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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:17:42 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Legacy Recording Industry Claims Pandora Is Playing A 'Sick Joke' In Seeking The Same Rates Others Pay</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ The ability of the record labels and RIAA front groups to flat out lie about the internet is really quite incredible.  There's been some buzz recently about the crazy fact that <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-06-12/to-make-a-point-about-royalties-pandora-buys-a-radio-station" target="_blank">Pandora just bought a small terrestrial radio station in South Dakota</a>.  Now, you might wonder, why would an innovative company that basically seems to be focused on making terrestrial radio stations obsolete need to own such a station... and Pandora is <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/304763-why-pandora-bought-an-fm-radio-station" target="_blank">rather upfront in its answer</a>: because the music collections societies, like ASCAP and BMI discriminate against internet companies, in direct violation of an antitrust agreement that ASCAP signed.  Furthermore, ASCAP not only won't offer Pandora the same rights, but it engaged in highly questionable negotiation practices, such as refusing to tell Pandora what songs it was pulling the rights to, such that Pandora risked huge statutory awards for copyright infringement:
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During negotiations, ASCAP and the publisher increased the pressure by refusing to provide Pandora the list of tracks that were being withdrawn, exposing Pandora to copyright infringement liability of up to $150,000 per work. At Pandora&#8217;s scale, such liability would be enormous. Faced with such potential liability, Pandora negotiated an agreement that resulted in increased rates. Shortly thereafter, additional major publishers took steps to withdraw their catalogs from ASCAP, again with respect to Pandora.
<br /><br />
ASCAP created additional ways to circumvent its antitrust consent decree. Our motion also describes how ASCAP refused to provide Pandora a license under the same terms as the iHeartRadio service, for only one reason: iHeartRadio is owned by a terrestrial broadcaster. 
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All of this is in direct violation of the <a href="http://www.justice.gov/atr/public/press_releases/2000/6404.htm" target="_blank">antitrust agreement</a> ASCAP has with the DOJ, in which it's supposed to make sure that ASCAP can't use its monopoly power over compositions to discriminate against certain players.  Yet, ASCAP is clearly trying to discriminate against internet streaming services, by charging them significantly higher rates.
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So, Pandora has bought the station in order to <a href="http://publicknowledge.org/blog/why-internet-radio-royalties-led-pandora-buy-" target="_blank">get the same rates as other streaming radio stations</a> that are owned by terrestrial stations.   As Public Knowledge points out:
<blockquote><i>
This is a perfect example of the twisted incentives and strange results we get from a music licensing system that is based on who wants a license instead of just what they want to do with the music they&#8217;re using. This makes no sense. The law should treat like uses alike. Regardless of how high or low you think performance royalty rates for webcasting should ultimately be, there is no logical reason to give preferential rates to certain companies just because they arrived at the negotiation table first.
</i></blockquote> 
And this is only about <i>composition</i> rates, not even getting into the rates that Pandora has to pay for <i>sound recordings</i>, which is infinitely higher than terrestrial radio.  Buying the radio station won't help on that front, because the internet streams are charged differently than terrestrial radio no matter who owns it, but just the fact that it's paying different rates than everyone else seems ridiculous.
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And, of course, the incumbents try to twist all of this.  First up, we see that <a href="http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/envelope/cotown/la-et-ct-bmi-pandora-station-acquisition-20130613,0,4684647.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+newsandbuzz+(News+%26+Buzz)" target="_blank">BMI has sued Pandora</a> for buying the radio station.  I'm not joking.  I can't see on what possible grounds a lawsuit would make sense.  Are they saying it's illegal for a company to seek to get the same rates that BMI offers radio stations?
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But, even worse than that is the reaction of the RIAA front group, MusicFirst, a lobbying group set up by the RIAA and SoundExchange solely for the purpose of lobbying against internet companies and seeking ever higher rates for those companies, to make sure no internet music company can stay in business.  That this is short-sighted and stupid never seems to occur to MusicFirst, who is always quick with a blog post arguing that internet companies are up to no good.  In this case, it accuses <a href="http://musicfirstcoalition.org/?page=blog_index&postid=1395457&room=musicfirst" target="_blank">Pandora of playing a "sick joke"</a> in making this purchase:
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This has to be some kind of sick joke. Pandora bought an FM radio station to game the system in order to pay songwriters less?
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Pandora continues to find new ways to give artists and songwriters a raw deal from the bottom of the deck. In their race to the bottom to see how little they can pay music creators, they have stooped to misleading legislation, bait and switch petitions, and now fronting as an FM radio station. 
</i></blockquote>
Oh really now?  It's a "sick joke" to try to get <b>the same license rate</b> that ASCAP and BMI offer terrestrial radio stations?  How so?  It's a "sick joke" that the company doesn't think it's fair for ASCAP and BMI to discriminate against internet streaming radio services?  The only "sick joke" is MusicFirst pretending to represent artists as it seeks to kill off new and innovative internet services that are helping artists build bigger fan bases.  No wonder the RIAA-funded MusicFirst has to resort to silly claims like this.  The RIAA has never wanted to adapt to an internet world, and is, once again, looking to spread completely bogus propaganda in an attempt to stifle internet progress, which tends to help <i>independent</i> artists, such that they don't need the RIAA labels any more.  What's incredible is that the RIAA, which set up MusicFirst, has it pretend to represent the interests of "artists" when it's never been anything more than a big-label front group.  If there's any "sick joke" it would be MusicFirst's pretend concern for artist's rights, that just so happen to align entirely with the interests of the big labels.
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Meanwhile, David Israelite, the lobbyist for the music publishers has piled on as well, claiming that this is about <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/12/4424796/music-publishers-say-pandora-is-at-war-with-songwriters" target="_blank">Pandora "going to war with songwriters."</a>
<blockquote><i>
David Israelite, CEO of the National Music Publishers Association (NMPA), tonight interrupted his state-of-the-industry speech at the group's annual meeting in Manhattan to lash out at Pandora's decision to acquire a radio station in South Dakota. "Pandora is going to pursue lawsuits and gimmicks," Israelite told the hundreds of songwriters and composers in attendance. "Pandora is hoping to fraudulently sneak in the back door. Any shred of credibility that Pandora had is gone. They are at war with songwriters "
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Once again... huh?  Asking for the <b>same rates</b> that radio pays to stream music online is "going to war"?  How does that compute?  It's as if the music publishers, collection societies and the RIAA can't help but lie because they have such distaste for Pandora actually figuring out a service that people like online, when they've spent so many years trying to ensure that online services fail.  If there's any "war" going on here, it's the legacy recording industry against online services that fans seem to love.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130613/14324223460/legacy-recording-industry-claims-pandora-is-playing-sick-joke-seeking-same-rates-others-pay.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130613/14324223460/legacy-recording-industry-claims-pandora-is-playing-sick-joke-seeking-same-rates-others-pay.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130613/14324223460/legacy-recording-industry-claims-pandora-is-playing-sick-joke-seeking-same-rates-others-pay.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 5 Apr 2013 08:51:56 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Recording Industry Lobbyists Accuse Pandora Of Deliberately Not Selling Ads To Plead Poverty To Congress</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I'm always amazed at how copyright maximalists from the entertainment industry insist that no one can comment on their own businesses unless they're "in it" while freely commenting on other businesses they clearly know nothing about.  Here's the latest example.  The musicFIRST coalition, which is basically a lobbying operation set up by a few of the big legacy players in the recording industry (including the RIAA, A2IM and SoundExchange) in order to push for ever higher royalties for music, has been fighting hard against any effort to create royalties for internet companies that would allow those companies to survive.  Like the Golden Goose, the labels have decided that if anyone online is making money, it's best to squeeze as much of it out of them as possible until they're dead, rather than allowing them to grow and to provide sustainable revenue back to the industry.
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But their latest blog post really takes public cluelessness to new and impressive levels.  It's a response to the news that <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/3/4178960/spotify-doesnt-appear-to-be-slowing-pandoras-growth" target="_blank">Pandora's listener base has been growing</a>.  That should be celebrated, but, as Pandora has been pointing out for ages, thanks to the crazy high royalty rates that it has to pay SoundExchange (which are many times the rates of satellite radio and infinitely larger than terrestrial radio, since terrestrial radio has an exemption from performance royalties) it is close to impossible for Pandora to ever be profitable.  Even worse (for musicians, the industry and the public) these crazy high rates means a lot less competition, fewer new <i>authorized</i> services and a smaller market overall.  Pandora has been seeking more reasonable rates that would actually allow it to provide more services and to grow the overall pie even more by adding more value.  However, so far, that's been cost-prohibitive given how much goes out the door to SoundExchange.
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So, along comes MusicFIRST with the "solution" to all of Pandora's profitability problems: <a href="http://www.musicfirstcoalition.org/node/845" target="_blank">sell more ads</a>.  No, that's not a joke.  They seriously seem to think that Pandora's problem is that it has <i>chosen</i> to take on less revenue and that all it has to do is turn the knob up and sell more ads:
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As economist Jeff Eisenach <a href="http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/Hearings%202012/Eisenach%2011282012.pdf" target="_blank">testified</a> last year regarding Pandora royalties, "the ratio of Pandora's content costs to its revenues is within Pandora's control: To raise its revenues, it need only choose to sell additional advertising" or find other ways to cash in on its popular and successful product.
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Pandora <b>is choosing to limit revenues for now by keeping advertising low</b> and attracting customers to its free service tier.... It's <b>no reason to plead poverty</b> in the face of massive audience growth and "better than expected" earnings reports.
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As someone who relies on advertising for a portion of my income, I wish musicFIRST had just told me all along that the fact that ad rates are so low and that fill rates are so dismal on advertising all across the internet is because I just wasn't trying enough and that I'd purposely been "limiting revenues."  Why don't we just flip that one around?  Perhaps the reason that the major labels and SoundExchange have been making so little money is that they're not selling enough.  All they need to do is sell more and all their problems are solved.  No need to go plead poverty to Congress and demand a jacking up of rates, since -- by their own logic -- they just need to sell more, and clearly, that's easy.  If they're not selling more, it's because they've decided to limit revenue.
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Stories like this make you wonder if anyone actually takes musicFIRST seriously.
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Separately, musicFIRST trots out the lamest trope in the book in the attacks on Pandora: focusing on the value of the company and the equity its founders hold.  Only someone who is deliberately misleading or completely clueless on basic financial issues would equate a company's valuation with revenue.  The two are wholly different beasts.  And yet, these lobbyists pretend that the equity that Pandora execs hold somehow is taken unfairly from artists.  That, of course, makes no sense if you actually understand the difference between equity and revenue.  Any artist could have had the same equity if <i>they had built Pandora</i>.  They didn't, so they don't.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130404/02362022572/recording-industry-lobbyists-accuse-pandora-deliberately-not-selling-ads-to-plead-poverty-to-congress.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130404/02362022572/recording-industry-lobbyists-accuse-pandora-deliberately-not-selling-ads-to-plead-poverty-to-congress.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130404/02362022572/recording-industry-lobbyists-accuse-pandora-deliberately-not-selling-ads-to-plead-poverty-to-congress.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:02:05 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Pandora: We're Helping Artists Make Millions &#038; We'd Like To Keep Doing That</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ For all the talk of new music platforms not paying artists enough, we keep hearing counter stories.  The latest is that Pandora has revealed that <a href="http://blog.pandora.com/pandora/archives/2012/10/pandora-and-art.html" target="_blank">two artists -- Drake and Lil' Wayne -- will make somewhere close to $3 million</a> in royalty payments from Pandora this year.  Lots of other artists make many thousands of dollars as well:
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Have you heard of <a href="http://www.pandora.com/donnie-mcclurkin">Donnie McClurkin</a>, <a href="http://www.pandora.com/french-montana">French Montana</a> or <a href="http://www.pandora.com/grupo-bryndis">Grupo Bryndis</a>? If you haven't you're not alone. They are artists whose sales ranks on Amazon are 4,752, 17,000 and 183,187, respectively. These are all working artists who live well outside the mainstream - no steady rotation on broadcast radio, no high profile opening slots on major tours, no front page placement in online retail. What they also have in common is a steady income from Pandora. In the next twelve months Pandora is on track to pay performance fees of $100,228, $138,567 and $114,192, respectively, for the music we play to their large and fast-growing audiences on Pandora.

<p>And that's just the tip of the iceberg. For over two thousand artists Pandora will pay over $10,000 dollars each over the next 12 months (including one of my favorites, the late jazz pianist <a href="http://www.pandora.com/oscar-peterson">Oscar Peterson</a>), and for more than 800 we'll pay over $50,000, more than the income of the average American household.   For top earners like <a href="http://www.pandora.com/coldplay">Coldplay</a>, <a href="http://www.pandora.com/adele">Adele</a>, <a href="http://www.pandora.com/wiz-khalifa">Wiz Khalifa</a>, <a href="http://www.pandora.com/jason-aldean">Jason Aldean</a> and others Pandora is already paying over $1 million <em>each</em>.  <a href="http://www.pandora.com/drake">Drake</a> and <a href="http://www.pandora.com/lil-wayne">Lill Wayne</a> are fast approaching a $3 million annual rate <em>each</em>.
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Of course, while all of this is happening, Pandora is not yet profitable, and may never be profitable -- as it is required, under current webcasting rates, to pay about 50% of its revenue out as royalties (while terrestrial radio and satellite radio get to pay much, much less).  As Tim Westergren has pointed out, because of the crazy rates, plenty of other webcasting operations have just left the business entirely -- meaning that there just aren't that many players in this space, because it just isn't profitable for the companies, even as they're developing important new revenue streams for artists.
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I'll have more on this later, but it often seems that legacy players really have no concept of "the golden goose."  They assume that any tech company, who is moderately successful in getting users, simply should be bled dry, paying out just about everything to artists, with nothing left for the companies themselves.  They think that the music is the entire value, and the service provided is not very important.  And yet, without that service, none of that money would come in at all.  At some point, the legacy guys are going to have to realize that they're better off having a <i>healthy</i> ecosystem of services, rather than squeezing the absolute highest rates out of these companies, in a way where they can't survive.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20121009/14595420667/pandora-were-helping-artists-make-millions-wed-like-to-keep-doing-that.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20121009/14595420667/pandora-were-helping-artists-make-millions-wed-like-to-keep-doing-that.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20121009/14595420667/pandora-were-helping-artists-make-millions-wed-like-to-keep-doing-that.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:11:07 PDT</pubDate>
<title>SEC Told Pandora To Be More Explicit In Its IPO That Its Business Is Likely Unsustainable Due To Crazy Licensing Rates</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/16555714674/as-pandora-goes-public-how-come-no-one-is-pointing-out-that-it-misled-press-about-being-profitable.shtml">questioning</a> the business model viability of Pandora for a while now.  The company had told various press outlets that it was profitable, but when it filed to go public that did not appear to be accurate.  The issue isn't so much Pandora, but the ridiculous licensing fees it has to pay.  Again, this fit with what we had noticed by doing some quick back of the envelope <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110213/22075413074/how-come-no-one-calls-out-pandora-false-promise-profitability.shtml">math</a>.  We couldn't figure out how the company could become profitable under its licensing deal in which the record labels get a ridiculously large cut -- especially since many in the recording industry have viewed that deal as <i>too favorable</i> (it was a discount from the rates set by the Copyright Board) and would like to increase the payments when the deal expires.
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Now it's come out that prior to Pandora's IPO, the SEC <a href="http://www.bnet.com/blog/advertising-business/sec-pandora-is-8220unsustainable-8221-due-to-reliance-on-legal-strategy/9657?tag=topTechContentWrap;editorPicks" target="_blank">asked the company to be more explicit</a> about the fact that its business plan relies on a lobbied agreement, and that under the Copyright Board's rates, the company's business model is unsustainable:
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You currently operate under a business plan strongly reliant on lobbied
concessions and federal court and federal agency consent decrees and
settlements, setting reduced royalty and licensing rates that expire in 2015 and
that ordinary rates, not subject to such extraordinary measures, to which you
may be subject upon the expiration of these exceptions make your current
business plan unsustainable, as discussed in your risk factors on page 15 and
16;
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Again, the real issue here is the ridiculously high licensing fees, set by a completely out of touch and technically clueless Copyright Board.  These are the baseline for any negotiation, and while an agreement was reached to let Pandora (and many others) have lower streaming rates for the time being, it seems unlikely that the recording industry will agree to any lower rates in the future, and will only try to push for higher rates.  This is unfortunate, given that Pandora is a cool service and it would be nice if it could survive.  And, don't think this only impacts Pandora.  Other music streaming services face similar licensing issues as well.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110805/03174715401/sec-told-pandora-to-be-more-explicit-its-ipo-that-its-business-is-likely-unsustainable-due-to-crazy-licensing-rates.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110805/03174715401/sec-told-pandora-to-be-more-explicit-its-ipo-that-its-business-is-likely-unsustainable-due-to-crazy-licensing-rates.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110805/03174715401/sec-told-pandora-to-be-more-explicit-its-ipo-that-its-business-is-likely-unsustainable-due-to-crazy-licensing-rates.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:48:33 PDT</pubDate>
<title>That Didn't Take Long: Turntable.fm Blocked To All Non-US Users</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Just last week, we wondered how long it would take before the recording industry helped <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110621/17003314793/how-long-until-riaa-kills-best-music-service-around.shtml">kill off Turntable.fm</a>, which we consider to be one of the best music services we've seen in a long, long time.  Apparently, it's not taking very long at all if you're outside the US.  We started receiving emails from people all weekend, letting us know that <a href="http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/25/turntable-fm-blocks-access-to-everyone-outside-the-us/" target="_blank">Turntable.fm had officially blocked all non-US users</a> after realizing that its current licensing methodology technically only covers them in the US.  The company insists that it's planning to return to other countries "as quickly as possible," but it may discover that's a lot trickier than they expect.  After all, Pandora went through the exact same thing, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070502/200120.shtml">blocking</a> all non-US users over four years ago, promising to return as quickly as possible, but it still hasn't been able to, even now that the company's public and has a giant warchest.  Part of the problem is that music licensing agencies throughout the world demand <A href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100922/18465611125/canadian-recording-industry-demands-45-of-revenue-then-blames-pirates-for-no-streaming-music-services.shtml">absolutely ridiculous rates</a> from companies like Pandora, and I imagine Turntable.fm will quickly discover the same depressing news.
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Of course, in the meantime, those of us in the US can continue to use the service, and folks in foreign countries can get on via proxy servers which aren't too hard to find, but basically the industry's stupid licensing regimes effectively make this very useful service, that <i>helps introduce people to new music</i>, unavailable to most of the world.  What a waste.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110626/22420014868/that-didnt-take-long-turntablefm-blocked-to-all-non-us-users.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110626/22420014868/that-didnt-take-long-turntablefm-blocked-to-all-non-us-users.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110626/22420014868/that-didnt-take-long-turntablefm-blocked-to-all-non-us-users.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>As Pandora Goes Public, How Come No One Is Pointing Out That It Misled The Press About Being Profitable?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We mentioned this <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110213/22075413074/how-come-no-one-calls-out-pandora-false-promise-profitability.shtml">earlier</a>, but with Pandora scheduled to go public this week, it seems to bear repeating.  Over the last couple of years, Pandora, which is a service that I'm a fan of, has repeatedly told the press that it is profitable.  You can see various reports on its profitability from <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2009/09/25/pandora-from-near-death-to-profitability-in-a-year/" target="_blank">TechCrunch</a>, <a href="http://mashable.com/2009/05/19/pandora-profitable-in-2010/" target="_blank">Mashable</a>, <a href="http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2010/01/pandora-profitable-chasing-the-80-opportunity.html" target="_blank">Hypebot</a> and <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10433355-261.html" target="_blank">News.com</a> -- all generally good publications that don't get easily tricked.  Yet, when the company filed to go public, it became clear that it wasn't profitable.  Not only that, but it wasn't close to profitable and might never be profitable.
<br /><br />
This really shouldn't be a surprise.  If you knew anything about typical ad rates and the costs associated with (a) streaming bandwidth and (b) the licensing details for streaming music, the math really didn't add up.  And it's just now, on the eve of what is likely to be a very successful IPO, that more people are realizing that <a href="http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/06/13/pandora-the-money-losing-music-machine/" target="_blank">the company is basically a money losing machine</a>, and that its revenue doesn't cover its basic expenses:
<blockquote><i>
There is a fundamental problem with Pandora Media's business model: the more its product is used, the more money it loses. That's the opposite of what makes a company viable in the long term. Nevertheless, the online music service is asking public shareholders to finance its growth so it can draw more listeners, increase usage and ... lose more money, presumably.
</i></blockquote>
This is unfortunate on multiple levels.  The biggest issue here is, not surprisingly, the ridiculously high costs of the licenses that Pandora has to pay.  Even though plenty of folks have found that Pandora is an excellent source to discover new music, and has turned many people (myself included) on to new artists we'd never have heard of otherwise, the recording industry still demanded ridiculously high royalty rates, which it eventually extracted from Pandora.  Oddly, at the time of the agreement, Pandora cheered on the deal saying that the rates made sense (and then used the deal to raise a lot more money).  But with the details showing that the costs are keeping the site unprofitable, and may fundamentally make it so that the site can't be profitable, shouldn't we be questioning how reasonable those rates are?  And, while we're at it, can we question the earlier claims of profitability from the company to the press?  Lots of private startups make this sort of claim to the press, and they never seem to get called on it, which is why it's unfortunate that no one seems to have challenged Pandora on its claims.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/16555714674/as-pandora-goes-public-how-come-no-one-is-pointing-out-that-it-misled-press-about-being-profitable.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/16555714674/as-pandora-goes-public-how-come-no-one-is-pointing-out-that-it-misled-press-about-being-profitable.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110613/16555714674/as-pandora-goes-public-how-come-no-one-is-pointing-out-that-it-misled-press-about-being-profitable.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>the-misleading-state-of-startups</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:42:53 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Statutory Damages In Copyright Law Make It More Appealing To Sue Than To Innovate</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There are all sorts of problems with copyright law today, but one of the biggest is the farce that is statutory damages.  This is what allows everyone who sues someone for a single instance of copyright infringement to threaten them with the possibility of a $150,000 fine.  Of course, even in situations where the $150,000 isn't available, we still end up with rulings that seem <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101103/22424611712/jammie-thomas-verdict-this-time-it-s-1-5-million-for-sharing-24-songs.shtml">totally disconnected</a> from any actual "harm."  Defenders of the statutory damages provisions in copyright law come up with all sorts of twisted rationalizations for why ridiculously high statutory damages rates make sense, usually along the lines of saying that there's simply no reasonable way to calculate actual damages.  This is, of course, silly.  Even if you can't calculate exact damages, you can come up with <i>something</i> that at least approaches a reasonable level.
<br /><br />
However, the completely unrealistic statutory damages have created other problems as well -- and defenders of the statutory damage rates may want to pay attention here, since it actually makes life a lot worse for the content creators copyright law is supposedly supposed to "protect."  It's highlighted in some <a href="http://paidcontent.org/article/419-pandora-ceo-international-copyright-law-is-intractable-problem/" target="_blank">comments from Pandora's CEO Joe Kennedy</a>, noting that it's tough to build a legitimate online music service these days <i>because it's a better business model for copyright holders to sue</i>:
<blockquote><i>
"The statutory damages clause (of copyright law) creates a moral hazard... It's too attractive to sue. It's a better business model than saying, 'I'll partner with you and build a business.' The lawyers in the music industry spent too much time suing and fighting, in lieu of developing better business partners."
</i></blockquote>
While he goes on to say they're better about it today than in the past, it's still very much true today as well.  As we've <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090618/0011185272.shtml">highlighted</a>, the recording industry has a long history of suing first and negotiating later.  In fact, there was a time when pretty much any halfway respectable music startup was being sued by a record label.  The labels recognized that hanging that liability over the startups' heads was a way to force them into a negotiating corner.  That's no way to build innovative music services.  And, of course, even when the labels did end up negotiating, they would use those huge statutory damage threats to wring ridiculous rates out of the startups -- rates that made it impossible to build a real business.
<br /><br />
So isn't it about time that we dumped these statutory damage rates?  Or drastically lowered them?  Unfortunately, you hear no movement in that direction.
<br /><br />
The rest of Kennedy's interview is interesting as well.  He notes how it's difficult-to-impossible to build a global internet music company due to different copyright laws around the world, and the ridiculous royalty rates demanded by holders in each country.  And, he notes that copyright law, itself, needs a massive rethink in the age of computers:
<blockquote><i>
"There is a really fundamental problem that's going to keep coming up over and over again. Computers, in the digital world, work by making copies. I think that we're going to continue to trip over this very fundamental issue. <b>This is the frustration of a computer-science guy in a roomful of lawyers</b>. Until there's some conception of what a copy is in a digital world... there are going to be a whole bunch of cases that are going to be kind of a crap-shoot."
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<slash:department>problem-in-a-nutshell</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:43:49 PST</pubDate>
<title>How Come No One Calls Out Pandora For False Promise Of Profitability?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ I'm a Pandora fan.  I like the service and use it sometimes.  However, I remember being surprised about a year ago when the company claimed that it was profitable.  It had celebrated settling its royalty fight with the RIAA/SoundExchange by saying that the agreement allowed it to become profitable, but just doing some back of the envelope math, I couldn't figure out where that profitability came from.  Last year, when I saw someone from Pandora speak about how they had something like 100 salespeople all selling ads, the numbers still didn't make that much sense.  That many sales people is <i>really</i> expensive, and knowing the online ad business, I had trouble fitting the math in line as to how the company could possibly be profitable.  Between the licensing, bandwidth and staff costs, unless they were getting <i>insanely</i> high ad rates, it just didn't add up.
<br /><br />
And, yet, there were various media reports insisting the company was profitable.  <a href="http://techcrunch.com/2009/09/25/pandora-from-near-death-to-profitability-in-a-year/" target="_blank">TechCrunch</a>, <a href="http://mashable.com/2009/05/19/pandora-profitable-in-2010/" target="_blank">Mashable</a>, <a href="http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2010/01/pandora-profitable-chasing-the-80-opportunity.html" target="_blank">Hypebot</a>, <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10433355-261.html" target="_blank">News.com</a> and others excitedly talked up how Pandora had gone from almost shutting down to profitability by the end of 2009, and all seemed to think it was a foregone conclusion that, as Pandora promised, it was going to be profitable in 2010.
<br /><br />
Yet, on Friday, Pandora filed for a $100 million IPO, and <a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/02/pandora-files-for-100-million-ipo-has-yet-to-turn-a-profit.html" target="_blank">the filings show that the company is still a long way from profitability</a>.  And, now, the company that talked up how profitable it was going to be in 2010 is claiming it <a href="http://paidcontent.org/article/419-pandoras-ipo-filing-copyright-fees-eat-up-half-its-revenues/" target="_blank">might not really be profitable until the end of 2012</a> or later.
<br /><br />
As expected, the SoundExchange agreement is not at all reasonable -- representing a <i>huge</i> chunk of Pandora's expenses -- 45% of its revenue went to SoundExchange in the first 9 months of 2010.  On top of that, Pandora is currently in <i>another</i> fight with ASCAP, who wants a bigger chunk than it was already getting as well.  And, of course, Pandora is stuck in the US unless it can negotiate better rates around the globe.  Basically, copyright costs are making it so that an otherwise useful service is unlikely to survive.  You can read the <a href="http://edgar.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1230276/000119312511032963/ds1.htm#toc119636_22" target="_blank">full S-1</a> if you'd like to see more.
<br /><br />
I do hope that Pandora figures out a way to survive, and continues to improve its service.  However, I'm curious why so many folks in the press were happy to claim that the company was profitable, and cheered on the fact that it was <i>going to be</i> profitable for 2010, when the reality shows that it still has a long way to go before it'll really be profitable.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110213/22075413074/how-come-no-one-calls-out-pandora-false-promise-profitability.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110213/22075413074/how-come-no-one-calls-out-pandora-false-promise-profitability.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110213/22075413074/how-come-no-one-calls-out-pandora-false-promise-profitability.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>celebrating-too-soon?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:40:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Spotify May Not Spur Music Sales; But What If It Makes Music Consumers More Valuable?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There was some news a few days back about how people who use Pandora end up buying more music, while <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-10459568-261.html" target="_blank">people who use Spotify do not</a>.  Of course, if you understand these two services, this <a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/02/of-course-on-demand-music-replaces-sales-its-supposed-to/" target="_blank">should be completely obvious</a>.  After all, Pandora is like radio -- with a bit of randomness, and no real way to just play what you want.  Spotify, on the other hand, is designed to replicate your music collection -- a cloud-based iTunes.  Unfortunately, those who focus too narrowly on the idea that <i>music sales</i> is the <i>music business</i> may find this news as further support for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100210/1131198110.shtml">moving away</a> from services like Spotify.  On top of that, I've heard from people who were at the conference where this "research" was announced, and it turns out that the guy presenting it <i>never mentioned Spotify at all</i>.  It's just that the press is assuming he meant Spotify.
<br /><br />
However, either way, just looking narrowly at music sales is a mistake.  As we've discussed, <i>selling music</i> is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090621/1626125300.shtml">not a very good business</a> any more, but that doesn't mean that there aren't good <i>music business models</i> -- it's just that selling music probably isn't one of them.
<br /><br />
With that in mind, it's worth taking a look at a recent report put out by Will Page, an economist for PRS in the UK -- and the guy who put out that report last year showing that the music industry was actually <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090723/0351345633.shtml">growing, not shrinking</a>, when you looked at all the component parts.  In his latest report, Page takes on the <a href="http://www.prsformusic.com/creators/news/research/Documents/Economic%20Insight%2016%20ARPU.pdf" target="_blank">question of "average revenue per user"</a> (ARPU) when it comes to the music consumer out there -- with a specific look at Spotify (and, unlike the NPD report that's getting all this press, Page actually has real info about Spotify).
<br /><br />
Around here, we're used to hearing about ARPU in the context of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060227/1033234.shtml">telcos</a>.  It's a stat that telco execs and Wall Street money folks obsess over.  Five years back, we <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051215/192235.shtml">warned</a> why the telcos obsessive focus on ARPU was dangerous, and could lead to bad long-term strategic decisions.  Page's report effectively suggests the same thing is true in the case of the music business.  With the move to various music services, such as Spotify and Pandora, there is a sudden push to look at "ARPU" of music consumers as well -- and if the average music buyer in the UK spends &pound;63 on music, and Spotify can get them to sign up for a &pound;120 plan, that seems like a pretty good thing.  Right?
<br /><br />
But, as Page notes, the real story is a hell of a lot more complicated than that.  What if Spotify is picking off just the "top users" who were actually spending &pound;150 per year?  Or, what if it's getting people who <i>didn't buy music at all</i> to pay for subscriptions?  Then, any direct revenue is incremental, and the pricing could really matter -- since lower prices could bring in a lot more total revenue by bringing new "buyers" into the market.  Furthermore, just focusing on the ARPU from direct payments for music (sales or subscriptions) misses a big part of the story.  Live shows are a large and growing part of the market, but don't make it into such calculations.  Merchandise and other direct-to-fan offerings also probably aren't included in many of those calculations.  And, in fact, we've heard that Spotify is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100204/0047288037.shtml">looking to enable those other business models</a> as well -- and isn't just focused on the obsolete metric of "music sales."
<br /><br />
As such, services like Pandora and Spotify shouldn't necessarily be judged on how much they contribute to plain old music sales, or even direct ARPU -- but how much they drive people to spend money within the music ecosystem -- and then figure out where that money goes, and whether or not it's allocated in a way that benefits or harms the various players in the space.  If Spotify helps make every other aspect of the music industry more valuable, but depresses the market for direct music sales, that shouldn't be seen as a bad thing at all.
<br /><br />
Once again, it reminds us of the necessity to not get too narrowly focused on a subsegment of the market when trying to figure out what's happening -- but to explore the larger ecosystem of how much money is being generated around music -- and then we can look at where it goes and what it funds.  That is, we shouldn't be worried about how much people spend on horse carriages, but on transportation.  So remember that whenever you hear numbers being thrown around about how much money is being made or "lost" in various industries.  If you don't look at the overall ecosystem, you often miss what's happening.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100226/0320388320.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100226/0320388320.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100226/0320388320.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>lifetime-value?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:22:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Why Did Pandora Sign Away Its Right To Petition The Copyright Royalty Board For Lower Rates?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It's already quite troubling that Pandora appears to be <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/1727436511.shtml">supporting the RIAA bailout tax</a> against radios (Pandora's competitors), but now we have a better understanding of why, thanks to a little birdie who highlighted what's going on.  Among the nasty little hidden gems in the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090707/1657295475.shtml">recently agreed</a> to <a href="http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-4439.pdf" target="_blank">webcaster settlement agreement</a> (pdf) is that, if you want the lower rates in the settlement, you have to remove any objections to previous rate arbitrations <i>and</i> not participate in any future Royalty Board fights over royalties:
<blockquote><i>
Article 6<br /><br />
Non-Participation In Further Proceedings<br />
CPB and any Covered Entity making Web
Site Transmissions in reliance on this
Agreement shall not directly or indirectly
participate as a party, amicus curiae or
otherwise, or in any manner give evidence or
otherwise support or assist, in any further
proceedings to determine royalty rates and
terms for digital audio transmission or the
reproduction of Ephemeral Phonorecords
under Section 112 or 114 of the Copyright
Act for all or any part of the Term, including
any appeal of the Final Determination of the
Copyright Royalty Judges, published in the
Federal Register at 72 FR 24084 (May 1,
2007), any proceedings on remand from such
an appeal, or any other related proceedings,
unless subpoenaed on petition of a third
party (without any action by CPB or a
Covered Entity to encourage such a petition)
and ordered to testify in such proceeding.
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Basically, this takes away the right of any company to fight for more reasonable royalty rates in the future -- which doesn't seem like it should be allowed.  Based on this, there's basically no one left who can protest future rate increases -- which means that the RIAA/SoundExchange will easily be able to repeatedly push through greater rate increases.
<br /><br />
Thus, since Pandora and the other webcasters won't be able to protest higher and higher rates, it needs to drag others into the fight to get help protesting constant massive rate increases: hence its support of the Performance Rights tax.  In theory, if the NAB (who represents radio broadcasters) gets dragged into the fight, then there's a big dog who isn't subject to the draconian clause above, and can push back on the Copyright Royalty Board for lower performance rights taxes.  Of course, that assumes that the NAB would fight for lower overall rates, rather than just focusing on rates for radio, and leaving the webcasters to fend for themselves...
<br /><br />
No matter how you look at this, it's stunning that Pandora and other webcasters would sign away their right to state their own case in front of the CRB.  RIAA/SoundExchange are laughing all the way to the bank.  They get to make their case to increase royalty rates... while those who get stuck with the royalty rates have to shut up and take it.  Regulatory capture at its finest.  Again, we're left wondering why the Copyright Royalty Board even exists.  Why are a group of old judges setting the price of music anyway?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091014/1221036531.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091014/1221036531.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091014/1221036531.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>well,-that's-obnoxious</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:18:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Pandora Continues To Push Users To Vote For Shameful Radio Performance Tax</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We mentioned back in July how Pandora was urging its users to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0431085541.shtml">support the Performance Rights Act</a>, which is effectively a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090514/0218574881.shtml">government bailout for the RIAA</a> by taxing already struggling radio stations for the right to help promote the RIAA's music.  It's a travesty.  The only reason Pandora supports it is because Pandora was pressured into its own <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0331255511.shtml">ridiculous webcasting rates</a> and wants to help bring down radio too.  While I like Pandora as a service, I think it's shameful that it's now using the political process to burden competitors with a government created tax, that goes straight to the RIAA.
<br /><br />
Apparently, Pandora has once again ramped up this effort to have the government tax its competitors.  A whole bunch of you have been forwarding these <a href="http://broadcaster.pandora.com/dm?id=0630A9BDCE1C491BD47F394D5D2EE676050542759970026E" target="_new">ridiculous emails from Pandora</a> that urge people to contact their elected officials in support of the RIAA Bailout bill.  Most of those submitting those emails to us have said that you'll be doing the exact opposite, and are offended that Pandora is pushing you to support such a thing.
<br /><br />
Yes, Pandora, it sucks that you got stuck with ridiculous webcasting rates that will make it difficult to remain profitable, but that's no excuse for trying to get the government to dump an unfair tax on your competitors.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/1727436511.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/1727436511.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091013/1727436511.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>can't-compete?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:34:21 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Pandora: If We're Getting Taxed So Heavily By SoundExchange, Radio Should Be Too</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, this is rather disappointing.  Just days after <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090707/1657295475.shtml">caving in</a> and agreeing to new webcaster rates that will harm pretty much <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0331255511.shtml">everyone</a>, Pandora has gotten <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/07/pandora-now-pushing-radio-to-pay-for-music-too.ars" target="_new">right into bed with the RIAA/SoundExchange</a> in supporting the Performance Right Act (<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090514/0218574881.shtml">the RIAA Bailout Act</a>) to extend a similar unnecessary tax on radio.  Pandora's reasoning is no surprise: basically it's saying that if <i>it</i> has to pay such a silly tax to help promote musicians, it's unfair that radio stations get away without paying something similar.  But, still, it's disappointing.  Rather than looking at adding value to the overall market, Pandora has basically decided that it's "enemy's enemy is a friend" and is supporting such a law simply because it will harm radio stations.  This makes me think significantly less of Pandora.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0431085541.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0431085541.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090714/0431085541.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>strange-bedfellows</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:15:58 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Why The New Webcasting Rates Are A Death Sentence For Webcasters</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ When the announcement came out this week that webcasters had somehow "come to an agreement" with SoundExchange over webcasts, what was unbelievable was that many presented this as a "victory" for webcasters.  Hell, even SoundExchange made public statements about how it was <i>disappointed</i> by the rates, but it was an "experiment."  But when you looked at the actual numbers, this made no sense.  The rates are <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090707/1657295475.shtml">ridiculously high</a> when compared to royalty rates for traditional radio or satellite radio.  Michael Robertson <a href="http://www.michaelrobertson.com/archive.php?minute_id=298" target="_new">breaks down the numbers and explains away the myths of this deal</a>.  It will almost certainly bankrupt nearly every webcaster out there.  Robertson focuses on the big webcasters, and points out that the 25% royalty rate promoted by the press isn't accurate at all, and for a company like Pandora the real rate will be north of 40% of revenue -- which is not even close to sustainable.  
<br /><br />
Meanwhile, small webcasters don't get much of a break either. Live365 is pointing out that these rates will basically <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2009/07/09/hold-on-pandora-didnt-save-all-internet-radio/" target="_new">kill off every webcaster it hosts</a> by requiring a $25,000 fee.  As the company notes, the guy running the Armenian folk music station for $10/month isn't going to pay $25,000 and certainly isn't going to make enough revenue to pay up.
<br /><br />
Make no mistake: these new rates are effectively going to kill off a significant portion of online webcasters.  The recording industry, of course, doesn't find this problematic, because they don't like the fact that they can't control webcasters the way they can radio, so they are fine with taxing them out of business.  But what a waste of what technology allows.  These days, anyone can and <i>should</i> be able to effectively express their own musical views by webcasting what they like.  And that's about to become prohibitively expensive for no reason other than that SoundExchange/RIAA have a gov't granted monopoly over any kind of broadcasting.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0331255511.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0331255511.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090710/0331255511.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:33:16 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Why Should Webcasters Pay 25% Of Revenue To Promote Musicians?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ After years of back and forth negotiating (and more than a couple public spats), it appears that SoundExchange and music webcasters like Pandora have <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/technology/internet/08radio.html?_r=1&#038;partner=rss&#038;emc=rss" target="_new">finally worked out an agreement on webcasting rates</a>.  If you don't recall, the Copyright Royalty Board assigned absolutely ridiculous royalty rates a few years ago, which seemed to have no bearing on reality (random aside: no one has yet explained why we feel it's okay for a small group of judges to determine what is a "fair rate").  The original rates would almost certainly put most webcasting operations completely out of business.  But before delivering that death sentence, SoundExchange, the RIAA-spinoff that gets to collect the money (and has a long history of hanging onto it for longer than necessary and having trouble "finding" the artists it owes money to), thankfully agreed to hold off enforcing the new rates while everyone negotiated.
<br /><br />
Since then, there has been a wide variety of back and forth details until the official agreement was put in place today... and even though many of the news stories present this as SoundExchange somehow backing down and "Pandora" winning, the details, frankly, seem so out of touch with reality it's difficult to see how it makes any sense at all.  The main issue is performance rights, which radio stations already don't have to pay because radio is helping to <i>promote</i> artists.  The idea that webcasters/broadcasters should need to pay artists for the right to promote them to fans just seems bizarre and borderline incomprehensible in the first place.
<br /><br />
Also worth noting is that the royalty rates that traditional broadcasters <i>do</i> pay (to composers/songwriters/publishers) averages out between 3 and 4% of revenue.  So, if you really had to come up with a reasonable rate to pay performers as well, you might think that it would start around that same 3 or 4%.  Even that would be a pure bonus for performers who are used to getting nothing as a royalty (tax) from radio.  But... no.  The agreement is an astounding <i>25% of revenue</i> as a bare minimum, with a requirement to kick-in $25,000 just to be a webcaster at all. 
<br /><br />
Pandora claims they're happy about this because it keeps Pandora in business (and settles a big legal dispute, which hopefully allows them to go raise some money to stay in business).  But it's a stunningly large percentage of revenue that will make things prohibitively expensive for most webcasters to really stay in business.  You now have to have huge margins to get anywhere in a notoriously competitive business.
<br /><br />
Who loses?  Well, just about everyone outside of SoundExchange/RIAA.  Already, despite being happy about this deal, Pandora has announced that it's <a href="http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/20090707/web-radio-darling-pandora-slips-the-noose-but-at-a-cost-heavy-users-now-have-to-pay-to-play-next-up-a-big-funding-round/" target="_new">sharply curtailing its free service</a>, and if you listen to more than 40 hours per month, you'll need to start paying.  Most webcasters now have a huge expense that will make it difficult for many of them to remain in business at all.  Musicians are severely harmed as well.  While a few top musicians might get a new royalty check from SoundExchange (when and if it gets around to "finding" those artists), most musicians will now get <i>less</i> exposure, making it that much more difficult for them to put in place the successful modern business models needed to succeed today.  This basically just rewards the RIAA/SoundExchange and a few large artists who will get an extra royalty check.  Everyone else is worse off.
<br /><br />
Some might say the NAB and traditional radio stations also make out nicely, in that since these rates may harm webcasters, it takes away some competition, but even if the radio stations are happy in the short-run, it's a bad deal.  These rates, certainly, will likely influence any eventual "performance right" that's added to terrestrial radio, and could significantly jack up the cost of running a regular radio station as well.
<br /><br />
We're living in an era of amazing technological progress, where it's <i>easy</i> for anyone to go out and promote musicians to others and help get those musicians and a larger audience, and all the RIAA has done, time and time again, is work as diligently as possible to prevent anyone but itself from promoting artists.  What a shame.  This "deal" does nothing to help up-and-coming artists and will significantly limit their ability to get their music noticed.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090707/1657295475.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090707/1657295475.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090707/1657295475.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:48:12 PST</pubDate>
<title>Ocean Tomo Patents Being Used To Shake Down Companies That Have Online Recommendations</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Ocean Tomo is a company that's been around for a few years, trying to establish itself as the auction house for patents.  I've already made clear how <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070507/013659.shtml">troubling</a> I believe its business model to be, but the company always tries to put a friendly face on it, claiming that it's not about aiding so-called "patent trolls" but actually reducing the problem of patent trolling.  However, that (of course) isn't what's actually happening.  A patent on <a href="http://www.google.com/patents?id=z3IWAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=5,890,152" target="_new">personal recommendation systems</a> ("if you bought x, you'll like y") was bought via Ocean Tomo by what seems likely to be a bunch of lawyers under the company name Quito (though, it's not entirely clear who's involved) and <a href="http://thepriorart.typepad.com/the_prior_art/2009/01/the-.html" target="_new">is now being used in a lawsuit against thirteen big internet companies</a> that employ any type of rating system.  The companies being sued are: Netflix, Amazon, Yahoo, RealNetworks, last.fm, Pandora Media, Slacker Inc., Veoh, Hulu, NBC Universal, CBS, News Corp., and Strands.
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As you look through that list, you'll recognize that some have done significantly innovative work in taking the concept of an online recommendation system and actually making it <i>useful</i>.  The simple idea of doing recommendations is pretty straightforward.  Making it work well?  Not so much.  Hell, that's why Netflix is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070604/103908.shtml">offering $1 million</a> to anyone who can improve their recommendation engine by just 10%.  The basic ideas expressed in the patent are not where the value in these recommendation systems lies.  It's in the actual effort of figuring out how to make them work better.  This patent has <i>nothing</i> to do with the actual success of a recommendation system, but the holders of it may now get a pay day just for holding the patent, thanks to Ocean Tomo's auctions.  And, of course, this means that all of those companies that were <i>actually innovating</i> will, at the very least, now need to spend legal dollars defending against this massive innovation blocker.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090108/0150223329.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090108/0150223329.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090108/0150223329.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>ebay-for-patent-trolls</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:21:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>NAB Trying To Cut Off Pandora's Air Supply</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've already covered how Pandora will most likely need to <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080817/2203011998.shtml">shut down</a>, if the royalty rates set for web streaming aren't changed.  While there were agreements earlier this week on <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20080923/1832232352.shtml">some forms</a> of online streaming royalties, it was <i>not</i> the ones that are the problem for Pandora.  Pandora has been negotiating a more reasonable rate that would let the company survive, and it has been making progress.  However, it needs a bit more time.  Amazingly, Pandora, the RIAA and SoundExchange all agree that they're making progress, and with a bit more time they can probably iron this out.  To that end, Rep. Jay Inslee introduced a minor bit of legislation to give them more time to work things out.
<br /><br />
So what happens?  The National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) has started <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/feeds/?p=257" target="_new">actively lobbying against the bill</a>.  Basically, the NAB recognizes that Pandora is a direct competitor to the terrestrial radio stations who make up its members.  But, rather than compete, it's hoping that the RIAA's fight with Pandora will cause Pandora to go out of business.  This is, of course, quite typical of the NAB's lobbying efforts.  Remember how strongly it fought against allowing XM and Sirius to merge.  It was the same situation, where it was hoping to use legal efforts to kill off competitors, rather than competing in the market.  Pandora is asking people to contact their congressional Reps. to make sure that the NAB isn't allowed to cut off Pandora's air supply, just as it gets close to (finally) working out an agreement to stay alive.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080926/1625032387.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080926/1625032387.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080926/1625032387.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>can't-stand-the-heat,-huh?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:02:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>RIAA May Get Its Wish: Pandora Leaning Towards Shutting Down Over Webcasting Royalties</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last year, we noted that the new webcasting royalty rates pushed through by the RIAA appeared designed specifically to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070304/223155.shtml">kill internet radio</a>.  These royalties are different and much higher than things like traditional and satellite radio, despite being much more fragile at this point in their development.  As if to prove the point, Pandora, one of the largest and most successful online streaming radio providers is now saying that it's <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503367_pf.html" target="_new">going to have to shut down if the royalty rates aren't changed shortly</a>. 
<br /><br />
This is exactly what the RIAA wants, by the way.  Even if services like Pandora introduce people to tons of music (personally, I've bought a ton of music I found on Pandora), much of that music is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070726/181155.shtml">not from an RIAA-member label</a>.  The RIAA knew exactly what it was doing in pushing these higher rates: it was killing off alternative routes to promoting non-RIAA music.  The RIAA labels have always thrived off a very limited distribution and promotion channel.  After all, distribution and promotion are where record labels really make their money.  Competing methods of distribution and promotion are threats to be killed off -- and the RIAA may have succeeded here (with Congress' and the courts' help, of course).
<br /><br />
Oh, and don't think the solution is to only play non-RIAA music.  The RIAA's spinoff, SoundExchange, gets to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070430/013922.shtml">collect</a> money on non-RIAA music as well.  Oh yeah, it gets better too: if SoundExchange can't find the musicians to pay, it gets to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20040928/1155257.shtml">keep</a> the money.  That's why it has a history of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060921/192446.shtml">not looking</a> very hard for musicians in order to pay them.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080817/2203011998.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080817/2203011998.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080817/2203011998.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>how-the-RIAA-killed-internet-radio</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:43:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>AT&#038;T Says It Will Cut Off P2P Wireless Users; But What About Pandora Users?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ While those who like to claim that the US broadband market is more competitive than it really is like to point to the rise of 3G wireless networks as proof, they almost always ignore the fact that those 3G networks come with insanely <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20051017/234213_F.shtml">restrictive</a> terms of service, that allow the providers to cut users off for almost any activity outside of email or web browsing.  For example, using such a service for video and music has been prohibited in some terms of service.  Sprint was the most open with their 3G wireless until <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080519/2329211175.shtml">recently</a>.
<br /><br />
Now AT&#038;T is admitting that if it discovers users of its wireless broadband 3G service are making use of P2P apps, <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/003035att_will_disconnect_wireless_p2p_users.php" target="_new">it will cut them off completely</a>, and claims that it makes this clear in the terms of service.  It hasn't happened yet, but this bit of data will supposedly be used by a dissenting FCC commissioner this week to show that Comcast's traffic shaping is pretty tame compared to other "rules" out there on network usage (ignoring the very different nature of the networks in question, of course).
<br /><br />
This raises a number of questions:  If AT&#038;T's biggest concern about P2P file sharing apps is clogging its 3G wireless network, why does it allow streaming apps to run on the iPhone?  For example, one of the most popular apps on the iPhone is Pandora, whose customized streaming radio offering is <a href="http://www.adweek.com/aw/content_display/news/agency/e3i7d21992b375a28c6af0b33909cb1ee9b">super popular</a> (and appears to work quite well).  So is AT&#038;T going to cut off users of one of the most popular apps on the iPhone? And how will AT&#038;T respond when someone (inevitably, if they haven't already done so) develops an iPhone app for P2P file sharing as well?  This really just seems like AT&#038;T slipping an excuse into the terms of service to cut off anyone they don't like -- but in the long run it may backfire as people get pissed off at AT&#038;T for limiting what new devices like the iPhone can do.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080729/0135151823.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080729/0135151823.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080729/0135151823.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>be-careful-on-that-iPhone</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:15:49 PST</pubDate>
<title>Sometimes You Wonder If The Recording Industry Is Purposely Destroying Itself</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Back in May, we noted that the recording industry, in a shooting-itself-in-the-foot method, was demanding that music discovery site Pandora <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070502/200120.shtml">block</a> all non-US listeners, over an argument concerning the exact licensing terms of the music that Pandora streams.  The recording industry has been demanding that Pandora sign separate licensing agreements in every country, or it must block them.  Now, for anyone who has actually used Pandora, it takes all of about three seconds to recognize that it's the type of service that should be the recording industry's best friend.  You put in songs, musicians or even styles of music that you like, and Pandora finds you new music that it plays in a stream, like a personalized radio station.  Pandora makes it incredibly easy to both <i>discover</i> and <i>buy</i> new music.  If I worked for a record label, I'd be running around the world heavily <i>promoting</i> Pandora, and working with it to promote new artists.  Yet, instead, in true RIAA fashion, it's demanding a tithe instead.  While Pandora has been blocked in many countries since back in July, it kept going in the UK, believing that it would work out a reasonable solution there.  Apparently not.  As countless UK-based Pandora fans have been submitting over and over again, Pandora is now <a href="http://broadcaster.pandora.com/dm?id=79A4CCC700B7FC1AF054F82A2B5EC8FA050542759970026E">shutting off access</a> to UK listeners.  What does this accomplish?  As far as I can tell, all it does is take away a wonderful music discovery service that helped push people to actually buy music.  Only in the minds of recording industry execs would a company doing free advertising for you be seen as something that needs to be shut down.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080109/032038.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080109/032038.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080109/032038.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>no-more-pandora-in-the-UK</slash:department>
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