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<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2012 12:26:07 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Hollywood Made Him Do It: Two More Theories On The Aurora Shooter</title>
<dc:creator>Tim Cushing</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ As is the case with any inexplicable tragedy, a million pundits and armchair psychoanalysts have emerged to "explain" what would turn a person into someone who would enter a darkened theater and methodically open fire on a crowd. Tim Geigner <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120723/05472819794/press-speculates-batman-shooter-must-have-played-video-games-theyre-right-he-loved-guitar-hero.shtml" target="_blank">ran down</a> a few of these earlier, and so far the blame lies at the <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/20/half-assed-media-speculation-about-the-b" target="_blank">combined feet</a> of opponents of bullying, opponents of Judeo-Christian lifestyles, Star Trek, video games, Occupy Wall Street, and the easy availability of weapons and ammo.<br />
<br />
Two editorials have been added to the mix, pointing the finger at violent movies in general, and even more peculiarly, at Warner Brothers Studios itself. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/26/movies/warner-brothers-and-its-decades-of-violent-films.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=2" target="_blank">Michael Cieply's editorial for the New York Times</a> never comes out and states explicitly that Warner Brothers is responsible for the Aurora shooter's actions, but its opening anecdote seems to think that such a connection <i>should</i> be made.
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<i>For decades Warner&rsquo;s films have frequently put the studio in the middle of a perpetual and unresolved debate over violence in the cinema and in real life. That debate has been revived after the deadly shootings last Friday in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater at an opening night showing of &ldquo;The Dark Knight Rises,&rdquo; from Warner.</i><br />
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<i>While the box-office success of &ldquo;Dark Knight&rdquo; seems assured &mdash; the opening weekend produced $160 million in North American sales &mdash; Warner executives have decided to delay the planned Sept. 7 release of another film, &ldquo;Gangster Squad,&rdquo; according to a person who was briefed on the studio&rsquo;s plans on Tuesday and spoke anonymously because the change has not been officially announced. The film is a hard-edged cinematic portrayal of the police war on mobsters in mid-20th-century Los Angeles.</i><br />
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<i>Trailers for the movie, which showed gunmen firing into a movie theater, were pulled after the shooting last week. Executives have further debated whether to go so far as to reshoot portions of &ldquo;Gangster Squad,&rdquo; according to published reports. Warner executives declined through a spokeswoman to discuss their plan or the studio&rsquo;s posture in general toward screen violence.</i><br />
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<i>To go forward with &ldquo;Gangster Squad&rdquo; as is might trigger revulsion at scenes that seem to recall the movie-theater slaughter in Colorado. But to change it substantially or delay it for long (no new date has been set) might seem to acknowledge an otherwise debatable link between movie violence and real events, breathing life into a discussion that is perhaps more familiar at Warner than at any of Hollywood&rsquo;s major studios.</i></blockquote>
It's quite a stretch to contend that an unreleased movie somehow "acknowledges" the "link" between movie violence and actual violence. Unless James Holmes was part of the "Gangster Squad" crew, this is simply unfortunate timing, much like the terrorism scenes that caused <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_entertainment_affected_by_the_September_11_attacks#Delayed_movies" target="_blank">several films to be delayed</a> following the 9/11 attacks.<br />
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Branching out from this dubious start, Cieply retells the story of Warner Brothers' fascination with violent movies, stopping to discuss copycat rapists/killers "inspired" by "A Clockwork Orange," "Natural Born Killers" spawning imitation acts of violence and a few others before winding up at "The Matrix," tenuously tied to defendants trying to cop an insanity plea by claiming they were trying to "escape from the matrix."<br />
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A few "copycat killers" may emerge for the Aurora shooting or from the movies themselves, an unpreventable byproduct of evil people with limited imagination. In many cases, the copycat aspect is simply a convenient scapegoat for the killers to use themselves: "The devil made me do it."<br />
<br />
After this history lesson, Cieply just lets himself out the back door without drawing any real conclusion:
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<i>Three decades earlier, however, a Newsweek writer, in a review that derided the &ldquo;lethal ugliness&rdquo; of &ldquo;Dirty Harry,&rdquo; also registered the futility of worrying about the bad effects of a movie. Good-hearted pictures, the magazine reasoned, rarely seemed to do much good. &ldquo;There is little chance that this right-wing fantasy will change things where decades of humanist films have failed,&rdquo; the review said.</i></blockquote>
True enough. If positive, non-violent films aren't resulting in copycat altruism, it's just as likely that even the most dark-hearted film won't have much of an impact.<br />
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Peter Bogdanovich, director of "The Last Picture Show" and "Paper Moon," <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dark-knight-rises-shooting-peter-bogdanovich-353774" target="_blank">has an op-ed of sorts as well over at The Hollywood Reporter</a> laying the blame for the Aurora shooting at the feet of violent films. Bogdanovich probably has a more relevant take on the shootings considering his film, "Targets," ends with a sniper attack at a drive-in, as well as having lived through a very violent experience when Dorothy Stratten was killed by her estranged husband.<br />
<br />
Unfortunately, this piece (credited with "As told to Gregg Kilday) isn't it. He sounds completely dismayed and genuinely angered by the shooting, but emotional reactions rarely make for the best logical arguments.
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<i>Violence on the screen has increased tenfold. It's almost pornographic. In fact, it is pornographic. Video games are violent, too. It's all out of control. I can see where it would drive somebody crazy.</i><br />
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<i>I'm in the minority, but I don't like comic book movies. They're not my cup of tea. What happened to pictures like How Green Was My Valley or even From Here to Eternity? They're not making those kind of movies anymore. They are either making tentpole pictures based on comic books or specialty pictures that you pray someone will go see.</i><br />
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<i>The fact that these tentpole movies are all violent comic book movies doesn't speak well for our society.</i><br />
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<i>Today, there' a general numbing of the audience. There's too much murder and killing. You make people insensitive by showing it all the time. The body count in pictures is huge. It numbs the audience into thinking it's not so terrible. Back in the '70s, I asked Orson Welles what he thought was happening to pictures, and he said, "We're brutalizing the audience. We're going to end up like the Roman circus, live at the Coliseum." The respect for human life seems to be eroding.</i></blockquote>
Orson Welles make a good, if inadvertent point: compared to the actual violence that was used for entertainment in the past, today's movie violence is a very pale imitation. And the level of violence in major motion pictures is nothing compared to the violence displayed in theaters elsewhere in the world. If movie violence were truly driving people to this sort of behavior, one would expect Japan and Korea to be epicenters of mass killing. What Cieply lists (and Bogdanovich echoes) is truly kids' stuff compared to the imagery conjured up by <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2003/jun/02/artsfeatures.dvdreviews2" target="_blank">Takashi Miike</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Chan-wook" target="_blank">Park Chan-Wook</a>.<br />
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The problem with all of these theories is that the variables are common to the entirety of the US population. If these are all creating killers, we should be suffering from an epidemic of violence rather than dealing with isolated tragedies. And the issue with violent movies is nothing new either. Concern about the level of violence and portrayal of villains and anti-heroes goes all the way to the Hays Code. Read this stipulation from the Code and see if you don't find that echoed by the implicit statements in Cieply's and Bodanovich's editorials:
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<i>Theft, robbery, safe-cracking, and dynamiting of trains, mines, buildings, etc. (<b>having in mind the effect which a too-detailed description of these may have upon the moron</b>)</i></blockquote>
These editorials argue that homogenization or repression (or at least a return to the "good old days") is preferable to the current cinema's taste for violence in light of the Aurora shooting. The deplorable actions of a single individual somehow makes the case that the general public should be denied access to portrayals of violence, because "there but for the grace of God, go..." well, not these authors anyway, but certainly everyone else. Whether its movies, video games or music, the "answer" to violent tragedies is always the same: the public cannot be trusted with questionable material. This sort of punditry is the worst kind. It willingly throws personal responsibility out the window in favor of mass scale condescension.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120729/19374119870/hollywood-made-him-do-it-two-more-theories-aurora-shooter.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120729/19374119870/hollywood-made-him-do-it-two-more-theories-aurora-shooter.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120729/19374119870/hollywood-made-him-do-it-two-more-theories-aurora-shooter.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 1 Mar 2012 20:01:48 PST</pubDate>
<title>One Cent Friends: Another Attempt To Quantify Social Media's Value</title>
<dc:creator>Leigh Beadon</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>We've <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110517/16574414306/is-influence-number-is-it-based-twitter.shtml">talked before</a> about services that attempt to measure someone's social media "influence" and the inherent silliness of the concept. Although the numerical values assigned by services like <a href="http://klout.com" target="_blank">Klout</a> are, at best, weak indicators of a person's <em>actual</em> influence, it's not surprising that people are trying to make it work. The advertising industry has run on flimsy numbers for a long time: newspaper readerships and television ratings are all extrapolated, not directly measured, and advertisers pay rates based on numbers that may or may not be indicative of how much exposure they are really getting. This was an advantageous situation for the media industry, but the digital world has largely nullified that advantage. Today's advertisers are clamouring for social campaigns and viral ads, but ad agencies and publications aren't quite sure how to actually measure those things&mdash;or how to charge for them.</p>
<p>So it's interesting, but pretty bizarre, to see some short film creators attempt a promotion that <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/digital-culture/trending-tech/how-to-put-a-price-on-facebook-friends/article2354129/" target="_blank">places an arbitrary <del>dollar-</del> penny-value on their fans' Facebook friends</a>:</p>
<blockquote><em>A 40-minute film called Andy X (about the life of Andy Warhol), which was available for streaming starting Feb. 22, is offering interested viewers an opportunity to get a discount on the $6.99 price tag. As the promotion explains, "We're trying something a little different here.  We're letting you pay to watch the movie by using your friends as currency."<br /><br />
In other words, one Facebook friend equals one cent. If you have 300 friends, you'll pay $3.99 for the rental. Don't get too excited if you have more than 400 friends since there is a cap ($2.99 is the least you'll be able to pay to stream the film).</em></blockquote>
<p>It's a novel idea, but one that I doubt will work for a variety of reasons. For one thing, number of friends is an even worse influence metric than something like Klout, which at least looks at multiple factors. People use Facebook in all kinds of different ways: someone with 100 friends might be a quiet user who uses the site for little more than private messages and birthday wishes, or they might be a powerful voice who keeps a small social circle of others like them. Similarly, someone with 1000 friends might be a trendsetting socialite, or they might be an indiscriminate social media butterfly whose posts are lost in the noisy news feeds of other people who also have 1000 friends each, and who don't really remember who they are.</p>
<p>Moreover, the promotion doesn't actually encourage fans to <em>do</em> anything. Nobody is going to go out and add an extra hundred friends to save a dollar, and those getting the full discount have no added incentive to actually use their supposed influence on behalf of the movie. I bet this promotion will alienate a lot of people, since it's basically a direct insult to anyone with fewer than 400 friends. Telling your fans that they have to pay more because they don't use Facebook the way you want them to (or don't use it at all) is not going to endear you to them. <em>"You have been weighed in the balance of customers, and found wanting."</em></p>
<p>I'm all for creators trying to leverage the evangelistic powers of their fans, but the creators of Andy X have really missed the mark. Their promotion comes across less as a reward for fans who have big social circles and more as a punishment for those who don't&mdash;and it doesn't encourage either group to do anything useful.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120301/06594517927/one-cent-friends-another-attempt-to-quantify-social-medias-value.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120301/06594517927/one-cent-friends-another-attempt-to-quantify-social-medias-value.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120301/06594517927/one-cent-friends-another-attempt-to-quantify-social-medias-value.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:16:07 PST</pubDate>
<title>Public Petitions The White House To Investigate Chris Dodd &#038; The MPAA For Possible Bribery</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Late on Friday, we posted a story about how Chris Dodd at the MPAA appeared to be <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120120/14472117492/mpaa-directly-publicly-threatens-politicians-who-arent-corrupt-enough-to-stay-bought.shtml">directly threatening</a> politicians who had taken money from Hollywood, but refused to pass SOPA/PIPA.  Of course, pretty much everyone expects pay-for-laws type of corruption in politics these days, but it's quite rare for the head of a major lobbying trade group to be so explicit about it.  That story went viral in a major way over the weekend -- becoming the most trafficked story on Techdirt... ever.  I would doubt that whatever Dodd/the MPAA did reaches to the level of legally actionable... but others aren't so sure.  In the comments there's an interesting discussion of the nature of "quid pro quo" in determining if something is considered a bribe.  Some point out that Dodd appears to be highlighting the "quo" part, which is where things get dicey.
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Pretty soon after the post went up, a We The People petition showed up on the White House's site, asking <a href="https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/investigate-chris-dodd-and-mpaa-bribery-after-he-publicly-admited-bribing-politicans-pass/DffX0YQv" target="_blank">for a federal investigation of Dodd and the MPAA</a> to see if they were "bribing" public officials.  That petition has been gathering an awful lot of signatures all weekend, and it seems quite likely that it will soon reach the required threshold, requiring a comment from the White House.  At the very least, I would be interested to see how the White House responds...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120122/23425117506/public-petitions-white-house-to-investigate-chris-dodd-mpaa-possible-bribery.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120122/23425117506/public-petitions-white-house-to-investigate-chris-dodd-mpaa-possible-bribery.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120122/23425117506/public-petitions-white-house-to-investigate-chris-dodd-mpaa-possible-bribery.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:30:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Everything Is A Remix: The Matrix Edition</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111007/03221616247/everything-is-remix-matrix-edition.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/search.php?cx=partner-pub-4050006937094082%3Acx0qff-dnm1&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=everything+is+a+remix">discussed, a few times now</a>, Kirby Ferguson's interesting <a href="http://www.everythingisaremix.info/" target="_blank">Everything Is A Remix</a> project.  He's now posted a new video... which isn't technically a part of the series, but was made by <a href="http://robgwilson.com/" target="_blank">Rob G. Wilson</a> to highlight <a href="http://vimeo.com/29996808" target="_blank">a variety of things in the movie <i>The Matrix</i></a> that appear quite similar to works in other movies:
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What's especially neat is that nearly all of these examples were apparently <a href="http://www.everythingisaremix.info/everything-is-a-remix-the-matrix/" target="_blank">crowdsourced</a> by fans of the project.
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Of course, I'm sure some will point out that these are "inspirations" for The Matrix.  And some may be accidental or aren't really copies at all.  But I believe that's missing the larger point.  Clearly The Matrix was inspired by a number of other works, whether or not all of these things were accurate.  What the Wachowskis did with The Matrix was to take all those different influences and pull them together in a very compelling way with a very compelling storyline -- something I believe the Wachowskis are quite happy to admit.  This is the very nature of storytelling.  You build on the works of others.  Everyone does it all the time.
<br /><br />
In fact (rather amusingly), comic artist Grant Morrison, whose comic <i>The Invisibles</i> has been <a href="http://www.cracked.com/article_19443_7-classic-movies-you-didnt-know-were-rip-offs.html" target="_blank">mentioned</a> as an inspiration for <i>The Matrix</i> was once asked about how he felt about the Wachowskis building off of his work, and his response was that <a href="http://www.poormojo.org/pmjadaily/archives/002657.html" target="_blank">"they should have kept on stealing from me"</a> in making the sequels, so that the sequels wouldn't have been so "incomprehensible."
<br /><br />
The fear here is about overaggressive laws that block out this ability to be inspired and to pay homage.  As we've clearly seen, time and time again, there are lots of people who seem to think it's infringement to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110724/01370815220/ideaexpression-dichotomy-is-dead-judge-allows-photographers-lawsuit-against-rihanna-to-move-forward.shtml">pay homage</a> to the works of someone else.  It's ridiculous and shortsighted, but some courts agree, and the problem may only become worse.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111007/03221616247/everything-is-remix-matrix-edition.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111007/03221616247/everything-is-remix-matrix-edition.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111007/03221616247/everything-is-remix-matrix-edition.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:00:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Are You More Or Less Likely To Change Your Mind When The Majority Disagrees With You?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/01200615999/are-you-more-less-likely-to-change-your-mind-when-majority-disagrees-with-you.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ There are a few different theories on how people react to finding out that they're in the minority on some particular viewpoint.  One theory suggests that, when confronted with people disagreeing with our viewpoints, we just dig in stronger in order to validate our own self-worth.  The other side of the argument, however, is that our need for social acceptance means that if we find ourselves in the minority, we may be more likely to change our opinion in order to remain socially connected to others.  Apparently some researchers at HP decided to <a href="http://h30507.www3.hp.com/t5/Data-Central/Changing-minds-through-social-media-HP-study-shows-it-happens/ba-p/98721" target="_blank">put some of this to the test</a> to see which of the two theories held more sway.  In this case, they asked people choose which piece of furniture they liked better out of two pieces.  At some later time, they asked the same people the same question -- but also gave a count of how many people preferred each piece of furniture.  What the researchers found was a bit unexpected: when a lot of people "disagreed" with the person's choice... they were more likely to stick to their original choice.  When a smaller number of people disagreed, they were more likely to switch their vote.  So, in the face over overwhelming opposition, it seems people are more ready to dig in.  In the face of moderate opposition, they may be more open to changing their views.  So, from now on, if everyone disagrees with me, I'm just going to have to dig in even stronger, because this report says that's the thing to do... (yes, that's a joke).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/01200615999/are-you-more-less-likely-to-change-your-mind-when-majority-disagrees-with-you.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/01200615999/are-you-more-less-likely-to-change-your-mind-when-majority-disagrees-with-you.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/01200615999/are-you-more-less-likely-to-change-your-mind-when-majority-disagrees-with-you.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 3 Jun 2011 17:37:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Activity Is Not Influence</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110602/13420414530/activity-is-not-influence.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ I recently wrote about my <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110517/16574414306/is-influence-number-is-it-based-twitter.shtml">concerns</a> with the rise of services that try to measure "social media influence" by giving it a number.  I had a few concerns about this, including the fact that trying to put a number of something that is not quantifiable inevitably leads to problems, but also in that this would lead people to change how they use certain tools.  I don't use Twitter for the sake of "influence," but as a communications vehicle.  Yet, that harms my "scores" on these services and gives me incentive to do things that I'm not interested in doing.
<br /><br />
It appears I'm not the only one concerned about this.  <a href="http://jnolan.tumblr.com/post/6114751501/online-influence-is-more-than-just-social-media" target="_blank">Jeff Nolan</a> points us to a writeup by Mack Collier, in which he <a href="http://mackcollier.com/social-media-influence-isnt-simply-social-media-activity/" target="_blank">express similar concerns</a>, specifically noting that these services measure <i>activity</i>, which is different than influence -- and, in fact, can be antithetical to influence.  He notes this because one of these services, Klout, told him his "score" was dropping, and the way to increase it was to tweet more things:
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Essentially, Klout and Empire Avenue are measuring your level of social media activity, not your level of online influence.
<br /><br />
Simply sharing more content and engaging with my network isn&rsquo;t going to make me more influential over them.  In fact if it&rsquo;s not the type of content and engagement that they are looking for, my influence over them will fall, not rise as I become more active.
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And yet, because these sites and their <i>made up numbers</i> declare that they're measuring "influence" lots of people just believe them.  It's really unfortunate, and it's going to lead to people changing their behavior in ways that don't increase influence at all, but decrease it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110602/13420414530/activity-is-not-influence.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110602/13420414530/activity-is-not-influence.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110602/13420414530/activity-is-not-influence.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 16:01:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Is Influence A Number... And Is It Based On Twitter?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There's been a lot of talk lately about figuring out who "influencers" are and a variety of services have sprung up to try to calculate just how influential a person is based on certain actions they do online -- usually specific to their Twitter of Facebook accounts.  The three such services that seem to have received some attention of late are Klout, EmpireAvenue and PeerIndex, though there very well may be more.  AdWeek recently wrote about how people's "Klout scores" are <a href="http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/getting-your-klout-out-131629?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A adweek%2Ftechnology %28Technology%29" target="_blank">showing up on their resumes</a>, and that people with high Klout scores are getting free stuff or getting preferential treatment from companies because of their influence.
<br><br>
I have to admit that the whole thing seems amusing to me, and in some sense, screams of a scam by users against companies.  As long as you can convince them you're "influential" (whatever that means), you can get special treatment.  Considering how frequently many companies have mistreated people, the idea that you can game a system (and most of these systems appear very gamable) and get special treatment has a bit of a poetic justice feel to it.  But the whole thing also seems crazy, in the simple idea that just because you put <i>a</i> number on something, that it's then been "defined."  There doesn't seem to be any clear way to make sure that any of these numbers actually <i>mean</i> anything, or actually have any real impact on "influence."  Yet, because there's a number, it's considered important and accurate.
<br><br>
The other thing that makes me wonder about these sorts of things is that I don't use all of these different communications platforms the same way or for the same reasons.  I use Facebook and Twitter was a method of <i>communicating</i>, not of influencing people.  Yet if suddenly these random and arbitrary scores become important, do I start thinking differently about how I use these tools?  Do I suddenly have incentives to get a lot more followers who will repeat what I say because it might increase my "influence" score?  Personally, I don't care enough to do that, and it would probably ruin the benefits I get out of things like Facebook and Twitter, but it does make me wonder how attempts to define something that isn't really definable leads to a change in how those tools are used.
<br><br>
And, of course, the most damning point on all of these attempts to declare certain individuals as "influencers" is the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080128/16262496.shtml">research</a> -- already a few years old -- that suggests the people who are declared as "influentials" may not really have that much influence.  That is, people are most often influenced by people who they <i>really</i> know personally, rather than someone who is "famous" in some form or another.  Now I do wonder if that's changing over time, and many people point out that Twitter and Facebook and the like often do make it feel like you get to "know" other people who you might not really know in real life, but it seems like in this rush to "grade" who is influential and who is not, we may have missed out on the fact that influence doesn't work like that...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110517/16574414306/is-influence-number-is-it-based-twitter.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110517/16574414306/is-influence-number-is-it-based-twitter.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110517/16574414306/is-influence-number-is-it-based-twitter.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Video Games And Influence</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ In our recent post about some old rockers <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090913/1709366172.shtml">complaining</a> about music video games being no substitute for actually playing instruments (not that anyone claimed it was), one of our commenters, Comboman, made a rather amusing point concerning <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20090913/1709366172#c356" target="_new">complaints against video games</a>:
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Video game critics claim violent games will make kids want to imitate the game and do real violent acts. Now they're complaining that music games will make kids NOT want to imitate the game and do real music?
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To be fair, it's a different group of people complaining this time, but it is rather amusing.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090914/1801436187.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090914/1801436187.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090914/1801436187.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>depends-on-who-you-talk-to</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:49:59 PST</pubDate>
<title>Gullible Consumers Easily Swayed By Meaningless Tech Specs</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I imagine this won't come as a huge surprise to many of you, but it appears that we're all <a href="http://www.cellular-news.com/story/35175.php?source=rss" target="_new">influenced by the presence of tech specs on a product -- even if those specs are somewhat meaningless</a>.  A variety of separate studies showed that people would usually purchase the product with "more" specs, even if they were meaningless.  One of the tests even had people create their own tech specs based on their usage, and they were <i>still</i> more influenced by the specs than the actual usage.  Apparently, we need to get busy adding more "tech specs" to our products around here...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081216/0248583136.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081216/0248583136.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081216/0248583136.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>oooooh,-1.21-jigawatts!!</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:41:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Howard Stern Learns: Going Behind A Paywall Is A Good Way To Lose Influence</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've talked for years about the danger any media makes in focusing on setting up a paywall.   In an age where openness and the ability to get others to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080327/152312670.shtml">spread and promote the content</a> for you is often a key barometer of success, locking yourself up behind a paywall takes you out of the wider conversation, and by its very nature, decreases your overall ability to influence.  The LA Times has an article noticing that this seems to be exactly what's happened with Howard Stern, who <a href="http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-stern13-2008oct13,0,7473563.story" target="_new">famously made the jump from terrestrial radio to satellite radio</a> -- and in doing so, appears to have lost a large percentage of his audience, and with it much of his influence.  Of course, he was paid handsomely for doing so, but Sirius almost certainly expected Stern to bring a larger percentage of his audience with him.  Yet, as the article notes, Stern's waning influence due to the switch means that even he's having trouble getting the level of celebrity that he used to command to even bother coming on his show.  Amusingly, the article also notes that the very reason why Stern claimed he was moving to satellite -- his troubles with the FCC -- may be contributing to his lack of influence with the new show.  In the past, every time Stern got in trouble with the FCC, it boosted ratings, giving him plenty of free publicity.  Without that foil, he loses much of the free publicity.  Such is life behind the paywall, apparently.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081014/0146592539.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081014/0146592539.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081014/0146592539.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>the-price-of-influence</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 8 Jul 2008 00:08:45 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Remember All Those 'Influence' Ad Companies? They May Have A Patent Problem</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It was just a couple weeks ago that we (skeptically) noted that there were a bunch of companies trying to create systems to use things like a "FriendRank" to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080624/1535431501.shtml">use "influence" to help advertise</a>.  However, it looks like those companies may have to deal with a bit of a patent block.  <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/04/140223&#038;from=rss">Slashdot</a> points out that Google has applied for a patent on <a href="http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;d=PG01&#038;p=1&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&#038;r=1&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;s1=%2220080162260%22.PGNR.&#038;OS=DN/20080162260&#038;RS=DN/20080162260" target="_new">just such a process</a> to establish a sort of "FriendRank."  Of course, the fact that there are a bunch of companies all trying to do this (prior to this patent application being published) certainly suggests that this is hardly the sort of breakthrough that requires a patent (though, it seems likely that those other companies are also applying for patents, meaning we may soon have yet another patent thicket).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080707/1054301609.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080707/1054301609.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080707/1054301609.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>ah-google</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:32:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>New Push Towards Social Advertising May Miss The Fact That Influence Isn't Static</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ As more and more people are realizing that banner ads <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080519/0234411163.shtml">don't work</a> very well as advertising, there's a rush on to find better alternatives.  What's now getting a lot of attention is "influential" ads.  News.com has two examples of new companies trying to put this into action.  The first is a company called 33Across that tries to use some algorithm to <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9974210-7.html?part=rss&#038;subj=news&#038;tag=2547-1_3-0-20" target="_new">figure out who is most "influential" online</a> and target ads towards them, hoping they'll influence others.  The other is a company with the most generic name for this space: SocialMedia, who is hyping up the fact that it's come up with a <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9974220-7.html?part=rss&#038;subj=news&#038;tag=2547-1_3-0-20" target="_new">"FriendRank" to determine how influential someone is</a>, and then try to get those influential people to effectively "endorse" advertisements that their friends see.
<br /><br />
These approaches have plenty of problems, but the biggest one is the simple fact that studies are starting to show that the concept of "influentials" is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080128/16262496.shtml">overstated</a>.  Sure, people are influenced by others, but it's not because some officially designated "influential" influences them.  Influence doesn't work that way.  People don't trust people because they're suddenly considered influential.  They trust people because they <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/102039737.shtml">know that <i>individual</i></a> well and trust them on that particular topic.  In other words, Bill could be influential on a certain topic to Jill, but won't be influential to others or on other subjects.
<br /><br />
But, these services don't seem to do much to recognize that.  Instead, they assume that people actually have some sort of universal "influential" rank.  What they'll quickly discover is that this won't be very effective, because people won't be influenced by who these services think are influential.  And, if anything, these efforts will decrease influence by inserting additional friction.  If I were to see a friend in an ad for a product, before making me think that product is more interesting, it will make me wonder what my friend gets out of it, and whether or not he really believes in the product.  I trust recommendations that come up unsolicited -- not those that are built into an ad unit.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080624/1535431501.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080624/1535431501.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080624/1535431501.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 3 Apr 2008 12:57:26 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Would You Believe People Trust Their Real Friends Over Bloggers?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/102039737.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ In what may be one of the most pointless studies done in quite some time, a research firm has discovered to its own amazement that <a href="http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomePage&#038;art_aid=79873" target="_new">people tend to trust their own friends more than well known bloggers</a>.  Well, I should certainly <i>hope</i> so.  Were there really people out there who thought that folks with high trafficked blogs actually held more sway than a personal friend?  This is really nothing more than a retread of a (much more academic) report back in January noting that so-called "influentials" <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080128/16262496.shtml">don't really have very much influence</a>.  What that study found was that "word of mouth" works, but where those recommendations come from tend to be somewhat random.  So things bubble up from everywhere, rather than starting with well-known bloggers.  This shouldn't be surprising to anyone, but after a few years of ridiculous media coverage suggesting that top bloggers have influence, it's nice to see a few reminders that influence is a much more democratic system.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/102039737.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/102039737.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/102039737.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>oh-my!</slash:department>
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