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<pubDate>Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:24:34 PST</pubDate>
<title>How Does The Penalty For 'Content Theft' Match Up With Similar 'Crimes'?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've discussed, for years, how copyright maximalists have continually played with and twisted the language to make infringement sound much, much worse.  For years, of course, they liked to just call it "piracy," though in the last few years, they've sometimes shied away from that word, complaining that it made it <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100318/1326228625.shtml">seem glamorous</a>.  More recently, it seems they've been focused on calling it "content theft," somehow believing that that's more likely to get a reaction.
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Of course, as we've also pointed out time and time again <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4" target="_blank">copying is not theft</a>, and the two are exceptionally different:
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Of course, the second you start to go down this path, the copyright maximalists accuse you of playing semantics (which really  means they don't like it when you prove their analogy isn't accurate at all).  However, what if we accept their claim that copyright infringement is somehow "content theft"?  Just as a thought experiment, let's grant them their ridiculous premise... and <a href="http://pandodaily.com/2012/01/18/how-hollywood-twisted-theft-laws-long-before-sopa/" target="_blank">compare the punishment to similar forms of "theft."</a>  That's exactly what copyright lawyer Andrew P. Bridges has done, noting that since copyright infringement isn't anything like typical theft (since no product is missing), it could be described in similar terms to other "crimes" that involve someone failing to pay the required amount:
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Under the &#8220;theft&#8221; conception of copyright law, what, exactly, is the deprivation when someone makes illegal copies?  It really boils down to just one thing:  money.  Copyright infringement &#8211; renamed copyright theft &#8212; deprives the copyright holder of some of his or her expected profit from exploiting the copyright.
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What are other, similar kinds of &#8220;theft&#8221; by depriving someone of expected money?  Failure of a tenant to pay the agreed rent to a landlord is one.  Parking in a parking space without putting money in the meter is another.  Jumping the turnstile to ride on a subway without paying the fare is a third.  (And, of course, failure of a studio or record label to pay artists or actors the promised contractual royalties for their work on a record or film is a fourth.  But something tells me the studios and labels sponsoring the current bills won&#8217;t go near that topic.  The bills don&#8217;t include rogue studios and labels in their scope.)
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Okay, so if we grant them their premise, and then compare it to similar cases where people don't pay the requested fee, but still get the "benefit," then what is the punishment in those other cases?  Bridges notices that there appears to be one... um... outlier in the group:
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How do the civil damages or penalties for the different types of such &#8220;theft&#8221; compare?  Failure to pay expected money under a contract doesn&#8217;t trigger a penalty: contract law usually says that a party can recover the money she expected but not punitive damages or attorneys fees (unless parties have specifically bargained to pay attorneys fees for a breach).  Failure to pay rent usually requires payment of rent to cure the default.  Failure to put money in the parking meter prompts a ticket for $60.  In New York City, failure to pay the $2.50 subway fare results in a maximum fine of $100.
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Copyright &#8220;theft&#8221; is a very different story.  Copyright infringement statutory damages in civil litigation can be as high as $150,000 for infringement of a single work.  Yes, a single work such as a single song with an iTunes download value of $1.  <b>A copyright holder can claim such statutory damages without needing to prove a single penny of damage or loss. </b> Think such sky-high damages aren&#8217;t realistic?  Think again.  In the RIAA&#8217;s case against single mother Jammie Thomas, a jury awarded $1,500,000 for the download of 24 songs, with no proof that she had transmitted songs to others.  The federal judge thought that was ridiculous and reduced the total award to $54,000 &#8211; and the RIAA and MPAA are now arguing strenuously on appeal that the jury verdict should return to the original figure, $62,500 per downloaded song.
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What if we work backwards, and see how the law might punish those other, similar, infractions with a damages system similar to copyright:
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If we take copyright law&#8217;s maximum-penalty-to-price ratio as applied to an illegal download, and apply that same penalty-to-price ratio to the New York subway, the maximum penalty for jumping that turnstile and avoiding the $2.50 fare would be $375,000 instead of $100.  Copyright industries are on to a really good thing <b>under current law</b>.  One could say it&#8217;s a steal.
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And yet the industry claims that copyright laws are too <i>weak</i> currently?  That seems difficult to square with reality.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120201/01172117619/how-does-penalty-content-theft-match-up-with-similar-crimes.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120201/01172117619/how-does-penalty-content-theft-match-up-with-similar-crimes.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120201/01172117619/how-does-penalty-content-theft-match-up-with-similar-crimes.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:31:36 PST</pubDate>
<title>Computers That Accurately Guess What Gangs Did What Crimes</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ A few folks sent over this report of efforts by some researchers at UCLA to create an algorithm that <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-ucla-gang-computer-20111101,0,563462.story" target="_blank">can accurately take data on existing gang-related crimes, and use it to predict what gangs</a> were involved in new crimes.  It certainly has that "minority report -- pre-crime" feel to it, though I can certainly see where it could be useful.  What concerns me, though, is that systems like this are only as accurate as the data they use.  And, as has been <a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/right-to-remain-silent" target="_blank">reported elsewhere</a>, one of the unintended consequences of such computer analysis of crime data is that it drives police departments to falsify or change crime reports in order to make their own numbers look better.  So it makes you wonder how accurate those reports will be if the incentives to fudge the actual crime data continue to be in place.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111103/02315616608/computers-that-accurately-guess-what-gangs-did-what-crimes.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111103/02315616608/computers-that-accurately-guess-what-gangs-did-what-crimes.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111103/02315616608/computers-that-accurately-guess-what-gangs-did-what-crimes.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>minority-report?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:15:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Is Operation Payback A Crime... Or Just The Modern Equivalent Of A Sit In?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ With the news coming out that Dutch officials have <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/12/wikileaks_anonymous_arrests/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired27b+%28Blog+-+27B+Stroke+6+%28Threat+Level%29%29" target="_blank">supposedly arrested someone</a> involved in "Operation Payback," the Anonymous-driven DDoSing of certain websites (first those in favor of stronger copyright, and now those working against Wikileaks), Evgeny Morozov raises an interesting question: <a href="http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/12/09/parsing_the_impact_of_anonymous" target="_blank">is this just the modern digital equivalent of staging a sit-in</a>?
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I don't think that their attacks are necessarily illegal or immoral. As long as they don't break into other people's computers, launching DDoS should not be treated as a crime by default; we have to think about the particular circumstances in which such attacks are launched and their targets. I like to think of DDoS as equivalents of sit-ins: both aim at briefly disrupting a service or an institution in order to make a point. As long as we don't criminalize all sit-ins, I don't think we should aim at criminalizing all DDoS. 
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That's part of a larger post, where he worries that the government will overreact to these forms of attacks and use it to try to get greater oversight over the internet, and force less anonymity online.  Of course, I would imagine that any such attempt to do so would backfire, and simply drive forward efforts to create more truly distributed and underground connections.
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Later, Morozov notes that, in Germany at least, courts have said that activism-driven DDoS's are, in fact, <a href="http://www.cpeterson.org/2009/07/21/in-praise-of-some-ddoss/" target="_blank">the equivalent of a sit-in</a>.
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I can see both sides of this argument.  Of course, you can also argue that a basic sit-in is a form of trespassing, and thus against the law, but we tend to tolerate it for the most part.  But, like many sit-ins, I think the bigger issue is that I'm not convinced these DDoS attacks are even remotely effective.  Do they get attention?  Yes, absolutely.  Especially the attacks on Visa and MasterCard.  But will it actually do anything productive?  That's not clear.  It might make some companies think twice before doing certain things, but I'm not sure it will really matter that much.
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The longer term effects may be more damaging.  I'm not convinced the government would actually be able to successfully crack down via any attempt to get greater oversight on internet usage, but I think that there is the potential that these forms of attacks will backfire and could make people take the real issues behind censorship and online freedom less seriously, as they're associated with what's viewed as a sort of immature and sophomoric approach to the discussion.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101209/12193312214/is-operation-payback-crime-just-modern-equivalent-sit.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101209/12193312214/is-operation-payback-crime-just-modern-equivalent-sit.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101209/12193312214/is-operation-payback-crime-just-modern-equivalent-sit.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Feb 2010 23:36:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Google's Street View Used To Catch Illegal Tree Choppers?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100201/1314577992.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ There's been lots of talk about whether or not Google's Street View effort violates anyone's privacy -- and also whether or not it's proper for police to use photos that were uploaded online in charging people with crimes.  How about a combination of the two?  A property owner in Canada was <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/02/google-camera-nabs-alleged-tree-killer/?utm_source=feedburner&#038;utm_medium=feed&#038;utm_campaign=Feed%3A wired27b %28Blog - 27B Stroke 6 %28Threat Level%29%29" target="_blank">caught illegally chopping down some trees on a lot</a>, and Google's Street View images appear to catch the tree choppers red handed.  It's not yet clear if the Street View images will be used in the prosecution, but it does seem like valid evidence, though again it will raise privacy questions.  However, I'm not sure what the argument really would be there, since it would really be no different than a neighbor taking a photograph (it was the neighbors who complained about the tree chopping in the first place).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100201/1314577992.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100201/1314577992.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100201/1314577992.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>watch-who's-driving-by</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:43:36 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Why Do The Police Call In The RIAA To Investigate Potential Crimes?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've long known that the boundary between US law enforcement and the enforcement wings of certain lobbyist organizations like the RIAA is way too blurry, but TorrentFreak is raising some important questions about <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-victim-or-prosecutor-080913/" target="_new">why the police will call in RIAA investigators on certain cases</a>, such as one where a speeding stop in Illinois resulted in a cop <a href="http://www.enewspf.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=4670&#038;Itemid=2" target="_new">calling in the RIAA</a> after spindles of writeable DVDs and CDs was found in the car.  While the RIAA and law enforcement have a history of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080220/151032309.shtml">working closely together</a> (and many people go back and forth between the two), the RIAA is still a highly biased party here, and shouldn't be involved in investigations where it has a personal stake.  While some politicians are trying to turn US law enforcement into the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080911/1804242241.shtml">private police</a> of the entertainment industry, that doesn't mean that police should just consider RIAA investigators their peers.  So can anyone explain why RIAA investigators should be allowed to be involved in such cases and why no one's called US law enforcement on things like this before?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080915/0212372271.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080915/0212372271.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080915/0212372271.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 08:58:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>New York Wants To Punish Criminals For Incriminating Selves On YouTube</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've been seeing plenty of stories lately that incorrectly place the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061126/231752.shtml">blame</a> when people film themselves doing something illegal and put that video online.  This <i>should</i> be something where politicians and the police should be thrilled.  After all, it makes it that much easier for the police to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060406/0837211.shtml">find them</a>, arrest them and convict them of a crime.  If people are so stupid to post evidence of their crime in public, then isn't that a good thing?  Yet, politicians who incorrectly like to put the blame for the <i>crime</i> on the <i>video</i> of the crime, come up with harebrained proposals like a new one in New York that will <a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080512.wgtviolence0512/BNStory/Technology/?page=rss&#038;id=RTGAM.20080512.wgtviolence0512" target="_new">make putting a video of yourself committing a violent crime online a felony in itself</a> (above and beyond whatever charges you might face for the violence).  Think about that for a second.  New York politicians are basically telling people that they'll get charged with even greater crimes if they decide to incriminate themselves by posting evidence online.  This makes no sense.
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The reasoning behind the bill is that politicians believe people are committing these kinds of crimes for the publicity in the first place.  The thinking is that such crimes wouldn't happen at all if they couldn't be put online.  However, that's rather meaningless.  If someone is going to commit a violent crime -- punish the violence itself.  Not the fact that the idiots handed over the evidence as part of a publicity stunt.  If the (small number) of idiots who commit violent crimes and post the videos online are getting caught and arrested for the violence itself, shouldn't that act as enough disincentive?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080512/1802591092.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080512/1802591092.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080512/1802591092.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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