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<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:24:34 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Microsoft Releases Details Of Law Enforcement Requests</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Kudos to Microsoft for joining companies like <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130128/03292721806/google-explains-how-it-handles-government-requests-data-why-dont-more-companies-do-this.shtml">Google</a> and <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120705/04541219589/twitters-transparency-report-reveals-takedown-information-requests.shtml">Twitter</a> in releasing transparency reports about government/law enforcement requests for information.  On Thursday, Microsoft <a href="http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2013/03/21/microsoft-releases-2012-law-enforcement-requests-report.aspx" target="_blank">released data on law enforcement requests from 2012</a>.  The report covers requests for pretty much all of Microsoft's key online services, including Hotmail/Outlook, SkyDrive, XBox Live, Office 365 and even Skype.  Microsoft has actually gone a step further than others in some areas, such as separating out which law enforcement requests involved sharing "customer content" data (such as images or email subject lines) vs. those that shared "non-content" data (such as identifying information).
<br /><br />
Because of this distinction, Microsoft points out how rarely it ends up giving law enforcement customer content, noting it happened in only 2.1% of cases (1,558 requests).  Nearly all of those requests came from the US government.  The only non-US requests that resulted in the sharing of customer content were 14 disclosures given to Brazil, Ireland, Canada and New Zealand.
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As for non-content information (i.e., identifying info), Microsoft disclosed that information 56,388 times (excluding Skype, which reported its data separately due to differences in the way they recorded data -- something that is being standardized). The top countries getting such info were the US,  UK, Turkey, Germany and France.  Turkey seems a bit surprising there.  As for Skype, the top requests were from the UK, US, Germany, France and Taiwan.  Microsoft also delivered no information at all 18% of the time, either because the company rejected the request or because no info was found, though they apparently don't break down the difference there.
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Like Google, Microsoft also revealed how many National Security Letters it received, using a format nearly identical to the way Google released its data not too long ago:
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It's good to see Microsoft following in the footsteps of Google and Twitter in providing this kind of transparency.  Hopefully we'll see even more companies follow as well.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130322/02545222415/microsoft-releases-details-law-enforcement-requests.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130322/02545222415/microsoft-releases-details-law-enforcement-requests.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130322/02545222415/microsoft-releases-details-law-enforcement-requests.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>good-move</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:51:04 PST</pubDate>
<title>Skype Accused Of Handing Out Private Info To Private Company</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Over the last year or so, there's been concern about Skype's commitment to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120726/19283519848/clearing-air-skype-most-what-you-read-was-not-accurate-there-are-still-reasons-to-worry.shtml">privacy</a> following its acquisition by Microsoft.  Now a situation in the Netherlands is serving to renew those fears.  As highlighted by <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/11/06/0333221/skype-hands-teenagers-information-to-private-firm?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter" target="_blank">Slashdot</a>, it appears that Skype <a href="http://www.nu.nl/internet/2950158/skype-hands-16-year-olds-personal-information-to-it-company.html" target="_blank">handed over information on a 16-year-old user to a private information technology firm</a> that was investigating some denial of service attacks against PayPal.
<br /><br />
The security firm, iSIGHT, was hired by PayPal to investigate the attacks, and an employee of the company reached out to Skype seeking information about one user who he thought might be involved.  And Skype coughed up the info -- including username, real name, email address and home address -- no questions asked.  As the article notes, there was no court order or anything like that.  Just a guy from a private company asking and Skype said, "sure, here's all the info."
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There are questions about whether this move violated some European privacy directives.  At the very least it seems clear that it violated Skype's own policies, which include not providing customer data unless required by law, or if official law enforcement is involved.  In this case, neither thing is true.  One hopes that this is just a one-off mistake by Skype, but it's worrying nonetheless.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121106/02133820945/skype-accused-handing-out-private-info-to-private-company.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121106/02133820945/skype-accused-handing-out-private-info-to-private-company.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121106/02133820945/skype-accused-handing-out-private-info-to-private-company.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>massive-fail</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:59:34 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Clearing The Air On Skype: Most Of What You Read Was Not Accurate, But There Are Still Reasons To Worry</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Over the last few days there's been something of a firestorm of people claiming that Skype was letting police listen in on your calls.  We had been among those who noted that Skype was, at the very least, no longer willing to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120723/02260219792/skype-no-longer-willing-to-claim-that-its-calls-are-untappable-law-enforcement.shtml">make clear statements</a> about whether the service was able to be wire-tapped.  Skype to Skype calls are a direct person-to-person connection (rather than through a central server), so most people thought that they were not particularly tappable.  That's not quite true.  And, of course, if you use Skype as part of a phone call to or from a regular phone line, those calls would be tappable via traditional phone wiretaps.
<br /><br />
The "Skype may be letting law enforcement listen in on your calls" furor took off in the following few days.  The Washington Post reported that Skype was <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/skype-makes-chats-and-user-data-more-available-to-police/2012/07/25/gJQAobI39W_story.html" target="_blank">making it easier</a> for law enforcement to get text chat and user data.  It's not actually clear that this is true either (but more on that later).  It then kicked into high gear, when Eric Jackson at Forbes (whom we've written about before for his <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120229/05143417914/you-dont-need-mythical-club-membership-to-call-yahoos-patent-threat-against-facebook-desperate.shtml">bizarrely uninformed</a> take on the Yahoo/Facebook patent fight and those who reported on it) wrote a ridiculously ignorant post claiming that <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericjackson/2012/07/22/its-terrifying-and-sickening-that-microsoft-can-now-listen-in-on-all-my-skype-calls/" target="_blank">Microsoft can listen in on all his Skype calls</a>, based off an incredible misreading of the original post about Skype's refusal to comment directly on the wiretapping abilities.
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Jackson's more level-headed colleague, Kash Hill, <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/07/26/this-is-what-is-actually-terrifying-about-microsofts-skype-policy/" target="_blank">pushed back on Jackson's claims</a>, but also noted that the law (in the US) is pretty clear that there is no legal requirement for Microsoft to make Skype tappable... but there have been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110216/23535513143/its-back-fbi-announcing-desire-to-wiretap-internet.shtml">regular efforts</a> made to change that.  Hill spoke to legal expert Jennifer Granick who pointed out that just the uncertainty and threat that such legislation might come down the road at some point seemed to be leading companies to make development decisions that left open the possibility of surveillance:
<blockquote><i>
The mere threat of regulation is driving innovation in the direction of backdoors and surveillance compliance.  And US law doesn&#8217;t require that, yet. 
</i></blockquote>
But what's actually happening, since so much of this seems to be conjecture and speculation?  Well, as the attention and questions grew, Skype itself <a href="http://blogs.skype.com/en/2012/07/what_does_skypes_architecture_do.html" target="_blank">weighed in to "clarify."</a>  It noted that it has been installing more in-house "supernodes" (in the more distant past, various Skype users would act as supernodes) to improve quality for the directory -- but that Skype to Skype calls (again, not calls that touch the public telephone network) were still encrypted person-to-person calls:
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The move to in-house hosting of "supernodes" does not provide for monitoring or recording of calls. "Supernodes" help Skype clients to locate each other so that Skype calls can be made. Simply put, supernodes act as a distributed directory of Skype users. Skype to Skype calls do not flow through our data centres and the "supernodes" are not involved in passing media (audio or video) between Skype clients.
<br /><br />
These calls continue to be established directly between participating Skype nodes (clients). In some cases, Skype has added servers to assist in the establishment, management or maintenance of calls; for example, a server is used to notify a client that a new call is being initiated to it and where the full Skype application is not running (e.g. the device is suspended, sleeping or requires notification of the incoming call), or in a group video call, where a server aggregates the media streams (video) from multiple clients and routes this to clients that might not otherwise have enough bandwidth to establish connections to all of the participants. 
<br /><br />
[....] Skype software autonomously applies encryption to Skype to Skype calls between computers, smartphones and other mobile devices with the capacity to carry a full version of Skype software as it always has done. This has not changed.
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But... is there still reason to be somewhat (though not hysterically) concerned?  Perhaps.  Chris Soghoian has the best post by far on <a href="http://paranoia.dubfire.net/2012/07/the-known-unknows-of-skype-interception.html" target="_blank">what's known and what's unknown</a>, which explains how Skype's person-to-person encryption may not be as totally untappable as some people assume.  He notes that while the Skype to Skype calls are encrypted, Skype has access to the encryption key (he has a full explanation for how/why this is) and then explains what this likely means:
<blockquote><i>
Ok, so Skype has access to users' communications encryption keys (or can enable others to impersonate as Skype users). What does this mean for the confidentiality of Skype calls? Skype may in fact be telling the truth when it tells journalists that it does not provide CALEA-style wiretap capabilities to governments. It may not need to. If governments can intercept and record the encrypted communications of users (via assistance provided by Internet Service Providers), and have the encryption keys used by both ends of the conversation -- or can impersonate Skype users and perform man in the middle attacks on their conversations, then they can decrypt the voice communications without any further assistance from Skype. 
</i></blockquote>
So there's a risk there, and Soghoian notes that Skype's reticence to set the record straight on exactly how it handles encryption leaves open this possibility.  That is it's entirely possible that there <i>are</i> ways that law enforcement can intercept Skype calls, while Skype can still talk about its encryption, leaving the false impression that the calls are immune from interception.  Soghoian also notes that the talk about Skype handing over info (not call access) to law enforcement is not new and has been known for quite some time (and, honestly, doesn't appear all that different from lots of other similar setups).
<br /><br />
So, to summarize:
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<li>Skype did make some infrastructure changes recently, which did increase the number of self-hosted supernodes, but those changes likely were to increase the quality of the product, and had little to do with law enforcement/surveillance.
</li><li>Skype has always had a program to provide <i>available</i> information to law enforcement <i>if legally required to do so</i>, but appears not to have made any major change to that program in quite some time.  That program does not appear to include the ability to listen to calls.
</li><li>Skype to phone (or phone to Skype) calls have always been tappable, because they touch the public telephone network, where they can be intercepted.
</li><li>Skype to Skype calls remain encrypted, making it more difficult to "tap" them.  However, because of the way Skype likely handles encryption keys, this <i>does not</i> mean that governments can't intercept the calls (or impersonate certain parties via Skype).
</li><li>In the end, then, it appears that much of this discussion is a whole lot of fuss about nothing particularly new -- but it is worth noting that your Skype calls probably were never quite as secure as you thought they were, even if they're somewhat more secure than some other offerings with little or no encryption and a central server.  But if you're looking for 100% secure communications, Skype isn't it -- but that's not because of any change.  It's likely always been that way.
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<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:02:10 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Skype No Longer Willing To Claim That Its Calls Are Untappable By Law Enforcement</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ For years, we've noted that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100702/17551510065.shtml">various</a> <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110216/23535513143/its-back-fbi-announcing-desire-to-wiretap-internet.shtml">governments</a> have <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090310/0058264048.shtml">sought</a> to be able to wiretap Skype -- and the company has always insisted that its peer-to-peer architecture made it impossible.  Last year, however, some hackers suggested that there was now a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111010/14002616290/hackers-claim-that-german-officials-have-backdoor-trojan-spying-skype-which-is-huge-security-risk.shtml">backdoor</a> in Skype.  And now when a reporter for Slate, Ryan Gallagher, is pushing the company on this issue, it <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/07/20/skype_won_t_comment_on_whether_it_can_now_eavesdrop_on_conversations_.html" target="_blank">refuses to make a clear statement onto the ability to wiretap Skype calls</a>.  You can draw your own conclusions.
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It is, of course, possible that this is just the tighter-lipped way of Microsoft, now that the software giant owns Skype, but it certainly is raising questions for those who believed that Skype was a safe way to hold conversations away from the ears of increasingly intrusive government surveillance.  It seems like there's new incentive for others to work on truly secure voice communications.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120723/02260219792/skype-no-longer-willing-to-claim-that-its-calls-are-untappable-law-enforcement.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120723/02260219792/skype-no-longer-willing-to-claim-that-its-calls-are-untappable-law-enforcement.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120723/02260219792/skype-no-longer-willing-to-claim-that-its-calls-are-untappable-law-enforcement.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>well-now...</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 10:41:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Because We All Know What Skype Was Missing Was Intrusive Advertising, Microsoft Has Decided To Add It</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It appears that Microsoft's first big contribution to Skype... is to put <a href="http://blogs.skype.com/en/2012/06/skype_advertising_update.html" target="_blank">giant-ass ads in the middle of your call</a> that look kinda like another caller has joined your call... except that caller is some company wanting you to buy stuff:
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I actually don't really have that much of a problem with Skype trying to figure out how to monetize with ads -- in general.  I do tend to think that intrusive advertising is not a particularly good way to go about it.  However, what really gets me about this is the way Skype wants to pretend that these ads are something <i>consumers want</i>:
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While on a 1:1 audio call, users will see content that could spark additional topics of conversation that are relevant to Skype users and highlight unique and local brand experiences. So, you should think of Conversation Ads as a way for Skype to generate fun interactivity between your circle of friends and family and the brands you care about. Ultimately, we believe this will help make Skype a more engaging and useful place to have your conversations each and every day.
</i></blockquote>
Now, I've been a big believer that <i>good advertising</i> is <i>relevant content</i>, and not just intrusive content.  So I can understand the basics of what they're <i>saying</i>.  But there's almost nothing in the execution that suggests that the folks at Skype actually understand why "advertising is content" works.  It's because it provides <i>useful</i> or <i>compelling</i> content in a manner such that people want to <i>seek it out</i>, not have it suddenly jump up in the middle of their conversation.
<br /><br />
As Jon Brodkin, over at Ars Technica notes (sarcastically), positioning this as <a href="http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/06/skype-calls-to-feature-ads-big-enough-to-interrupt-any-conversation/" target="_blank">a user enhancement is just silly</a>:
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Skype has provided a great service for years, keeping us connected with friends and family. But there's always been one thing missing&#8212;marketers interrupting calls with giant display ads.
</i></blockquote>
This stinks of an idea that some committee came up with, where no one on that committee actually <i>uses</i> Skype.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120615/11181019343/because-we-all-know-what-skype-was-missing-was-intrusive-advertising-microsoft-has-decided-to-add-it.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120615/11181019343/because-we-all-know-what-skype-was-missing-was-intrusive-advertising-microsoft-has-decided-to-add-it.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120615/11181019343/because-we-all-know-what-skype-was-missing-was-intrusive-advertising-microsoft-has-decided-to-add-it.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>that's-not-how-it-works</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2012 00:06:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Huh? Skype Thinks That If You Hate Twitter &#038; Facebook You'll Use Skype More</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've seen some bizarre advertising campaigns in the past, but I'm really left scratching my head about <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57409101-71/twitter-and-facebook-degrade-humanity-says-skype/" target="_blank">Skype's new ad campaign</a>, the sole focus of which seems to be about bashing two other popular services: Twitter and Facebook.
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Now, I use all three of these products -- but I use them for very, very different purposes.  Skype is useful for all sorts of things, but it's an entirely different kind of service than Twitter or Facebook.  And, actually, I stay in touch with plenty of people via Twitter and Facebook.  More importantly, bashing Twitter and Facebook doesn't make me any more interested in using Skype.  It's not like I'm suddenly going to say, "Hey person I normally communicate with via Twitter, thanks to this advertisement for The Skype, I now wish to have a real time audio or video chat with you."  No, as always, I use the different tools for what they're good at, <i>when appropriate</i>.
<br /><br />
I get that Skype wants to position itself as a social network, but <i>it's not</i>.  It's a communication tool -- and it's good at what it does -- but attacking other services that don't compete with it doesn't make much sense.  In fact, if anything, it leads me to think less of Skype.  I really do find Skype's instant messaging and voice/video features quite useful.  But over the last few years, the company has increasingly cluttered its interface and consistently made it more and more annoying, rather than more and more useful.  The fact that it now thinks the proper strategy is to attack services that people use in totally different and completely non-competitive ways, only makes me think that Skype has lost its way and its vision.  That makes me, a paying customer of Skype, concerned that the company is increasingly focused on chasing some silly strategy that will continue to make my life worse as a consumer.  Such a stupid ad campaign just makes me wonder if I should be exploring <i>real</i> alternatives to Skype.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120404/16374118375/huh-skype-thinks-that-if-you-hate-twitter-facebook-youll-use-skype-more.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120404/16374118375/huh-skype-thinks-that-if-you-hate-twitter-facebook-youll-use-skype-more.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120404/16374118375/huh-skype-thinks-that-if-you-hate-twitter-facebook-youll-use-skype-more.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>say-what-now?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:13:43 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Hackers Claim That German Officials Have A Backdoor Trojan For Spying On Skype... Which Is A Huge Security Risk</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ For many years various governments have complained about the fact that Skype communications are encrypted, and have <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100702/17551510065.shtml">demanded backdoors</a>.  In the US, the FBI has been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110216/23535513143/its-back-fbi-announcing-desire-to-wiretap-internet.shtml">pushing hard</a> for such backdoors.  There have been some reports of applications that allow for wiretapping Skype, despite its supposed encryption, but not much in the way of details.  Now the famed Chaos Computer Club (CCC) is <a href="http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2011/staatstrojaner" target="_blank">claiming to have reverse engineered</a> the "lawful interception" trojan being used by German law enforcement.
<br /><br />
They got the program after a lawyer whose client was under investigation <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20118194-245/hackers-say-german-officials-used-backdoor-trojan/" target="_blank">gave the CCC his client's hard drive</a>, where the group found the code.   As frequently happens with these kinds of things, the CCC found that the trojan actually introduces myriad security problems as well:
<blockquote><i>
The analysis concludes, that the trojan's developers never even tried to put in technical safeguards to make sure the malware can exclusively be used for wiretapping internet telephony, as set forth by the constitution court. On the contrary, the design included functionality to clandestinely add more components over the network right from the start, making it a bridge-head to further infiltrate the computer.
<br /><br />
"This refutes the claim that an effective separation of just wiretapping internet telephony and a full-blown trojan is possible in practice &ndash; or even desired," commented a CCC speaker. "Our analysis revealed once again that law enforcement agencies will overstep their authority if not watched carefully. In this case functions clearly intended for breaking the law were implemented in this malware: they were meant for uploading and executing arbitrary code on the targeted system."
<br /><br />
The government malware can, unchecked by a judge, load extensions by remote control, to use the trojan for other functions, including but not limited to eavesdropping. This complete control over the infected PC &ndash; owing to the poor craftsmanship that went into this trojan &ndash;  is open not just to the agency that put it there, but to everyone. It could even be used to upload falsified "evidence" against the PC's owner, or to delete files, which puts the whole rationale for this method of investigation into question.
<br /><br />
[....]
<br /><br />
The analysis also revealed serious security holes that the trojan is tearing into infected systems. The screenshots and audio files it sends out are encrypted in an incompetent way, the commands from the control software to the trojan are even completely unencrypted. Neither the commands to the trojan nor its replies are authenticated or have their integrity protected. Not only can unauthorized third parties assume control of the infected system, but even attackers of mediocre skill level can connect to the authorities, claim to be a specific instance of the trojan, and upload fake data. It is even conceivable that the law enforcement agencies's IT infrastructure could be attacked through this channel. The CCC has not yet performed a penetration test on the server side of the trojan infrastructure.
<br /><br />
"We were surprised and shocked by the lack of even elementary security in the code. Any attacker could assume control of a computer infiltrated by the German law enforcement authorities", commented a speaker of the CCC. "The security level this trojan leaves the infected systems in is comparable to it setting all passwords to '1234'".
</i></blockquote>
Even without the fact that more capabilities can be added, the existing software is pretty powerful.  It apparently can remotely control the computers that it's on, take screenshots of what's happening on the computer, including emails and personal messages.  And yet, time and time again law enforcement asks us to "trust" them when they want the power to secretly install this kind of crap on people's computers?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111010/14002616290/hackers-claim-that-german-officials-have-backdoor-trojan-spying-skype-which-is-huge-security-risk.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111010/14002616290/hackers-claim-that-german-officials-have-backdoor-trojan-spying-skype-which-is-huge-security-risk.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111010/14002616290/hackers-claim-that-german-officials-have-backdoor-trojan-spying-skype-which-is-huge-security-risk.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 05:33:36 PDT</pubDate>
<title>How Many Times Will Skype Be Acquired For Too Much Money By Big Tech Companies With Little Strategic Synergies?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ You may recall, back in 2005, that the tech world let out a massive <i>"Huh?</i> when <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050912/0312203.shtml">eBay acquired Skype</a> for somewhere around $2.6 billion.  eBay kept insisting there were synergies there, and lots of people tried to puzzle out what those might be.  Calling people to discuss auctions?  Auctions embedded in your phone?  There was some vague talk about China, but it amounted to "lots of people use Skype in China," and didn't get much further than that.  Just a couple years later, eBay was already <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071001/105737.shtml">writing off</a> the supposed synergies and then <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080313/005301524.shtml">gave up looking for</a> the synergies altogether.  Not so long ago, it spun the company out, and there were plans for an IPO.
<br /><br />
Just a few days ago, there were rumors that both <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/04/facebook-google-skype-deal_n_857825.html" target="_blank">Facebook and Google were considering buying Skype</a> at around $3 or $4 billion.  In both cases, you could make out some potential synergies.  Facebook has become a huge communications platform, and adding more voice capabilities could be compelling.  Google, obviously, has Google Voice and owns Skype-clone Gizmo.
<br /><br />
However, at the last minute, it appears that Microsoft <a href="http://techland.time.com/2011/05/09/microsoft-reportedly-nearing-7-billion-deal-for-skype/" target="_blank">swooped in and more than doubled the asking price</a>, paying $8.5 billion.  And, we're left with deja vu.   It seems we're not the only one <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/may/10/microsoft-skype-deal-shocks-analysts" target="_blank">asking how this makes sense</a>.  It certainly has all the earmarks of a big company with too much cash feeling the need to do <i>something</i> to be considered relevant, especially after hearing that two of the newer darlings in the tech world were considering the buyout themselves.
<br /><br />
Are there synergies here that make sense?  Well, certainly more than existed with eBay.  But enough to make it worth so much more to Microsoft than Facebook or Google?  I can't see it.  Also, almost everything I can think of where Microsoft might integrate with Skype would likely make the product <i>more annoying</i> and <i>less valuable</i>.  And while Skype is definitely a great product -- I use it all the time -- and usage has steadily grown over the years, the company is still having trouble finding profits.  $8 billion is a lot to spend on a company that keeps using up the red ink on its income statements.
<br /><br />
Perhaps Skype just puts something in the water it serves in conference rooms that makes big tech companies go loopy, increasing how much they're willing to pay and seeing magic synergies where none really exist.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/00190614222/how-many-times-will-skype-be-acquired-too-much-money-big-tech-companies-with-little-strategic-synergies.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/00190614222/how-many-times-will-skype-be-acquired-too-much-money-big-tech-companies-with-little-strategic-synergies.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110510/00190614222/how-many-times-will-skype-be-acquired-too-much-money-big-tech-companies-with-little-strategic-synergies.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 3 Jan 2011 04:37:06 PST</pubDate>
<title>China May Ban Skype In Misguided Protectionist Effort</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Back in 2008, we wondered how long it would be until the Chinese government looked to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080304/164039436.shtml">crack down</a> on VoIP providers like Skype, as it was becoming clear that a larger and larger number of folks in China were starting to use Skype for international calls (especially to Taiwan).  It appears that may be happening, as the Chinese government has made it clear that <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6BU0XN20101231?feedType=RSS&#038;feedName=technologyNews&#038;WT.tsrc=Social%20Media&#038;WT.z_smid=twtr-reuters_tech&#038;WT.z_smid_dest=Twitter" target="_blank">it believes most VoIP networks are illegal</a>, and it plans to crack down on them.  The reason for such a ban is generally as a protectionist move, helping state sponsored telcos -- who return the favor by letting the government spy on calls (something Skype does not allow).  Of course, as we've seen in other countries that have implemented Skype bans, including <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070201/075500.shtml">Bangladesh</a>, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20041019/1550230.shtml">Belarus</a>, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061019/120127.shtml">Jordan</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060921/200402.shtml">Namibia</a>, the end result of these kinds of bans can be <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051031/0957230.shtml">supremely counterproductive</a> for the local economy.  It's not hard to realize why: cheap phone calls enable all sorts of other businesses to do things cheaper and open up new possibilities, like overseas call centers.  Expensive phone calls make business more expensive and difficult.  So, in protecting the local state-supported telcos, these efforts tend to do a lot more harm than good.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110101/22003112479/china-may-ban-skype-misguided-protectionist-effort.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110101/22003112479/china-may-ban-skype-misguided-protectionist-effort.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110101/22003112479/china-may-ban-skype-misguided-protectionist-effort.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 7 Jul 2010 01:46:01 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Indian Government Demands Right To Spy On Skype, Gmail, Blackberry Messages</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last year we noted that Indian intelligence officials were <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/0154446504.shtml">quite concerned about Skype</a>, and the fact that they couldn't easily tap into communications on Skype.  Two years ago, we noted a similar story concerning <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20080313%2F013805527&#038;threaded=true&#038;sp=1">RIM Blackberry emails</a>.  Now <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/2137207/Indian-Government-Threatens-RIM-Skype-With-Ban?from=twitter" target="_blank">Slashdot</a> points us to the news that India's government is once again <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/200257/reports_blackberry_skype_google_face_india_data_demand.html" target="_blank">demanding that Skype and RIM</a> make sure their services are in formats that can be read by law enforcement.  A separate article says <a href="http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2010/07/01/stories/2010070153420100.htm" target="_blank">similar demands are being made on Google</a> with respect to Gmail.
<br /><br />
Of course, last time this happened (with RIM, at least), RIM pointed out that there's simply <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080527/0112411225.shtml">no way</a> for it to decrypt email sent by users, since it's based on an encryption key set up by the end user.  In response, the Indian government claimed that it had <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080923/0200222339.shtml">cracked the encryption used by Blackberries</a> and was able to monitor messages sent via those devices.  Of course, the fact that it's now pressuring RIM to format messages in easily spied-upon ways, certainly suggests the news of the cracking of Blackberry's encryption was somewhat exaggerated.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100702/17551510065.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100702/17551510065.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100702/17551510065.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:48:51 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Tons Of Companies Sued Over Broad Patent On Controlling Workstations In A Computer Network</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ As we keep waiting for a Supreme Court ruling in the Bilski case (any day now...), <a href="http://twitter.com/glynmoody/statuses/16683903130" target="_blank">Glyn Moody</a> points us to the news of a lawsuit that has been <a href="http://www.techeye.net/business/apple-ibm-adobe-citrix-others-sued-over-software-patent" target="_blank">filed against 26 different software companies</a> for violating an incredibly broad patent (<a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=zCEXAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=5,832,511" target="_blank">5,832,511</a>) on "Workgroup network manager for controlling the operation of workstations within the computer network" (say that 10 times fast).  The list of companies sued is a who's who in software:
<blockquote><i>
Apple, Activision, Adobe, Autodesk, Capcom, Citrix, Corel, Dassault, Delcam, Square Enix, Electronic Arts, Frontrange Solutions, IBM, Intuit, Konami, Digital Entertainment, Maximizer Software, Nuance, Parametric Technology, Sage Software, Sega, Skype, SPSS, Teradata, THQ and Legacy Interactive
</i></blockquote>
I'm sure none of those companies could have possibly come up with a system for controlling the operation of workstations within a computer network without this patent.  At some point, isn't the fact that such a vast number of companies appear to have come up with the same basic thing independently a perfect prima facie case of obviousness?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100622/0302119916.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100622/0302119916.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100622/0302119916.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 3 May 2010 04:17:54 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Congress May Finally Be Allowed To Use Skype To Talk To Constituents</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Ah, Congress.  It's really amazing how the folks in charge of regulating the technology industry basically aren't allowed to use it.   Two years ago, we wrote about concerns among some in Congress, that <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080411/024555821.shtml">using YouTube</a> violated House rules.  Later that year, a slightly misguided flare-up occurred when folks realized that the rules also <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/1602521624.shtml">forbade the use of Twitter</a> (the misguided part was an attempt to turn it into a partisan thing).  Eventually these things got sorted out, but basically, it appears that Congressional reps can't use certain new technologies without first getting those technologies approved.
<br /><br />
The latest on the list?  Skype.  Despite having been around much longer than either YouTube or Twitter, apparently Skype is not on the approved list.  There's now a push for <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/94613-speaker-asks-house-officials-to-explore-skype-use" target="_blank">Skype to be allowed</a>, so that Congressional reps can chat with constituents using the communications tool.
<br /><br />
The whole thing seems ridiculous.  Did Congress also have to get approval before Representatives were allowed to use the telephone?  It's difficult to understand why forward-looking elected officials need to get special permission to try out communication tools that can help them better represent their constituents.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100427/2343519206.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100427/2343519206.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100427/2343519206.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:11:56 PDT</pubDate>
<title>There's Some Echo On This Skype Call... Or Is It Just Doublespeak?</title>
<dc:creator>Carlo Longino</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Skype has been one of the louder voices in pushing for broadband providers to be forced to keep their networks open. One of the company's execs has taken to its blog <a href="http://blogs.skype.com/en/2010/04/time_to_stand_up_for_freedom_o.html">supporting net neutrality regulations in the EU</a>, making some useful points about how it's services like Skype that sell broadband subscriptions and, specifically, mobile data plans. But how does that reconcile with Skype's mobile moves in the US, where it appears to be pushing <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20100310/1508408512.shtml">exclusive deals with operators</a> over "open" access? So, on the one hand, Skype doesn't want to have to pay telcos for access to its customers. But then on the other, it looks like Skype wants to charge telcos to be able to offer its service to their customers. This makes it look like Skype is okay with pay-to-play systems, but only when it's on the receiving end. Certainly Skype is free to use whatever business model it likes, but it certainly appears it's trying to have the best of both worlds here.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100422/0945559141.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100422/0945559141.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100422/0945559141.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 00:34:50 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Egypt Says No More Mobile Skype Calls</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Egypt has apparently decided that it doesn't like the idea of people making mobile phone calls that it can't track and/or that the state-owned telco can't make money off of.  So it's <a href="http://af.reuters.com/article/investingNews/idAFJOE62F0JJ20100316" target="_blank">banning all mobile VoIP calls</a>.  Apparently "fixed" VoIP calls are okay, which gets a bit confusing:
<blockquote><i>
"The ban is on Skype on mobile internet, not on fixed, and this is due to the fact it is against the law since it bypasses the legal gateway," said Amr Badawy, the executive president of the National Telecommunication Regulatory Authority (NTRA).
<br /><br />
Under Egyptian law, international calls must pass through a network controlled by majority state-owned Telecom Egypt, which this week reported disappointing earnings.
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But what is the difference between the "mobile internet" and the "fixed internet" in real terms?  If I use a laptop on a 3G connection... is that fixed or mobile?  If I use a mobile phone on a WiFi connection connected to a DSL line, is that fixed or mobile?  This just seems like a way to try to boost profits for the state owned telco with arbitrary rules.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100322/1836108661.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100322/1836108661.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100322/1836108661.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:09:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Skype Deliberately Crippling Functionality of iPhone and WinMo and Verizon Apps?</title>
<dc:creator>Derek Kerton</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There's something anti-competitive afoot in the 'VoIP over 3G' space this year. Let me run you through a timeline, and see if you can't spot the dirty pool:
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<ol start="0"><li>Skype has had a highly functional VoIP <a href="http://download.cnet.com/Skype-for-Windows-Mobile/3000-2349_4-10319520.html">client for Windows Mobile</a> devices for a few years. It allowed smartphone customers to use most features of Skype over WiFi OR a carrier's cellular data network. It was distributed around the carriers direct to customers of Skype, and was designed for those customers' benefit.</li><li>March 2009: Skype on iPhone is launched,&nbsp;but is&nbsp;unable to do VoIP over the 3G data channel because <a href="http://www.intomobile.com/2009/04/06/skype-for-iphone-banned-by-carriers-in-us-europe.html">AT&#038;T and Apple blocked that functionality</a>. Skype, Google, the<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/31/fcc-now-inquiring-about-atandts-involvement-in-google-voices-iph/"> FCC, and consumers cried &quot;foul&quot;</a> at AT&#038;T and Apple.</li><li>Oct. 2009: After <a href="http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/04/03/fcc-asked-to-probe-iphones-skype-restrictions/">considerable FCC and consumer pressure</a>, <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/iphone-att-skype/">AT&#038;T relents</a>, and allows VoIP over 3G (and was even publicly&nbsp;<a href="http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2009/10/good_move_att.html">applauded by Skype's CEO Josh Silverman</a>). Skype users, naturally, expect an updated Skype version that will leverage 3G data.</li><li>Jan 16, 2010: Skype releases <a href="http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2010/01/skype_for_iphone_13_now_availa.html">a new iPhone version</a> which DOESN'T take advantage of the new leeway AT&#038;T (and ostensibly Apple) allow for VoIP over 3G. Skype points fingers,&nbsp;mostly back at Apple.</li><li>Jan 27, 2010: <a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/apple-lifts-3g-voip-restrictions-icall-with-3g-support-available-immediately-82842957.html">Apple removes any 3G VoIP restrictions</a>. Now there is nothing holding Skype from doing VoIP over 3G on iPhone.</li><li>Mid Feb, 2010: At MWC in Barcelona, <a href="http://text.broadbandreports.com/shownews/Verizon-Skype-Deal-Exclusive-106999">Verizon and Skype announce</a> a special version of the Skype app that will run on Verizon. While most press outlets <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/verizon-embraces-skype-on-smart-phones/">rejoice at the &quot;openness&quot;</a>&nbsp;Verizon wireless is finally showing,&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://gigaom.com/2010/02/19/skype-verizon-deal-more-details/">it turns out</a> to be a limited, crippled version, which is designed to fit Verizon's agenda, NOT customer wishes. This version can use the 3G data network, but just for chat and 'control', <em>not for voice</em>. It requires a &gt;$10/mo data plan, is not available for phones with Wi-Fi, and 'Skype out' cannot be used to make domestic phone calls. In this deal, it appears that VZW paid Skype for some exclusivity in the USA.</li><li>Mid-Feb, 2010: Also at MWC, Skype CEO <a href="http://gigaom.com/2010/02/18/skype-over-3g-for-iphone/">Silverman tells Om Malik</a> that we can expect 3G VoIP on iPhone &quot;Very soon&quot;, with no firm commitment.</li><li>Feb. 26, 2010:&nbsp;<a href="http://www.rcrwireless.com/article/20100226/ENABLERAPPS/100229969/skype-pulls-windows-mobile-apps-no-word-of-return">Skype completely pulls it's very functional Windows Mobile apps</a> with little explanation, and no suggestion of when they might return.  The app, which works fine, just goes away.  Why pull the most functional Skype mobile app and leave only crippled versions?</li></ol>
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Looking at the timeline above, it's pretty easy to guess what's going on here. Skype has been negotiating with Verizon Wireless for some exclusive deal in the USA. But unlike the relatively good, open Skype deal enjoyed by Hutch &quot;3&quot; subscribers in the UK, the Verizon version is crippled with confusing limitations, complications, conditions. It's clear the Verizon goal is to use Skype to upsell data plans to users who don't yet have one, and to drive or retain Minutes of Use of cellular voice traffic. Skype just sold its US mobile users down the river! Skype still&nbsp;promotes &quot;Skype Mobile&quot; on its US web pages, but if you click on any OS like Android or Blackberry, you'll see the bold headline &quot;Coming Soon: Skype on America's most reliable wireless network.&quot; And are basically told to wait for the exclusive product.
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The only reason <a href="https://support.skype.com/faq/fa10411/Why-can-t-I-download-Skype-Lite-or-Skype-for-Windows-phones;jsessionid=D70905A2E6E08544D1DA4942EC865FFB">Skype offered</a> for retracting the WinMo app is &quot;because we want to offer our new customers an improved mobile experience &ndash; much like the version that has proved so popular on the iPhone...&quot; Wait...Is that the same version that annoyed users because it couldn't do VoIP on 3G? And how does killing a product with no replacement offer an &quot;improved mobile experience&quot;? Seems like more of an absent mobile experience.
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Going forward, this also could position Skype well for offering a premium paid version of a fully functional app at a future date, when exclusive deals expire. A freemium model would be less unsavory than the exclusive/crippled structure that we apparently have for now. At least with freemium, the free market can choose to pay or not from any given carrier. With the exclusive/crippled structure, customers have little choice - except the choice to use another VoIP provider who is focused on giving end users what they want.
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The result of this exclusive deal is, essentially, to deprive an entire country of the value of a good VoIP service (Skype) on mobile phones, and instead to offer us a crippled version that is designed not to delight any user, but to delight a carrier. How ironic, then, that Skype's <a href="http://share.skype.com/sites/en/2009/10/good_move_att.html">Silverman has been at the forefront</a> of <a href="http://topics.npr.org/photo/07O79Gv8Dkg6E?q=Skype">the push</a> for <a href="http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/technology/59701-skype-eye-to-eye-with-fcc-on-neutrality">more &quot;open&quot; networks</a>:<blockquote><em>&quot;Nonetheless, the positive actions of one company are no substitute for a government policy that protects openness and benefits consumers. We're all looking forward to further developments that will let people use Skype on any device, on any network.&quot;</em></blockquote>or when he said <a href="http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/technology/59701-skype-eye-to-eye-with-fcc-on-neutrality">this from a September</a> lobby trip to DC:<blockquote>&nbsp;<em>&quot;We have witnessed certain broadband providers unilaterally block access to phone calls delivered over data networks and implement technical measures that degrade the performance of peer-to-peer software distributing lawful content. And as many members of the Internet community and key congressional leaders have noted, there are compelling reasons to be concerned about the future of openness.&quot;</em></blockquote>Compelling reasons, indeed. It seems that in this case, AT&#038;T&nbsp;actually followed through with their promises to be more &quot;open&quot; while Skype and Verizon&nbsp;have just painted a big &quot;open&quot; sign on the gates of the walled garden. Enter at your own risk.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100310/1508408512.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100310/1508408512.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100310/1508408512.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:13:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Indian Intelligence Officials Want To Block Skype</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Skype and other VoIP tools have become quite useful for reaching people around the world.  I know that, recently, when my wife happened to be in India on a trip, being able to call her via Skype was incredibly useful.  It's a good thing she's back now, as reader Shailendra alerts us to the news that Indian intelligence officials are once again <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/india/Spooks-want-govt-to-block-Skype/articleshow/5082066.cms" target="_new">asking the government to consider banning Skype</a>.  The reason I say "once again" is that I remember <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061208/094958.shtml">similar proposals</a> from a few years back that went nowhere.  The official concern, of course, is that "bad people" may use Skype to communicate in a way that can't easily be tapped or traced.  But that's going to happen no matter what.  If Skype is banned, people will still figure out a way to use it, or they'll migrate to some other tool.  Banning Skype or other VoIP providers isn't fixing a problem, it's pretending a problem doesn't really exist.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/0154446504.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/0154446504.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/0154446504.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:25:38 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Proof Of Concept Skype Wiretapping Malware Released</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ One of the <i>benefits</i> of Skype was that, due to the way it works (P2P, encrypted communications), it made it much more difficult to do any sort of wiretap.  This has <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080127/10382079.shtml">upset</a> various <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090217/1333293803.shtml">governments</a> who are used to having the ability to wiretap any voice communications.  However, it's never impossible.  The most obvious way is to simply create some sort of trojan that gets installed on one user's computer that has audio recording abilities -- and Symantec is going around <a href="http://www.scmagazineus.com/Skype-snooping-trojan-detected/article/147537/" target="_new">hyping up the fact that source code for just such a trojan has been released</a>.  Of course, even Symantec admits that there's no evidence of the code actually being used in the wild -- it seems more like a proof-of-concept.  On top of that, it's hardly a new idea.  Nearly a year ago, we talked about how German authorities were <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080918/0208152302.shtml">accused</a> of using something that sounded quite similar.  Still, it is a good reminder that even if you're using an encrypted Skype call, at either end of that call, the audio is decrypted, and a well-placed recording system can capture it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090828/1710246046.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090828/1710246046.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090828/1710246046.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 03:45:23 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Skype Founders Claim eBay No Longer Has A Right To Skype's Core Tech</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ As you know, eBay bought Skype for a ton of money a few years back, without having any real plan for what to do with it.  There were no synergies between the two, and about the best that can be said for eBay's ownership of Skype is that they didn't kill it (though, frankly, the new UI is so bad, it makes me wonder what they were thinking) and let it continue to grow organically.  Earlier this year, eBay finally announced plans to spin off Skype.  Fair enough.  It can probably do a lot more outside of eBay than from within.  However, it turns out that there may be a bit of a legal hitch, as <a href="http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/skype_as_we_know_it_may_not_exist_much_longer_ebay.php" target="_new">Skype's founders claim that eBay/Skype no longer have the legal rights</a> to Skype's underlying technology.  Apparently, the claim is that Niklas Zennstrom and Janus Friis and a separate company they ran, Joltid, only <i>licensed</i> the underlying technology to eBay/Skype for a limited time -- and that deal has now concluded.  The two companies are scheduled to fight this out in court.
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There are a few interesting asides to all of this.  First, it reminds me of how Zennstrom and Friis ended up in <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060327/0256249.shtml">another lawsuit</a> a few years back, <i>also</i> involving questions about licensing the core underlying technology of Skype.  There's a lot of background here, and not all the details are clear (at <i>all</i>), but that original case involved the claim that Zennstrom and Friis used the same core underlying technology that they used to build Kazaa to build Skype.  Way back, Zennstrom and Friis had created two operations: Kazaa and FastTrack, which created the underlying tech used in Kazaa.  However, they also licensed FastTrack to a company called Streamcast, that made a product called Morpheus that competed with Kazaa in the file sharing space.  Got that?
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The folks at Streamcast insist that part of their contract with FastTrack was that they had a right of first refusal on buying the underlying technology.  But then, all sorts of stuff happened, with Kazaa being sold off to a group in the South Pacific, but Zennstrom and Friis supposedly retaining some core technology which (Streamcast claims) they used to build Skype.  Then, once Skype sold, Streamcast claimed that the whole thing was an elaborate shell game, but in selling the Skype underlying technology, Streamcast claimed that Zennstrom and Friis violated their agreement on having a right of first refusal on purchasing the technology.
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Yet, now I'm left wondering if that original claim was true.  If the current claim is that Joltid still "owns" the original technology and Skype/eBay only licensed it, then the technology itself might never have actually been sold (unless, we're talking about two separate core underlying technologies... which is possible).
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Still... the bigger question?  How the hell did eBay make a deal and <b>not</b> make sure it had either purchased (entirely) the core underlying technology or had a guaranteed perpetual license that couldn't be revoked?  The eBay Skype purchase was bad enough already.  Could it be even more ridiculous in that eBay didn't even properly purchase the technology in question?  It seems preposterous to believe that a company could screw up an acquisition that monumentally, so you have to wonder if it's actually true.
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In the meantime, since there are questions about how eBay can rebuild Skype's underlying core technology without violating the many patents in the space, it makes you wonder if eBay may be forced to simply buy someone else's technology.  Maybe it's time to call up <a href="http://www.gizmoproject.com/" target="_new">the Gizmo Project</a> (which has built a very Skype-like product) to see what they're up to these days.  Though, can you imagine eBay needing to buy another company just to power Skype so it can be spun off again?  Yikes!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090730/1950195721.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090730/1950195721.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090730/1950195721.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:40:03 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Russian Telcos: Skype Is Hurting Our Business And Must Be Stopped</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Usually, these days, when companies beg the gov't for protectionist policies against upstart competitors, they at least work out a convoluted story about some sort of <i>real</i> harm (i.e., beyond the bottom line of those asking for protection) caused by the upstart.  So, you get the record companies claiming that music will stop being made, or perhaps food companies complaining about the safety standards of foreign food products.  There may even be some truth to those stories (or not), but the real reason is to avoid competition.  Over in Russia, for example, it appears that a bunch of <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE56N41I20090724" target="_new">telco execs are complaining about Skype</a>.  They at least try to pass off a plausible non-save-our-asses reason: mentioning security, but they don't do a very good job hiding the truth.  Repeatedly they seem to plead that Skype is evil because it makes it difficult for the old guard telcos to charge super high fees.  Competition is such a pain sometimes...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090726/0349145659.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090726/0349145659.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090726/0349145659.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:00:11 PDT</pubDate>
<title>eBay Finally Realizes That No One Is Interested In Voice Communication With Others During An Online Auction</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ When eBay first <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050912/0312203.shtml">bought Skype</a> we were among the many, many, many people left scratching their heads wondering where the supposed "synergies" were.  We were told two things.  First, that Skype had many users in China who would now suddenly start using eBay for auctions.  Why?  No one knows.  In reality it had almost no effect.  Just because you make calls via a software program it doesn't make you any more interested in doing online auctions through its parent company, apparently.  Second, it would now allow buyers and sellers to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20060614/104538.shtml">communicate by voice</a>.  But why would they want to?  Sure, maybe in a very rare case it might be helpful, but one of the <i>advantages</i> of an online auction system like eBay is that you <i>don't</i> need to actually talk to the other party.  And if it was that important to talk, the buyer and seller could just agree to use Skype on their own without eBay spending billions.  And, in fact, studies showed that this "feature" <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051202/0214254.shtml">wasn't wanted</a> by most eBay users.
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But, still, in an effort to show that there really (no, really, really!) were some synergies, eBay integrated Skype into online auctions.  Of course, now that eBay has finally admitted that there really were no synergies, taken a huge writedown on the investment and is looking to spin off Skype, the company is <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/06/03/ebay-starts-stripping-skype-voice-and-chat-buttons-from-auction-listings/" target="_new">finally removing the integrated Skype buttons on auctions</a>, and are even admitting that the company is involved "in an effort to remove features with limited buyer and seller usage."  Was it really that hard to recognize how little synergies there were before spending multiple billions of dollars?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090604/0735435129.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090604/0735435129.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090604/0735435129.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 1 Apr 2009 06:10:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Patent Dispute Blocks iPhone Skype In Canada</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There's been a lot of buzz this week over a version of Skype finally being released for the iPhone (though, the fact that it's limited to only WiFi connections, rather than cellular ones is annoying, if expected).  However, it turns out that Canadian iPhone users are discovering that <a href="http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/skype/skype-for-iphone-blocked-in-canada.asp" target="_new">their iPhones are blocked from using the new iPhone Skype</a>, apparently due to some sort of "patent-licensing issue" related to the codec that Skype uses.  The company isn't revealing much (and the link above includes a workaround for Canadians desperate to use Skype on their iPhones), but that's what you get when you end up using patented technology in your products.  It makes it that much more difficult to actually offer your product in a variety of markets.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090331/1121144329.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090331/1121144329.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090331/1121144329.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>progress?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 03:17:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Skype Takes Aim At Business PBXes</title>
<dc:creator>Carlo Longino</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We wondered a couple of months ago if eBay was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090127/1827373548.shtml">warming up</a> the Skype Billion-Dollar Buyout Plan, a hype-driven business model aimed at inflating the perceived value of the unit to would-be buyers. But Skype's emerged with a real business plan to try and boost its business by <a href="http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&#038;etMailToID=1047759216">targeting small- and medium-sized businesses</a> with a version of its service that can connect to their PBX phone systems using the popular SIP standard. Skype is selling one major benefit of the service as the ability for companies to accept <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39630650,00.htm">inbound Skype calls</a> to their PBX system, but aside from that, it's just trying to undercut other providers' rates for outgoing calls. But perhaps the bigger issue for Skype will be the high level of reliability and support business users will demand. Few will be willing to sacrifice those metrics on something as critical as voice telephony, and Skype's 2007 <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070816/102346.shtml">outage</a> -- and subsequent lame <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070820/163914.shtml">explanation</a> -- may not help in this regard. Also, as a company that thrives on taking away customers from more expensive services, Skype should realize that it, too, can be undercut. If all it's offering is cheaper prices, it won't have a very strong hold on its customers when the next cheaper solution comes along.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090323/1834384218.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090323/1834384218.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090323/1834384218.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:15:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Italian Cops Complain That They Can't Listen In On Skype</title>
<dc:creator>Carlo Longino</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Italian police are complaining that criminals there are <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7890443.stm">increasingly turning to Skype</a> to communicate, having discovered that it's essentially impossible for the cops to listen in on their conversations. Italian police aren't the first to notice this: German authorities were caught <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080127/10382079.shtml">talking to a vendor</a> that offered some cumbersome Skype-tapping software, while Skype itself <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20081002/0903442435.shtml">didn't deny</a> that the Chinese government had the ability to monitor Skype conversations. Lots of countries have <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20061019/120127.shtml">banned</a> Skype, often to protect the revenues of incumbent (or state-owned) telecom operators, but its encryption -- apparently strong enough to frustrate police around the world -- could provide more ammo for future bans, particularly in repressive nations. Italy, though, could be an interesting place for this battle to play out. While police there love their wiretaps, politicians don't: after a number of political figures have been embarrassed by leaked recordings of their conversations, they're trying to change laws to limit the cases for which wiretaps can be used, and to bar the reporting of details from wiretaps until after convictions are delivered in criminal cases. Perhaps instead of trying to change the law, Italian politicians could just start talking on Skype instead.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090217/1333293803.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090217/1333293803.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090217/1333293803.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>attention-criminals</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:19:55 PST</pubDate>
<title>Is eBay Warming Up The Skype Billion-Dollar Buyout Plan?</title>
<dc:creator>Carlo Longino</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Back in 2005, we marveled at the success that Skype backers had in <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20050729/1358230_F.shtml">talking up</a> the price of the company, eventually <del>suckering</del> convincing eBay to put together a <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20050912/0312203.shtml">$4 billion</a> deal for it. This was what we dubbed the "Skype Billion-Dollar Buyout Plan" in which companies used press hype to create valuations far above their actual worth (see <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20060724/1548233.shtml">YouTube</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060328/102245.shtml">Facebook</a> for a couple of examples). Of course, what eBay was never really clear on was how it planned to <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20051020/0933246.shtml">make money</a> from Skype, and it later went <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080313/005301524.shtml">back</a> and <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080417/181944880.shtml">forth</a> on whether it had given up on looking for the mythical "synergies" between Skype and its core auction business. Last week, eBay's CEO conceded that <a href="http://gigaom.com/2009/01/23/skype-sees-a-bright-future-will-it-be-spun-off/">those synergies were "minimal"</a> -- leading to more speculation that eBay might spin Skype off.
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And thus the cycle begins again, with a figure of <a href="http://gigaom.com/2009/01/27/should-ebay-spin-off-skype-the-debate-continues/">$900 million to $1.2 billion</a> tossed out there as a potential starting point for the second version of the Skype Billion-Dollar Buyout Plan. What's interesting is that just like <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20050720/1432234_F.shtml">four years ago</a>, Skype's financials are murky, as Om Malik <a href="http://gigaom.com/2009/01/21/skype-shows-signs-of-slowing-growth/">points out</a>. The company also still faces the same big problem: monetization. As Skype gets bigger, that problem could become even more difficult. After all, if Skype continues to garner more and more users, more and more calls will shift from the paid SkypeOut service to free Skype-to-Skype calls. Skype is said to be profitable (although there's no indication of how profitable), but it seems pretty clear that it hasn't been the runaway success that would have justified its $4 billion price tag. While it's possible that any current sale could carry a more realistic price, somehow we imagine that eBay will try to use the same tactic that drove up its price for Skype to drive up the next buyer's price.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090127/1827373548.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090127/1827373548.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090127/1827373548.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>round-two</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:32:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Yes, China Is Spying On Skype Conversations</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Remember how Skype was supposed to be "untappable" due to end-to-end encryption?  Well, we've already seen that's not true, thanks to <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080127/10382079.shtml">leaks</a> that showed the German government had figured out ways to tap Skype, and it will probably come as no surprise to many that <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/02/technology/internet/02skype.html?partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss&#038;pagewanted=all" target="_new">China has been tapping and storing Skype conversations</a>.  Some of the findings of this report are not new.  Back in 2005, reports came out that various Chinese telecoms were <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20051109/2118208_F.shtml">investing in</a> special "filters" for Skype that would block conversations using certain keywords.  But, of course, it seemed rather obvious that if they were blocking those keywords, they would also use them to spy on what people were talking about.  Besides, if the telecoms didn't filter or record Skype, the Chinese government made it clear that it would <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050909/0934223_F.shtml">block the use of Skype</a> altogether.
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The only really surprising part of the new report was the fact that the folks storing the messages did it so poorly that the researchers who discovered it were easily able to go in and read messages from others.  It's rather telling to note the responses from the two companies involved.  A Skype spokesperson <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122291621892397279.html?mod=">told the Wall Street Journal</a>: "The idea that China's government might be monitoring communications in and out of the country shouldn't surprise anyone."  No, it shouldn't <i>surprise</i> anyone, but one might think it's rather troubling that Skype promotes itself as having end-to-end encryption, when that's clearly not true.  Even more telling, the only thing about this report that seemed to actually <i>concern</i> representatives from Skype was the fact that the conversations had been readable by outsiders, again, telling the WSJ that the "security issue" had been "remedied" by Skype's partner in China, TOM Group.  In other words, Skype isn't so concerned about users being spied on, but it is concerned when people can figure out that users are being spied on.
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As for TOM Group, its response is pretty much exactly what you'd expect on this issue: "as a Chinese company, we adhere to rules and regulations in China where we operate our businesses."  In other words, the government says they need to spy, so we let them spy.  Nothing too surprising, but important for folks to know if they somehow thought that Skype's supposed end-to-end encryption actually kept conversations secret in China.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081002/0903442435.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081002/0903442435.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20081002/0903442435.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>end-to-end-to-gov't-encryption</slash:department>
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