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<pubDate>Tue, 9 Apr 2013 09:22:50 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Google Competitors File Ridiculous EU Complaint Arguing That 'Free' Android Is Anti-Competitive</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130409/02120322631/google-competitors-file-ridiculous-eu-complaint-arguing-that-free-android-is-anti-competitive.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ FairSearch, the increasingly silly and shrill looking "coalition" of tech companies which have nothing in common other than a visceral hatred for Google (it's led by Microsoft) has so far <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130103/12312321572/google-competitors-spitting-mad-about-ftc-closing-case-promise-that-europe-texas-will-get-it-right.shtml">failed miserably</a> in convincing regulators that Google was an antitrust problem. Now it's filed a new attack on Google in the EU, arguing that <a href="http://www.fairsearch.org/mobile/fairsearch-announces-complaint-in-eu-on-googles-anti-competitive-mobile-strategy/" target="_blank">its Android mobile strategy is anti-competitive</a> because it gives Android away for free.
<blockquote><i>
&#8220;Google is using its Android mobile operating system as a &#8216;Trojan Horse&#8217; to deceive partners, monopolize the mobile marketplace, and control consumer data,&#8221; said Thomas Vinje, Brussels-based counsel to the FairSearch coalition. &#8220;We are asking the Commission to move quickly and decisively to protect competition and innovation in this critical market. Failure to act will only embolden Google to repeat its desktop abuses of dominance as consumers increasingly turn to a mobile platform dominated by Google&#8217;s Android operating system.&#8221;
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[....] Google achieved its dominance in the smartphone operating system market by giving Android to device-makers for &#8216;free.&#8217; 
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What's especially ridiculous here is that Microsoft, who is the major source behind FairSearch, dealt with this exact issue itself back during its antitrust fights, when people ridiculously accused it of the same thing for daring to give out Internet Explorer for "free."  The idea that giving away some software for free is somehow anti-competitive is just laughable.  That this is now being pushed by a bunch of companies who themselves use the exact same benefits of giving away free software to promote other parts of their business is just the height of cynical exploitation of the political process to try to hamstring a competitor in red tape, rather than competing in the marketplace.
<br /><br />
Law Professor James Grimmelman, who is hardly a big Google supporter (he was among those who fought the hardest against the Google Books settlement) properly called this new filing by FairSearch <a href="https://twitter.com/grimmelm/status/321468673166569472" target="_blank">"disgusting."</a>  It's a blatantly cynical attempt by Microsoft, Nokia, Expedia, TripAdvisor and Oracle to use a totally bogus legal complaint to just waste a competitor's time.  All of those companies rely on free software in some form or another.  No one in their right mind argues that offering free software is somehow anti-competitive.  It seems that FairSearch has now reached hysterical desperation as it attempts to justify itself.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130409/02120322631/google-competitors-file-ridiculous-eu-complaint-arguing-that-free-android-is-anti-competitive.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130409/02120322631/google-competitors-file-ridiculous-eu-complaint-arguing-that-free-android-is-anti-competitive.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20130409/02120322631/google-competitors-file-ridiculous-eu-complaint-arguing-that-free-android-is-anti-competitive.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>get-over-yourselves</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 03:25:19 PDT</pubDate>
<title>TripAdvisor's Rankings Of 'Dirtiest Hotels' Is Not Defamation</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120829/02012520204/tripadvisors-rankings-dirtiest-hotels-is-not-defamation.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Eric Goldman has an article at Forbes about the failure of the Grand Resort Hotel &#038; Convention Center in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee, to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericgoldman/2012/08/27/tripadvisors-dirtiest-hotels-ranking-makes-the-grade-in-court/" target="_blank">win its lawsuit against TripAdvisor</a> for listing it as the "dirtiest hotel in America" on its <a href="http://www.tripadvisor.com/PressCenter-i4557-c1-Press_Releases.html" target="_blank">2011 list of such hotels</a>.  TripAdvisor, of course, is a very popular site, in which people rate various hotels.  The company then took those rankings to come up with the list, meaning that it's pretty clearly a statement of opinion (the aggregated opinion of all the users who entered review info on TripAdvisor).  However, to try to turn that into a defamation claim, the hotel's lawyers appeared to argue that because TripAdvisor came up with a <i>numerical rank</i> from all that user generated input, that made it a "factual statement" rather than an opinion.  As you know, opinions aren't defamatory, but incorrect facts can be.
<br /><br />
The court isn't buying it, at all.
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It is true that the Defendant published an article
with a numerical ranking, and that the Defendant suggests reasons to support its opinions,
including that &#8220;87 percent of those who reviewed [Grand Resort] recommended against staying
there,&#8221; but neither the fact that Defendant numbers its opinions one through ten, nor that it
supports its opinions with data, converts its opinions to objective statements of fact.  Any
reasonable person can distinguish opinions based on reasons from facts based on reasons&#8212;just
because TripAdvisor states its reasons for including Grand Resort on its list does not make the
assertion one of objective fact. A person who is unable to distinguish the phrase &#8220;it is hot,&#8221; a
subjective opinion, from &#8220;it is one-hundred degrees,&#8221; an objective fact, is hardly &#8220;reasonable.&#8221;
Similarly, TripAdvisor&#8217;s &#8220;Dirtiest Hotels&#8221; list is clearly unverifiable rhetorical hyperbole.
<br /><br />
TripAdvisor&#8217;s list is of the genre of hyperbole that is omnipresent. From law schools to
restaurants, from judges to hospitals, everything is ranked, graded, ordered and critiqued.
Undoubtedly, some will accept the array of &#8220;Best&#8221; and &#8220;Worst&#8221; rankings as impenetrable
maxims. Certainly, some attempt to obfuscate the distinction between fact and opinion as part of
their course of business. For those that read &#8220;eat here,&#8221; &#8220;sleep there&#8221; or &#8220;go to this law school&#8221;
and are unable to distinguish measured analysis of objective facts from sensational &#8220;carnival
barking,&#8221; compliance will be both steadfast and assured. Nevertheless, the standard, fortunately,
is what a &#8220;reasonable person&#8221; would believe. A reasonable person would not confuse a ranking
system, which uses consumer reviews as its litmus, for an objective assertion of fact; the
reasonable person, in other words, knows the difference between a statement that is &#8220;inherently
subjective&#8221; and one that is &#8220;objectively verifiable.&#8221;
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I find the implicit suggestion in there that the plaintiff is not a reasonable person somewhat amusing as well.  Either way, as Goldman notes, this should be a somewhat useful case whenever others are threatened for opinion-based lists they put together.  That said, as a district court ruling it doesn't have much widespread impact, but with clear and concise reasoning, that doesn't mean it can't be helpful in convincing other courts to rule similarly.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120829/02012520204/tripadvisors-rankings-dirtiest-hotels-is-not-defamation.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120829/02012520204/tripadvisors-rankings-dirtiest-hotels-is-not-defamation.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120829/02012520204/tripadvisors-rankings-dirtiest-hotels-is-not-defamation.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>but-now-we-know-who's-upset-about-it...</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 00:05:16 PDT</pubDate>
<title>'Online Reputation' Firm Continues Saber Rattling At TripAdvisor</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100923/03022811130/online-reputation-firm-continues-saber-rattling-at-tripadvisor.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ We recently wrote about a so-called "online reputation management" company that was getting a lot of press attention for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100912/23454710982.shtml">promising to sue TripAdvisor</a> for reviews that certain venues didn't like and believed to be defamatory.  As we mentioned at the time, this felt a lot more like a publicity stunt for the company (which we won't name for that reason), while noting that, in the US at least, TripAdvisor was rightfully protected against claims of defamation on content from users, thanks to Section 230.  In the UK, where the reputation management firm is based, it's not quite as clear cut.
<br /><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/LawandLit/status/25263442421" target="_blank">LawandLit</a> points us to the news that the company is ramping up the foot stomping and insisting that it really really really really <a href="http://www.tnooz.com/2010/09/22/news/legal-case-against-tripadvisor-intensifies-comment-posters-also-in-spotlight/" target="_blank">will sue TripAdvisor, just you wait and see</a>!  Or, at least, that's what it comes across as from what's being said.
<br /><br />
Perhaps more interesting, however, is that the company is now saying that it's also prepared to go after the writers of the actual reviews.  While that's at least moving the liability in the right direction, it does make you wonder if such an effort will seriously backfire.  I mean, a hotel that sues a customer for a bad review might not get many more bad reviews... but it might not get many more customers, either.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100923/03022811130/online-reputation-firm-continues-saber-rattling-at-tripadvisor.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100923/03022811130/online-reputation-firm-continues-saber-rattling-at-tripadvisor.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100923/03022811130/online-reputation-firm-continues-saber-rattling-at-tripadvisor.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>file-a-damn-lawsuit-or-pipe-down</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2010 12:43:59 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Threatened Lawsuit Against TripAdvisor Sounds More Like PR Campaign For 'Reputation Manager'</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100912/23454710982.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ A bunch of folks have sent in variations on this story of the guy who runs an online "reputation management" company and is very publicly <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/hoteliers-to-take-their-revenge-on-tripadvisors-critiques-in-court-2076417.html" target="_blank">threatening to sue travel review site TripAdvisor</a> under the legal theory of "group defamation."  No lawsuit has actually been filed, and any such lawsuit would be a total dead end and waste of time and money for the "reputation management" firm.  That's because TripAdvisor is a US company, and thus it is clearly protected from defamation lawsuits on the content written by its users by Section 230.  And while this reputation management firm is in the UK, thanks to the US's <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100811/00361310577.shtml">new libel tourism law</a>, any judgment in the UK would be unenforceable.
<br /><br />
In other words, the legal threats are completely bogus.  Having read through the various articles covering it, you could be forgiven for thinking that this is really just a PR campaign for the "reputation management" company, who I won't even bother to name, as it doesn't deserve any additional press coverage for threatening such a useless lawsuit.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100912/23454710982.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100912/23454710982.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100912/23454710982.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>reading-between-the-lines</slash:department>
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