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<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:14:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>IL Follows Suit: Employers Right To Ask For Social Media Passwords Codified Into Law</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
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Just a few weeks back we relayed the news that Washington State was seeking to codify into law an employer's <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130405/09461122596/wa-bill-allowing-employers-to-request-facebook-passwords.shtml">right</a> to ask for the social media passwords of their employees. I continue to be amazed both at why such a law was considered in the first place, as well as why there hasn't been more backlash against it. That said, I imagine the answer to the latter has something to do with the idea that employees and prospective employees could deny that request, so perhaps some people think that there's little to no impact overall. This, on its face, is obviously silly. Were there going to be no impact to denying the request, employers would never make it in the first place. You have to imagine that an employee, and to a larger extent an applicant, is going to face enormous pressure to give the key to their personal sites away, whether that pressure is real or imagined.
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However, since the bill hasn't been challenged in the court of public opinion, others are now beginning to follow suit. Such is the case in Illinois, where the state House passed a bill this week, sponsored by Jim Durkin, that <a href="http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/April-2013/Could-Your-Boss-Demand-Access-To-Your-Facebook-Account/">gives employers there the same rights</a>. And, of course, it's all done in the name of protecting the workplace.
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<i>The Illinois House passed a bill today that would allow employers to request access to employees' personal web accounts used for business purposes, like Facebook and other social networking sites. As if people aren't paranoid enough already. To be clear, the bill does not mandate that employees supply the information, and no one could be fired or penalized for noncompliance. The idea is to allow employers the opportunity to investigate employee misconduct, protect trade secrets, and prevent workplace violence by monitoring online activities. Even without it being mandatory to share your login and password, you could imagine a boss putting a subordinate under some uncomfortable pressure.</i></blockquote>
A challenge to everyone, if I may. If you were able to somehow catalog and characterize every single instance of employee misconduct, trade secret revealing, and workplace violence, exactly what percentage of them would you guess could have been prevented by proactive investigation of social media? Further, what percentage of such cases are such that the key evidence that would conclude any investigation into them would be only made available with a social media password? These are the kinds of answers with which I would expect proponents of such laws to be beating us over the head, yet you never seem to see any data in the reports. It all essentially comes down to, "We need to give employers the right to ask for social media passwords, because violence, scary internet, and children."
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Do you know why we highlight when <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121204/16501621225/protip-after-successfully-stealing-car-robbing-bank-dont-brag-about-it-youtube.shtml">stupid</a> criminals spurt their stupid juices all over the internet? Because they're the vast exception, not the rule. Creating the kind of animosity between employers and employees such as this bill will do is an awful over-reaction to those stories.
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<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:34:12 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Alan Cooper, Paul Godfread Call Prenda Law's Bluff On Defamation Lawsuit</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We were somewhat surprised by Prenda Law, John Steele and Paul Duffy choosing to <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130303/23353022182/prenda-law-sues-critics-defamation.shtml">sue</a> various critics for defamation, and specifically charging Alan Cooper and Paul Godfread with defamation.  Cooper, of course, was the home caretaker for some John Steele Properties who <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121207/03001521302/john-steeles-property-caretaker-intervenes-copyright-trolling-case-alleging-identity-theft.shtml">discovered</a> that his name was somehow involved in Prenda Law's shell games with (at least) AF Holdings and Ingenuity 13.  He eventually <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130127/22415721800/alan-cooper-sues-john-steele-prenda-law-shell-companies-he-supposedly-runs.shtml">sued Prenda</a> claiming that his identity was used without his permission.  Following this, as we heard at the big <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130311/19422822287/deep-dive-analysis-brett-gibbs-gets-his-day-court-prenda-law-is-star.shtml">Prenda hearing</a>, Steele started leaving a bunch of voicemails for Cooper, potentially violating ethics rules about directly contacting parties on the other side in a lawsuit.  Also, from the voicemails, it seemed clear that the intention was to intimidate Cooper.
<br /><br />
As we noted at the time, it would seem that filing these lawsuits would open them all up for significant discovery, which they probably would not like very much.  The Prenda and Duffy lawsuits were filed in Illinois, and as we noted, Illinois has a relatively broad anti-SLAPP law.  The Steele lawsuit was filed in Florida, though it was quickly <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130306/13202922219/john-steele-dismisses-his-defamation-lawsuit-against-alan-cooper-anonymous-internet-critics.shtml">dismissed</a>.  The two Illinois cases are ongoing, and the two named people sued -- Alan Cooper and his lawyer Paul Godfread -- have now <a href="http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/2013/03/21/answers-are-filed-in-the-prendas-defamation-lawsuits/" target="_blank">filed their answers to the lawsuit</a>.  As is required in such cases, they go through each statement in the original suit, and confirm or deny (mostly deny) the various allegations made.  Specifically, they deny making the vast majority of the random comments made on various blog comment systems that the lawsuits accuse them of being a part of.
<br /><br />
Following this, they present their defenses, which again all appear to be fairly standard.  They don't believe they've done anything illegal, any statements made were true, and thus not defamatory, information about their own lawsuit against Prenda are protected by legal privilege and they argue that it is a SLAPP suit.
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They also bring up a <i>whole bunch</i> of counterclaims, and as part of that reveal that the "intimidation" campaign wasn't just limited to Steele calling Cooper, but included Peter Hansmeier's emails with Godfread as well, with the following email revealed to the court, which really highlights Hansmeier's pure hubris.
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Dear Mr. Godfread:
<br /><br />
My firm has been retained by Livewire Holdings LLC to pursue claims in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota against you and your coconspirators arising from defamation, civil conspiracy and related acts. The alleged acts occurred in e-mail communications and blog posts describing my client as a criminal enterprise. As you know, such statements constitute defamation per se and are, quite frankly, wildly inappropriate. Less-egregious claims have resulted in multi-million dollar judgments, as I trust this one will. The facts of the underlying case are essentially a law school exam hypothetical of every possible variation of libel. Perhaps you can forward my client's complaint to your former professors at William Mitchell. My client is well-aware that you are a major contributor to these blog sites.
<br /><br />
The purpose of this e-mail is to inform you of impending litigation so that you preserve all relevant evidence in your possession including, but not limited to, communications between yourself and David Camaratto, Morgan Pietz, Nicholas Ranallo and any other individuals associated directly or indirectly with the sites fightcopyrighttrolls and dietrolldie. Further, any and all other evidence that might
be relevant to this matter must, of course, be preserved.
<br /><br />
I suspect that you aligned yourself with these defamatory efforts as a marketing strategy. I don't know if these efforts paid off, but I can assure you that making baseless accusations of criminal conduct is not a wise move for a licensed attorney. All of that being said, my client knows that you didn't work alone in these wrongful efforts. If you think we are missing out on more serious actors in your enterprise my client would be willing to consider decreasing your liability in exchange for information about these individuals. Of course, that interest will disappear if someone else comes forward first. Think it over and let me know. If you're willing to take the fall for whole group then you are decidedly a "true believer."
<br /><br />
Welcome to the big leagues.
<br /><br />
Paul
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That sign off line is quite a piece of work, and I'm sure it will go over well in federal court, where it's likely that the judge will have a chance to learn about the case in front of Judge Otis Wright in California.  Furthermore, as <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2013/03/22/alan-cooper-strikes-back-files-counterclaim-against-prenda-law-and-paul-duffy/" target="_blank">Ken White points out</a>, that email is most telling for what's not in there:
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...please take note of the dog that did not bark in the night.  That is, note what the letter <b>does not say.</b>  Consider the context.  Godfread, on behalf of Cooper, is telling courts that Prenda Law has stolen Cooper's identity, and has filed a lawsuit on that basis.  What would you expect in response, if Prenda Law had an answer for that?  If I were representing Prenda Law, and had an answer, there is no doubt in my mind I would articulate it.  I would say, "As you and Mr. Cooper know, and witnesses will attest, Mr. Cooper was a willing participant in AF Holdings LLC and fully consented to being an officer."  Or I might say "You have recklessly and without adequate basis suggested that your client is the Alan Cooper who is an officer of AF Holdings, when even the briefest inquiry would show that AF Holdings is led by the distinguished Alan Cooper of Nevis and St. Kitts."  I would say <b>something</b> articulating <b>why</b> Cooper's and Godfread's assertions are false.  As I so often say, vagueness in legal threats is the hallmark of thuggery.  But Hansmeier says nothing of the sort.  He has only adolescent puffed-up threats and insults.  What do <b>you</b> think that signifies?
</i></blockquote>
There is one seeming oddity in the response.  As we noted Illinois has a decent, though not wonderful, anti-SLAPP law.  But rather than rely on that, Cooper and Godfread, instead <i>claim Minnesota's anti-SLAPP law protect them</i>.  They're both based in Minnesota, but it's still a little odd.  Minnesota's anti-SLAPP law is definitely stronger than Illinois and as White notes, provides "immunity" from such lawsuits.
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More importantly, by filing a bunch of counterclaims, Duffy and Prenda cannot easily walk away from this lawsuit, which is probably not the situation that Duffy, Hansmeier, Steele and others really want to be in right now.  They've been playing a bullying bluster game all along, and suddenly their bluff is getting called, repeatedly, and they seem to think that if they just keep bullying and bluffing maybe it'll work out in the end.  Of course, by the time Judge Wright is done with these guys, these cases in Illinois might not even matter very much...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130322/15052022422/alan-cooper-paul-godfread-respond-to-prenda-laws-defamation-lawsuit-hit-back-with-counterclaims.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130322/15052022422/alan-cooper-paul-godfread-respond-to-prenda-laws-defamation-lawsuit-hit-back-with-counterclaims.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130322/15052022422/alan-cooper-paul-godfread-respond-to-prenda-laws-defamation-lawsuit-hit-back-with-counterclaims.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 4 Mar 2013 05:34:30 PST</pubDate>
<title>Prenda Law Sues Critics For Defamation</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Wow.  Wow.  Wow.  Okay, so we have another story we've been working on concerning Brett Gibbs, a lawyer who was working for Prenda Law in California, finally answering some of the questions presented to him by a judge.  We'll get that story up later, because there's a new Prenda story that has leapfrogged all the others.  It appears that three separate lawsuits have now been filed -- one from Prenda itself, one from John Steele (the guy who is often considered the man behind Prenda) and Paul Duffy the actual official partner of Prenda Law (you may remember Paul from <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121130/17100821190/copyright-troll-case-tossed-fraud-court-after-abbott-costello-worthy-hearing.shtml">this story</a>, in which he sent a letter insisting that Prenda Law had nothing to do with a case, despite the lawyer appearing believing they had been hired by Prenda).  Jordan Rushie, a lawyer who has been following the Prenda cases pretty closely, has <a href="http://phillylawblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/prenda-law-john-steele-and-paul-duffy-file-suit-against-alan-cooper-his-lawyer-paul-goodfread-and-anonymous-john-does/" target="_blank">links to all of the filings</a>, which we've embedded below.  All three were originally filed in state courts (Prenda &#038; Duffy in Illinois, Steele in Florida), but were quickly removed to federal courts.
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These are basically defamation lawsuits with a few other claims thrown in as well.  There are two named defendants in the lawsuit: Alan Cooper (a caretaker for a home of John Steele, who has <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121207/03001521302/john-steeles-property-caretaker-intervenes-copyright-trolling-case-alleging-identity-theft.shtml">accused</a> Steele/Prenda of illegally using his name as "CEO" of companies Ingenuity 13 and AF Holdings) and Paul Godfread, Cooper's lawyer, who filed the letter alerting some judges to these concerns, and then followed it up by <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130127/22415721800/alan-cooper-sues-john-steele-prenda-law-shell-companies-he-supposedly-runs.shtml">filing a lawsuit</a> against Steele and Prenda on behalf of Cooper.
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The other targets of the lawsuit are a bunch of unnamed John Does (and if these guys have expertise in anything, it's filing lawsuits that involve John Does), who are... a bunch of anonymous commentators concerning the various Prenda Lawsuits.  It looks like they're targeting people on the two main copyright troll tracking websites out there, <a href="http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/" target="_blank">FightCopyrightTrolls.com</a> and <a href="http://dietrolldie.com/" target="_blank">DieTrollDie.com</a>.  It's worth noting that both sites were the subject of <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/enraged-by-abusive-lawsuits-anonymous-troll-slayers-are-fighting-back/" target="_blank">a nice profile article in Ars Technica last week</a>.
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The three filings are <i>similar</i>, but not identical.  The Prenda one and the Duffy one are almost identical, but the Steele one is different in a few ways, including focusing on lots and lots and lots of statements specifically about Steele.  Steele's suit also does not make the "false light" claim, which means he actually realized that Florida has rejected "false light" as a tort in that state.
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Still, all three suits read like obvious SLAPP suits, targeting online critics.  The fact that they target Cooper and Godfread, who have a lawsuit pending against them, is ridiculous.  That they then go after anonymous bloggers and commenters who have been revealing and calling attention to some of Prenda's more questionable moves seems like an obvious SLAPP situation, in which they appear to be using the lawsuit to create chilling effects and to stifle speech.  Looking over the long list of quotes they pull out in the various lawsuits, the vast majority seem to be <i>clear</i> statements of opinion, rather than fact.  And even when you could argue some of them are statements of fact -- such as referring to anyone associated with Prenda as a "criminal" or a "scammer" or calling Prenda a "fraud" or similar such things -- courts have <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121214/23204121393/its-not-defamation-to-call-someone-terrorist-online-accusing-them-putting-severed-horse-head-pool-however.shtml">increasingly noted</a> that name calling in online forums does not reach the level of defamation, since the context matters.  That's no guarantee, as those rulings are still limited, but it's at least a sign that these lawsuits may be overreaching in their claims (which, of course, is a key component of a SLAPP).
<br /><br />
It is not uncommon for people in comments on blogs to go a bit far in some of their claims (and even the main authors of the two blogs above sometimes seem to make pretty strong statements that may not be fully supported by the evidence presented).  However, to take that to the level of defamation feels like a pretty big stretch.  If anything, these lawsuits seem more likely to be attempts to first "out" the folks behind those blogs (and some of the nastier comments) and, barring that, to scare them with chilling effects.
<br /><br />
Of course, one interesting thing: the best defense against defamation claims, obviously, is the truth.  And, it would seem that, in filing these lawsuits, Steele, Duffy and Prenda may have opened themselves up to pretty wide discovery efforts which may turn up things they probably would rather not have in court.  That point alone has me wondering why they'd take this step.
<br /><br />
On top of that, the lawsuits note that the plaintiffs are not public figures, which sets the bar much lower for defamation.  Paul Duffy <i>might</i> be able to get away with such a claim, but John Steele would seem to have a lot more difficulty.  After all, he's been the subject of <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/10/15/how-porn-copyright-lawyer-john-steele-justifies-his-pursuit-of-sometimes-innocent-porn-pirates/" target="_blank">detailed profiles in Forbes Magazine</a> (which he happily participated in).  Forbes doesn't do profile stories on nobodies.
<br /><br />
It would seem important to note that both Illinois and Florida have passed anti-SLAPP laws.  Florida's are fairly narrowly defined, however, and may not be useful here.  Illinois, however, has as broader anti-SLAPP law that has sometimes been <a href="http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/anti-slapp-law-illinois" target="_blank">interpreted narrowly</a>.  Both of these are reminders for why we desperately need a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091222/0239587461.shtml">federal anti-SLAPP law</a>.
<br /><br />
It appears that, at least for now, Steele and Duffy are representing themselves, while Prenda has another law firm representing the firm.  Cooper and Godfread have signed up lawyers to represent them in both Illinois and Florida (in Illinois the lawyers, Erin Russell and Jason Sweet, both have a decently established history of fighting Prenda cases, and while I wasn't familiar with the name, the same appears to be true of Brad Patrick, who is representing them in Florida).
<br /><br />
As always with Prenda/Steele, every time you think a story can't possibly get crazier, it seems to take another massive curve in the road.  At some point, when this is all over, there's going to be an amazing book to be written about the rise (and, most likely, fall) of John Steele and his adventures in copyright trolling.  The story is gripping.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130303/23353022182/prenda-law-sues-critics-defamation.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130303/23353022182/prenda-law-sues-critics-defamation.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130303/23353022182/prenda-law-sues-critics-defamation.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Illinois Bill To Outlaw Online Anonymity Dropped Because People Got Pissed Off, Not Because It's Unconstitutional</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We recently wrote about Illinois state senator Ira Silverstein and his bizarre decision to push an obviously unconstitutional bill that would effectively <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130219/10065822029/illinois-politician-seeks-to-outlaw-anonymous-comments-allow-anonymous-gun-ownership.shtml">ban anonymous speech online</a>.  Basically, any site that accepted comments or user content, would be required to get the real names and addresses of anyone who comments, or agree to pull any anonymous content.  As we noted at the time, the bill appeared to be an almost exact replica of a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120522/18044619030/whos-coward-thin-skinned-ny-politicians-try-to-ban-anonymous-comments.shtml">NY state bill</a> that was widely mocked online for being unconstitutional.
<br /><br />
Silverstein has now <a href="http://www.techhive.com/article/2029152/illinois-lawmaker-hastily-pulls-bill-that-would-have-stripped-online-anonymity.html" target="_blank">pulled the bill</a>, admitting that "the heat" the bill generated was too much, so he dropped it.  But what's truly incredible is his apparent inability to <a href="http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2013/02/illinois-senate-bill-seeks-to-unmask-anonymous-internet-commenters.html" target="_blank">understand <i>why</i> people were so upset</a>.  He doesn't seem particularly apologetic about it, though he does admit that he copied the NY bill, which he discovered while surfing the internet:
<blockquote><i>
"I do a lot of reading, a lot of research, over break," he said. "And I came across this idea that had been suggested in New York (state) as a way to combat cyberbullying. Kids can be very mean on the Internet, and I thought this might be a way of controlling that."
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So it's another "save the children!" excuse, without, apparently, even attempting to think through the consequences (or constitutionality) of what he was proposing.  For all the "reading" and "research" he did over break, you'd think he would have come across the complete tear downs of that same NY bill and why it was unconstitutional.  I'm glad the bill was pulled, but it would be nicer if there was some flicker of recognition from Silverstein as to why the bill was so problematic in the first place.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130222/18003222079/illinois-bill-to-outlaw-online-anonymity-dropped-because-people-got-pissed-off-not-because-its-unconstitutional.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130222/18003222079/illinois-bill-to-outlaw-online-anonymity-dropped-because-people-got-pissed-off-not-because-its-unconstitutional.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130222/18003222079/illinois-bill-to-outlaw-online-anonymity-dropped-because-people-got-pissed-off-not-because-its-unconstitutional.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Illinois Politician Seeks To Outlaw Anonymous Comments (But Allow Anonymous Gun Ownership)</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last year, we wrote about a ridiculous and obviously First Amendment-infringing attempt by some thin-skinned NY politicians to pass a law that would effectively <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120522/18044619030/whos-coward-thin-skinned-ny-politicians-try-to-ban-anonymous-comments.shtml">ban anonymous comments</a> online.  The mechanism would be that a website would have to remove any comments, upon request, unless the commenter agreed to reveal their name, and connect the comment to their name and home address.  As we noted, the Supreme Court has been pretty clear that protecting anonymous speech is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McIntyre_v._Ohio_Elections_Commission" target="_blank">key part</a> of the First Amendment:
<blockquote><i>
Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.
</i></blockquote>
It would appear that Illinois State Senator Ira I. Silverstein needs a refresher course on this basic concept, as he's recently introduced an <a href="http://legiscan.com/IL/bill/SB1614" target="_blank">almost <i>identical bill</i> to the New York one</a>.  Seriously.  The wording is about as close to identical as you could imagine.  Here's the Illinois wording.
<blockquote><i>
Creates the Internet Posting Removal Act. Provides that a web site administrator shall, upon request, remove any posted comments posted by an anonymous poster unless the anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.
</i></blockquote>
Here's the widely mocked NY wording:
<blockquote><i>
A WEB SITE ADMINISTRATOR UPON REQUEST SHALL REMOVE ANY COMMENTS POSTED ON HIS OR HER WEB SITE BY AN ANONYMOUS POSTER UNLESS SUCH ANONYMOUS POSTER AGREES TO ATTACH HIS OR HER NAME TO THE POST AND CONFIRMS THAT HIS OR HER IP ADDRESS, LEGAL NAME, AND HOME ADDRESS ARE ACCURATE. ALL WEB SITE ADMINISTRATORS SHALL HAVE A CONTACT NUMBER OR E-MAIL ADDRESS POSTED FOR SUCH REMOVAL REQUESTS, CLEARLY VISIBLE IN ANY SECTIONS WHERE COMMENTS ARE POSTED.
</i></blockquote>
It kind of makes me wonder who is going around giving state politicians this language.
<br /><br />
Meanwhile, Jeff Jarvis notes <a href="https://plus.google.com/+JeffJarvis/posts/MMw2QmwTAvc" target="_blank">the ultimate irony</a> that the very same Ira I. Silverstein, just days after introducing that bill to effectively ban internet anonymity, proposed <a href="http://legiscan.com/IL/bill/SB1709" target="_blank">another bill to keep gun owner info anonymous</a>, amending the freedom of information act to exempt firearms ownership data from being available to the public.
<br /><br />
Whatever you might believe about anonymous comments and/or gun ownership, it's difficult to put both of these laws together and not see some sort of extreme hypocrisy.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130219/10065822029/illinois-politician-seeks-to-outlaw-anonymous-comments-allow-anonymous-gun-ownership.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130219/10065822029/illinois-politician-seeks-to-outlaw-anonymous-comments-allow-anonymous-gun-ownership.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130219/10065822029/illinois-politician-seeks-to-outlaw-anonymous-comments-allow-anonymous-gun-ownership.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:02:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Supreme Court Rejects Appeal Over Law Banning Recording The Police</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ You may recall that we&#39;ve been following the ongoing saga of a poorly-written piece of state legislation in Illinois, which would strip citizens of their First Amendment rights if they were to film law enforcement performing their duties. One gentleman was facing a possible <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">75 years</a> in jail for five counts at up to 15 years each, until the 7th Circuit appeals court <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120509/16490418853/federal-appeals-court-rejects-illinois-eavesdropping-law-as-likely-violating-first-amendment.shtml">ruled</a> that the law could not be enforced, because it very likely violated the First Amendment.  Specifically, they sent it back to the lower court to rule on whether the law did, in fact, violate the First Amendment, along with fairly strong guidance that the lower court should probably toss out the law on those grounds.  However, before the district court could review, the appeals court ruling was appealed to the Supreme Court.<br />
<br />
The <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-supreme-court-rejects-plea-to-prohibit-taping-of-police-20121126,0,686331.story">Supreme Court has now refused to hear the case</a>, sending it back to the lower court, as the appeals court had originally intended.
<blockquote>
<i>The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from the Cook County state&#39;s attorney to allow enforcement of a law prohibiting people from recording police officers on the job. The justices on Monday left in place a lower court ruling that found that the state&#39;s anti-eavesdropping law violates free speech rights when used against people who tape law enforcement officers.</i></blockquote>
The ACLU had brought a suit to block the prosecution of their staff recording police in public spaces, a main focus of the organization. They also see the refusal by the Supreme Court to hear the case as a major win for the rights of citizens to keep law enforcement from abusing their power.
<blockquote>
<i>Harvey Grossman, legal director of the ACLU of Illinois, said the organization was "pleased that the Supreme Court has refused to take this appeal. . .The ACLU of Illinois continues to believe that in order to make the rights of free expression and petition effective, individuals and organizations must be able to freely gather and record information about the conduct of government and their agents &ndash; especially the police. The advent and widespread accessibility of new technologies make the recording and dissemination of pictures and sound inexpensive, efficient and easy to accomplish."</i></blockquote>
As recording devices in public become more and more ubiquitous, hopefully law enforcement will cease to shy away from such public scrutiny. After all, in the long run, the ability for the public to check abuses by the authorities will only make those authorities better.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121126/14083621150/supreme-court-rejects-appeal-over-law-banning-recording-police.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 09:09:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Federal Appeals Court Rejects Illinois' Eavesdropping Law As Likely Violating The First Amendment</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've been covering Illinois' ridiculous "anti-eavesdropping" law, which has been used a few times against individuals who <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">record the police</a> in public.  For reasons that are beyond me, Illinois' attorney general has been not only quick to use the law (often in a very vindictive manner), but also has been pretty adamant in his defense that it was a perfectly reasonable law (despite other rulings that make it clear that recording police is perfectly reasonable).  A few state courts have been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml">rejecting</a> the law as unconstitutional, but now a federal appeals court has weighed in and suggested that <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/illinois-police-eavesdroppin/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A wired27b %28Blog - 27B Stroke 6 %28Threat Level%29%29" target="_blank">the law may violate the First Amendment</a>.  For now, it has simply sent the case back to the lower court to reconsider:
<blockquote><i>
The Illinois eavesdropping statute restricts a medium
of expression commonly used for the preservation and
communication of information and ideas, thus triggering
First Amendment scrutiny. Illinois has criminalized
the nonconsensual recording of most any oral communication,
including recordings of public officials doing the
public&#8217;s business in public and regardless of whether
the recording is open or surreptitious. Defending the
broad sweep of this statute, the State&#8217;s Attorney relies on
the government&#8217;s interest in protecting conversational
privacy, but that interest is not implicated when police
officers are performing their duties in public places and
engaging in public communications audible to persons
who witness the events. Even under the more lenient
intermediate standard of scrutiny applicable to contentneutral
burdens on speech, this application of the statute
very likely flunks. The Illinois eavesdropping statute
restricts far more speech than necessary to protect legitimate
privacy interests; as applied to the facts alleged
here, it likely violates the First Amendment&#8217;s freespeech
and free-press guarantees.
</i></blockquote>
It's good to see more and more courts rejecting these cases that clearly serve no purpose other than to scare off whistleblowers.  Frankly, the state government should have recognized this long ago and not only dumped such a law, but then refused to bring such cases or stand behind such a ridiculous and unconstitutional law.
<br /><br />
Unfortunately, this ruling was not unanimous among the three judge panel.  Well respected appeals court judge Richard Posner -- who had already <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml">expressed concerns</a> that if people were allowed to film the police, they  might continue to do so -- disagreed with his colleagues and wrote a dissent on the ruling.  Posner's argument seems to hinge on the idea that police might discuss private things in public places (not that any of the cases to date seem to involve that), and thus he fears that a wholesale rejection of the law goes too far.  Even so, that seems like a bizarre ruling.  Why should others get into legal trouble (and face jailtime) just because someone decided to discuss private info in public?  Shouldn't the onus be on the person making those statements not to have revealed them in public?
<br /><br />
Posner uses the dissent to launch an attack on supporters of a strong First Amendment, arguing that such an interpretation is inconsistent with how the Bill of Rights was written and would obliterate all sorts of laws that go up against the First Amendment.  That seems like a rather extreme extrapolation.
<blockquote><i>
Even today, with the right to free
speech expanding in all directions, it remains a partial,
a qualified, right. To make it complete would render
unconstitutional defamation law, copyright law, trade
secret law, and trademark law; tort liability for wiretapping,
other electronic eavesdropping, and publicly
depicting a person in a &#8220;false light&#8221;; laws criminalizing
the publication of military secrets and the dissemination
of child pornography; conspiracy law (thus including
much of antitrust law); prohibitions of criminal solicitation,
threats and fighting words, securities fraud, and
false advertising of quack medical remedies; the regulation
of marches, parades, and other demonstrations
whatever their objective; limitations on free speech
in prisons; laws limiting the televising of judicial proceedings;
what little is left of permitted regulation
of campaign expenditures; public school disciplining of
inflammatory or disruptive student speech; the attorneyclient,
spousal, and physician-patient privileges in cases
in which an attorney or spouse or physician would like
to speak but is forbidden by the privilege to do so;
laws making medical records confidential; and prohibitions
against the public disclosure of jurors&#8217; names in
cases in which jurors might be harassed. All these legal
restrictions of free speech are permitted
</i></blockquote>
He goes on to point out that recording the police in public may make them not be able to do their job:
<blockquote><i>
An officer may freeze if he sees a journalist
recording a conversation between the officer and
a crime suspect, crime victim, or dissatisfied member
of the public. He may be concerned when any stranger
moves into earshot, or when he sees a recording
device (even a cell phone, for modern cell phones are
digital audio recorders) in the stranger&#8217;s hand. To
distract police during tense encounters with citizens
endangers public safety and undermines effective law
enforcement.
</i></blockquote>
That seems like a pretty extreme hypothetical, and a nonsensical one once you think about it.  If police are so distracted by someone filming them in public, they either shouldn't be in that job or need better training.  It's hard to see how Posner's argument makes much sense, so I'm glad he was outvoted by his fellow judges, but his interpretation of the First Amendment is still worrisome.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120509/16490418853/federal-appeals-court-rejects-illinois-eavesdropping-law-as-likely-violating-first-amendment.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120509/16490418853/federal-appeals-court-rejects-illinois-eavesdropping-law-as-likely-violating-first-amendment.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120509/16490418853/federal-appeals-court-rejects-illinois-eavesdropping-law-as-likely-violating-first-amendment.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:46:21 PST</pubDate>
<title>Yet Another Court Says Illinois 'Eavesdropping' Law That Criminalizes Recording Police Is Unconstitutional</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've covered in great detail the ridiculous law in Illinois that makes it a crime to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">record police</a>, even while they're on duty, without their knowledge.  This seems crazy to us, and it appears the courts are agreeing.  Last fall, we noted that a state court had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml">ruled</a> the law was unconstitutional, and now (as pointed out by reader John Katos) <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-judge-rules-eavesdropping-law-unconstitutional-20120302,0,4122460.story" target="_blank">another local court has done the same</a>.
<blockquote><i>
Judge Stanley Sacks, who is assigned to the Criminal Courts Building, found the eavesdropping law unconstitutional because it potentially criminalizes &#8220;wholly innocent conduct.&#8221;
</i></blockquote>
Last we'd heard, Illinois prosecutors were <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml">appealing</a> the first ruling, and I imagine they won't be too happy about this ruling either.  But, at some point, it seems they <i>have</i> to recognize the ridiculousness of making it a crime to record police on the job.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120302/12363517959/yet-another-court-says-illinois-eavesdropping-law-that-criminalizes-recording-police-is-unconstitutional.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Guy Arrested, Threatened With 15 Years For Recording Traffic Stop In Illinois</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ With Illinois planning to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml">appeal the Michael Allison case</a>, in which the state wants to put Allison in jail for 75 years because he recorded an interaction with the police, it's worth pointing out that this is not the only such case in Illinois.  A few people have sent over this ABC report about another guy, Louis Frobe, who <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/special_segments&#038;id=8370540" target="_blank">was arrested and told he was facing 15 years in jail</a> for daring to turn on his Flip cam during a traffic stop.  You can see the video of the traffic stop in the news report below.  Yes, note the irony: the whole thing was recorded (without Frobe's permission) by the police car camera, but the second the officer sees the Flip cam, he tells Frobe he's committed a felony and arrests him:
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The key part:
<blockquote><i>
Frobe calls it the worst experience of his life. He was on his way to a late evening movie on an August night last year when he was stopped for speeding in far north suburban Lindenhurst. He didn't believe he was in a 35-mile-an-hour zone, and he figured if he was going to get ticket he wanted to be able to document his challenge with video evidence, so he got out his flip camera, which he was not very adept at using.
<br /><br />
At one point he held it out the window trying to record where he was. When the officer, being recorded on his squad dash cam, walked back to Frobe's car, the officer saw Frobe's camera.
<br /><br />
Officer: "That recording? Frobe : "Yes, Yes, I've been... Officer: "Was it recording all of our conversation? Frobe: "Yes. Officer: "Guess what? You were eavesdropping on our conversation. I did not give you permission to do so. Step out of the vehicle."
<br /><br />
Louis Frobe was then cuffed and arrested for felony eavesdropping.
</i></blockquote>
Yes, eavesdropping.  On himself.
<br /><br />
In this case, prosecutors eventually dropped the charges, but Frobe turned around and sued them for the arrest in the first place.  The Illinois Attorney General -- who still insists there's no First Amendment right to record the police -- has said Frobe's case should be dismissed since he has no standing.  Of course, this is a nearly identical fact pattern to the Glik case in Massachusetts, where the court not only allowed Glik to sue but <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110827/23285615713/appeals-court-arresting-guy-filming-cops-was-clear-violation-both-1st-4th-amendments.shtml">found 1st and 4th Amendment problems with the arrest</a>.  These are different circuits, so the ruling in Massachusetts doesn't directly act as precedent for Illinois, but it certainly can be cited and discussed.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110929/10325216136/guy-arrested-threatened-with-15-years-recording-traffic-stop-illinois.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Illinois Prosecutors Planning To Appeal Ruling That Said Recording Police Is Protected By The First Amendment</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Earlier this month, we wrote about the ridiculous <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">criminal case against Michael Allison</a>, who was facing 75  years in prison for the horrible crime of recording the police.  The details of the case made it quite clear that the charges against him were vindictive, in response to attempts by Allison to challenge a questionable fine he'd received.  Thankfully, an Illinois state court <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml">tossed out the lawsuit</a>, noting that the law pretty clearly violated the First Amendment.
<br /><br />
Of course, for whatever reason, Illinois state law enforcement has taken particular interest in the case, with the state Attorney General office coming in to help with the case, and the Illinois Assistant Attorney General flat out claiming that there's no First Amendment right to record police.  So, it should probably come as little surprise that <a href="http://www.robdailynews.com/main.asp?SectionID=2&#038;SubSectionID=2&#038;ArticleID=9114&#038;TM=71929.82" target="_blank">the state has indicated that it's planning to appeal the ruling</a> (via <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/radleybalko/statuses/118761453401538560" target="_blank">Radley Balko</a>).  Perhaps this isn't a surprise -- but it does suggest a really broken system where the state is so adamant in trying to vindictively punish a guy for defending his own rights.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110928/13075316126/illinois-prosecutors-planning-to-appeal-ruling-that-said-recording-police-is-protected-first-amendment.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>IL Court: Eavesdropping Law Violates First Amendment When Used Against People Recording The Police</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Geigner</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We were just discussing the ruling of a 7th circuit federal judge, Richard Posner, about a controversial Illinois eavesdropping case, in which <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml">His Honor seemed to fear</a> that allowing people to record interactions with police would...lead to people recording interactions with police. Or something. 
<blockquote>
<i>"If you permit the audio recordings, they'll be a lot more eavesdropping.&hellip;There's going to be a lot of this snooping around by reporters and bloggers," U.S. 7th Circuit Judge Richard Posner said. "Yes, it's a bad thing. There is such a thing as privacy."</i>
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To me, that sounds an awful lot like saying you can't increase the speed limit on a street to 65 MPH, because then more people will go 65 MPH. That's kind of the point.
<br /><br />
In any case, reader Mark informs us that an Illinois State Court has <a href="http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php?i=12153">gone the other way</a>, in <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">the Michael Allison case</a> we wrote about a couple weeks ago, ruling that the law <b>cannot apply</b> to interactions with police and court officials as it violates the 1st Amendment. In the Posner article, plenty of commentors (<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml#c95">myself included</a>), drew a line between private interactions between citizens and interactions with public officials, arguing that while administering to a public duty, officials ought not be able to hide behind the veil of privacy. Circuit Court Judge David Frankland outlined a similar, if more eloquent, assertion in his opinion:
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<i>&ldquo;'A statute intended to prevent unwarranted intrusions into a citizen's privacy cannot be used as a shield for public officials who cannot assert a comparable right of privacy in their public duties,' the judge wrote in his decision dismissing the five counts of eavesdropping charges against defendant Michael Allison."</i>
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I admit I struggle to see how anyone can disagree. When you're carrying out your public duty, your employer (the public) has a right to document what kind of job you're doing. While, as was Judge Frankland's opinion, we can make some exceptions for the sake of avoiding distractions (Allison actually tried to record in-court proceedings, a no-no), trying to make any of this a felony is downright silly.
<br /><br />
The public is the public servant's employer, afterall. And that includes the Justice System as well. It's nice to hear from a judge who hasn't seemed to have forgotten that.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110919/03455916010/il-court-eavesdropping-law-violates-first-amendment-when-used-against-people-recording-police.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:07:12 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Famed Appeals Court Judge Worries That Allowing People To Record Police Might Mean That People Actually Record The Police</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ While I definitely don't agree with famed 7th Circuit appeals court judge Richard Posner on everything, he's generally recognized as a smart judge with a strong libertarian belief and a recognition and understanding of real economic issues.  However, there are a few times when he seems to just reach a weird conclusion.  Case in point: in a case involving Illinois' somewhat ridiculous "eavesdropping" law, which makes you a criminal just for recording the police with a mobile phone, Judge Posner has suggested that letting people film police <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/09/14/judge-posner-fears-snooping-ar" target="_blank">is undesirable</a>:
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"If you permit the audio recordings, they'll be a lot more eavesdropping.&hellip;There's going to be a lot of this snooping around by reporters and bloggers," U.S. 7th Circuit Judge Richard Posner said. "Yes, it's a bad thing. There is such a thing as privacy."...
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Say what now?  We're talking about recording <i>public officials</i> who are paid with <i>taxpayer dollars</i> doing a job <i>in public</i>, and Posner is worried about their privacy rights?  Wouldn't it be a <i>good</i> thing for reporters and bloggers to be "snooping around" police if it turns up problems or corruption?  And, really, since other courts have already declared similar rules unconstitutional, and it hasn't rendered those kinds of states into this crazy dystopia that judge Posner envisions, shouldn't that be evidence that these "concerns" are out of touch with reality?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110916/03221115979/famed-appeals-court-judge-worries-that-allowing-people-to-record-police-might-mean-that-people-actually-record-police.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 2 Sep 2011 11:10:28 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Man Facing 75 Years In Jail For Recording The Police; Illinois Assistant AG Says No Right To Record Police</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Following on the news of a court in Massachusetts stating, clearly, that arresting someone for recording the police is a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110827/23285615713/appeals-court-arresting-guy-filming-cops-was-clear-violation-both-1st-4th-amendments.shtml">1st Amendment violation</a>, you'd hope that we'd start hearing fewer such stories.  And yet, as <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=nickburns">Nick Burns</a> alerts us (followed by a few more of you), over in Illinois, a guy named Michael Allison appears to be <a href="http://boingboing.net/2011/08/31/man-faces-75-years-for-recording-police.html" target="_blank">facing 75 years in prison for recording the police</a>.  Similar to other cases, the police charged him with illegal eavesdropping under <a href="http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+14&#038;ActID=1876&#038;ChapterID=53&#038;SeqStart=30900000&#038;SeqEnd=32700000" target="_blank">an Illinois state law</a> -- in this case, five felony counts, each of which could get 15 years in prison.
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Even worse, the Illinois Assistant Attorney General is arguing that there is no such thing as a right to film the police.  Shouldn't there be a rule that if you're totally ignorant of basic Constitutional rights, you don't get to be Attorney General of anything?  The Allison case is particularly nasty.  It seems clear that it's a vindictive response to the fact that Allison challenged a fine he got for working on unregistered cars on his mother's property.   As happens all too often in these types of cases, the prosecutors have been offering Allison plea bargain deals, and I'd imagine they'll keep doing that as public pressure gets stronger.  It's the only way to save face against a ridiculous prosecution.  Allison is refusing to accept any plea deal.
<br /><br />
Also, if you watch the video above, it really shows the kind of chilling effects these arrests have.  In the middle of the video, the news reporter comes across some law enforcement officials and asks them some questions, but the station's lawyers refuse to let the reporter play the audio on air... because it might violate the very same law on which the reporter is reporting.  Later on, they do show some law enforcement officials -- including the Assistant AG mentioned above -- but only because they believe there's an exception to the law for journalists "at public hearings."
<br /><br />
The ruling in Massachusetts doesn't directly apply here, as these are different circuits, but that doesn't mean the court can't or won't pay attention, and I'm sure Allison's lawyers will highlight the Glik ruling in court.  Hopefully, the Illinois court finds the logic compelling.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110902/04163415790/man-facing-75-years-jail-recording-police-illinois-assistant-ag-says-no-right-to-record-police.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>insanity</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:15:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Artist Facing 15 Years In Jail For The Crime Of Videotaping His Own Arrest</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110125/01445112810/artist-facing-15-years-jail-crime-videotaping-his-own-arrest.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Yesterday, we wrote about a woman who was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml">facing 15 years in jail</a> for using her cameraphone to videotape part of her effort to get Internal Affairs of the Chicago Police Department to investigate an officer, whom she claims sexually assaulted her.  Apparently, this sort of situation is not unique in Illinois.  Another story this week tells about an artist who set out to do a reasonable bit of civil disobedience: to protest a Chicago ordinance concerning where and when he could sell artwork on the street. He intended to get arrested for that misdemeanor by selling his art.  As part of this, he had a First Amendment lawyer with him... <i>and a video crew</i>.  Well, he did get arrested, but not for the misdemeanor of selling artwork in the wrong spot, but <A href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/22/artist-could-face-15-year_n_812596.html" target="_blank">for the same felony of eavesdropping</a> and is facing the same 15 years in prison as the woman we spoke about yesterday.  Apparently, a big part of the problem is Illinois' Eavesdropping Act, which seems to create this ridiculous situation.  Of course, the fact that prosecutors are actually moving forward with charges on such things is equally ridiculous.  It's a good reminder of a reason to stay away from Chicago.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110125/01445112810/artist-facing-15-years-jail-crime-videotaping-his-own-arrest.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110125/01445112810/artist-facing-15-years-jail-crime-videotaping-his-own-arrest.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110125/01445112810/artist-facing-15-years-jail-crime-videotaping-his-own-arrest.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>this-is-a-problem</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:02:33 PST</pubDate>
<title>Woman Arrested For Recording Attempt To Report Police Officer Who Sexually Assaulted Her</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've had a few stories about how police have been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100603/0859019675.shtml">abusing wiretap laws</a> to arrest people who video or audiotape the police, and here's a whopper of a case.  Apparently a woman named Tiawanda Moore <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/23/another-illinois-resident-char" target="_blank">has been arrested and faces 15 years in prison</a> in a case that goes to trial shortly.  Her "crime"?  Apparently, after being sexually assaulted by a Chicago police officer, she went to the Chicago Police Department's internal affairs group to report the officer.  After being pressured not to file a report, she pulled out her mobile phone and started recording what was going on.  The officers in the room saw this... and arrested her for eavesdropping.  Oh yeah, while her trial starts shortly, the officer she reported is still "being investigated."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110124/03395812790/woman-arrested-recording-attempt-to-report-police-officer-who-sexually-assaulted-her.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>feeling-safer?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:23:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Illinois Says Sex Offenders Can't Use Social Networks</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Mark alerts us to the news that Illinois has approved a new law that <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-quinn-internet-12-aug12,0,671658.story" target="_blank">bans registered sex offenders from social networking sites</a>.  Now, I have no sympathy for anyone who uses a social networking site to approach kids for such nefarious purposes, but this seems like a rather broad brush for a variety of reasons.  First, considering how many sites have added "social networking" features lately, this could block out a rather large portion of the internet.  Hell, just recently Google announced new <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-scream-you-scream-we-all-scream-for.html" target="_blank">social features</a> for its iGoogle homepage.  Second, the vast majority of registered sex offenders weren't convicted of trying to entice a kid via a social network.  Completely blocking all of those people from social networks seems rather pointless.  Finally, the whole idea that social networks are some sort of breeding ground for predators is a moral panic made up by the press.  Studies have shown that the common story of a predator getting online, pretending to be a kid, and befriending "targets" and "grooming" them is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080218/232906285.shtml">mostly a myth</a>.  That's not to say it hasn't happened, but it's quite rare, and the best way to deal with it is simply to educate kids on how to deal with strangers.  Most are <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060809/1324238.shtml">smart enough</a> to deal with the issue on their own.  But, of course, that doesn't make for good headlines for politicians who want to make sure everyone knows they're "protecting the children."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090813/1553575869.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090813/1553575869.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090813/1553575869.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>ok,-but...</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 5 Mar 2009 12:03:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Illinois Sheriff Sues Craigslist For Prostitution; Apparently Unaware Of The Law</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090305/1137094010.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ If you're the sheriff, aren't you supposed to understand at least the basics of the law?  Apparently not in Cook County, Illinois.  Sheriff Thomas Dart is now <a href="http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03/sheriffs-lawsuit-says-craiglist-largest-source-of-prostitution.html" target="_new">suing Craigslist because it's "the single largest source of prostitution in the nation."</a>  Of course, we've been through some of this before.  Atlanta's mayor mistakenly <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20070822/192753.shtml">blamed</a> Craigslist for prostitution a while back, but didn't do anything about it.  Some Attorneys General were threatening to do stuff, so Craigslist finally <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081106/1016092757.shtml">changed its policies</a> last year.  Of course, as expected, all that did was make prostitutes <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/index/articles/20081108/1727332770.shtml">disperse</a> to other sites.  In other words: same amount of prostitution, just a lot more difficult to catch.
<br /><br />
There have been <i>some</i> officials who recognize this.  Some police officers have realized that Craigslist certainly isn't to blame, and is, in fact, a <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20070905/001541.shtml">great tool</a> for tracking and <i>catching</i> prostitutes.  Hell, even Dart's own staff has regularly used Craigslist as a tool to crack down on prostitution.  His own office says it's used Craigslist to bust at least 75 prostitutes in the last 18 months.  Rather than <i>suing</i> Craigslist, he should be <i>thanking</i> Craigslist for making it so easy to catch these prostitutes.  It seems unlikely that this lawsuit will go very far.  Craigslist is almost certainly protected by Section 230 safe harbors as the service provider.  You would think that a sheriff that used the tool successfully for so long could recognize this... but apparently Dart would rather it be more difficult to find and arrest prostitutes.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090305/1137094010.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090305/1137094010.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090305/1137094010.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>lookup-section-230-please...</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:13:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Illinois Legislator Tries To Amend Video Game Law That Was Deemed Unconstitutional</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090130/0249003582.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Illinois was one of the early ones in a long list of states that tried and failed to set up anti-video game laws.  It was (I think) either the second or third such law to then be <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051202/197233.shtml">thrown out</a> as unconstitutional.  Since then, nine or ten more states have all tried and failed to implement similar laws.  However, it looks like one legislator in Illinois hasn't been paying much attention.  He's <a href="http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/01/29/legislator-tries-amend-game-law-no-longer-exists" target="_new">trying to add some more clauses to the law</a>, more than three years after it was rejected as unconstitutional.  Of course, if he was looking to amend it in a way that fixed the unconstitutional part, you might understand it.  But, he's not.  He's just adding more restrictions to a law that has been deemed unenforceable.  Another great moment in politics.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090130/0249003582.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090130/0249003582.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090130/0249003582.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>but-not-to-fix-it</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:27:48 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Why Is Illinois Only Concerned About Canceling Online Gaming Services?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080805/1357361897.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ An anonymous reader points us to the news that the state of Illinois has passed a law in response to the complaint of one individual that it was extremely difficult to cancel his online subscription to the game Final Fantasy XI.  So, now it's been added to the state's consumer fraud law that <a href="http://kotaku.com/5032004/illinois-law-spurred-by-final-fantasy-xi-cancellation-issues" target="_new">any online game needs to offer an easy online way to cancel the service</a>.  That's all well and good, but I'm wondering why it's limited only to online games?  If you're going to go that far, why not focus on any online subscription service?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080805/1357361897.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080805/1357361897.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080805/1357361897.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>a-bit-narrowly-focused,-don't-you-think?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 7 Apr 2008 06:46:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Next Thing To Ban: Walking While Talking On A Mobile Phone</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/144230741.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last month we pointed to some <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080304/011050427.shtml">recent studies</a> about how people walking while talking on mobile phones tend to do things that are riskier than those not talking on mobile phones and jokingly asked when politicians would start proposing bans on walking-while-talking, to go along with the popular bans on driving while talking.  It didn't take long at all, actually.  <a href="http://blogcampaigning.com">Parker Mason</a> writes in to let us know that an Illinois lawmaker <a href="http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/2008/04/019631.htm" target="_new">has proposed a ban on talking on a mobile phone while in a crosswalk</a>.  Combine that with jaywalking and you could really piss off a person who wasn't actually doing something dangerous.  Actually, this isn't the first time such a thing has been proposed.  Last year a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070207/064102.shtml">similar law</a> was proposed in New York, though I don't believe it went anywhere.  It's nice that politicians want to protect people, but at some point you really have to ask why people can't take responsibilities for their own actions?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/144230741.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/144230741.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080403/144230741.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>no-chatting-for-you</slash:department>
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