sony-sued-william-faulkner-quote-383228" target="_blank">sued Sony Pictures Classics and a bunch of movie distributors</a> over the Woody Allen movie <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1605783/" target="_blank"><i>Midnight in Paris</i></a>.
<br /><br />
At one point in the movie the lead character, played by Owen Wilson, misquotes a nine-word William Faulkner quote.  Quoting directly from the lawsuit:
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In describing his experiences, Pender speaks the following lines (the "Infringing Quote"): "The past is not dead! Actually, it's not even past. You know who said that? Faulkner. And he was right. And I met him, too. I ran into him at a dinner party."
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The Infringing Quote is taken from a passage in the William Faulkner book "Requiem for a Nun" ("the Book"), where it reads: "The past is never dead. It's not even past." ("the Original Quote").
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The lawsuit points out that the book first was registered with the copyright office in 1951 and it was renewed in 1979.  I don't think anyone doubts that the copyright on the book is legit -- but, seriously?  He quoted <i>nine words</i> (really eight if you drop one for the error in the quote).  This has to qualify as either de minimis use or fair use, at the very least.  And, seriously, what kind of harm does the Faulkner estate really think happened here?  The filing misstates the nature of copyright law, arguing that it has the exclusive right to reproduce or distribute the quote -- completely ignoring fair use or de minimis use as possibilities that push back on that "exclusive right."
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Beyond that, they try an even more ridiculous argument, dropping into the Lanham Act (trademark law) claiming (ridiculously):
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The use of the Infringing Quote and of William Faulkner's name in the Infringing Film is likely to cause confusion, to cause mistake, and/or to deceive the Infringing Film's viewers as to perceived affiliation, connection or association between William Faulkner and his works, on the one hand, and Sony, on the other hand.
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The use of the Infringing Quote and of William Faulkner's name in the Infringing Film is likely to cause confusion, to cause mistake, and/or to deceive the Infringing Film's viewers as to the origin, sponsorship or approval of Sony's goods, services, or commercial activity by William Faulkner and/or his written works.
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To which we can only think to ask... <i>who, exactly, could possibly be confused by this</i>?  Seriously.  Faulkner died in 1962.  I don't think anyone thinks he's officially affiliated with the movie.  Hell, even if he was <i>alive</i>, we're talking about <b>eight words</b> <i>misquoted</i>.
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Oh, and did we mention that the Faulkner estate claims that Sony's actions here were <b>malicious, fraudulent, deliberate and/or willful</b>.  Or, you know, perhaps it just knows that quoting 8 words from William Faulkner doesn't infringe a damn thing.  Later, they argue that the use of Faulkner's name was "grossly negligent."  Because, you know, mentioning actual human beings without their permission is against the law... other than the fact that it's not.
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Even the awesome folks over at Courthouse News, who tend to be a "just the facts" kind of organization <a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/10/26/51682.htm" target="_blank">couldn't resist adding some commentary</a> on this particular case:
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Although Courthouse News customarily refrains from commenting upon litigation in the story in which the lawsuit is reported, and at risk of offending the shade, or estate, of Charles Dickens: This is a far, far weirder thing than Sony has ever done.
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As we've described in the past, the insurance companies that back movie productions are notoriously risk averse on IP things, and they have lawyers trained in this kind of thing <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090731/0319025726.shtml">go through</a> movies bit by bit to make sure <i>every</i> possible bit of copyright or trademark issue has clearance or they won't approve errors and omissions insurance (E&#038;O).  They take this process pretty seriously (quite often <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100111/2220247711.shtml">too seriously</a>).  If this bit got through that process unscathed, it seems likely that Sony (and its insurers) are quite confident that this sort of thing is completely legit.
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Hopefully Sony Pictures doesn't wimp out and pay the Faulkner Literary Rights folks to go away.  This is a case worth fighting, and you'd have to hope that Sony recognizes that it's quite likely to succeed in court.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121026/02573020853/faulkner-estate-sues-sony-pictures-because-owen-wilson-quoted-nine-words-incorrectly.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121026/02573020853/faulkner-estate-sues-sony-pictures-because-owen-wilson-quoted-nine-words-incorrectly.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121026/02573020853/faulkner-estate-sues-sony-pictures-because-owen-wilson-quoted-nine-words-incorrectly.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2011 18:34:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Author Can't Quote A Single Line Of A Song In His Book Without Paying Up</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110606/23585314579/author-cant-quote-single-line-song-his-book-without-paying-up.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've pointed out in the past just how ridiculous it is that publishers are incredibly risk averse when it comes to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090726/1601375666.shtml">quoting <i>anything</i> in a book</a> without permission.  Even though brief quotes should undoubtedly be fair use, most publishers won't allow even single sentence quotes without permission just to avoid the risk of getting sued.
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Author <a href="http://fletchathustra.wordpress.com/">Fletcher Wortmann</a> alerts us to the ridiculous situation he faced with a memoir he has that's coming out next year, where the publisher freaked out about <a href="http://fletchathustra.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/copyright-is-often-dumb/" target="_blank">the inclusion of two song lyrics</a> as intros to various chapters:
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But thankfully my editors requested only two changes that I objected to, both involving song lyrics I&rsquo;d used as introductions to two of the chapters.  Apparently, although neither of these was more than a line (and neither was more than 10% of the work, so my borrowing should have been permitted under fair use), I could not quote without risking a lawsuit.  Apparently I could offer to pay the rightsholders in advance (anywhere from a hundred to a thousand dollars), but this was not recommended, because it would invite further legal scrutiny of the work which we were already slipping though the gates under the cover of darkness.  If I refused to pay I would be sued, and if I agreed to pay I would be sued by someone else.
<br /><br />
This is stupid.  This is stupid in a staggering number of ways that I will now elaborate for you.
<br /><br />
First, this is all in spite of the fact that, in the glorious age of the internet, I can find the not only the complete unauthorized lyrics to both of these songs but also pirated music concert videos, mp3s, and Youtube music vids with spliced-together footage of Troy and Abed from Community exchanging sexy glances.  If people want your song, there isn&rsquo;t a thing you or I can do to prevent them from taking it and doing what they like with it.  Denying an author access to lyrics does nothing to change this.
<br /><br />
And aside from its fundamental uselessness, this legal barricade me as an absurd perversion of the intent of copyright.  It&rsquo;s generally accepted that the purpose of copyright is to prevent bootlegs from being produced, so that no one buys an illegal copy instead of the original and cheats the artist out of a buck.  That&rsquo;s an admirable and just notion.  But in what insane parallel universe is someone going to skip buying a song because I quote part of the chorus?  Who is going to read a memoir, glance over a dozen words, and decide they&rsquo;ve somehow illicitly derived the essence of a rock song they no longer need to purchase?  Does my quoting lyrics in some way decrease the value of the music?
<br /><br />
Fer chrissakes, if anything, I&rsquo;m recommending your song.  I&rsquo;m telling my reader that I loved this music, that it meant so much to me that I used it to encapsulate a chapter of my life.  If it was Diet Coke or something instead of music, you&rsquo;d pay me to mention your product.
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One very minor point: there is no "10% rule" as many people seem to assume when it comes to copyright and fair use.  I agree that this almost certainly was fair use, but for many reasons having nothing to do with 10% usage.  For example, the key point that Fletcher makes later: that the impact on the market for the work is unlikely to be harmed here is a key pillar in showing fair use.
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Either way, this is yet another example of copyright law being used to stifle a form of creativity and speech rather than encourage it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110606/23585314579/author-cant-quote-single-line-song-his-book-without-paying-up.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110606/23585314579/author-cant-quote-single-line-song-his-book-without-paying-up.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110606/23585314579/author-cant-quote-single-line-song-his-book-without-paying-up.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:07:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>If You Say Something In Public, You Can Be Quoted And If You Say Something On Twitter, That's Public</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It seems that plenty of people are still having trouble understanding that most things posted to Twitter are <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110209/04361813025/uk-commission-explains-that-public-tweets-are-public.shtml">posted in public</a>.  Apparently a local newspaper in Michigan ran into some angry community members when a writer for the paper <a href="http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2011/02/column_twitter_debate_about_jo.html" target="_blank">dared to quote some Twitter comments</a> without first contacting the people in question for permission.  The newspaper stands by its usage of the comments, noting that they're fair game, and Caroline McCarthy over at News.com (where I found the original story) <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13577_3-20036601-36.html?part=rss&#038;subj=news&#038;tag=2547-1_3-0-20" target="_blank">makes the point succinctly</a>:
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But here's somewhere to start: If something is public, it's quotable. If you don't want to be quoted, don't say it on the Internet. If you have a public Twitter account and say something, then, yes, it's public. Should Twitter users expect to be contacted and asked for permission to have their tweets reprinted? Don't count on it.
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Still, as noted, it is interesting to see how people seem to <i>perceive</i> something like Twitter as being more private.  I'm guessing that may change over time, but it does suggest the sort of level of intimacy that Twitter creates among many people who use it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110225/15105813263/if-you-say-something-public-you-can-be-quoted-if-you-say-something-twitter-thats-public.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110225/15105813263/if-you-say-something-public-you-can-be-quoted-if-you-say-something-twitter-thats-public.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110225/15105813263/if-you-say-something-public-you-can-be-quoted-if-you-say-something-twitter-thats-public.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>iCopyright Sues AP... Saying It Didn't Promote The 'Pay Up To Quote 5 Words' Service</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ You may recall, a couple of years back, the Associated Press got a ton of negative attention for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080616/0635571413.shtml">threatening bloggers</a> who "quote too much" of AP articles.  Soon after that, we were among those who noticed that the AP had a deal with a company called iCopyright, which seemed to suggest that "fair use" quotes were limited to four words or less.  After that, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080617/0740561432.shtml">rates started at $12.50 to quote five words</a>.  The AP later came out and said that this was <a href="http://www.ap.org/pages/about/pressreleases/pr_080309a.html" target="_blank">entirely different</a>, but to this date has never adequately explained when its deal with iCopyright applies and when it does not.  This got some attention earlier this year, when the cheeky folks at Woot <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100706/01260510077.shtml">mocked the AP</a> over this after the AP quoted Woot's CEO from his blog.  Separately, some others noticed that the iCopyright system on the AP's site was so screwed up that you could just <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090803/0344305756.shtml">put in any text you wanted</a> and "license" it -- even if it wasn't the AP's to license.
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Basically, the whole iCopyright setup with the AP was a mess.  And it just got messier.
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The details are still limited (due to excessive redacting in the legal filing), but <a href="http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3ibde532c77149bc31b917c993eb5fc272" target="_blank">iCopyright has now sued the Associated Press</a>, apparently claiming "that the AP frustrated its ability to do business, both neglecting to promote the service, as well as locking the company out of its servers."  It's also claiming that the AP's silly attempt to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090723/1858235640.shtml">DRM the news</a> is an attempt to <a href="http://paidcontent.org/article/419-the-messy-falling-out-between-the-ap-and-icopyright/" target="_blank">compete with iCopyright</a> using what it learned from the company.
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I do wonder if the PR fiasco from a couple years ago contributed to this.  The AP never really clarified when the "pay for 5 words" license applied and when it didn't.  While the AP put out a notice claiming that it didn't actually apply to bloggers, it was never clear why.  And, confusion still reigned.  In the article I link to above, in fact, the reporter notes that the iCopyright licenses were for bloggers -- even though the AP has explicitly claimed that it wasn't for bloggers.  As Danny Sullivan pointed out in <a href="http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/ap_woot_charge.php" target="_blank">the first comment to this story</a>, the AP has never done a good job explaining just when iCopyright applied.... and now the AP may be facing a lawsuit over that very point.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101206/00125012141/icopyright-sues-ap-saying-it-didnt-promote-pay-up-to-quote-5-words-service.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101206/00125012141/icopyright-sues-ap-saying-it-didnt-promote-pay-up-to-quote-5-words-service.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101206/00125012141/icopyright-sues-ap-saying-it-didnt-promote-pay-up-to-quote-5-words-service.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Putting Jefferson's Quote On Newspapers Into Context</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Earlier this year, we took on why journalists who were quoting Thomas Jefferson's famous line: "were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate to prefer the latter" were <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090128/0213453555.shtml">missing the point</a>, noting that he really meant <i>journalism</i> not newspapers -- and journalism isn't going away at all.  However, Jay Rosen points out that the <a href="http://jayrosen.tumblr.com/post/99295974/that-jefferson-quote-newspaper-journalists-always-use" target="_new">quote is actually out of context</a>.  The full Jefferson quote even more clearly makes the point that it's not physical <i>newspapers</i>, he's concerned about: 
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"The basis of our governments being the opinion of the people, the very first object should be to keep that right; and were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter. But I should mean that every man should receive those papers and be capable of reading them." -- Thomas Jefferson
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From that quote, it seems likely that Jefferson would be quite a fan of the web <i>and</i> the fact that news on the web was free and widely available -- contrary to the point made by most old school news folks quoting it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090423/1235554624.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090423/1235554624.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090423/1235554624.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Disney Used Anonymous Online Quotes In Ads</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ You've all seen movie advertisements that include snippets of glowing quotes from critics.  "Marvelous!"  "Best Movie of the Year!" etc.  There's been some controversy about these quotes in the past.  There was an <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20030120/107246.shtml">investigation</a> into studios taking movie critic quotes completely out of context, and even a lawsuit against Sony Pictures for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050804/1411238.shtml">making up a critic and his quotes</a> for movie ads.  It appears that Disney has now been caught trying out a new tactic: <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3129150/Disney-attacked-for-promoting-The-Boy-In-The-Striped-Pyjamas-with-blog-quotes.html" target="_new">using quotes from anonymous internet commenters on IMDB</a>.  These "commenters" could be, for example, Disney employees, but go under usernames like "Theedge-4" and "Mjavfc1."  Apparently, that's good enough for Disney to quote them in their ads.  While there's something to be said for tapping into a wider group of folks than just the big name "professional" movie critics and reviewers, this one seems pretty questionable and open to abuse -- especially given the industry's documented history of made up reviews.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081006/0106302463.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081006/0106302463.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081006/0106302463.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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