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<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 12:27:42 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Charles Carreon Still Dishing Out Threats &amp; Intimidation... While Hiding From Court Summons</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Remember that rule number one of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/search.php?q=carreon+effect&edition=&tid=&aid=&searchin=stories">the Carreon Effect</a> is that, when someone calls you out on your ridiculous position... just keep digging.  And the man behind the effect apparently would like to make sure that his name really does set the gold standard in "just keep digging."  Yes, that's right -- the man, the myth, the sheer wackiness of Charles Carreon is back.  Except, that is, if you're trying to serve him for bogus threats against you.  You may remember Charles Carreon for his famous <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/00025519366/charles-carreon-sues-matthew-inman-charities-hes-raising-money.shtml">lawsuit</a> against the Oatmeal and a variety of unrelated other organizations, followed up by <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/12032919419/charles-carreon-keeps-digging-promises-to-subpoena-twitter-ars-technica-to-track-down-parody-account.shtml">threats</a> against parody accounts (doubly amusing, given Carreon's own fondness for parodying others).
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While Carreon eventually <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/16300419572/charles-carreon-stops-digging-least-moment-dismisses-his-lawsuit.shtml">dropped</a> his lawsuit against Matthew Inman at The Oatmeal, it wasn't before one of the parody bloggers he had threatened <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/18282219557/charles-carreon-tries-to-intimidate-parodist-with-bizarre-list-demands-plus-dmca-takedown-threat.shtml">filed</a> for declaratory judgment, claiming that his blogging was legal.  Carreon quite clearly was threatening the blogger, and had even suggested that he would wait until the attention died down to sue -- which clearly gives the blogger grounds for seeking a declaratory judgment.  That, of course, is a separate lawsuit, initiated by the blogger, so Carreon can't just drop it.  But what he can do, apparently, is <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2012/10/18/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-xii-brave-sir-charlie-ran-away/" target="_blank">everything possible to avoid being served</a>.  The judge's own summary of the situation (via Popehat):
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Plaintiff seeks a declaratory judgment that his satirical website does not infringe the trademark defendant has in his own name.  Prior to filing a complaint, plaintiff's counsel was in contact with defendant via email.  After filing the complaint, defendant and his wife publicly 
discussed the pending litigation.  Plaintiff's counsel mailed defendant a request for waiver of summons to his address in Tucson, Arizona, which defendant did not execute.  Instead, the entire envelope was mailed back to plaintiff, unopened, inside a second envelope.  This same sequence of events was repeated after plaintiff filed an amended complaint.  At plaintiff's request, the Court issued a summons, and plaintiff hired an Arizona process service company to serve the summons at the residential address.  On the first visit, the server announced himself and was told &#8220;No thank you,&#8221; and left with the papers.  On the second and third visits, nobody answered.  The process service company then tried to serve the summons and complaint by certified mail, but the package was never claimed.
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Of course, during this time that Carreon was hiding out from officially being served, it didn't stop him from continuing to find ways to intimidate the blogger in question.  Again, from the judge:
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During this time, defendant contacted the general counsel of Walgreens, plaintiff's employer, stating plaintiff had used Walgreens' computer equipment or internet access to create the allegedly actionable website, and implying he might make Walgreens a party to the litigation under a theory of respondeat superior.  The demand letter sent to Walgreens contained the same Tucson, Arizona address and email address that plaintiff had been using to attempt service on defendant.   
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Following that, the blogger's lawyers once again emailed Carreon a copy of the summons, complaint and amended complaint -- including sending it to the address Carreon used to threaten Walgreens... and Carreon ignored that too.
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Unfortunately, Carreon seems to be working the system effectively.  Because even with all of these obvious attempts to avoid having to actually deal with the lawsuit against him, the judge is asking the blogger and his lawyers to "try harder:"
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The process server could easily wait outside the fence for defendant to enter or leave the residence and could then leave the papers in the defendant's presence.  Alternatively, the process server may choose to wait near a location defendant is thought to frequent, such as an office or grocery store.  If the defendant still refuses to accept the papers, it will be considered sufficient if the &#8220;server is in close proximity to the defendant, clearly communicates intent to serve court documents, and makes reasonable efforts to leave the papers with the defendant.&#8221;
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And with that, the judge refuses to allow the emails to constitute proper service.  Public Citizen, who is handling the case pro bono, is <a href="https://secure.citizen.org/p/salsa/donation/common/public/?donate_page_KEY=9165" target="_blank">asking for donations</a> to help pay for hiring someone to "sit outside Carreon's house until Carreon appears," noting that he's "carrying through on his promise to run up the cost of litigation."
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It's unclear what Carreon thinks he's accomplishing here, as he's going to have to face these charges eventually.  But, as once again seems clear, his response is to... just keep digging.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121018/11253620752/charles-carreon-still-dishing-out-threats-intimidation-while-hiding-court-summons.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121018/11253620752/charles-carreon-still-dishing-out-threats-intimidation-while-hiding-court-summons.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121018/11253620752/charles-carreon-still-dishing-out-threats-intimidation-while-hiding-court-summons.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:00:52 PDT</pubDate>
<title>'Underground' Musician Buries Music Underground (Literally) For Fans To Find</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101010/20312611349/underground-musician-buries-music-underground-literally-for-fans-to-find.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've talked about plenty of examples of musicians doing creative things to connect with fans.  One example was Trent Reznor <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080713/1721051663.shtml">hiding concert tickets</a> in random places around LA, and then mentioning the coordinates on his website, leading fans to scramble and find them.  It appears that "underground" musician Emperor X (aka Chad Matheny) is doing something similar, and fitting with his underground status.  <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/rosspruden/statuses/26851566292" target="_blank">Ross Pruden</a> points us to the news that Matheny has been recording early versions of new songs he's working on to cassette tapes and then <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130436918" target="_blank">burying them in random places</a>.  He'll later reveal the GPS coordinates, and if people can find the tapes (apparently it's not always so easy), they get not just the tape with the music, but also "a secret code that will unlock more music on his website for the rest of the world to hear."  In other words, people have incentive to find the tapes not just for themselves, but for other fans as well.
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Some will (of course) mock this as a "gimmick," and even Matheny flat-out admits that it's a gimmick -- but it's a "gimmick" that works.  It gets his fans excited, it gets some more folks interested in his music, and it makes the whole thing fun.  As the article notes, it's sort of a way to bring back the <i>old</i> experience people used to have of trying to track down works from a more obscure artist:
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"He's creating an experience that really fits his music, and what it is is that he's an underground musician," Dahlen says. "Back in the day, there'd always be that artist that you were in love with. You had to find all their albums, but they were really unknown, and you would go to used record store after used record store trying to track them down. And then, finally, you find one of their albums in the bin, and you love it more because of all the effort you put into it. You have a stake in this musician now. And that was the wonderful experience about finding people who are off the mainstream. I think it fits perfectly with what he's doing. I think it's kind of brilliant." 
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This highlights, once again, that the idea behind these actions aren't that everyone should do it this way, but that each artist needs to come up with ideas that really fit with the type of artist they are. Something like this really appears to fit with Matheny and the fans of Emperor X, so it works for him.  Other artists need to figure out what works for them as well.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101010/20312611349/underground-musician-buries-music-underground-literally-for-fans-to-find.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101010/20312611349/underground-musician-buries-music-underground-literally-for-fans-to-find.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101010/20312611349/underground-musician-buries-music-underground-literally-for-fans-to-find.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>go-dig</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:49:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Now Tell Us What You Really Think... But Do It Over Instant Messenger...</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071115/154501.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ This probably won't come as a surprise to anyone, but saying potentially embarrassing stuff in writing is a hell of a lot easier than saying it in person when you have to watch how people react.  That's why people can sometimes be such <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070220/121402.shtml">jerks</a> online.  But, it also means that for kids these days it's much easier to have <a href="http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stories/I/INSTANT_MESSAGING_AP_POLL?SITE=WIRE&#038;SECTION=HOME&#038;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&#038;CTIME=2007-11-15-07-56-34">potentially embarrassing conversations, such as asking someone out or dumping them</a>.  They just do it all online and don't have to deal with the immediate reactions.  Some people, of course, find this horrifying, that people may never learn how to talk directly to others about potentially uncomfortable subjects, while others (mostly those who are uncomfortable talking to others about such things) find it to be quite liberating.  Like most things, it seems like the type of thing that is useful in moderation -- as long as people recognize the signal that it sends out as well.  For example, when it comes to dating, someone who is attracted to more confident people will actually find it a turnoff to be asked out this way -- meaning that as liberating as it is, it may actually be hurting some people's chances to become too reliant on hiding behind the keyboard.  In the end, though, it really is just a tool -- and as people learn to use it appropriately it's hard to see how that's a problem.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071115/154501.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071115/154501.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071115/154501.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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