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<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 20:08:55 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Unfortunate: Twitter Forces Flattr To Stop Its Twitter Integration</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Just a few weeks ago, we wrote about how Flattr had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/startups/articles/20130319/02242822371/flattr-makes-it-easier-than-ever-to-support-content-creators-just-favoriting-tweets.shtml">integrated</a> with services like Twitter and Instagram to make it incredibly easy to support content creators (including us!) by just favoriting a tweet.  Not surprisingly, in the first month after that went into effect, we saw a boost in revenue from Flattr.  Unfortunately, Flattr has now announced that <a href="http://blog.flattr.net/2013/04/twitter-is-forcing-us-to-drop-users-ability-to-flattr-creators-by-favoriting-their-tweets/" target="_blank">Twitter has forced the company to stop this integration</a>.
<br /><br />
Flattr had been using the Twitter API to figure out what people had favorited, and had been gathering data about the specific tweets.  However, Twitter told the company that it was violating section IV. 2 C from its <a href="https://dev.twitter.com/terms/api-terms" target="_blank">API terms</a>.  That term says that:
<blockquote><i>
Your advertisements cannot resemble or reasonably be confused by users as a Tweet. For example, ads cannot have Tweet actions like follow, retweet, favorite, and reply. And you cannot sell or receive compensation for Tweet actions or the placement of Tweet actions on your Service.
</i></blockquote>
It's that last part where the trouble came in.  Of course, it seems clear that that particular line in the terms of service was designed for situations where people are "selling" tweets or something similar.  Not for cases where a service like Flattr is helping people make money from supporters.  In response, Flattr even said that it would waive its standard 10% fee on any Flattrs that come via tweets.  Twitter told them it wasn't good enough.  Now, you can argue that "rules are rules," but rules need to make some sense.  And it's unclear what kind of sense this makes.  There's nothing about the way in which Flattr is using Twttier that is negative for Twitter.  It seems like a really nice and useful addition.  Obviously, we're somewhat biased, because it also helped us make a few bucks (not much, but some), but I can't see how it makes sense for Twitter to block this functionality.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130416/01322422720/unfortunate-twitter-forces-flattr-to-stop-its-twitter-integration.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130416/01322422720/unfortunate-twitter-forces-flattr-to-stop-its-twitter-integration.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130416/01322422720/unfortunate-twitter-forces-flattr-to-stop-its-twitter-integration.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 15:57:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Campbell's Hack The Kitchen Shows Anyone Can Have An Innovative Idea, And Anyone Can Screw It Up</title>
<dc:creator>Leigh Beadon</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>We're just about to start experimenting with a variety of new advertising setups here at Techdirt, which means we've been doing a lot of brainstorming about opportunities for creative, interesting campaigns in keeping with our philosophy that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080318/004136567/advertising-is-content-content-is-advertising.shtml">good advertising is good content</a>. One thing we've been noticing over and over is that the most innovative online marketing pushes don't just come from the usual suspects (tech companies and online services) but also from unexpected places&mdash;like a century-old soup company.</p>
<p>Campbell's is running <a href="http://www.hackthekitchen.com/">a very cool campaign called Hack The Kitchen</a>, for which they've developed a full-fledged recipe searching API that pulls data from their <a href="http://www.campbellskitchen.com/">Campbell's Kitchen</a> repository.</p>
<blockquote><em>This is your opportunity to revolutionize dinners everywhere: Develop a breakout idea based on the Campbell's Kitchen API that helps people decide: what&#8217;s for dinner tonight?<br /><br />
After seeing all the ideas, we&#8217;ll choose up to thirty semi-finalists and give them our API for three weeks to bring their ideas to life.<br /><br />
Up to ten finalists will then be invited to present their projects at Google&#8217;s HQ in NYC to compete for the championship and launch their ideas into the world.</em></blockquote>
<p>It's a fantastic concept, and the API looks genuinely useful. Not only is the contest itself a great marketing opportunity, it's setting Campbell's up for ongoing exposure through the apps that are developed.</p>
<p>But, having said how cool this is from a marketing perspective, it's time for the disclaimer&mdash;and it's a big one. The moment you get past the initial idea and into the details, things really start to fall apart from an innovation perspective. Firstly, as you probably noticed, the API is <em>not</em> being opened up to the public&mdash;only to the contest semi-finalists. That severely limits the amount of innovation that will happen, and the amount of exposure the company will get as a result&mdash;it also limits the number of developers that will even <em>want</em> to participate. Unfortunately, Campbell's reason for this is clear: they intend to take total ownership of anything that comes out of this campaign.</p>
<p>In fact, they are so concerned about this that the fine print states the cash prizes ($25,000 plus a development contract for the winner, $10,000 to runners up) are <strong>not prizes at all</strong>&mdash;they are a fee for your work:</p>
<blockquote><em>*Paid by Cambell for ownership of all ideas, concepts, code and intellectual property.</em></blockquote>
<p>Setting aside the fact that you cannot own an "idea", this just stinks. On the one hand, it's not uncommon for creative contests to take ownership of submissions (though that's hardly universal), but it is the complete antithesis of what <em>appears</em> to be the spirit of this campaign: hacking and innovation. This is actually a big problem with corporate-run hackathons and coding contests, which frequently demand total ownership at the end. No smart developer with a truly great app idea would give it away for $25,000 for the copyright plus another $25,000 to build it&mdash;a popular app with a long tail can be worth way, way more than that.</p>
<p>There's nothing wrong with Campbell's trying to get an official app or two out of this&mdash;but when you look closely, the people who are submitting these ideas don't seem to be getting much in return. They want everyone to submit their best ideas for free, then they want 30 people to actually build those ideas&mdash;then Campbell's will plunk down $10k to take total ownership of any that "could be developed by Campbell in the future" (thus stopping all those runners-up from moving forward with their apps independently, and presumably cutting off their API access) and toss $50k to one developer to make their app market-ready. The winner gets an <em>okay</em> deal, while the runners-up pretty much get screwed.</p>
<p>So, for the next time Campbell's or another company tries a genuinely cool and innovative idea like this, I suggest a few tweaks to make the execution less distasteful. Firstly, open the API up to everyone, and leave it open; have sensible limitations like any public API, but let people build what they want. Secondly, give away modest but genuine prizes with no strings, while <em>offering</em> a bounty for ideas that you want to own without making that rights transfer a requirement of the contest. Thirdly, promote the submitted apps in a public gallery, and encourage all developers to move forward with building, deploying and marketing their apps&mdash;you'll get a hell of a lot more exposure, and you might even find your API becoming the de facto standard for such development.</p>
<p>In the mean time, to anyone eyeing the contest while an idea ferments in their brain, I suggest letting the Friday deadline for submissions lapse, and looking into some of the <a href="http://punchfork.com/api" target="_blank">free</a> and <a href="http://api.bigoven.com/" target="_blank">open</a> recipe APIs to power your app.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130130/08552721826/campbells-hack-kitchen-shows-anyone-can-have-innovative-idea-anyone-can-screw-it-up.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130130/08552721826/campbells-hack-kitchen-shows-anyone-can-have-innovative-idea-anyone-can-screw-it-up.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130130/08552721826/campbells-hack-kitchen-shows-anyone-can-have-innovative-idea-anyone-can-screw-it-up.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>ideas-and-execution</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:29:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Google Asks For $4 Million In Legal Fees From Oracle</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Having <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">lost</a> its patent/copyright case against Google in somewhat spectacular fashion, Oracle is now facing the possibility of <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/07/google-oracle-legal-fees/" target="_blank">having to also pay Google over $4 million in legal fees</a>.  Google has submitted its calculation of legal fees that it's seeking from Oracle, and it totals up to $4,030,669.  Of course, this case is heading for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml">appeal</a>, so this number may be meaningless.  However, it does suggest that Oracle -- which once seemed to believe this case might bring it billions of dollars -- may quickly discover that it's costing an awful lot instead...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2012 23:59:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Tech Still One Step Ahead: New Service Downloads Torrents Directly To Dropbox</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120624/23541219454/tech-still-one-step-ahead-new-service-downloads-torrents-directly-to-dropbox.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ <em><strong>Update:</strong> Well, that didn't take long. Dropbox has already <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/dropbox-bans-bittorrent-startup-boxopus-over-piracy-concerns-120626/" target="_blank">blocked Boxopus</a>.</em>
<br /><br />
Every time some sort of file sharing service is shut down or someone else is arrested, we hear the regular crew of supporters of the existing copyright regime declare victory.  But, every time, people just shift to some other service and move on.  None of it leads people to suddenly spend money again when they hadn't before.  TorrentFreak recently had an article about a service calls Boxopus, which uses Dropbox's API to <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/boxopus-downloads-torrents-to-dropbox-120623/" target="_blank">automatically download content from torrents to a Dropbox file</a>. Think of it as torrenting in the cloud.  From a user perspective, there are plenty of advantages, including the fact that the content is then available on all your synced devices.  Of course, there's also the fact that for an end user, it's somewhat anonymous -- since Boxopus is the "downloader" rather than the user themselves.  So if the content is infringing, it's more difficult to track them down (though, I would imagine not impossible, if someone got access to Boxopus' logs).  Apparently, a number of services have already implemented this as a download option.  Of course, this probably just means that Boxopus will soon be targeted as a "problem" even though it has plenty of non-infringing uses, and actually could be quite handy for all kinds of authorized activities in a more cloud-centric universe.
<br /><br />
Either way, what strikes me about this is a simple fact: the technology always advances.  It sees areas where people try to stop it, and figures out a way to route around it.  Whether or not people <i>like</i> this, it exists, and tons of other, similar offerings will likely exist in short order.  You can fight the tide -- as some seem to want to do -- or you can look at ways that you might take advantage of tools like this.  Only one of those is a winning strategy.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120624/23541219454/tech-still-one-step-ahead-new-service-downloads-torrents-directly-to-dropbox.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120624/23541219454/tech-still-one-step-ahead-new-service-downloads-torrents-directly-to-dropbox.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120624/23541219454/tech-still-one-step-ahead-new-service-downloads-torrents-directly-to-dropbox.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>it's-unstoppable</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:44:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Even The Judge Wonders What Oracle Is Up To As It Asks For $0 In Copyright Damages From Google</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Having <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">lost</a> both its patent and copyright claims against Google in somewhat spectacular fashion (remember when it was claiming billions in damages?), Oracle recently agreed in court that it was fine with <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228298/Oracle_agrees_to_zero_damages_in_Google_lawsuit_eyes_appeal" target="_blank">receiving $0 in statutory damages for the short snippets of code that were copied</a>.  This even took the judge by surprise, who asked if there was a "catch" he should be aware of.  The issue is one that is really more procedural than anything else: everyone realizes that the only thing that matters now is what happens in the appeal, and if Oracle happens to win the appeal, it can revisit the damages question.  Either way, however, it is a bit symbolic to see Oracle "accept" $0 in damages.  And, of course, there is still one more part to this round in district court, which is that Google is expected to seek attorneys' fees from Oracle as well -- meaning that Oracle's plan to get billions from Google may turn into not just a loss, but a really, really expensive loss.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>procedural</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 15:46:23 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Judge Delivers Thorough And Complete Smackdown Of Oracle's Copyright Claims</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, well.  A few weeks ago, the jury in the Google/Oracle lawsuit ruled that Google <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml">infringed</a> on a very small amount of Java API, but as we noted it was still an open question (and one for the judge to rule on) whether or not APIs were even eligible to be covered by copyright.  In the second phase of the case, the jury completely <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120523/11050519050/boom-jury-says-no-patent-infringement-google-oracle-case.shtml">rejected</a> the idea that Google had infringed on Oracle's patents.  So all that left was the 37 APIs.  And that tiny "win" for Oracle is now gone as well, as the judge has ruled that those particular APIs are not covered by copyright:
<blockquote><i>
So long as the specific code used to implement a method is different, anyone is free
under the Copyright Act to write his or her own code to carry out exactly the same function
or specification of any methods used in the Java API. It does not matter that the declaration or
method header lines are identical. Under the rules of Java, they must be identical to declare a
method specifying the same functionality &#8212; even when the implementation is different.
When there is only one way to express an idea or function, then everyone is free to do so and
no one can monopolize that expression. And, while the Android method and class names could
have been different from the names of their counterparts in Java and still have worked, copyright
protection never extends to names or short phrases as a matter of law.
<br /><br />
It is true that the very same functionality could have been offered in Android
without duplicating the exact command structure used in Java. This could have been done by re-arranging the various methods under different groupings among the various classes and
packages (even if the same names had been used). In this sense, there were many ways to group
the methods yet still duplicate the same range of functionality.
<br /><br />
But the names are more than just names &#8212; they are symbols in a command structure
wherein the commands take the form
<center>
java.package.Class.method()
</center>
Each command calls into action a pre-assigned function. The overall name tree, of course, has
creative elements but it is also a precise command structure &#8212; a utilitarian and functional set
of symbols, each to carry out a pre-assigned function. <b>This command structure is a system or
method of operation under Section 102(b) of the Copyright Act and, therefore, cannot be
copyrighted</b>. Duplication of the command structure is necessary for interoperability.

</i></blockquote>
As some have pointed out the ruling <i>is</i> somewhat narrowly focused <i>just</i> on these 37 APIs, but the principles involved in why those 37 APIs are not copyrightable certainly will apply to plenty of other APIs as well.  The ruling itself (embedded below) is pretty thorough and detailed.  We had noted earlier that Judge Alsup had admitted that he'd <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120518/04252818965/should-people-learn-to-code-yes-if-they-are-judges-ruling-cases-involving-software.shtml">learned to code Java</a> in order to better understand the case (and that he'd had a history of knowing other coding languages as well) -- and it shows.  Rather than using braindead broad analogies that don't make much sense, as we see all too often in court rulings, Alsup gets to the heart of the matter and clearly understands what an API is and how it works.  His ruling is actually a decent primer on some parts of code for those who have never coded.
<br /><br />
From that, Alsup points out just how ridiculous this entire case has been -- and specifically notes that he's explaining the level of ridiculousness of Oracle's position <i>for the benefit of the appeals court</i> who will surely hear this case once Oracle appeals (and which almost certainly will be staffed with judges not nearly as clued-in as Judge Alsup).
<blockquote><i>
Oracle has made much of nine lines of code that crept into both Android and Java.
This circumstance is so innocuous and overblown by Oracle that the actual facts, as found
herein by the judge, will be set forth below for the benefit of the court of appeals.
</i></blockquote>
He goes on to explain not just how insignificant the situation was, but he details how it happened and why it's crazy to consider it worthy of a copyright infringement suit.  It's a pretty complete smackdown of Oracle's position.
<br /><br />
Again, it is quite likely that Oracle will appeal, even though this ruling is so firm it might be smarter for Oracle to issue a giant apology to the tech community and just get on with doing business.  That seems unlikely, of course, as Oracle probably hopes to find less knowledgeable judges on appeal.  One hopes, however, that the appeals court judges will recognize the very, very thorough nature of Judge Alsup's ruling, and reject any appeal as well.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 11:08:51 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Boom: Jury Says No Patent Infringement By Google In Oracle Case</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120523/11050519050/boom-jury-says-no-patent-infringement-google-oracle-case.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Remember back when Oracle was claiming that Google owed it <i>billions</i> of dollars for infringing on Oracle patents and copyrights?  Yeah.  Forget that.  The jury just <a href="https://twitter.com/CNETNews/statuses/205357861600108544" target="_blank">said that there's no patent infringement <i>at all</i></a> and the judge has dismissed the jury.  All that's left in this phase of the case is for the judge to make a determination over the copyright issue -- and if he decides APIs cannot be covered by copyright, Oracle will have a complete and total loss.  Of course, Oracle will almost certainly appeal, but this case has turned into something of a complete disaster for the company.
<br /><br />
Groklaw <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120523125023818" target="_blank">has the details</a> with "no" answers across the board:
<blockquote><i>
Clerk:
<p>
Question 1: has Oracle proved by preponderance of evidence that Google infringed?</p><p>

Claim 11: not proven<br />
27: no<br />
29: no<br />
39: no<br />
40: no<br />
41: no</p><p>

Question 2: not proven</p><p>

1: no<br />
20: no</p><p>

Question 3:  no answer, no response, not applicable.

</p>
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<slash:department>there-goes-that-one</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 16:01:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Judge Ridicules Oracle's Risky Choice To Forego Statutory Damages And Seek Bigger Payout</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've written tons of stuff on the ridiculousness of statutory damages for copyright infringement -- which can put damages for a single infringement at up to $150,000 (for willful infringement).  When you're talking about a $0.99 song, that seems completely out of line.  The reason for statutory damages (supposedly) is that figuring out actual damages is simply too difficult, so a statutory range lets you ignore any discussion of having to prove real damages.  In most copyright lawsuits, plaintiffs automatically take the statutory damages rates.  It's pretty rare for anyone to opt-out.  However, opting out is <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/oracle-ignores-judges-advice-going-after-infringed-profits/76637?utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter" target="_blank">exactly what Oracle has done</a> in its ongoing lawsuit against Google.  And it did this despite the judge ridiculing the company for the decision.  From Rachel King at ZDNet:
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When Alsup heard Jacobs say this, he warned that if Oracle goes down this path, they might not win anything at all, adding that it is the &#8220;height of ridiculousness&#8221; to think that Oracle could claim &#8220;hundreds of millions&#8221; of dollars for nine lines of code.
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&#8220;The law can&#8217;t operate that way,&#8221; Alsup said. &#8220;In my mind, you&#8217;re making a mistake.&#8221;
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In a later discussion on Friday morning, David Boies, also representing Oracle, tried to defend this strategy, arguing that the burden of proof is on Google here &#8212; not Oracle.
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&#8220;What we are saying is once you proved infringement, we think under the law we have claim for infringer&#8217;s profit case,&#8221; Boies asserted.
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The only thing I can figure here is that Oracle is doing this just to be a pest.  Even if it does eventually win on the copyright issue (still an open question given the judge needing to rule on the copyrightability of APIs), it's not going to get that much money either way.  The $150,000 statutory damages numbers are pocket change for either company, but as the judge made clear, in all likelihood it would get less (or nothing) if it tries to get "infringer's profits," because the contribution of the code in question is so minimal.  However, it is possible that the fight over what those "profits" might be will simply prolong the case... and the expense of the case.  So perhaps this is just a strategy by Oracle to drag things out?  Maybe its lawyers are hoping that will make Google want to settle?  Other than that, I'm with the judge in being a bit perplexed by the reasoning here.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120511/15042218886/judge-ridicules-oracles-risky-choice-to-forego-statutory-damages-seek-bigger-payout.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120511/15042218886/judge-ridicules-oracles-risky-choice-to-forego-statutory-damages-seek-bigger-payout.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120511/15042218886/judge-ridicules-oracles-risky-choice-to-forego-statutory-damages-seek-bigger-payout.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 7 May 2012 11:48:15 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Confused Jury Says Google Infringed On Oracle's Copyright, Sorta, But Maybe Not</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There was some indication last week that the jury in the Oracle/Google lawsuit was having trouble coming to agreement, and it appears that despite some effort to try to fix that, in the end the jury remained deadlocked on a bunch of issues.  However, <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/7/3004697/oracle-google-trial-deadlocked-jury-partial-verdict" target="_blank">it did decide that Google infringed on Oracle's copyright</a> in the Java APIs it used -- but what the jury punted on was whether or not those uses were allowed via fair use.  This seems a bit odd, since fair use, despite supposedly being a defense, still means that there was no infringement.  So, basically the jury said that Google <i>may</i> have infringed... which is pretty useless for a jury.  Separately, the jury <i>rejected</i> the idea that Google infringed on the documentation of the APIs.  It also found that Google <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57428612-94/oracle-v-google-jury-returns-partial-verdict-favoring-oracle/" target="_blank">did not infringe</a> on the comments for some of the code, but <i>did</i> infringe on using rangeCheck in two files.  That said, the jury again punted on whether or not the use was de minimis (which, again, would mean non-infringement).
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According to The Verge (who is in the court room), the jury also wasn't buying the claim that Google relied on Sun's statements saying that Google's use was okay. The jury's main problem with Google's claim here wasn't that Sun hadn't made clear that the use was acceptable.  It was that there wasn't much evidence that Google actually relied on such claims from Sun.  I can understand <i>why</i> the jury might claim this, but I wonder why it would matter.  Given that Sun made clear that Google's use was acceptable, in what world could you later turn around and claim that its use was unacceptable?
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Either way, the fact that the jury couldn't come to an answer on the fair use/de minimis questions effectively sinks the entire process.  Google immediately asked the judge to declare a mistrial, and the judge has supposedly asked both companies to prepare arguments over whether or not a mistrial should be declared, so this is far from over.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:01:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Fight Is On Between Oracle And Google Over Java API Copyrights</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last summer, we noted that there was an interesting <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110822/11242915616/side-show-oracle-google-patent-fight-are-apis-covered-copyright.shtml">"sideshow"</a> in the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml">patent dispute</a> between Oracle and Google -- a question of whether or not Java's APIs are covered by copyright.  That "sideshow" has become the main attraction now that <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17705873" target="_blank">the trial has started</a> and many of the patent claims have been kicked out.
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Oracle has been <a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/opening-slides-1592541.pdf" target="_blank">quite public with its argument</a> (pdf), which is mostly based on taking snippets from Google emails that suggest a need to license Java.  The favorite of the bunch is this one:
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They also point to some snippets of code that do appeared to be copied:
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If you just see that side of it, you might be convinced, but the details suggest a much less convincing story.  First off, there are serious concerns about whether or not an API even <i>can</i> be covered by copyright.  In fact, before Sun was acquired by Oracle, Sun's own CTO had said that "internet specifications are not protectable under copyright," which (you might think) gives Google an implied go ahead to make use of the API.  Furthermore, many of the email snippets that Oracle presents are taken out of context -- they show little snippets of big emails and pull from very very different time periods -- ranging from 2005 to 2010, when different factors applied.  Oracle also <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110724/11263315224/oracle-deletes-jonathan-schwartzs-old-blog-which-excitedly-celebrated-googles-use-java-android.shtml">scrubbed</a> a blog from former Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz in which he warmly welcomed Google to the Java family when the company launched Android.
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Perhaps more damning: Larry Ellison himself in 2009 at the JavaOne event spoke about Google's Android development and how they were contributing code back to Java.  Ellison himself was put on the stand and <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/04/ellison-page/" target="_blank">appeared to contradict his own depositions</a> when it came time to discuss the specifics of the copyright.  That can't go over well.  Not only that, but he stumbled, and claimed he was "not sure" when asked specific questions:
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On cross-examination, Google came out firing and the room got tense quickly. &#8220;Do you understand that no one owns the Java programming language?&#8221; lead counsel Robert Van Nest asked.
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Ellison began a longer answer, but Judge William Alsup interrupted him and said it was a &#8220;yes or no&#8221; question. Finally Ellison said, &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure.&#8221;
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&#8220;And anyone can use it without royalty?&#8221; Van Nest followed up.
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&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure,&#8221; Ellison said again.
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Then Van Nest showed a video of Ellison receiving the same question on a deposition video and answering &#8220;That&#8217;s correct&#8221; to both.
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Oracle's response, of course, will be that it just meant for developing apps, not for using the API -- but its other statements are a lot less clear on that.  Either way, it seems pretty clear that Sun gave an implied open license to these things, so to come back now and insist otherwise is pretty questionable.  Furthermore, there still are questions as to whether or not an API can actually be covered by copyright at all.
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Separately, Oracle keeps talking about just how much work it is to create APIs, and even points to some Google statements about the difficulty of doing so.  That's smoke and mirrors.  Difficulty has no bearing on copyright law.  It's kind of surprising that Oracle's lawyers would even bring it up, as "sweat of the brow" arguments won't get very far.  Hell, even if it biases a jury, it would get rejected on appeal.  It seems like Oracle's strategy here is just to confuse the jury and go for guilty by association because they're going to have trouble showing actual guilt.
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As for the specific code snippets shown above, those a few lines out of 50,000 or so files.  Under copyright there's a defense known as de minimis copying, if you're just found to have copied a very tiny portion of something.  It seems like that might apply here as well.
<br /><br />
Also, you may have heard stories about the results of this trial potentially being worth billions of dollars or something, but that was before most of the patents got thrown out.  The patents left over aren't worth very much at all, and <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120319191637551" target="_blank">the end result</a> means that if Oracle wins, it'll likely get less than $100 million. That's still a significant sum, but it's a lot less than what Oracle had hoped to get in this lawsuit.
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In the end, as it seemed from the beginning, Oracle's case looks pretty weak (and getting weaker).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 1 Dec 2011 19:59:40 PST</pubDate>
<title>Spotify Finally Becomes A True Platform: Now Let's See Some Innovation</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Nearly two years ago, Spotify first <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100204/0047288037.shtml">hinted</a> at its desire to set itself up as a platform that others could build things on top of.  And it's <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/11/spotify-music-platform/all/1" target="_blank">finally become a reality</a>.  This could actually be quite cool.  Just a couple months ago, we were pointing out that just "putting radio on the internet" isn't that cool, but that we need <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110915/15172615970/getting-past-just-putting-radio-internet-killer-apps-come-next.shtml">killer apps for music</a>.  Spotify as a platform will hopefully make it easier for those killer apps to happen.  The current crop of apps that they launched with are pretty ordinary, but I'm excited to think what comes next.  Things I'd love to see: Turntable.fm (still the most addictive and coolest "social music" service out there) integrated directly into Spotify) as well as integration with things like TopSpin or Bandcamp.  Right now there are options to do ticketsales, but what if you could build in ways to let people buy merch... or, better yet, <i>connect</i> with the artist directly via Spotify?  And those are the obvious ones.  The real killer app is probably going to take us all entirely by surprise.  This is, by the way, yet another reason that short-sighted artists and labels are going to regret dropping out of Spotify.  You have to be where the killer apps are or you're going to get left behind.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111201/03541116940/spotify-finally-becomes-true-platform-now-lets-see-some-innovation.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111201/03541116940/spotify-finally-becomes-true-platform-now-lets-see-some-innovation.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111201/03541116940/spotify-finally-becomes-true-platform-now-lets-see-some-innovation.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:08:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Twitter Wishes 4.5 Million Osama Bin Laden-Related Tweets Into Their API Cornfield</title>
<dc:creator>Tim Cushing</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>Considering Twitter was instrumental in <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110501/23343014105/interesting-world-man-unwittingly-live-tweets-raid-that-killed-osama-bin-laden.shtml" target="_blank">breaking the story of Osama Bin Laden's death</a>, it seems somewhat strange that they would also be instrumental in limiting access to one of the biggest stories of 2011, if not the decade. (Of course, we're barely into this decade so we probably shouldn't be building these &quot;best of&quot; lists quite yet...) At the center of this unfortunate situation is a dataset constructed from public tweets using either &quot;osama&quot; or &quot;bin laden,&quot; which was compiled using Twitter's own API.</p><p> Shortly after hearing of Bin Laden's unexpected mortal coil shuffling, <a href="http://thenerfherder.blogspot.com/2011/05/twitter-prohibits-research-on-osama-bin.html" target="_blank">Rob Domanski</a>, who blogs as The Nerfherder, was informed of an archive of Osama Bin Laden-related tweets, all packaged up in handy XML format for use with DiscoverText software:</p><blockquote><em>The datafiles were samples taken from live feed Twitter imports starting shortly after the announcement that Osama bin Laden&rsquo;s death.</em><ul><li><em>Twitter searches for &quot;bin laden&quot; (647,585 documents, 505 MB)</em></li><li><em>Twitter searches for &quot;osama&quot; (586,665 documents, 451 MB)</em></li></ul><em>This was all for research purposes, however Twitter quickly shut down the project citing their Terms of Service (TOS) Agreement.</em><br /></blockquote><p>Stuart Shulman of DiscoverText <a href="http://blog.texifter.com/index.php/2011/05/04/twitter-cites-terms-of-service-violation/" target="_blank">had compiled the documents</a> &quot;using an authorized connection to Twitter via their API&quot; which is apparently a violation of Twitter's API Terms of Service. He received an email from Twitter asking him to remove the datasets:</p><blockquote><em>I'm writing about Twitter data being offered for sale on DiscoverText. Scraping the Twitter service is prohibited by our site Terms of Service, and furthermore, resyndicating data obtained through the Twitter API is prohibited by section I.4.a of our API Terms of Service (http://dev.twitter.com/pages/api_terms).<br /><br />As such, we request you remove the datasets listed at <a href="http://discovertext.com/osamabinladen.aspx" target="_blank">http://discovertext.com/osamabinladen.aspx</a> and any other datasets containing Tweets offered on your site.</em></blockquote><p>Shulman responded:</p><blockquote><em>Let&rsquo;s be clear. We have never sold a Tweet. The data collected through the Twitter API and shared through our system is the same publicly available data other users capture with screenshots and share on blogs, Facebook or Twitter itself. Nonetheless, the datasets we have assembled and similar samples are being taken temporarily off the Web site pending a resolution of this issue with Twitter.</em><br /></blockquote><p>Well, &quot;temporarily&quot; has turned into &quot;indefinitely.&quot; As of June 1st, <a href="http://blog.texifter.com/index.php/2011/06/01/dwindling-osama-bin-laden-tweets-and-the-rt-champs/" target="_blank">Shulman's dataset contained 4.5 million Osama Bin Laden-related tweets</a>, all of which can only be marveled at as a REALLY BIG NUMBER but not shared in any usable fashion thanks to Twitter's complaint. <br /><br />If it's just a &quot;policy first&quot; decision on Twitter's part, it seems a little short-sighted. This information was (and is) of great interest to people worldwide. Perhaps some sort of warning could have been issued instead of a full takedown, thus allowing Twitter to assert its position on API usage without locking up the dataset.  Once the dataset already exists, why block it? It's disheartening to see something with as much potential as Shulman's project getting thrown under the TOS bus. </p><br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110614/16292714693/twitter-wishes-45-million-osama-bin-laden-related-tweets-into-their-api-cornfield.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110614/16292714693/twitter-wishes-45-million-osama-bin-laden-related-tweets-into-their-api-cornfield.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110614/16292714693/twitter-wishes-45-million-osama-bin-laden-related-tweets-into-their-api-cornfield.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:30:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Vevo Doesn't Put Ads In YouTube API, Gets Upset When Music Streaming Startup Uses That Fact</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I actually had decently high hopes for Vevo, the partnership between Universal Music and YouTube to create a website for official music videos (currently from three of the four major record labels).  I mean, I always figured that eventually the labels would screw stuff up, but I thought it actually had a shot at maybe being useful.  The fact that Universal <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090511/0055264827.shtml">put</a> Rio Caraeff in charge seemed like a good sign as well, since Caraeff seemed like the sort of music industry exec who <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090324/0834284231.shtml">understood</a> the new marketplace for music, and wasn't encumbered with the "old ways" of doing things.  But rather than a useful site, Vevo has basically been a cookie cutter version of what you would do if the record labels created their own YouTube.  That is, it took none of the <i>good</i> parts of YouTube.  Hell, it didn't even take the ability to handle a lot of traffic.  For the first few days after it launched, Vevo just didn't work at all.
<br /><br />
Its latest screwup was that it didn't include its preroll ads in the YouTube API, meaning that others who used the API could access and repurpose Vevo content without the ads, and even show the content outside the US (which Vevo currently does not allow).  It didn't take long for one enterprising startup, Muziic, to do exactly that.  Muziic has received some attention for basically using the YouTube API to create an iTunes-like experience out of YouTube videos (it also gets attention for being founded by a 16-year old).  Muziic sent out an announcement this week about how it was using the YouTube API to add Vevo content, meaning you could access Vevo videos without the preroll ads and outside the US.
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Vevo's first response?  To <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-10422818-93.html" target="_blank">send a cease and desist</a>.  At the very least, it wasn't a legal nastygram, but a more friendly cease &#038; desist sent by Caraeff himself.  But "cease" what?  Muziic was using the API as designed, and even though Caraeff admits that Vevo is quickly scrambling to change the API, he still says Muziic needs to cease from using the Vevo logo or referencing the company's name.  But Muziic used the name in an <i>accurate</i> and descriptive manner.  It <i>accurately</i> noted that it was now offering Vevo content -- without ads and outside the US -- all legally via the use of the API provided by YouTube/Vevo itself.
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Muziic's co-founder <a href="http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/12/muziics-19-year-old-david-nelson-responds-to-vevo-youtube-controversy.html" target="_blank">responded to Caraeff's email over at Hypebot</a>, saying that he "was as shocked as anyone when I realized there were not yet any "pre-roll" advertisements for Vevo content in the API," but since it was how the company set up the API, it seems perfectly reasonable to use it that way.  He also notes that he had reached out to Vevo prior to this to try to work out an arrangement with the company and got no response.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091230/1221237554.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091230/1221237554.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091230/1221237554.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:28:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Google Blocking Set Top Boxes From Showing YouTube Unless They Pay Up?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I'm wondering if there's more to this, because it seems rather "un-Google-like."  The makers of a set top box that can display internet content are complaining that <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/11/youtube-blocks-non-partner-device-syabas-as-allegations-fly/" target="_blank">Google is blocking them from displaying YouTube content</a>, unless they agree to "partner" and commit to buying lots of ads (the amount is in dispute).  If this sounds quite a bit like the ongoing battle between <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090218/1627113821.shtml">Hulu and Boxee</a>, you might be right.  However, in that case, at least you could sort of understand the (misguided) thinking behind it, since Hulu is owned by the colossally short-sighted content companies.  But what's Google's excuse?  If all these set top boxes are really doing is accessing free internet content and formatting it better for a TV, why stop it?  They're really no different than accessing content via a computer and a browser -- it's just that the "computer" is a set top box and the "browser" is formatted for a television.  That shouldn't require a special agreement, or any sort of ad buy commitment. <b>Update</b>: Received a confused and angry email from YouTube PR linking us to the very Wired article we linked to and demanding we add their PR statement (which is already in the Wired article).  However, it does not actually answer the questions raised or change the point of this post.  The fact that YouTube restricts set tops from accessing the content still does not make sense.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091120/1614497033.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091120/1614497033.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091120/1614497033.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:53:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Can You Copyright Movie Times?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ One of our readers, Jay Anderson, writes in to let us know that he was working on a useful little app to let people put in their zip code, find local movies, and click through to buy tickets.  In doing so, he found an undocumented API on a major site that provided all the relevant info, and linked back to MovieShowtimes.com, a site owned by West World Media.  Anderson contacted the site to find out if it had some sort of affiliate program since it was reasonable to assume the site would be happy to gain some free traffic.  No such luck.  Instead, he got back a threatening letter, warning him that he was opening himself up to copyright infringement damages that could be upwards of $600,000 per month.
<blockquote><i>
You need to know it is unlawful and a violation of our copyright and intellectual property rights for you to build a system that obtains our content from any source other than to obtain an expressed license from West World Media for legal usage of our content. Each violation of our Intellectual property rights allows us to collect damages of up to $150,000 per infringement. This would equate in liquid damages of over $600,000 per month if you violate our rights. 
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Anderson responded, asking the company how factual information (such as movie times) could be covered by copyright, and the company responded:
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"It is not our responsibility or duty to explain complex US Intellectual Property rights law, we however enjoy many protections from them. I suggest you hire an IP attorney to explain it to you. From your response, it seems to me you have no intentions of moving forward in a legal manner. We closely monitor any and all usage of our content and if we discover your unlawful usage of it, we will exercise our rights to their fullest extent of the law."
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Now, obviously, the company makes its money by licensing its database of showtimes to certain websites, but that information is factual, and it's difficult to see how the company could hold a copyright on it (at least in the US, where there's no real "database right" -- elsewhere... perhaps a different story).  There's also no creative element in merely listing showtimes, and it's hard to see how they would possibly be covered by copyright.  If the problem is that the company is upset that its business model can't handle other people sending it traffic, that's a <i>business model problem</i>, not a copyright problem.  Time to redesign the business model to take a cut of sales, rather than to rely on artificial copyrights.  Unfortunately, though, it doesn't stop a company from making such threats...
<br /><br />
Separately, this reminds me of the fact that, just a few months ago, we were talking about how the movie times in newspapers were apparently <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090730/0345595714.shtml">paid advertisements</a> by the theaters themselves.  So, this seems like an odd switch as well: newspapers get paid for movie listings, but websites have to pay for them?  How does that work?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090924/2309516315.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090924/2309516315.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090924/2309516315.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:15:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>The Guardian Follows The NY Times In Making News A Platform</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ A bunch of folks have been sending in the wonderful news that <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2009/mar/10/1" target="_new">the Guardian, in the UK, has opened up an API</a> and is sharing data in such a way that others can build programs on top of the news.  This is fantastic -- and follows on a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090205/0345593659.shtml">similar move</a> last month by the NY Times.  It appears that both the NY Times and the Guardian really are pushing the boundaries of recognizing that being an online newspaper these days needs to be about a lot more than delivering the news.
<br /><br />
Perhaps even more interesting (though, getting much less attention) is the companion bit of news from some editors at the Guardian -- who are pointing out that they hope and pray each day that the NY Times gives into temptation and starts trying to charge for news... because it will create a <a href="http://www.paidcontent.co.uk/entry/419-ft-digital-media-newspapers-biz-models-in-progess/" target="_new">huge opening for the Guardian</a> to create a much larger online audience.  This is what plenty of people have been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090205/2247123666.shtml">pointing out</a> for years: if clueless newspaper execs decide to start charging for news, it just opens the door wide for smarter news organizations to stay free and accumulate a much larger audience.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090311/0106204067.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090311/0106204067.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090311/0106204067.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 5 Feb 2009 21:02:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>NY Times Turning News Into A Platform</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ For years, we've been big fans of the concept of having newspapers start becoming <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060907/012938.shtml">platforms</a>, rather than monolithic "news delivering" services.  Over the past year or so, a group of digitally savvy folks at the NY Times have <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071101/220332.shtml">shown</a> one way that can <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081016/0017262555.shtml">work</a>.  Their latest move?  To <a href="http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/02/04/announcing-the-article-search-api/" target="_new">turn the NY Times news articles into a true platform</a>.  They've released an API for news, allowing others to actually build useful tools on top of the NY Times' news articles.  Contrast that to, say, GateHouse Media, which recently <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090126/1129333537.shtml">sued</a> the NY Times for trying to build useful tools on top of GateHouse's content.
<br /><br />
Of course, just because there are some folks on the digital side who "get it" at the NY Times, it doesn't mean management has quite figured things out yet.  At the same time as releasing this API, the paper's Executive Editor, Bill Keller is <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=a6gpCAgEz2_s&#038;refer=home" target="_new">talking about trying to lock up their content</a> and charge people for it, again.  Yes, the newspaper needs new and innovative business models, but by now it should know that trying to charge for such content simply isn't a sustainable model.  There's too much competition out there (which the NY Times discovered already when it <i>tried and failed</i> to charge for content a few years back).  There are things that the paper can charge for -- but basic online content isn't one that will be successful.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090205/0345593659.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090205/0345593659.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090205/0345593659.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>smart</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:26:41 PDT</pubDate>
<title>NY Times Starting To Recognize That Data Is News</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last year, we pointed out that, after quite a slow (and, at times, backwards looking) start, it appeared that the NY Times was finally figuring out how to truly <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071101/220332.shtml">embrace the web</a>.  That meant more than just putting its newspaper online, but taking advantage of the unique opportunities opened up by the web.  However, there was still plenty of room for improvement, but it appears that the NY Times continues to move in that direction.  Two years ago, we wrote about how newspapers should start <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060907/012938.shtml">freeing up their data</a> via APIs so that others could make useful applications out of it.  News organizations often have a tremendous amount of useful data that others might not have access to.  Putting it to good use by opening up an API would be a truly valuable service.
<br /><br />
And that's exactly what the NY Times appears to be doing, if only on a limited scale (for now).  It's <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/14/new-york-times-sets-campaign-finance-data-free/" target="_new">set up an API for campaign finance data</a>, allowing anyone to build useful tools or visualizations on top of it.  And, that's not all, they're also getting ready to release an API for movie reviews.  In other words, the NY Times is definitely recognizing the value in not just freeing up their stories, but making core underlying data totally accessible and useful.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081016/0017262555.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081016/0017262555.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081016/0017262555.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>all-the-data-that's-fit-to-release</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 9 Jun 2008 23:01:29 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Where Are The APIs For Government Data?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It shouldn't be a huge surprise that the government isn't always the fastest to embrace what the internet lets it do (even if it did basically fund the creation of the internet).  However, a new report out of Princeton's Center for Information Technology Policy is suggesting that it's about time that the government <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146830/no_room_for_feds_in_web_20_study_says.html" target="_new">make its data more widely accessible for a web 2.0 world</a>.  Basically, the government has put up websites, but it hasn't done much to make it so that it's easy to access the data available in those websites or (even more important) let other applications and services do something with that data and actually make it useful to the citizens that data is supposed to help.  Given the pace of government activity in this arena, maybe we can expect some sort of movement in this direction by about 2016 or so.  But wouldn't it be nice if we could actually easily pull government data and make it useful?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080609/0307271343.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080609/0307271343.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080609/0307271343.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>open-'em-up</slash:department>
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