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<pubDate>Mon, 7 Mar 2011 10:45:58 PST</pubDate>
<title>Derivative Artwork Inspiring Derivative Artwork -- But Will The Lawyers Ruin It?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've written numerous times about the famed mashup artist Girl Talk (Gregg Gillis), who has created some extremely popular and well-reviewed albums by mashing up hundreds of songs together into songs that sound both entirely new, and which give appreciative nods towards the originals.  Girl Talk has won various awards and has even been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070312/095829.shtml">mentioned in Congress</a> by Rep. Mike Doyle, as an example of why copyright should allow more such mashups and remixes, rather than having it crack down on the practice.  And, of course, there's also been an excellent <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081017/0052132565.shtml">movie</a> about Girl Talk, called <a href="http://ripremix.com/" target="_blank"><i>RiP: A Remix Manifesto</i></a>, which I encourage people to watch if they haven't seen it yet.
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Of course, there are all sorts of copyright questions around this.  Some folks are <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080630/0131411542.shtml">stunned</a> that Gillis hasn't been sued over his widespread sampling.  There are a variety of theories as to why that might be -- from the idea that Gillis' use might actually cause courts to recognize that such sampling should be fair use, to the theory that the music industry doesn't go after Gillis because he's <a href="http://www.copycense.com/2009/03/girl_talk_as_fair_use_martyr.html" target="_blank">"white, middle-class and educated,"</a> as opposed to those who often do find themselves on the receiving end of sampling lawsuits.
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Either way, we may get to jump deeper into the copyright conundrum, as the NY Times magazine recently covered <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/magazine/06GirlWalk-t.html" target="_blank">an effort to make an entire movie based on people dancing to Girl Talk's latest album, <i>All Day</i></a>.  You can see the <a href="http://vimeo.com/18446531" target="_blank">trailer</a> below:
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Even if you're not a fan of Girl Talk's music, the idea -- "an epic, 71-minute-long dance-music video" -- is pretty cool.  It's tough to watch the video and not smile, just in general, at the joy it expresses (my favorite part is right in the middle where a woman in the background, who is clearly just a bystander, starts dancing along as well).  The filmmaker, Jacob Krupnick, has also <a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/720656387/girl-walk-all-day" target="_blank">put up a Kickstarter page</a> for the project, and it's more than met its goal (it had already, but I'm sure the NYT Magazine article has only helped it get a lot more money too).
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What struck me as interesting wasn't just that Krupnick wanted to make a movie based on <i>All Day</i>, but that a lot of his inspiration came from <i>both</i> RiP: Remix a Manifesto <i>and</i> having briefly worked with the lead dancer, Anne Marsen, in a video shoot for a commercial a year and a half ago.  As the article recounts, Marsen is a classically trained ballet dancer, who dropped out of the University of the Arts and has since:
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gone rogue, dance-wise, taking three or four classes a day from studios all over New York City -- jazz, modern, tap, salsa, flamenco, belly-dancing, break-­dancing, West African, pole dancing, capoeira -- borrowing gestures and movements and boiling them all down into her own unique B-girl bouillabaisse.
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Basically, she mixes a variety of different styles in a somewhat freelance manner.  Krupnick had been looking for another project to work with Marsen on, and when he heard the latest Girl Talk album, he realized the basic similarities in style:
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As Krupnick listened to the album, it struck him that Girl Talk makes music the way Anne Marsen makes dance. "I started to hyperventilate a little bit, the way you do when you get excited about something that you really want to come true," he told me.
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And this is how art gets created.  Of course, it's interesting that no one questions Marsen for mixing all different kinds of dances that she's learned from others into her own style -- but when Girl Talk does it, people complain about how it's "stealing" and "infringing."  Either way, take these two individuals (along with a supporting cast) and you get this entirely new and entertaining movie as well.
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Derivative art creating derivative art.
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That this goes against the claims of copyright maximalists will, undoubtedly, be ignored by those copyright maximalists.  Of course, there's a separate question here: which is what about the copyright on the film.  Gillis releases all of the Girl Talk stuff under a Creative Commons license.  But, it's a license that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080707/0016231597.shtml">does not allow</a> for commercial use (which some find hypocritical on his part).  I doubt he would object to the film (if he did, the social backlash would likely be quite strong), but given that Krupnick is raising money via Kickstarter, someone could make an argument that this is "commercial use."  Separately, if Krupnick actually tries to do something more with the movie, he'll almost certainly not be able to get E&O (errors and omissions insurance).   Last year, I covered the ridiculous difficulty that RiP's filmmaker, Brett Gaylor had to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100111/2220247711.shtml">go through</a> trying to get insurance for his film -- showing us his <i>massive</i> spreadsheet of samples he tried to clear, before giving up.
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But the bigger question is whether or not any of the copyright holders on the music <i>Girl Talk</i> uses would decide to step in as well.  While they might not have sued Gillis, there's nothing saying that they have to let this movie go forward.  Beyond the copyright issues in the samples in the album itself, now Krupnick also has to worry about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronization_rights" target="_blank">synch rights</a>, which appear to be one of the lower levels of hell according to various filmmakers I've dealt with in the past.
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One can <i>hope</i>, that as with Gillis' original works, that any rights holders know better than to call the lawyers -- and it would be a great story if that actually happens.  But, I certainly wouldn't be surprised (though, I'd be very disappointed) if this wonderful idea for a film runs into legal problems.  Assuming that happens, it'll be yet another example of copyright not inspiring new creative works, but stifling them (though inspiring <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110224/06011113242/copyright-is-incentive-to-create-lawsuits.shtml">legal fees</a>).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110306/23102113375/derivative-artwork-inspiring-derivative-artwork----will-lawyers-ruin-it.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110306/23102113375/derivative-artwork-inspiring-derivative-artwork----will-lawyers-ruin-it.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110306/23102113375/derivative-artwork-inspiring-derivative-artwork----will-lawyers-ruin-it.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 5 Aug 2009 01:02:53 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Famed Choreographer Dies... Intellectual Property Lawyers Take Over?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ A few years back, we wrote about the guy who claimed to have invented <i>The Electric Slide</i> sending <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070204/105948.shtml">DMCA takedown notices</a> to people who put up videos of people (at weddings, for example) dancing the dance.  Eventually, the EFF sued and the guy <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070522/172310.shtml">backed down</a>, but it looks like we haven't seen the end of aggressive enforcement of copyright control over choreography.  <a href="http://mimuspolyglottos.blogspot.com" target="_new">Mockingbird</a> writes in to let us know of a story talking about the recent death of choreographer Merce Cunningham, which focuses on how <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0729/p17s01-algn.html" target="_new">his estate is moving rapidly to execute a plan</a> concerning the intellectual property he held in his dances.  After discussing one of his famous routines that involved (literally) rolling some dice to determine the sequence, the article notes:
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Yet, in a press conference held in Cunningham's dance studio shortly before his death, Fishman announced, "The future of his life's work cannot be left to chance." 
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And from there, we get statements such as:
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Cunningham, according to board member Allan Sperling, "wanted clarity with respect to the ownership, control, and continuity of his choreography." Mr. Sperling adds, "He wanted it to be in the hands of those he trusted to carry out his philosophy and approach." The trust, which has meticulously documented his works, controls licensing of revivals. "Presumably," Sperling says, "the trustees will set standards for the way the work is performed."
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From there, the article branches off into a discussion on copyright.  While it gets some of the facts wrong (claiming that copyright exists to protect an artist's income, rather than the truth: it exists to create an incentive to create), it at least tries to balance some of the questions, discussing things like Creative Commons and the public domain.  It also discusses exactly how other choreographers have been held back by copyright:
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New York choreographer Jane Comfort has been inhibited artistically in the past by copyright barriers. She now commissions new scores for her dances rather than attempting to use copyrighted music. "It is stultifying and difficult," she says. "The music industry and literary estates can be really tough."  
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The article also quotes numerous other creative types hoping to get away from copyright and the hoops and hurdles people need to go through to create:
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Contemporary composer Joel Durand, a professor of composition at the University of Washington in Seattle, knows composers rely on royalties for income but says, "I wish we were not so obsessively entrenched in our little discoveries." He'd like his work to be freely available since, Durand says, "Everything we do is universal in a spiritual way. It all belongs to everybody because it doesn't come from us as individuals." Works "of an aesthetic nature," he adds, are produced "in collaboration with the world, and the creator should offer it to all rather than clasp their fists around their thought for gain."
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Holby, too, wonders if unfettered access might flower into "a new Renaissance with everyone inspiring everyone else."
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But... don't expect that to happen with Cunningham's work from the sound of things.  Even though the article notes that when he was alive he embraced change, collaboration, innovation and new technologies -- it's difficult to square that with this whole idea of his estate carefully controlling and licensing his works.  It's equally troubling to think that you can stop someone from dancing in a certain way just because someone else choreographed it first.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090730/0148035707.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090730/0148035707.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090730/0148035707.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>this-can't-end-well</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:09:21 PST</pubDate>
<title>Traditional Tribal Dance... Now Covered By Intellectual Property</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Remember a few years back when the "inventor" of the electric slide claimed to own the intellectual property on the dance and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070204/105948.shtml">sent takedown notices</a> to those who were using it without paying up?  Well, let's take that even further.  A whole bunch of folks have been sending in the story that the New Zealand government has agreed to <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/12/new-zealand-haka-maoris" target="_new">give intellectual property rights on an ancient tribal dance</a> back to that tribal group.  The group says they're trying to defend the dance from being exploited commercially, which "undermines" the "significance" of the dance.
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I can certainly understand why they might be upset from a traditional angle, but it seems fairly ridiculous that you can tell people how they can and cannot dance.  And, in fact, my guess is that eventually this tribal group will regret this decision.  If you cannot easily spread and share an ancient culture, you are pretty much guaranteeing that it will die out.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090212/1029103746.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090212/1029103746.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090212/1029103746.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>don't-dance-it!</slash:department>
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