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<pubDate>Thu, 3 Jan 2013 12:33:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Guy Claims Pinterest Is A Ripoff Of His Failed, Unrelated Site</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ By now, everyone should be familiar with the crazy story of the Winklevoss twins, who claimed Mark Zuckerberg "stole" their idea to create Facebook.  Over time, other companies have seen similar claims of "copying," usually after someone who was a total flop in the market gets jealous of someone who built a real company.  The latest example is Pinterest, which has now been <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20121228/pinterest-sued-by-former-business-partner-of-early-investor/" target="_blank">accused of "stealing" the idea</a> through a path so convoluted it may take a map to work out the details.
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Here's the short version, as far as I can tell, and unless there are more details, it seems likely that this is going to get laughed out of court (hopefully with sanctions for filing an obviously bogus lawsuit).  Basically, a guy (Theodore Schroeder) started a site you never heard of (called RendezVoo) in which people could "share their locations" (sounds like they should be suing FourSquare, not Pinterest).  That site wasn't getting much traction, but they planned a version two, where people could "share opinions, views, items and tastes on a variety of subjects" like, well, pretty much any other site on the internet.  This site included "boards" that people could post stuff too and also had "infinite scrolling" when an alpha was released in August of 2006.
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Months later, Schroeder met Ben Cohen, an investor in startups in NYC, who apparently told them he didn't understand what they were trying to do with RendezVoo, but brainstormed up a totally unrelated and different concept, whereby startups could "launch" new products via a sort of wire service.  Schroeder and his other partners (who continued to work day jobs) completely dumped their RendezVoo plans and worked out something new, called Skoopwire (originally Scoopwire,  until they realized someone else had the domain).  With this plan in hand, they signed up Cohen to be a partner, taking on the role of Chairman (and promising to put in a little bit of money).  Over the course of a few months, not much appeared to happen, and after Cohen (quite reasonably) pointed out that it was silly for the other partners in the project to still be working day jobs rather than focusing on the project, it went dormant.
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Months later, Cohen apparently met the founders of Pinterest and became their first investor.  At the time, they were still figuring out what their product would be.  This is where Schroeder and his lawyers take a massive logic leap in claiming that Cohen "stole" all of Schroeder's ideas and gave them to Pinterest's founders.  This is based on... almost nothing of substance.  The claims are basically that Pinterest has "infinite scrolling," that it has "boards" and that they used a "pink and purple color scheme to attract female users."  Of course, none of that is even remotely "protectable."  Those are basic ideas that are found all over the place.
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Hell, a quick Google search shows that <a href="http://www.infinite-scroll.com/the-history-of-infinite-scroll/" target="_blank">"infinite scroll"</a> first showed up well over a year earlier, and at nearly the same exact time as Schroeder launched the new version of RendezVoo with infinite scroll, Microsoft's Live.com image search had the feature.  In other words, "infinite scroll" -- especially for images -- was already popping up in a variety of places. It's ridiculous to think that Cohen -- who, again, insisted he didn't understand RendezVoo and told the team to build an entirely different product -- "stole" the idea and sat on it for a year and a half to give to some other entrepreneurs who somehow failed to see a ton of other sites using infinite scroll by that point.  Similarly the idea of organizing a web page as a "board" was hardly new at this time, and let's not even bother discussing the idea of making a site "pink and purple."
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Also, like pretty much every similar claim we've seen in the past, it involves someone completely overvaluing the idea and ignoring that it's the execution, not the idea, that matters in innovation.  Pinterest isn't a success because of "boards" or "infinite scrolling" or "purple and pink" but because it built a great service that people like -- something Schroeder didn't do.  Also, note that tons of <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/pinterest-clone-copy-alternative-sites_n_1291305.html" target="_blank">Pinterest clones</a> have popped up in the wake of Pinterest's success, but you don't see Pinterest suing, rather continuing to build out their product. 
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The whole thing seems like sour grapes from a failed entrepreneur because someone else succeeded with a totally different idea, and he saw a weak connection to use as the basis of a lawsuit.  
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Randomly, the AllThingsD article above notes one other oddity: Schroeder's lawyers insist that he's a "self-taught computer genius," but there aren't any records of him online.  ATD's Liz Gannes couldn't find any trace of him on the web, which seems odd for someone who claims to be an internet entrepreneur and knowledgeable about what's new in social networking.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130102/01504521536/guy-claims-pinterest-is-ripoff-his-failed-unrelated-site.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130102/01504521536/guy-claims-pinterest-is-ripoff-his-failed-unrelated-site.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130102/01504521536/guy-claims-pinterest-is-ripoff-his-failed-unrelated-site.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:24:44 PST</pubDate>
<title>EU Advocate General: 'Functionalities Of A Computer Program Cannot Be Protected By Copyright'</title>
<dc:creator>Glyn Moody</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Back in September, Techdirt <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110923/12361216076/is-creating-same-software-feature-copyright-infringement.shtml">wrote</a> about an important case that had been passed up to the European Court of Justice.  It raised some key questions about creating software that was interoperable with an existing program &ndash; whether, for example, the features of the latter were in some sense copyrightable.
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Although the full Court decision won't be out until next year, one of the Court of Justice's Advocates General (there are eight of them, "<a href="http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/court-justice/index_en.htm">to present opinions on the cases brought before the Court</a>") has published his views on the case [<a href="http://curia.europa.eu/jcms/jcms/P_83250/">pdf</a>]:
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In the first place, with regard to the functionality of a computer program, the Advocate General defines it as the set of possibilities offered by a computer system &ndash; in other words, the service which the user expects from it.
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Starting from that premiss, the Advocate General <b>considers that the functionalities of a computer program are not eligible, as such, for copyright protection</b>. The functionalities of a computer program are in fact dictated by a specific and limited purpose. In this, they are similar to ideas. That is why there may be a number of computer programs offering the same functionalities.
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That seems like common sense: the functionality of a program is just something that it can do, which is itself just an idea.  The Advocate General then goes on to make a very important point:
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if it were accepted that a functionality of a computer program can be protected as such, that would amount to making it possible to monopolise ideas, to the detriment of technological progress and industrial development.
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The thing is, exactly the same could be said about software patents too.  One of the problems with them is that they often concern basic programming techniques, and as such give the patent holder a monopoly on those key ideas.  It's why copyright &ndash; which protects the implementation of ideas &ndash; is more appropriate than patents, since it does not block alternative ways of creating the same effect.  It's also why markets like smartphones have turned into impenetrable <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20101007/22591311328/meet-the-patent-thicket-who-s-suing-who-for-smartphone-patents.shtml">patent thickets</a>.
<br /><br />
This is not the final judgment of the European Court of Justice, although the Advocate General's opinion does carry considerable weight.  Moreover, even the European Court of Justice does not decide the case definitively, but merely offers its interpretation of European law.  It is ultimately down to the national court in the UK to use that ruling to make its own judgment.  So there's still a long way to go before this case and the issues that it raises are settled.  But it's definitely off to a good start with this opinion: had the Advocate General opined differently, creating interoperable programs in Europe would have started to look a much more perilous &ndash; and expensive &ndash; undertaking.
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It's also worth noting that there is a very similar case going through the courts in the US: <a href="http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/08/oracle-scorns-open-source-how-to-respond/index.htm">Oracle has accused Google of infringing on its Java copyrights</a> in much the same way that SAS accused WPL in Europe.  It will be interesting to see whether the US judge agrees with the Advocate General's analysis.  
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<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 15:00:23 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Crazy Coincidence, Plagiarism, Or An Obvious Idea For An Electric Car Ad?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110917/01081315991/could-ad-agencies-come-up-with-identical-idea-commercial.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ David points us to this fantastic post by Ken Segall, entitled <a href="http://kensegall.com/blog/2011/09/creativity-has-many-fathers/" target="_blank">Creativity has many fathers</a>, and analyzing the story of two car commercials that seem quite similar.  The first, for the Nissan LEAF, is below:
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The two ads debuted within days of each other.  You might note some similarities.  Or, actually, a <i>ton</i> of similarities.  My first response was to remember that Nissan and Renault are connected at the hip in a slightly odd <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault-Nissan_Alliance" target="_blank">non-merger alliance</a> where each company owns a substantial stake in the other.  However, the two companies are still mostly separate, and their marketing is apparently entirely separate.  More specifically, the two ads were developed by two different ad agencies -- and apparently neither is particularly happy about this, with each suggesting the other "plagiarized" the ad.  However, neither has been too vocal about this publicly, and no legal action has been threatened.
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Segall digs up the possible reason why, in the form of one more ad... for the Mitsubishi i-Miev.  This commercial came out way before the other two:
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Yeah, it's kind of tough to claim someone else plagiarized you, when your ad looks like a blatant copy of yet someone else's...
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Perhaps the reality is that this idea was just so obvious that three different ad agencies came up with it.  It's not hard to see how a brainstorming session might come up with exactly this concept pretty easily.  Or perhaps there really was some copying.  But, in the end, does it really matter?  As Segall notes about all three ads, "Wow, what a fantastic concept."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110917/01081315991/could-ad-agencies-come-up-with-identical-idea-commercial.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110917/01081315991/could-ad-agencies-come-up-with-identical-idea-commercial.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110917/01081315991/could-ad-agencies-come-up-with-identical-idea-commercial.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>seems-possible</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:49:16 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Some Old Guy Can't Come Up With Any New Ideas; So He Says There Are No New Ideas &#038; It's Twitter's Fault</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110815/03373215524/some-old-guy-cant-come-up-with-any-new-ideas-so-he-says-there-are-no-new-ideas-its-twitters-fault.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Quite a week for the luddites out there.  First we get Rob Levine's <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110815/00490015520/latest-entrant-into-economically-clueless-luddite-internet-is-evil-book-category.shtml">silly screed</a> about the internet killing off a bunch of industries that are actually thriving.  And now we have the NY Times publishing absolute tripe from Neal Gabler, bizarrely and ridiculously claiming that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/14/opinion/sunday/the-elusive-big-idea.html?_r=1&#038;hpw=&#038;pagewanted=all" target="_blank">the age of "big ideas" is over</a>, and it's all the fault of Twitter and Facebook.  It's incredible that the NY Times would publish such absolute garbage.  Nowhere does Gabler actually support his thesis. 
<br /><br />
It's yet another example of "back in the old days" mythological thinking, where someone, who only remembers the "highlights" of a bygone era, is upset that there's a lot of other stuff going on in the modern era as well.  Gabler points to a bunch of "big thinkers" from the past -- Einstein, Carl Sagan, Stephen Jay Gould, Betty Friedan and others.  And then insists that no one like that is showing up today -- or if they are, they're being ignored.  This is, plainly speaking, ridiculous.  He points to Richard Dawkins, Steven Pinker and Jonathan Haidt as "big thinkers" of today who are mostly ignored.  Really?!?  All three are pretty widely known, and I'd bet are pretty much equally known in the world as his initial list at similar points in their life and career.  Gabler just seems to have an arbitrary standard of how well known certain "big thinkers" are.
<br /><br />
The real crux of Gabler's argument appears to be that we're all doing too much of that <i>tweeting</i> and stuff, such that we no longer have time to <i>think</i>.  And his scientific evidence to back this up is... oh look, <i>absolutely nothing</i>.  
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It is certainly no accident that the post-idea world has sprung up alongside the social networking world. Even though there are sites and blogs dedicated to ideas, Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, Flickr, etc., the most popular sites on the Web, are basically information exchanges, designed to feed the insatiable information hunger, though this is hardly the kind of information that generates ideas. It is largely useless except insofar as it makes the possessor of the information feel, well, informed. Of course, one could argue that these sites are no different than conversation was for previous generations, and that conversation seldom generated big ideas either, and one would be right.
<br /><br />
BUT the analogy isn&rsquo;t perfect. For one thing, social networking sites are the primary form of communication among young people, and they are supplanting print, which is where ideas have typically gestated. For another, social networking sites engender habits of mind that are inimical to the kind of deliberate discourse that gives rise to ideas. Instead of theories, hypotheses and grand arguments, we get instant 140-character tweets about eating a sandwich or watching a TV show. While social networking may enlarge one&rsquo;s circle and even introduce one to strangers, this is not the same thing as enlarging one&rsquo;s intellectual universe. Indeed, the gab of social networking tends to shrink one&rsquo;s universe to oneself and one&rsquo;s friends, while thoughts organized in words, whether online or on the page, enlarge one&rsquo;s focus. 
</i></blockquote>
Can't there just be a rule?  If you <i>ever</i> trash Twitter because someone tweets about eating a sandwich for lunch, we all just agree that person is too clueless to listen to any more?  That tired old line has been used so often and the only thing it shows is one's ignorance of Twitter.
<br /><br />
But more to the point, Gabler is reminiscing about a world that never existed.  "Instead of theories, hypotheses and grand arguments, we get instant 140-character tweets about eating a sandwich or watching a TV show."  And in what world did millions of people sit around and discuss theories, hypotheses and grand arguments?  Sure there are some places where some people did that, and they still do.  In fact, those "theories, hypotheses and grand arguments" appear to happen much more frequently, in much more detail and with a wider audience online these days.  I often find out about them <i>via the smart people I follow on Twitter</i>.
<br /><br />
And while social media may not have enlarged Gabler's intellectual universe, it has massively enlarged mine.  Thanks to Twitter specifically, I've been able to meet tons of fascinatingly smart people I never would have met otherwise.  Sure, not all of it is brilliant talk, but Gabler seems to make the same fundamental error that so many "back in my day" people make: which is to assume that because a tool can be used for random conversation that somehow cancels out intelligent conversation.  I can talk about the sandwich I ate for lunch <i>and</i> I can discuss big intellectually stimulating ideas.
<br /><br />
But Gabler seems to have this view that because some people discuss stuff he finds beneath him, they can't possibly <i>also</i> be discussing important stuff.  He also seems to ignore that back in his mythical "good old days" people discussed equally as ridiculous things:
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The collection itself is exhausting: what each of our friends is doing at that particular moment and then the next moment and the next one; who Jennifer Aniston is dating right now; which video is going viral on YouTube this hour; what Princess Letizia  or Kate Middleton is wearing that day. In effect, we are living within the nimbus of an informational Gresham&rsquo;s law in which trivial information pushes out significant information, but it is also an ideational Gresham&rsquo;s law in which information, trivial or not, pushes out ideas. 
</i></blockquote>
If Gabler thinks that there wasn't similar gossip and banal discussions back when he wasn't an old man screaming at kids on his lawn, he apparently wasn't paying very close attention to what the people around him were discussing.  There are plenty of "big ideas" out there, contrary to Gabler's claim, but the only really stupid one I've seen lately is this one... from Gabler.  With that I'm going back to reading some more interesting and thought provoking ideas... which I most likely found on Twitter.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110815/03373215524/some-old-guy-cant-come-up-with-any-new-ideas-so-he-says-there-are-no-new-ideas-its-twitters-fault.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110815/03373215524/some-old-guy-cant-come-up-with-any-new-ideas-so-he-says-there-are-no-new-ideas-its-twitters-fault.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110815/03373215524/some-old-guy-cant-come-up-with-any-new-ideas-so-he-says-there-are-no-new-ideas-its-twitters-fault.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>is-this-crap-worth-publishing?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:06:54 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Guy Who Claims To Have Come Up With Kung Fu Panda Loses In Court</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17531915250/guy-who-claims-to-have-come-up-with-kung-fu-panda-loses-court.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ With pretty much every super successful book, movie or TV show, someone pops up out of the woodwork to claim that it was really "their" idea, and they deserve some ridiculously large cut of the revenue.  In the case of the movie <i>Kung Fu Panda</i>, we've already seen at least <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110218/01443513161/multiple-lawsuits-multiple-people-who-all-say-they-came-up-with-kung-fu-panda.shtml">two different people claim credit</a>.  The first one has gone to trial... and lost.  The jury actually found that Dreamworks had entered into an "implied" contract with writer Terrence Dunn... but then also found that <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/jury-sides-dreamworks-animation-kung-215019" target="_blank">they didn't actually use any of his ideas</a>, so it didn't matter.  These kinds of lawsuits really are nuisance suits, but rather than go back to obscurity, Dunn has already announced plans to appeal.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17531915250/guy-who-claims-to-have-come-up-with-kung-fu-panda-loses-court.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17531915250/guy-who-claims-to-have-come-up-with-kung-fu-panda-loses-court.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110725/17531915250/guy-who-claims-to-have-come-up-with-kung-fu-panda-loses-court.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>too-bad,-so-sad</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:07:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>University Of Copenhagen Giving Away Patents For Free... If You Have A Credible Plan</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110711/03143715041/university-copenhagen-giving-away-patents-free-if-you-have-credible-plan.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've talked in the past about the whole concept of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080911/0304512236.shtml">tech transfer</a> offices at universities.  This was an idea that became popular a couple decades back, that universities, with all their researchers, could create a <i>profit center</i> by licensing or selling the patents that come from university research.  The reality is that this has been a dismal failure.  Most universities (like many patent holders who aren't actually building products in the marketplace) totally and completely overvalue their patents, making it completely uneconomical for anyone to license the patents.  In the end, this has made the vast majority of tech transfer offices <i>cost centers</i> rather than profit centers.  They hired lots of people, which is expensive, and they haven't seen much of a return on it.
<br /><br />
Even worse, this focus on <i>locking up</i> knowledge and research from universities has been disastrous on actual advancement and the spreading of knowledge, which many of these universities claim is a key goal.  Professors are told not to share results or data or plans with professors at other universities, for fear of "losing out" on a patent.  The whole academic culture of sharing and building on each others' knowledge is held back tremendously.  It's a huge shame.
<br /><br />
Thankfully, a few universities are realizing this and are starting to push back.  Last year, we noted that the University of Glasgow was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101202/03005312092/university-glasgow-frees-up-research-instead-trying-to-sell-it-all.shtml">freeing up most of its "intellectual property,"</a> for anyone who could use it.  And, now, hrusha alerts us to the news that the University of Copenhagen (known as KU) is <a href="http://www.cphpost.dk/news/technology/51884-light-bulbs-invented--all-you-have-to-do-is-sell-it.html" target="_blank">offering free licenses to anyone who can present a "credible" plan</a> for bringing a product to market within 3 years.
<br /><br />
It's not a totally open and free system, but it's certainly better than most.  The encouragement on commercialization will hopefully help get the practical implications of the research out into the marketplace quickly.  I'm not so sure how they determine what is and what is not a "credible plan," so hopefully they err on the side of granting such licenses whenever possible.  Hopefully more and more universities will begin to realize that locking up research and expecting to get paid for it is a dead end road that goes against the core principles of most institutes of higher learning.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110711/03143715041/university-copenhagen-giving-away-patents-free-if-you-have-credible-plan.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110711/03143715041/university-copenhagen-giving-away-patents-free-if-you-have-credible-plan.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110711/03143715041/university-copenhagen-giving-away-patents-free-if-you-have-credible-plan.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 7 Jul 2011 09:35:14 PDT</pubDate>
<title>We Need To Let Go Of The Idea That Our Creations Are Utterly Ours</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've written about Kirby Ferguson's excellent <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110622/13344514806/everything-is-remix-invention-edition.shtml">Everything Is A Remix</a> project, and the folks over at On The Media have a <a href="http://www.onthemedia.org/blogs/on-the-media/2011/jul/01/qna-kirby-ferguson/" target="_blank">nice interview with Ferguson</a>.  The whole thing is worth a read (it's pretty short, actually), but there were two great quotes that I thought were worth highlighting.  He's asked if he's "sympathetic" to copyright holders, and responds:
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I'm sympathetic to most of them. It's natural in our culture to want to protect what you feel you worked hard for or invested in. Unfortunately, <b>I don't think it's as natural to be aware of the innumerable ways we take from our culture in order to create these things. We need to let go of the idea that our creations are utterly ours.</b> Creating something new entitles us to some rights, but not to perpetual monopoly, which is the direction we're headed in.
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That bolded part is the key.  People have a natural inclination to give themselves more credit for their own work, and diminish the contributions of everyone who came before them whose work was instrumental to their own.  I definitely recognize the natural instincts there as well, but I agree with Ferguson that it's important, culturally, to get past that.
<br /><br />
He's also asked where he'd like to see things go "culturally in terms of copyright and patent laws" and he answers:
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<b>I think we have to stop conceiving of remixing as a kind of theft. It's not theft, it's not piracy, it's a legitimate effort to make something new.</b> That effort deserves some respect, if not for the results, then for the intent. So I think step one is to stop treating remixing as theft and bring the penalties for unauthorized remixing back down to earth.
</i></blockquote>
This can't be said enough, even though it's rarely said at all.  I've explained in the past how insulting it is for people to make criticisms like "create your own!" when they see amazing creative new works built by remixing the works of those who came before.  If you can't respect <a hreF="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110323/02383113591/if-this-is-piracy-then-i-support-piracy.shtml">amazing creations</a> built off of others' work as being something amazing and <i>new</i>, then you lead a culturally deficient life.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110702/01332514942/we-need-to-let-go-idea-that-our-creations-are-utterly-ours.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110702/01332514942/we-need-to-let-go-idea-that-our-creations-are-utterly-ours.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110702/01332514942/we-need-to-let-go-idea-that-our-creations-are-utterly-ours.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:23:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Just Because Two Things Are Similar Doesn't Mean One 'Rips Off' The Other</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I was recently alerted to the fact that comic artist Kate Beaton <a href="http://twitpic.com/5i51ig" target="_blank">got quite upset</a> at a guy named Chris Bouldin, claiming that he had somehow "ripped her off" with a graphic he had created for a t-shirt.
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<img src="http://i.imgur.com/iyrrs.png" width=560 />
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So, let's take a look at the "ripoff."  Here's Kate's drawing:
<center>
<img src="http://i.imgur.com/hOGCA.gif" width=400 />
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And here's Chris's supposed ripoff:
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<img src="http://i.imgur.com/p3zEN.png" />
</center>
Huh?  Am I missing something here?  They may be similar ideas, but otherwise they're pretty different all around.  As we recently pointed out, different people come up with the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110521/16034014377/yes-multiple-people-come-up-with-same-joke-its-not-stealing-not-even-copying.shtml">same jokes</a> <i>all the time</i>, and it's not a "ripoff" at all.  Even if Chris had seen Kate's original, his work is quite different, and hardly a ripoff in any way shape or form.
<br /><br />
Repeat it with me: You cannot own an idea.
<br /><br />
And yet, so many people like to think they can, even when it's a totally simplistic idea that lots of other people also likely had.  And, apparently blogs are springing up to "call out" people who "ripoff" others.  First, in the comments to Kate's complaint, someone suggests submitting the story to <a href="http://youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com/blog3/" target="_blank">You Thought We Wouldn't Notice</a>, which is a blog that tries to call out and shame cases where they believe there's been "a blatant rip off of a creative work."  And, just as I was going through that blog and shaking my head at the sheer disingenuousness of it, <a href="http://blogcampaigning.com/" target="_blank">Parker</a> sent over a very similar (if much more obnoxiously named) blog, <a href="http://copycunts.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">Copy&copy;unts</a>.  That one mainly focuses on ad agencies doing things similar to what others have done.
<br /><br />
Now, to be clear, I've always pointed out in the past that sometimes <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101104/09091511726/how-cooks-source-magazine-learned-that-reputation-is-a-scarce-good-as-reddit-applies-the-social-mores-of-justice.shtml">shaming someone</a> for blatant copying can be much more effective than reaching for the old "copyright" claim.  You only have one reputation (it's a scarce good!), and if it goes bad, there are consequences.  That's why <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110627/17393014876/is-copyright-needed-to-stop-plagiarism.shtml">social pressure</a> can be much more effective than a legal attack to deal with questionable behavior.
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But, here's the thing, these sites and efforts really seem to stretch the definition of what's "questionable."  As seen in the very example up top, just because two people have a similar idea, that doesn't mean that one is a "ripoff" or that the person should be shamed.  Lots of people have similar ideas, and even if one person is inspired by another, taking a stab at doing something different and unique around the same theme shouldn't be seen as a ripoff at all.
<br /><br />
Certainly, some of the items that appear on both blogs do appear to be clear attempts to appropriate someone else's work in questionable ways and I can see how naming and shaming them might make some sense.  But a lot of them really just appear to be similar ideas, or even very different attempts to build on a good idea.  Take, for example, <a href="http://copycunts.blogspot.com/2011/06/joe-miller-tristan-cornelius-graham.html" target="_blank">this post</a>, which compares a bit of artwork of a little boy crying, with an advertisement that includes a boy crying:
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<img src="http://i.imgur.com/IwzJh.jpg" />
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<img src="http://i.imgur.com/eInLx.jpg" />
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Again, I'm at a loss here.  Yes, they're both boys, and there's a blue background in both images... but that's about it.   Suggesting that one is a "copy" of the other seems ridiculous.
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And that's where these things start to become so troubling for me.  They seem to become less about calling out misappropriation situations, and much more about pretending that an <i>idea</i> can be owned.  Unfortunately, efforts like these merely perpetuate the myth that you can own an idea (even if others come up with the same thing independently).  And that's really troubling.
<br /><br />
Hell, if we're going to go down that route, can't we just say that one of these two blogs "ripped" off the other?  After all, they seem to have the same basic idea, and the posts actually have a very familiar feel to them.  So, damn it, what a ripoff!  Everyone complain to one of these sites about how the other one "ripped them off!"  It'll be so meta.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110629/02420114901/just-because-two-things-are-similar-doesnt-mean-one-rips-off-other.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110629/02420114901/just-because-two-things-are-similar-doesnt-mean-one-rips-off-other.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110629/02420114901/just-because-two-things-are-similar-doesnt-mean-one-rips-off-other.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:10:36 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Winklevii Trying Again: Suing Facebook Yet Again With A Different Argument</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Yesterday, we had a story about how the Winklevoss twins had finally realized that they had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110622/17354114817/winklevii-finally-realize-that-appealing-to-supreme-court-is-lost-cause-will-have-to-live-with-just-160-million.shtml">no chance</a> to get a Supreme Court appeal of their own attempt to back out of a "settlement deal" with Facebook that made them at least $160 million richer (probably more by now).  Like most people who read that story, we assumed that the Winklevii and partner Divya Narendra, had simply decided to take their millions and sulk.  Instead, it looks like they are simply <b>trying again</b> with a different legal strategy.
<br><br>
Yes, a day after admitting that they wouldn't file a Supreme Court appeal, they instead <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/06/winklevoss-twins-not-backing-down-press-their-case-against-facebook-in-boston-federal-court-.html" target="_blank">made a new filing in the district court in Boston</a>, once again attacking the settlement agreement (which they had agreed to), asking the judge to investigate if Facebook "intentionally or inadvertently suppressed evidence."
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It is true that some instant messages that Zuckerberg wrote while he was supposed to be working with the Winklevii emerged after the settlement had been agreed to.  The Winklevii didn't focus on those in their original attempt to back out of the settlement, instead claiming that Facebook had mislead them about the value of Facebook shares.  However, now it appears they're starting again using the instant messages as evidence, and claiming that Facebook withheld the relevant evidence, and saying that they wouldn't have settled if they'd seen that evidence.
<br><br>
The thing is, while the evidence does make Mark Zuckerberg look like a jerk, I'm not sure it actually helps the Winklevii's overall argument. And, frankly, the whole thing remains totally pointless.  The Winklevii failed to build a serious competitor, but we're talking about what was effectively the first few months of both companies (Facebook and ConnectU).  Nothing about that means that they should get any credit whatsoever for what Facebook became.  The fact that they already got $160+ million out of this is more than enough for their own failure to build a successful company.  They should drop this effort, and maybe spend some time -- and maybe some of their piles of money -- looking into ways to deflate their massive sense of entitlement for something they had nothing to do with.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110623/15581414833/winklevii-trying-again-suing-facebook-yet-again-with-different-argument.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110623/15581414833/winklevii-trying-again-suing-facebook-yet-again-with-different-argument.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110623/15581414833/winklevii-trying-again-suing-facebook-yet-again-with-different-argument.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 22:18:58 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Winklevii Finally Realize That Appealing To The Supreme Court Is A Lost Cause; Will Have To Live With 'Just' $160 Million</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ When the Winklevoss twins <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/16353914289/winklevii-lose-again-only-choice-now-is-supreme-court-appeal-accept-just-160-million.shtml">lost</a> at the appeals court for the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml">second</a> time, I had hoped that someone would sit them down and explain to them that there was simply no freaking way the Supreme Court would bother to hear an appeal on their case, in which they complain about how they settled for "only" $160 million for building a company that wasn't Facebook and wasn't very popular.  And yet, they still insisted that they <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/23392614292/winklevii-promise-to-appeal-to-supreme-court.shtml">would appeal</a>.  I'm not sure who did it, but it appears that <i>someone</i> finally sat them down and explained to them how the Supreme Court works, what kinds of cases it takes, and how it would almost certainly react to a petition to hear their case... and it's finally dawned on them that this would be a good time to take the money (which is probably worth even more now thanks to Facebook's continued growth) and say, "thank you."  Yes, it's true, the Winklevii have finally realized what the rest of the world realized a while ago: the case is done and <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/winklevoss-twins-finally-give-up-fighting-facebook/1657" target="_blank">there will be no appeal to the Supreme Court</a>.  I guess that storyline is now out of the running for the sequel movie to <i>The Social Network</i>.  Thankfully, we've still got <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110526/22222014447/facebook-once-again-says-that-ceglias-claim-to-own-84-facebook-is-fraud.shtml">Paul Ceglia running around</a>, and his story is a lot more entertaining anyway.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110622/17354114817/winklevii-finally-realize-that-appealing-to-supreme-court-is-lost-cause-will-have-to-live-with-just-160-million.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110622/17354114817/winklevii-finally-realize-that-appealing-to-supreme-court-is-lost-cause-will-have-to-live-with-just-160-million.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110622/17354114817/winklevii-finally-realize-that-appealing-to-supreme-court-is-lost-cause-will-have-to-live-with-just-160-million.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:39:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Ideas Do Matter, But That Has Nothing To Do With 'Intellectual Property'</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/glynmoody/statuses/78031645315317761" target="_blank">Glyn Moody</a> points us to a website put together by Microsoft, Philips and DSM -- three giant companies that have relied heavily on intellectual property laws to fend off upstart competitors and disruptive innovation -- called <a href="http://ideasmatter.com/" target="_blank">Ideas Matter - the value of intellectual property</a>.  As you can tell from the title, the website focuses on two key points, which they then try to conflate as a single point: (1) Ideas matter and (2) because of that, intellectual property is important.
<br /><br />
Of course, there's a huge problem with this: while ideas do matter, that has <i>nothing</i> to do with intellectual property.  As people are quick to point out in our comments any time we suggest that ideas are being blocked or censored by intellectual property laws, such laws <i>are not supposed to apply to <b>ideas</b></i>.  In fact, it's explicit with both copyright and patent law.  In copyright law, protection is supposed to be applied to expression, not ideas, and the difference is supposed to be key -- even if it isn't always observed.  Similarly, with patents, protection is supposed to be applied to inventions, not ideas -- again even if that isn't regularly observed in practice.
<br /><br />
To be honest, I find this particularly nefarious and disingenuous, in that any time people point out that ideas are being censored, defenders of IP laws insist that there's a split and "ideas" are not covered.  Yet, when these same folks seek to push forth a propaganda campaign in support of greater protectionism, they use the claim that "ideas matter" to support those laws.  Not surprisingly, given the nature of the site's name and premise itself, the rest of the site is filled with ridiculous and unsupported propaganda, such as this <a href="http://ideasmatter.com/hub/infographics.aspx" target="_blank">laughably misleading video</a> that seems to assume that because certain things <i>are</i> protected by intellectual property laws, they wouldn't exist without them.  It also tosses out ridiculous debunked industry figures on "losses" due to infringement.  This is extreme propaganda.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110607/09204914592/ideas-do-matter-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-intellectual-property.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110607/09204914592/ideas-do-matter-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-intellectual-property.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110607/09204914592/ideas-do-matter-that-has-nothing-to-do-with-intellectual-property.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Winklevii Promise To Appeal To Supreme Court</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, that didn't take long at all.  We noted that the tone deaf Winklevoss twins would probably appeal their <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/16353914289/winklevii-lose-again-only-choice-now-is-supreme-court-appeal-accept-just-160-million.shtml">latest legal "loss,"</a> which "only" entitles them to the $160 million or so from their original settlement with Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg.  Even while I said I expected them to appeal since they'd already gone this far, there was still a little voice in the back of my head saying they couldn't possibly think that the Supreme Court could see a Constitutional issue to consider in their case.  And yet... hours later, the Winklevii lawyer has <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/05/winklevoss-supreme-court-facebook-settlement.html" target="_blank">announced plans to appeal to the Supreme Court</a>.  And I will announce plans to not laugh out loud when the Supreme Court turns them down.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/23392614292/winklevii-promise-to-appeal-to-supreme-court.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/23392614292/winklevii-promise-to-appeal-to-supreme-court.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/23392614292/winklevii-promise-to-appeal-to-supreme-court.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Winklevii Lose Again: Only Choice Now Is Supreme Court Appeal... Or Accept 'Just' $160 Million</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, this is hardly a surprise. A month ago, Judge Kozinski told the Winklevoss twins (the "Winklevii") that they <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml">couldn't back out</a> of their settlement agreement with Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, which was worth "only" $160 million, saying, "At some point, litigation must come to an end. That point has now been reached."  However, the Winklevii apparently couldn't just take their money and cry all the way to the bank, but <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110418/15361013941/winkelvi-officially-ask-9th-circuit-to-rehear-their-case-about-how-160-million-not-doing-much-is-not-enough.shtml">asked the court for an en banc hearing</a> (basically a rehearing of the appeal with all of the judges, rather than just a panel of three).  As I stated at the time, I thought it would be a surprise if the court accepted this... and that was an easy call.  The court has <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/16/us-facebook-winklevoss-idUSTRE74F70620110516?feedType=RSS&#038;feedName=technologyNews&#038;dlvrit=56505" target="_blank">rejected the request without comment</a>, meaning the only thing left to do is to appeal to the Supreme Court (well, or just take their $160 million...).  Given how the Winklevii have acted up until now, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see them try to take this to the Supreme Court, though I can't fathom a situation under which the Supreme Court would care.  This case was over a long time ago.  It's just the Winklevii who haven't realized it yet.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/16353914289/winklevii-lose-again-only-choice-now-is-supreme-court-appeal-accept-just-160-million.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/16353914289/winklevii-lose-again-only-choice-now-is-supreme-court-appeal-accept-just-160-million.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110516/16353914289/winklevii-lose-again-only-choice-now-is-supreme-court-appeal-accept-just-160-million.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 6 May 2011 10:15:31 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Appeals Court Effectively Opens The Floodgates For People To Claim Hollywood 'Stole' Their Ideas</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've discussed before how whenever there's a successful <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090130/0226433580.shtml">TV show</a> or <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100520/0217349506.shtml">movie</a>, people come out of the woodwork to insist that they actually came up with the idea.  Usually, these claims go nowhere, in large part, because <i>you can't copyright an idea</i>.  There are, of course, a few <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchwald_v._Paramount" target="_blank">famous exceptions</a>, but those are cases where there was a clear ongoing and detailed working relationship beforehand.
<br /><br />
However, a new ruling in the 9th Circuit appeals court (which has a reputation for somewhat wacky rulings on intellectual property issues) may <a href="http://copyrightlitigation.blogspot.com/2011/05/ninth-circuit-reverses-panel-in.html" target="_blank">open the floodgates on these kinds of lawsuits</a>.  The ruling is an en banc ruling (meaning heard by all of the judges in the court), and it overturned the earlier ruling from the same court that was just done by a three judge panel.  That means the only place to go from here is the Supreme Court, and it's not at all clear that the Supreme Court would be that interested in the case (as of now, I don't think there's a real split between circuit courts, which is often a key determining factor for the Supreme Court).
<br /><br />
The ruling itself is on some rather specific and slightly technical aspects of copyright law vs. contract law.  You can also <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0PG-GXq11o&#038;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">watch the video</a> of the one hour hearing that was held for this case earlier this year, which is also a good way to grasp some of the finer points:
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However, a simple way of explaining it is this: federal copyright law is clear that it overrules any state copyright law <i>or equivalent</i> state law.  This was to make sure that there was a single unified copyright law, and people didn't have to deal with the vagaries and differences found in 50 different state copyright laws.  Part of the (quite reasonable) fear was that states would be pressured to make even more draconian copyright laws, and that would harm the true intent of copyright law.
<br /><br />
Now, copyright law (again) does not cover ideas.  You only get a copyright on the expression, but not the idea.  However, there is a California state law that creates an <i>implied contract</i> in certain cases, and that's where this lawsuit hinges.  The question is whether or not in presenting the idea for a TV show slightly similar to what is now <i>Ghost Hunters</i>, an implicit contract was formed, which meant that the SciFi Channel (now SyFy) couldn't make <i>Ghost Hunters</i> without working with the plaintiffs.  While I have all sorts of issues with "implied" contracts in cases like this, the earlier rulings had thrown out the case based on the fact that this was really a copyright claim in disguise, and copyright law preempts the state contract laws, and then the case goes nowhere because this is really about an idea, which is uncopyrightable.  Clean, simple and sensible.
<br /><br />
Unfortunately, the majority here twists itself into contortions to claim that this is different.  It claims that the specific argument is <i>not</i> about rights covered by copyright law, and thus it is a contractual dispute, where there is an implied contract.  As the dissenting judges point out, this doesn't make much sense.  The specific complaints by the plaintiffs are rights that are clearly provided under Copyright Law.
<br /><br />
But the real issue here is that this will open the floodgates for similar lawsuits.  We already see plenty, but they're usually quickly dismissed.  Now there will be more such cases, where the focus will be on whether or not there's an "implied contract," when someone shows a studio a script or an idea.  In the end, that's really only going to make it more difficult for people who have ideas, because studios aren't going to want to hear them for fear of future liability.  If multiple people come up with similar ideas, studios shouldn't be forced to pay them all due to some bizarre implied contract...
<br /><br />
This kind of ruling really seems to undermine the whole point of ideas not being copyrightable...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/10575014165/appeals-court-effectively-opens-floodgates-people-to-claim-hollywood-stole-their-ideas.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/10575014165/appeals-court-effectively-opens-floodgates-people-to-claim-hollywood-stole-their-ideas.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110505/10575014165/appeals-court-effectively-opens-floodgates-people-to-claim-hollywood-stole-their-ideas.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:54:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Winkelvi Officially Ask 9th Circuit To Rehear Their Case About How $160 Million For Not Doing Much Is Not Enough</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ As was widely <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/16544713857/winklevi-wont-give-up-appealing-ruling-that-they-have-to-accept-just-160-million.shtml">expected</a>, the Winklevi have decided not to listen to Judge Alex Kozinski on the 9th Circuit appeals court, who told them that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml">the "time is now"</a> to end their ongoing lawsuit against Facebook, and that they should just be happy with the approximately $160 million they ended up with for totally failing to compete in the market place with Zuckerberg.  Frankly, even if Zuckerberg really had "copied" their idea, $160 million seems like more than ample compensation.  It wasn't the Winklevoss's idea that made Facebook successful (not by a long shot).  It was the specific ways in which Zuckerberg and his team executed (combined with an element of luck).  In fact, with a reward so ridiculously high for failing, all this sort of lawsuit does is encourage more silly lawsuits from other competitors who failed in the marketplace.
<br /><br />
However, despite the court and plenty of commentators telling the Winklevi to cry all the way to the bank with their money, the twins and partner Divya Narendra, have in fact <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/04/winkelvoss-appeal/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A wired%2Findex %28Wired%3A Index 3 %28Top Stories 2%29%29" target="_blank">filed for an en banc hearing</a>, asking the full slate of 9th Circuit judges to rehear the case, rather than just the standard three judge panel who heard the original.  To be honest, I'd be surprised if the court agreed to the rehearing, but you never know.  Typically, they'll do a rehearing where there really are serious questions of law, and significant conflict in how the judges view things with the case at hand.  I just don't see the specifics of this dispute rising to that level.  If that fails, the only choice left will be to appeal to the Supreme Court, who we can also hope will recognize more important issues at hand and pass on hearing the case.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110418/15361013941/winkelvi-officially-ask-9th-circuit-to-rehear-their-case-about-how-160-million-not-doing-much-is-not-enough.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110418/15361013941/winkelvi-officially-ask-9th-circuit-to-rehear-their-case-about-how-160-million-not-doing-much-is-not-enough.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110418/15361013941/winkelvi-officially-ask-9th-circuit-to-rehear-their-case-about-how-160-million-not-doing-much-is-not-enough.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 03:54:19 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Winklevi Won't Give Up; Appealing The Ruling That They Have To Accept 'Just' $160 Million</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Incredible.  After being told to shut up and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml">take their $160 million</a> from Facebook, the Winklevoss twins are apparently still planning to appeal the ruling from the 9th Circuit.  They're <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2011/04/11/winklevosses-to-challenge-todays-facebook-ruling/" target="_blank">filing for an en banc hearing</a> (basically asking all of the judges on the court to rehear the case, rather than the typical panel of three).  On issues where there is some disagreement among the judges you'll see en banc hearings.  Frankly, I'd be pretty surprised if the 9th Circuit is willing to rehear this case.  And, at that point, their only resort will be to appeal to the Supreme Court, who I really doubt would find this a pressing matter of Constitutional importance.  What's amazing to me is how much these guys seem to be hurting their own reputations here.  Seriously, take the $160 million or so and move on.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/16544713857/winklevi-wont-give-up-appealing-ruling-that-they-have-to-accept-just-160-million.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/16544713857/winklevi-wont-give-up-appealing-ruling-that-they-have-to-accept-just-160-million.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/16544713857/winklevi-wont-give-up-appealing-ruling-that-they-have-to-accept-just-160-million.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 15:40:35 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Winklevoss Twins Told To Accept The Millions Facebook Has Already Given Them And To Stop Complaining</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Could it finally be over?  The Winklevoss twins, Cameron and Tyler, along with Divya Narendra, famously sued Mark Zuckerberg, claiming he "stole" the idea of Facebook from them.  They eventually <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070716/084444.shtml">sued</a> him and then <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080407/111721778.shtml">settled</a>, getting (at the time) $65 million in cash and Facebook stock.  You may have heard about it, considering there was a big Hollywood movie based loosely on all of this.  Of course, the whole concept was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070904/003903.shtml">preposterous</a>.  There were tons of other social networks at the time, and you can't "steal" an idea.  But, in the grand scheme of things, paying off those guys was easier than continuing to fight it.  Yet, after the settlement was done, the twins tried to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080605/1656111321.shtml">back out</a> of the settlement, claiming their share should have been much higher.  Despite a court shutting them down, the twins <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101221/03412212358/winklevoss-twins-still-trying-to-get-more-facebook.shtml">kept fighting</a>.  Hopefully, that's now over.  Judge Alex Kozinski is <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/11/us-facebook-winklevoss-idUSTRE73A5DX20110411?feedType=RSS&#038;feedName=technologyNews&#038;WT.tsrc=Social%20Media&#038;WT.z_smid=twtr-reuters_tech&#038;WT.z_smid_dest=Twitter" target="_blank">is trying to put an end to the whole thing</a>, saying that the original settlement stands.
<br /><br />
The full ruling from Kozinski is, in typical Kozinski fashion, an entertaining read.  He points out that the point of the original settlement was so that everyone could "get on with their lives."  Kozinski is particularly harsh on the Winklevosses for trying to back out of the agreement over a claim of valuation issues when they clearly knew what they were getting into:
<blockquote><i>
The Winklevosses are sophisticated parties who were
locked in a contentious struggle over ownership rights in one
of the world&rsquo;s fastest-growing companies. They engaged in
discovery, which gave them access to a good deal of information
about their opponents. They brought half-a-dozen lawyers
to the mediation. Howard Winklevoss--father of
Cameron and Tyler, former accounting professor at Wharton
School of Business and an expert in valuation--also participated.
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Kozinski also knocks the Winklevi for being marketplace losers resorting to the courts to sue those who beat them in the market:
<blockquote><i>
The Winklevosses are not the first parties bested by a competitor
who then seek to gain through litigation what they
were unable to achieve in the marketplace. And the courts
might have obliged, had the Winklevosses not settled their
dispute and signed a release of all claims against Facebook.
With the help of a team of lawyers and a financial advisor,
they made a deal that appears quite favorable in light of recent
market activity.
</i></blockquote>
As Kozinski notes, while they've been arguing about all of this, Facebook has continued to appreciate in value, and their "settlement" is now worth much more than they even thought they would get originally.  He concludes it simply:
<blockquote><i>
For whatever
reason, they now want to back out. Like the district court, we
see no basis for allowing them to do so. At some point, litigation
must come to an end. That point has now been reached.
</i></blockquote>
And so, they "lose."  Of course, it's hard to see how <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/04/cameron-and-tyler-winklevoss-lose-legal-fight-court-rules.html" target="_blank">getting $160 million</a> for totally failing in the marketplace can be considered "losing."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110411/13133113856/winklevoss-twins-told-to-accept-millions-facebook-has-already-given-them-to-stop-complaining.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:05:36 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Felix Dennis: Ideas Without Execution Are Nothing</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well this is getting a little repetitive, but it's always nice to add another voice to the (growing) crowd of people, who recognize that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080514/0336421112.shtml">execution</a> is much more important than the idea.   We've <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100202/0325368007.shtml">discussed</a> this many times and have pointed out people, such as <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100604/0954389689.shtml">Scott Adams</a>, who have made similar points.  The latest such example comes to us courtesy of  the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=capitalisliontamer">Capitalist Lion Tamer</a>, who highlights a brief excerpt from Maxim and The Week creator Felix Dennis' new book, in which he <a href="http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2011/03/11/excerpt-maxim-founder-felix-dennis-on-the-fallacy-of-big-ideas/" target="http://blogs.forbes.com/jeffbercovici/2011/03/11/excerpt-maxim-founder-felix-dennis-on-the-fallacy-of-big-ideas/" target="_blank">makes the identical point about ideas and execution</a>.   He notes that an idea is not enough.  It may be important, but ideas are more "like Nike sports shoes," in that they can be a tool that can be used by someone to accomplish great things, but in the end it's the actual execution that matters:
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I have lost count of the number of men and women who have approached me with their &ldquo;great idea,&rdquo; as if this, in and of itself, was their passport to instant wealth. The idea is not a passport. At most, it is the means of obtaining one. In some instances, a fixation on a great idea can prove hazardous, distracting your attention from the perils and pitfalls
you will inevitably encounter on the narrow road.
<br /><br />
If you never have a single great idea in your life, but become skilled in executing the great ideas of others, you can succeed beyond your wildest dreams. They do not have to be your ideas &mdash; execution is all. When confronted with a great idea, your reaction should be to scrupulously analyze its commercial potential in the context of your own ability to transform that potential into triumph.
<br /><br />
Ideas don&rsquo;t make you rich. The correct execution of ideas does.
</i></blockquote>
Doesn't it seem odd that so many people (and very, very successful people at that) recognize this basic concept... and yet our entire public policy around innovation focuses solely on rewarding the idea, at the expense of the execution?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110315/12492813507/felix-dennis-ideas-without-execution-are-nothing.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110315/12492813507/felix-dennis-ideas-without-execution-are-nothing.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110315/12492813507/felix-dennis-ideas-without-execution-are-nothing.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:33:12 PST</pubDate>
<title>Woman Who Claimed Ownership Of 'Biggest Loser' Idea Declared A Loser By The Courts</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It seems that every time there's a really successful <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110107/10015012572/court-dismisses-harry-potter-plagiarism-case-strains-credulity.shtml">book</a>, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100520/0217349506.shtml">movie</a> or <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090130/0226433580.shtml">TV show</a> that comes along, someone else comes along and claims that it was really <i>their idea</i>, and demands cash for it.  Of course, in almost every one of these cases, they don't seem to realize that lots of people had the same idea, and there's a huge difference between idea and execution.  Instead, they assume that only they could have had the idea, and anything similar -- which involved actual successful execution -- must owe them money.  Thankfully, the courts are generally pretty good about tossing these cases out.  The latest involves someone who <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/thr-esq/judge-declares-loser-biggest-loser-160706" target="_blank">claims she came up with the idea for the reality TV show <i>The Biggest Loser</i></a> which she called Phat Farm.  The legal process hasn't been kind to her.  One court pointed out that she never actually registered for a copyright on the Phat Farm treatment, and now another court has noted that there really aren't that many similarities between the ideas.  Another case dismissed.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110223/14305013236/woman-who-claimed-ownership-biggest-loser-idea-declared-loser-courts.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110223/14305013236/woman-who-claimed-ownership-biggest-loser-idea-declared-loser-courts.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110223/14305013236/woman-who-claimed-ownership-biggest-loser-idea-declared-loser-courts.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 10:13:12 PST</pubDate>
<title>Guy Claims He Owns The Idea Of Oprah Visiting Australia, Plans To Sue</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ When you think that ideas are ownable, you get absolutely ridiculous scenarios, such as the idea that anyone could ever "own" the idea of Oprah Winfrey visiting Australia.  And yet, a dive boat operator in Australia is <a href="http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-news/megastars-visit-turns-into-legal-soap-oprah-20110106-19gz3.html" target="_blank">planning to sue Tourism Australia</a>, because of Oprah Winfrey's recent visit.  You see, back in 2004, this guy by the name of John Heuvel, had the idea that it would be good for Austalia's tourism if Oprah visited the country.  That seems like the kind of idea just about anyone could have, of course, however he insists that it was unique to him.  He pitched it to Tourism Australia, who agreed to work with him to get Oprah to visit.  They pitched Oprah in 2005, and she (or, rather, her company) turned them down.  Fast forward to 2009.  Heuvel thought he'd try again, and pitched Oprah's company directly (without the help of Tourism Australia).  It appears there was no response.
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However, last month, Oprah did finally go visit Australia, and Tourism Australia was (not surprisingly) heavily involved.  However, Heuvel claims that since Tourism Australia had promised to work with him, it had now breached a contract.  As for the idea that perhaps (just maybe) plenty of others at Tourism Australia might have had the idea of bringing perhaps the most recognizable entertainer in the world to the country to play up tourism in Australia?  Why, that's impossible, according to Heuvel:
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"Tourism Australia is saying that it thought up the idea, which is ludicrous."
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Ludicrous?  Really?  Tourism Australia admits that it worked with Heuvel in 2005, and that that bid to lure Oprah down under failed.  End of story.  This latest trip was entirely unrelated.  However, it appears that Heuvel really thinks that the idea itself is his and his alone, and that Tourism Australia owes him "millions" for actually having Oprah visit the country, without paying him first.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110112/03022212613/guy-claims-he-owns-idea-oprah-visiting-australia-plans-to-sue.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110112/03022212613/guy-claims-he-owns-idea-oprah-visiting-australia-plans-to-sue.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110112/03022212613/guy-claims-he-owns-idea-oprah-visiting-australia-plans-to-sue.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>ownership-society-at-work</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:14:58 PST</pubDate>
<title>Winklevoss Twins Still Trying To Get More Of Facebook</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There have been a whole series of claims from others that they had the "original idea" for Facebook, but as we've explained over and over again, the idea part was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070904/003903.shtml">pretty meaningless</a>.  There were plenty of other, competing social networks at the time Facebook was founded.  What made Facebook a success was not the original idea, but how the company executed and changed (quite a lot) over time, adapting to the market.  And, yet, the lawsuits continue.  The most famous, of course, was the one filed by the Winklevoss twins, which is at the heart of the recent fictionalized movie about Facebook.  As we covered here, the twins <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070716/084444.shtml">sued</a>, claiming that Zuckerberg took the idea from them and their company ConnectU.  Over the years, more evidence has come out that suggests Zuckerberg may have been kind of slimey in dealing with the twins, but it still didn't suggest that the twins actually deserved any part of Facebook.  Even so, in 2008 (as is covered in the movie), the company <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080407/111721778.shtml">settled</a> the lawsuit, and dumped stock worth tens of millions on the twins... for not doing anything.
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Given all that, we were amazed later that year when the twins <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080605/1656111321.shtml">sought to back out of the settlement</a>, in what appears to be a clear case of "settlers' remorse."  Joe Mullin has the latest <a href="http://paidcontent.org/article/419-return-of-the-winklevosses-twins-take-one-last-shot-at-facebook-in-cour/" target"_blank">on the twins' attempt to go through this whole thing all over again</a>, and notes how ridiculous the whole situation is:
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What makes CU's drawn-out litigation all the more remarkable is that Facebook has to be one of the most patently "unstealable" ideas out there. Facebook wasn't the first internet social network and, at the time of the suit, wasn't profoundly different than those that came before it. Facebook's success isn't due to the idea of a social network, but the skillful execution of that idea--combined, of course, with some hard work and some very lucky timing.
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As Mullin points out, however, these kinds of cases have increased in recent years, as the culture and legal framework we've created, that overvalues ideas and undervalues execution, leads people to think that just because they had an idea -- even if they had nothing to do with the execution -- they deserve a cut from those who did execute.  While we've already posted this <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101129/00061812029/do-we-want-to-monetize-every-business-idea.shtml">before</a>, now seems like a perfect time to repost the recent <a href="http://xkcd.com/827/" target="_blank">recent xkcd</a> comic on this concept:

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<a href="http://xkcd.com/827/"><img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/business_idea.png" title="We didn't believe you at first, but we asked like three people who were at that party. They not only corroborated your story, but even said you totally mentioned wanting to start a company someday. Sorry! If this isn't enough money, let us know." alt="Business Idea" width="560/"/>
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<pubDate>Thu, 2 Dec 2010 04:17:12 PST</pubDate>
<title>Do We Want To Monetize Every Business Idea?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ For many years we've pointed out that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080604/0223551307.shtml">ideas are easy</a> but execution is hard.  Unfortunately, as a society, we seem to romanticize and celebrate the idea over the execution -- and our policies, such as patent policies -- codify that into law.  This is unfortunate -- especially for anyone who has actually executed and built a real business, since you quickly learn that the original idea is quite frequently meaningless by the time you build a successful business.  Earlier this year, we noted that Dilbert creator Scott Adams had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100604/0954389689.shtml">jumped on board</a> the whole "ideas vs. execution" dichotomy, and he's apparently still working that theme.
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In a recent blog post, he not only reiterated the "ideas are worthless, execution is everything" claim but tried to take it further by suggesting (as an idea) that it might help if there was a business to <a href="http://www.dilbert.com/blog/entry/?EntryID=526" target="_blank">bring ideas together with people to execute</a>.  Now, of course, this is just an idea and, according to Adams' own rules, it's pretty worthless.  My guess is that if people tried to execute on this particular idea, they'd find that it didn't work quite the way Adams' predicts (which is sort of the point).  The basic idea is that people with ideas would tape themselves in a video talking about the idea and then others who might provide related services -- such as management, capital, legal, sales, etc. -- could join up.  If a "complete team" was put together via this system, then they could go execute.  The concept is to remove some of the inefficiency in executing.
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In my imagined future, you start by making a home video of yourself pitching your idea, just as you would to an investor. You upload your video, along with a detailed description of your idea, to a web site where other entrepreneurs around the world are doing the same thing. But instead of simply soliciting funding, you solicit an entire team, based on whatever skills your business requires. The key to making this work is that no one quits his existing job, or provides funding, until all of the resources for the idea are lined up. The main function of the system is making sure everyone's conditions for participation have been met before any risks are taken.
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Now imagine that the legal contracts for your new business partners are based on standardized agreements that have been created by the online business to be fair to both sides. There's no wrangling about the legal details. All you need to agree on are the "fill in the blank" stuff, such as who does what, and for what equity or salary. Likewise, the funding agreements are standardized.
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As the entrepreneur, you might have a hundred people vying for the job of marketing for your new company. Each person would submit a resume, perhaps some text on how they would approach this specific job, and a minimum compensation requirement. The entrepreneur might choose a marketing expert with weaker experience to keep payroll low, which might in turn cause another potential team member to back out if he thinks the marketing person is too weak for the job. This process of adding and subtracting potential team members would repeat until everyone was happy with the contribution and compensation of everyone else. And during the process, all potential team members could communicate with each other to negotiate deals and refine the idea.
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Of course, to some extent, things like this have already been tried.  There are incubators out there.  There are standard legal forms.  There are all sorts of entrepreneurial groups that try to bring such people together.  But, for the most part, they don't seem to work all that well -- and a big part of the reason for that is the basic worthlessness of ideas.  For an idea to really be executed, you don't just need the ten pieces that Adams lists out -- you need a real champion.  Ask most angel investors and venture capitalists what they invest in, and it's not the idea but, quite frequently, it's the team and their overall ability to execute.  Working on a startup with cofounders is, in many ways, similar to a marriage.  Making sure those people can actually execute well together is a key part of it -- and this setup seems to minimize that, again focusing on the "idea" as the central focal point.
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In reality, however, if you're so focused on the idea, when the market changes or reality sets in, the team is less able to adjust and to change and to adapt.  Adams' basic premise is correct: ideas are worthless compared to execution but the response to that is aiding with execution in a way that lets people adapt quickly over time, rather than still setting up the key "idea" as the focal point.
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In the end, I tend to think Adams' idea for "monetizing" ideas is about as likely to work as the following idea from another well-known comic creator, Randall Munroe, whose <a href="http://xkcd.com/827/" target="_blank">recent xkcd</a> covers the same topic from a slightly different angle:
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<a href="http://xkcd.com/827/"><img src="http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/business_idea.png" title="We didn't believe you at first, but we asked like three people who were at that party. They not only corroborated your story, but even said you totally mentioned wanting to start a company someday. Sorry! If this isn't enough money, let us know." alt="Business Idea" width=560/></a>
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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:38:55 PST</pubDate>
<title>Arianna Huffington Sued For 'Stealing' The Idea For The Huffington Post</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Apparently two political consultants, Peter Daou and James Boyce, thought they had a deal back in 2004 to help create a blogging site with Arianna Huffington and Ken Lerer -- and they're now <a href="http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=51FC92DB-059E-B67F-AADF9BAA451A81E3" target="_blank">suing both of them for "idea misappropriation"</a> over the Huffington Post.  The whole filing is quite a read:
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Of course, you can't own an idea, so it's a bit silly to claim otherwise.  There's also a breach of contract claim, which also seems like a huge stretch.  While it <i>is</i> possible to have a verbal contract, from the filings, it's going to be very difficult for Daou and Boyce to prove that there was any official verbal contract at work here.  It sounded like early stages of planning, before Huffington and Lerer decided to go in their own direction.
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Also quite damning is the fact that the lawsuit is being filed more than 5 years after the events took place.  Daou and Boyce try to explain this away by claiming that a public legal fight would hurt their ability to get other work, which doesn't really make much sense.  On top of that <A href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-daou" target="_blank">Daou</a> and <A href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce" target="_blank">Boyce</a> have been regular contributors to The Huffington Post.  In the lawsuit, they suggest that they still wanted it to be a success and hoped that Huffington and Lerer would make things right.  It's difficult to see this court case getting very far, but it may scare people off from having any conversations with Daou or Boyce about <i>potentially</i> working together on any kind of project, as it seems they might sue you in the future if you don't automatically cut them in on it if you decide to go off and do it on your own.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101116/04204211881/arianna-huffington-sued-for-stealing-the-idea-for-the-huffington-post.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101116/04204211881/arianna-huffington-sued-for-stealing-the-idea-for-the-huffington-post.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101116/04204211881/arianna-huffington-sued-for-stealing-the-idea-for-the-huffington-post.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 2 Nov 2010 16:03:17 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Reality Show Sued For Copying Idea</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Apparently there's a "highly anticipated" reality show coming soon to US TV called <i>My Parents Are Gonna Love You</i>, in which contestants on the show bring a celebrity home to meet their parents, claiming the two are engaged.  There's some sort of contest involved in how long the "couple" can keep family convinced that the relationship is real.  Sounds... painful.  However, the producers are <a href="http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/thr-esq/exclusive-fox-sued-over-upcoming-33665" target="_blank">now being sued for copyright infringement</a> by the producers of an Italian reality show that had a somewhat (though not exactly) similar idea.
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Of course, we're always told (aren't we?) by copyright system defenders that copyright only extends to the specific <i>expression</i>, not the <i>idea</i>.  It seems pretty clear that this lawsuit is claiming the "idea" was copied.  So now we'll get to see if the courts really do recognize that there is supposed to be an idea/expression dichotomy in copyright law...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101029/12012211653/reality-show-sued-for-copying-idea.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101029/12012211653/reality-show-sued-for-copying-idea.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101029/12012211653/reality-show-sued-for-copying-idea.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>idea-vs.-expression</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:11:56 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Red Bull Cancels Stunt Dive From Space... Because Someone Sued Then Claiming It Was His Idea</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Reader Marak was the first of a bunch of you to send in the news of <a href="http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/10/red-bull-cancels-stratos" target="_blank">Red Bull cancelling a super high altitude skydive</a> (an attempt to break the famous record of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Kittinger" target="_blank">Joe Kittinger</a>) because of a lawsuit filed back in April by a guy <a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/04/27/26753.htm" target="_blank">claiming he had the idea first</a>, and that he shared the details with Red Bull, but has now been cut out of the project.  If anyone has the actual filing in the case, I'd like to see it, because you can't actually own "ideas," so I'm curious what he's specifically suing over.  There are a few possibilities, but all of them seem like a stretch.  Just because someone tells you an idea, there's no requirement you work with them, credit them or pay them in most cases.  In fact, the reporting on what happened between Red Bull and the guy notes that after talking for a while, Red Bull sent him an email that stated: "after a very detailed investigation of your proposal, we finally came to the conclusion that we would not like to continue our joint work on the space Dive project."  That doesn't say they won't proceed on their own, however...
<br /><br />
Once again, though, this does seem symptomatic of the general belief these days that it's possible to own "ideas," and that if you have an idea, then you can stop others from either having the same idea separately, or from actually implementing your idea.  It's what happens when you build up a culture falsely led to believe that ideas are scarce resources like property.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101012/14333411397/red-bull-cancels-stunt-dive-from-space-because-someone-sued-then-claiming-it-was-his-idea.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101012/14333411397/red-bull-cancels-stunt-dive-from-space-because-someone-sued-then-claiming-it-was-his-idea.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101012/14333411397/red-bull-cancels-stunt-dive-from-space-because-someone-sued-then-claiming-it-was-his-idea.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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