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<pubDate>Fri, 12 Apr 2013 19:39:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Documentary On The History Of Apple And Microsoft Show It Was All About Copying, Not Patents</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We recently posted about an absolutely ridiculous NY Times op-ed piece in which Pat Choate argued both that patent laws have been getting weaker, and that if we had today's patent laws in the 1970s that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130401/01463022521/author-claims-that-if-apple-microsoft-started-today-theyd-fail-without-stronger-patent-protection.shtml">Apple and Microsoft</a> wouldn't have survived since bigger companies would just copy what they were doing and put them out of business.  We noted that this was completely laughable to anyone who knew the actual history.  A day or so ago, someone (and forgive me, because I can no longer find the tweet) pointed me on Twitter to a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8YL6aufrd0" target="_blank">45 minute excerpt from a documentary about the early days of Microsoft and Apple</a> and it's worth watching just to show how laughably wrong Choate obviously is.
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There are two key themes that stand out incredibly strongly in this:  both Microsoft and Apple did an awful lot of what they did by shamelessly copying the work of others, and the big companies floating around the space (mainly IBM and Xerox) clearly had no clue at all about what was going on.  The few times they discovered interesting things, they didn't know what to do with them, and let Microsoft and Apple walk all over them to build something better that people wanted.  And when they tried to jump into these markets by copying the work of Apple and Microsoft, they tended to do a really bad job of it.  On the copying front, while most people are familiar with Apple copying the GUI from Xerox, less well known is the story of Tim Patterson at Seattle Computer Products reverse engineering CP/M based on understanding CP/M's APIs to create the early versions of DOS that Microsoft licensed to IBM.
<br /><br />
Also noteworthy: no discussion of patents at all.  At the very end of the clip there's a bit of a discussion from former Apple CEO John Sculley concerning Apple's legal fight with Microsoft over the look and feel of the GUI.  He mentions there was nothing patentable, but that they felt it was a copyright violation.  However, he also notes that Apple's strong belief that they could stop Microsoft via copyright also led to complacency within Apple, and less focus on competing by innovation.
<br /><br />
In other words, the claims Choate makes are laughable.  There was little to no reliance on patents during the early days, and a very strong culture of copying anything and everything, while competing by trying to out-innovate each other.  Furthermore, big companies couldn't figure out what was going on, even if they wanted to copy these successful upstarts.  At one point, Larry Ellison jokes about how IBM stupidly ceded the chip market to Intel and the OS/application market to Microsoft when it could have owned it all.
<br /><br />
One point about the video.  The YouTube link says this is from the "documentary" <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_Silicon_Valley" target="_blank"><i>Pirates of Silicon Valley</i></a>.  That's incorrect.  If I remember correctly, <i>Pirates of Silicon Valley</i> was actually a "TV movie" based on the same subject material, with Noah Wylie playing Steve Jobs and Anthony Michael Hall playing Bill Gates.  Instead, I'm pretty sure that the clips are actually from the documentary <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_of_the_Nerds" target="_blank"><i>Triumph of the Nerds</i></a>, put together and narrated by Mark Stephens, who is better known as Robert X. Cringely (there's another interesting historical story about the legal fight over the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_X._Cringely" target="_blank">Cringely name</a>, but that's a totally different tangent).  This documentary actually came out in 1996, so it's interesting to see how it mostly predates the internet (though there is some discussion of the internet), Jobs' return to Apple and a variety of other things that happened over the past 15 years.  Either way, it should put to rest Choate's silly claims.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130409/09212322633/documentary-history-apple-microsoft-show-it-was-all-about-copying-not-patents.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130409/09212322633/documentary-history-apple-microsoft-show-it-was-all-about-copying-not-patents.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20130409/09212322633/documentary-history-apple-microsoft-show-it-was-all-about-copying-not-patents.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:25:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Apparently I'm A Google Shill And I Didn't Even Know It</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ So, there's been this slightly weird tangent in the Oracle/Google patent & copyright dispute, in which Judge Alsup -- for reasons that are still not clear to anyone -- ordered both companies to <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2012/08/comments_on_jud.htm" target="_blank">disclose the names of</a> any "authors, journalists, commentators or bloggers who have and/or may publish comments on the issues in [the] case."  Both sides made filings last week, with Oracle disclosing -- as was already public -- that it had blogger Florian Mueller on staff as a consultant, and mentioning an Oracle employee who blogged about the case.  Google, on the other hand, told the court that it hadn't paid anyone to comment on the case at all, but did mention that in the course of its regular activities, it does give money to various companies, some of whom may have had employees who commented on the story.  Judge Alsup came back earlier this week and told Google it didn't try hard enough and to find some names to name.
<br /><br />
Earlier today, Google did its filing and apparently found some names... including mine!  Yes, I know that we've had some haters declaring for years that I'm a Google shill, so this must be the confirmation of all their conspiracy theories, rumors and attacks, right?  Well, no.  I'm named in the section about CCIA -- the Computer and Communications Industry Association.  Why?  Because CCIA sponsored some research that we did.  Here's what the filing states:
<blockquote><i>
The CCIA has commissioned studies by Mike Masnick, CEO of Floor64. See
<a href="http://www.floor64.com/about.php">http://www.floor64.com/about.php</a>. Mr. Masnick has commented on the case on the TechDirt
website and on his personal friendfeed.com account. See Ex. X (available at
<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120523/11050519050/boom-jury-says-no-patentinfringement-
google-oracle-case.shtml">http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120523/11050519050/boom-jury-says-no-patentinfringement-
google-oracle-case.shtml</a> and at <a href="http://friendfeed.com/mmasnick/a3a94012/jurygoogle-
did-not-infringe-on-oracle-patents">http://friendfeed.com/mmasnick/a3a94012/jurygoogle-
did-not-infringe-on-oracle-patents</a>).
</i></blockquote>
And, yes, CCIA has commissioned a study by my company (Floor64) which I co-authored.  And that's, uh, public knowledge.  Here's my post back in January <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120129/17272817580/sky-is-rising-entertainment-industry-is-large-growing-not-shrinking.shtml">announcing the Sky is Rising</a> report, in which it says, upfront, that it was sponsored by CCIA.  And, of course, you can go check out the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/skyisrising/">Sky is Rising</a> report yourself directly, which has a nice big CCIA logo on the front.  Hell, if you want, you can also <a href="http://rtb.techdirt.com/products/the-sky-is-rising/">donate some money</a> for the ebook version -- and it, too, will come with the CCIA logo.
<br /><br />
I'm not sure how that has anything to do with Google.  Google is a CCIA member, as are a bunch of other companies.  And, honestly, if you'd asked me yesterday, I would have said that I thought Oracle was a CCIA member too, because it's an organization that represents a bunch of top tech companies, including Microsoft, eBay, Sprint, Facebook, AMD, Fujitsu, Dish Networks and more.  However, it appears that Oracle is not a CCIA member, though I only learned this today from the filing, which also notes that <a href="http://allthingsd.com/20120817/google-no-paid-bloggers-here-your-honor/?mod=googlenews" target="_blank">Oracle and Sun used to be CCIA members</a>.  So, I'm not sure what any of that says about anything.
<br /><br />
And, of course, if the point of this exercise is to uncover "shills" who are really speaking on behalf of companies without disclosing it, once again this argument falls down.  My position on issues related to copyright and patents has been pretty damn consistent since before Google existed.  And that continues up until today.  I will regularly call out Google for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120820/02045620096/google-launches-patent-attack-apple-disappointing-first-company.shtml">patent</a> and <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120812/23494420001/seven-reasons-why-google-is-making-mistake-filtering-searches-based-dmca-notices.shtml">copyright</a> behavior that I believe is bad.  And that's because I say what I think.  The editorial content of this site has never been for sale, nor will it ever be.  Because the only way I survive in this business is with my reputation.
<br /><br />
Also, I'm not sure what's with the Friendfeed link in the filing.  To be honest, I'd completely forgotten about Friendfeed, which I thought was shut down after Facebook bought the company.  But I believe my Friendfeed just sucked in my Twitter account and Techdirt's Twitter account into a single feed.  And apparently it lives on without my knowledge.
<br /><br />
Separately, because all of this struck me as interesting, I remembered that we did some work with <i>Oracle</i> too!  And, just as with what we did with CCIA, it was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20100504/0158189295.shtml">disclosed publicly</a> at the time.  Oracle (along with Intel) sponsored a section of our site, and a series of webinars that we did.  And yet, Oracle did not disclose me in their original filing and I don't believe that they filed a new filing here either.  Of course, as with CCIA, our relationship with Oracle did not include them having any say in editorial either.  In fact, with the order as broad as it was from Judge Alsup, I'd argue that there's a much stronger argument that I should be in the Oracle filing than the Google one.  But, of course, Oracle didn't include us because it was a random blog sponsorship thing they did a while back which had nothing to do with editorial (or even intellectual property issues).
<br /><br />
In the end, this comes right back to some of the <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2012/08/judge-alsups-identify-your-shills-order.html" target="_blank">concerns</a> that were raised about Judge Alsup's broad order in the first place.  If you want to find tenuous connections, they exist.  In fact, Google's filing lists out a bunch of other names (including many people who I know or consider friends), almost all of whom have a long, long history of holding the exact same positions, and where the connection to "Google money" is, at best, weak.
<br /><br />
Like many folks, I was curious to see who would be named on both of these lists, but the order was so broad that it seems to have swept me up into it (on one side, though a broad reading says it would make more sense for me to be on the other one!), and that's silly.  I'm a big boy and I can handle people not understanding the details here and attacking me, but the fact that we did unrelated research for a different organization that Google is a member of -- and that gets me named on a list of "shills" just doesn't seem right.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120824/12563220150/apparently-im-google-shill-i-didnt-even-know-it.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120824/12563220150/apparently-im-google-shill-i-didnt-even-know-it.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120824/12563220150/apparently-im-google-shill-i-didnt-even-know-it.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:29:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Patent Troll Sues Facebook, Amazon, Oracle, Linkedin, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley &#038; More For Using Certain File Systems</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Via Jeff Roberts at Gigaom, we learn of yet another patent trolling operation: Parallel Iron, which has <a href="http://gigaom.com/2012/07/13/troll-sues-facebook-amazon-and-others-for-using-hadoop/" target="_blank">sued a bunch of tech companies and banks</a> because of the <em>file systems</em> they use.  It filed a few lawsuits in April, most of which were refiled in June, and then it just filed a bunch of new ones as well.  Some of the filings are more specific about the file system -- such as in the Facebook and Amazon cases, where it specifically calls out the popular Hadoop Distributed File System (HDFS).  In the Oracle suit, it's parallel Network File System (pNFS).  For what it's worth, EMC appears to be the only company sued who tried to first sue for declaratory judgment in a different venue, but it was still sued with all the others in Delaware on the same day that EMC filed its own suit in Massachusetts.
<br /><br />
While most patent infringement lawsuit filings tend to be pretty matter of fact, this one goes immediately for the hyperbole stick, suggesting that the four inventors on these patents made some amazing breakthrough, and everyone else copied it:
<blockquote><i>
In this technological age, we take for granted the ability to access tremendous
amounts of data through our computers and the Internet, a process that seems effortless and
unremarkable. But this apparent effortlessness is an illusion, made possible only by
technological wizardry. The amount of information that is used by many companies has
outstripped the storage capacity of individual memory devices. The information must be stored
across hundreds or thousands of individual memory devices and machines. The ability to keep
track of information as it is distributed across numerous devices and machines, while still
allowing users to retrieve it seamlessly upon request, is a feat that was impossible until recently.
It was made possible by the innovations of technological pioneers like Melvin James Bullen,
Steven Louis Dodd, William Thomas Lynch, and David James Herbison.
<br /><br />
Bullen, Dodd, Lynch and Herbison were, among others, members of a company
dedicated to solving the difficult problems that limited the capacity of computer technology and
the Internet, particularly problems concerning data storage. These engineers found innovative
solutions for these problems and patented several technologies for data storage, including the
ones at issue in this case. Many of the data-access feats we take for granted today are possible
because of the data-storage inventions of Bullen, Dodd, Lynch and Herbison.
</i></blockquote>
Considering the claims that these four individuals were brilliant "technological pioneers," you would think that searches on their names would turn up story upon story about their accolades, presentations at tech events, celebrations in their honor, etc.  But, of course, that's not the case.  All you seem to find are stories about these lawsuits, or information about their patenting activities.  Maybe my search skills aren't up to par, or maybe these four guys were not "technological pioneers," but merely got some broad patents on the same basic solution that lots of folks skilled in the art were figuring out at the same time.  The idea that such things wouldn't exist but for Bullen, Dodd, Lynch and Herbison is pretty ridiculous.
<br /><br />
In case you're wondering, the patents in question are <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/US7197662" target="_blank">7,197,662</a>, <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/US7543177" target="_blank">7,543,177</a> and <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/US7958388?dq=7,958,388&#038;ei=UIsAUNvAF-io0AHR15zJBw" target="_blank">7,958,388</a>, all of which are for "methods and systems for a storage system."  The core of these patents goes back to a 2002 original filing date on the '662 patent.   Hadoop and pNFS both show up on the scene around 2003, so it's about the same time.  It certainly sounds like a bunch of folks who work with large amounts of data were all coming up with some obvious (to them) solutions.  Two of them actually brought stuff to market.  The others... well, they're suing.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120714/03315519701/patent-troll-sues-facebook-amazon-oracle-linkedin-citigroup-morgan-stanley-more-using-certain-file-systems.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120714/03315519701/patent-troll-sues-facebook-amazon-oracle-linkedin-citigroup-morgan-stanley-more-using-certain-file-systems.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120714/03315519701/patent-troll-sues-facebook-amazon-oracle-linkedin-citigroup-morgan-stanley-more-using-certain-file-systems.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 9 Jul 2012 20:29:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Google Asks For $4 Million In Legal Fees From Oracle</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Having <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">lost</a> its patent/copyright case against Google in somewhat spectacular fashion, Oracle is now facing the possibility of <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/07/google-oracle-legal-fees/" target="_blank">having to also pay Google over $4 million in legal fees</a>.  Google has submitted its calculation of legal fees that it's seeking from Oracle, and it totals up to $4,030,669.  Of course, this case is heading for <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml">appeal</a>, so this number may be meaningless.  However, it does suggest that Oracle -- which once seemed to believe this case might bring it billions of dollars -- may quickly discover that it's costing an awful lot instead...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120709/03593119623/google-asks-4-million-legal-fees-oracle.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 3 Jul 2012 12:44:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>EU Court Says, Yes, You Can Resell Your Software, Even If The Software Company Says You Can't</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/11345519566/eu-court-says-yes-you-can-resell-your-software-even-if-software-company-says-you-cant.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ You may remember that a couple years ago, an appeals court in the US ruled that, when dealing with software, as long as the provider calls what it sells "a license" rather than a "sale" it can <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100912/12212110968.shtml">take away</a> your first sale rights.  As you hopefully know, first sale rights are what let you resell goods that have copyright-covered material in them -- such as books -- without asking for permission from the copyright holder.  However, for reasons that still don't make any sense, the 9th Circuit seems to think that as long as something is purely digital, first sale no longer applies.  
<br /><br />
The Supreme Court <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111004/02480316193/supreme-court-wont-hear-case-saying-that-you-have-no-first-sale-rights-with-software.shtml">refused</a> to hear the appeal, so while technically the ruling still only applies in the 9th Circuit, it's what most consider to be the state of the law in the US (there is always the possibility a different circuit court could disagree and it could go back to the Supreme Court -- and one could argue that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110104/13413112518/court-rules-that-its-legal-to-sell-promotional-cds.shtml">some</a> other <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101214/13170212274/some-good-some-bad-new-ruling-whether-not-wow-bot-infringes-copyright.shtml">rulings</a> in the 9th Circuit already conflict -- but for now, the Autodesk case is widely considered the standard).  There is, also, the upcoming <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120210/03230217727/schrdingers-download-whether-not-itunes-music-sale-is-sale-depends-whos-suing.shtml">ReDigi case</a>, of which there's a <a href="http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2012/07/01/the-used-record-store-goes-digital-music-resale-brings-digital-showdown/vOhr7pzVNiWc2gRjKa9EnN/story.html?s_campaign=sm_tw" target="_blank">decent profile in the Boston Globe</a> -- but that's focused on music, and it's not entirely clear how that one will come out either.
<br /><br />
Over in Europe, however, it appears that the European Court of Justice (who has been pushing out some relatively insightful rulings on copyright issues lately) seems to recognize just how ridiculous the 9th Circuit's view on first sale and software really is.  In a new ruling, it has <a href="http://curia.europa.eu/juris/document/document.jsf?text=&#038;docid=124564&#038;pageIndex=0&#038;doclang=EN&#038;mode=req&#038;dir=&#038;occ=first&#038;part=1&#038;cid=5213884" target="_blank">upheld the right of first sale on software</a>, basically saying that you are buying a license and that license is resellable.
<br /><br />
The specific case involved a company, UsedSoft, that was trying to create a market in reselling used software.  Oracle sued, claiming that its license agreement specifically stated that it could not be resold.  However, the court found that the right of first sale applied.  In the court's language, it talks about copyright "exhaustion" which is the idea that once you've sold something you've "exhausted" your right to control it.
<blockquote><i>
It makes no difference, in a situation such as that at issue in the main proceedings, whether the copy of the computer program was made available to the customer by the rightholder concerned by means of a download from the rightholder&#8217;s website or by means of a material medium such as a CD-ROM or DVD. Even if, in the latter case too, the rightholder formally separates the customer&#8217;s right to use the copy of the program supplied from the operation of transferring the copy of the program to the customer on a material medium, the operation of downloading from that medium a copy of the computer program and that of concluding a licence agreement remain inseparable from the point of view of the acquirer, for the reasons set out in paragraph 44 above. Since an acquirer who downloads a copy of the program concerned by means of a material medium such as a CD-ROM or DVD and concludes a licence agreement for that copy receives the right to use the copy for an unlimited period in return for payment of a fee, it must be considered that those two operations likewise involve, in the case of the making available of a copy of the computer program concerned by means of a material medium such as a CD-ROM or DVD, the transfer of the right of ownership of that copy.
</i></blockquote>
There are some interesting side notes on this.  First, the court <i>also</i> rules that if Oracle promised free maintenance updates to the original licensee, it must continue to provide those to whomever purchased the "used" software.  However, it also puts a couple of limitations on this. The first one is somewhat obvious: the seller of the used license can no longer be using the software.  Oracle argued that this would be hard to track, but the court rightly points out that this is the same issue that those who sell software on CD-ROMs and DVDs face, but they figure out how to survive:
<blockquote><i>
 As Oracle rightly observes, ascertaining whether such a copy has been made unusable may prove difficult. However, a copyright holder who distributes copies of a computer program on a material medium such as a CD-ROM or DVD is faced with the same problem, since it is only with great difficulty that he can make sure that the original acquirer has not made copies of the program which he will continue to use after selling his material medium. To solve that problem, it is permissible for the distributor &#8211; whether &#8216;classic&#8217; or &#8216;digital&#8217; &#8211; to make use of technical protective measures such as product keys.
</i></blockquote>
Separately, however, the court ruled that you <b>cannot</b> divvy up the number of seats in a license and sell them individually.  That is, if you buy a 100 seat license to some software, and are only using 50, you can't then sell just those other 50 seats.  This ruling says that the first sale only applies to the entire license agreement, basically.
<br /><br />
There is some disagreement as to how "big" an impact this ruling will have.  To be honest, I'm not convinced that the overall impact will be that large, but I think it is a good thing that the court appears to recognize that you cannot contract away certain rights granted to you under copyright.  Copyright holders have long tried to remove the limitations and exceptions of copyright law through contracts and "licenses."  Recognizing that those limitations and exceptions really do exist is important, and it's good to see the EU Court of Justice release a clear ruling on that issue.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/11345519566/eu-court-says-yes-you-can-resell-your-software-even-if-software-company-says-you-cant.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/11345519566/eu-court-says-yes-you-can-resell-your-software-even-if-software-company-says-you-cant.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/11345519566/eu-court-says-yes-you-can-resell-your-software-even-if-software-company-says-you-cant.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:44:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Even The Judge Wonders What Oracle Is Up To As It Asks For $0 In Copyright Damages From Google</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Having <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">lost</a> both its patent and copyright claims against Google in somewhat spectacular fashion (remember when it was claiming billions in damages?), Oracle recently agreed in court that it was fine with <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228298/Oracle_agrees_to_zero_damages_in_Google_lawsuit_eyes_appeal" target="_blank">receiving $0 in statutory damages for the short snippets of code that were copied</a>.  This even took the judge by surprise, who asked if there was a "catch" he should be aware of.  The issue is one that is really more procedural than anything else: everyone realizes that the only thing that matters now is what happens in the appeal, and if Oracle happens to win the appeal, it can revisit the damages question.  Either way, however, it is a bit symbolic to see Oracle "accept" $0 in damages.  And, of course, there is still one more part to this round in district court, which is that Google is expected to seek attorneys' fees from Oracle as well -- meaning that Oracle's plan to get billions from Google may turn into not just a loss, but a really, really expensive loss.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120621/09203019418/even-judge-wonders-what-oracle-is-up-to-as-it-asks-0-copyright-damages-google.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 6 Jun 2012 07:15:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Oracle Sues To Stop Lodsys Patent Trolling</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Oracle apparently has no sense of irony when it comes to patents.  The day after a judge issued a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">complete smackdown</a> in Oracle's "big" patent and copyright lawsuit against Google, Oracle has suddenly decided that it doesn't like patent bullies.  Well, as long as the bully isn't Oracle.  It <a href="http://gigaom.com/mobile/oracle-sues-to-smash-patent-troll-lodsys/" target="_blank">filed its own case against Lodsys</a> -- the quite infamous patent troll that has been <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120522/18323319031/lodsys-continues-demanding-cut-smartphone-apps-developers-hit-back-court.shtml">threatening and suing</a> tons of companies for daring to do in-app payments.  Apparently, Lodsys has targeted Oracle customers and the company has had enough.  It's actually good to see more tech companies fight back against Lodsys, but it does seem a bit odd on the timing for Oracle, given its over-emphasis on the importance of not violating patents in the earlier case.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120605/03311019204/oracle-sues-to-stop-lodsys-patent-trolling.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120605/03311019204/oracle-sues-to-stop-lodsys-patent-trolling.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120605/03311019204/oracle-sues-to-stop-lodsys-patent-trolling.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 15:46:23 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Judge Delivers Thorough And Complete Smackdown Of Oracle's Copyright Claims</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, well.  A few weeks ago, the jury in the Google/Oracle lawsuit ruled that Google <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml">infringed</a> on a very small amount of Java API, but as we noted it was still an open question (and one for the judge to rule on) whether or not APIs were even eligible to be covered by copyright.  In the second phase of the case, the jury completely <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120523/11050519050/boom-jury-says-no-patent-infringement-google-oracle-case.shtml">rejected</a> the idea that Google had infringed on Oracle's patents.  So all that left was the 37 APIs.  And that tiny "win" for Oracle is now gone as well, as the judge has ruled that those particular APIs are not covered by copyright:
<blockquote><i>
So long as the specific code used to implement a method is different, anyone is free
under the Copyright Act to write his or her own code to carry out exactly the same function
or specification of any methods used in the Java API. It does not matter that the declaration or
method header lines are identical. Under the rules of Java, they must be identical to declare a
method specifying the same functionality &#8212; even when the implementation is different.
When there is only one way to express an idea or function, then everyone is free to do so and
no one can monopolize that expression. And, while the Android method and class names could
have been different from the names of their counterparts in Java and still have worked, copyright
protection never extends to names or short phrases as a matter of law.
<br /><br />
It is true that the very same functionality could have been offered in Android
without duplicating the exact command structure used in Java. This could have been done by re-arranging the various methods under different groupings among the various classes and
packages (even if the same names had been used). In this sense, there were many ways to group
the methods yet still duplicate the same range of functionality.
<br /><br />
But the names are more than just names &#8212; they are symbols in a command structure
wherein the commands take the form
<center>
java.package.Class.method()
</center>
Each command calls into action a pre-assigned function. The overall name tree, of course, has
creative elements but it is also a precise command structure &#8212; a utilitarian and functional set
of symbols, each to carry out a pre-assigned function. <b>This command structure is a system or
method of operation under Section 102(b) of the Copyright Act and, therefore, cannot be
copyrighted</b>. Duplication of the command structure is necessary for interoperability.

</i></blockquote>
As some have pointed out the ruling <i>is</i> somewhat narrowly focused <i>just</i> on these 37 APIs, but the principles involved in why those 37 APIs are not copyrightable certainly will apply to plenty of other APIs as well.  The ruling itself (embedded below) is pretty thorough and detailed.  We had noted earlier that Judge Alsup had admitted that he'd <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120518/04252818965/should-people-learn-to-code-yes-if-they-are-judges-ruling-cases-involving-software.shtml">learned to code Java</a> in order to better understand the case (and that he'd had a history of knowing other coding languages as well) -- and it shows.  Rather than using braindead broad analogies that don't make much sense, as we see all too often in court rulings, Alsup gets to the heart of the matter and clearly understands what an API is and how it works.  His ruling is actually a decent primer on some parts of code for those who have never coded.
<br /><br />
From that, Alsup points out just how ridiculous this entire case has been -- and specifically notes that he's explaining the level of ridiculousness of Oracle's position <i>for the benefit of the appeals court</i> who will surely hear this case once Oracle appeals (and which almost certainly will be staffed with judges not nearly as clued-in as Judge Alsup).
<blockquote><i>
Oracle has made much of nine lines of code that crept into both Android and Java.
This circumstance is so innocuous and overblown by Oracle that the actual facts, as found
herein by the judge, will be set forth below for the benefit of the court of appeals.
</i></blockquote>
He goes on to explain not just how insignificant the situation was, but he details how it happened and why it's crazy to consider it worthy of a copyright infringement suit.  It's a pretty complete smackdown of Oracle's position.
<br /><br />
Again, it is quite likely that Oracle will appeal, even though this ruling is so firm it might be smarter for Oracle to issue a giant apology to the tech community and just get on with doing business.  That seems unlikely, of course, as Oracle probably hopes to find less knowledgeable judges on appeal.  One hopes, however, that the appeals court judges will recognize the very, very thorough nature of Judge Alsup's ruling, and reject any appeal as well.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120531/15383819155/judge-delivers-thorough-complete-smackdown-oracles-copyright-claims.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 11:08:51 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Boom: Jury Says No Patent Infringement By Google In Oracle Case</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Remember back when Oracle was claiming that Google owed it <i>billions</i> of dollars for infringing on Oracle patents and copyrights?  Yeah.  Forget that.  The jury just <a href="https://twitter.com/CNETNews/statuses/205357861600108544" target="_blank">said that there's no patent infringement <i>at all</i></a> and the judge has dismissed the jury.  All that's left in this phase of the case is for the judge to make a determination over the copyright issue -- and if he decides APIs cannot be covered by copyright, Oracle will have a complete and total loss.  Of course, Oracle will almost certainly appeal, but this case has turned into something of a complete disaster for the company.
<br /><br />
Groklaw <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120523125023818" target="_blank">has the details</a> with "no" answers across the board:
<blockquote><i>
Clerk:
<p>
Question 1: has Oracle proved by preponderance of evidence that Google infringed?</p><p>

Claim 11: not proven<br />
27: no<br />
29: no<br />
39: no<br />
40: no<br />
41: no</p><p>

Question 2: not proven</p><p>

1: no<br />
20: no</p><p>

Question 3:  no answer, no response, not applicable.

</p>
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<title></title>
<dc:creator>Glyn Moody</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>Recently Techdirt <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120515/17215018932/can-you-understand-how-technology-works-without-understanding-code.shtml">wrote</a> about the heated debate on the subject of whether people should learn to code.  We pointed out that some knowledge of that subject could be particularly useful in helping people understand why copyrighting APIs or patenting software is just crazy -- whatever the abstract legal arguments, in practice both make programming much, much harder.
</p><p>
An obvious situation where such practical knowledge could be crucially important is in court cases dealing with software.  Rather neatly, the long-running court case between Oracle and Google, where the former is accusing the latter's Android of infringing on its code in various ways, has thrown up a perfect example of this.
</p><p>
It arose in an exchange between Judge Alsup and Oracle's main lawyer, the high-profile David Boies, best known for representing the US Justice Department in the United States v. Microsoft case.  Boies claimed that the fact that the jury had decided <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/7/3004697/oracle-google-trial-deadlocked-jury-partial-verdict/in/2731667">Google's "rangeCheck" code had copied Oracle's implementation of the same function</a> was evidence that Google was trying to save time.  The argument of Boies was that  Google consciously copied those few lines from Oracle in order to accelerate development -- and thus to start making money faster through daily activations of phones running its Android operating system.
</p><p>
But <a href="http://www.i-programmer.info/news/193-android/4224-oracle-v-google-judge-is-a-programmer.html">Judge Alsup was having none of it</a>:

<i><blockquote>I have done, and still do, a significant amount of programming in other languages. I've written blocks of code like rangeCheck a hundred times before. I could do it, you could do it. The idea that someone would copy that when they could do it themselves just as fast, it was an accident. There's no way you could say that was speeding them along to the marketplace. You're one of the best lawyers in America, how could you even make that kind of argument?</blockquote></i>

This is a perfect example of a judge being able to draw on his personal experience of coding to dismiss what a clever lawyer probably thought was a clever argument.
</p><p>
Contrast this with another judge, talking this time about <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/05/top-judge-ditching-software-patents-a-bad-solution/">software patents</a>,  as recently <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20120515/18135818935/patent-judges-completely-out-touch-with-how-much-patents-hinder-technology-innovation.shtml">reported</a> on Techdirt:

<i><blockquote>Judge Michel seemed unaware of the depth of the software industry's dissatisfaction with the patent system. He suggested the patent system's critics were relatively marginal figures not representative of the views of the broader technology industry. And he didn't seem to understand the dynamics of the patent arms race currently affecting the software industry.
<br /><br />
"If software is less dependent on patents, fine then. Let software use patents less as they choose," Michel said. "If other industries are terribly dependent on patents, then let's not wreck the system just because software people are unhappy."</blockquote></i>

No one who has tried to code in any depth could dismiss the problems caused by software patents so glibly -- it would be hard, for example, to imagine Judge Alsup saying this.  
</p><p>
Learning to code certainly isn't a panacea, nor is it relevant for everyone.  But for those professionals who must make important decisions about software -- judges, for example -- a basic programming literacy is indispensable.  As it is, the tech industry must count itself lucky that the Oracle vs. Google case seems to have ended up in front of one of the few judges qualified to decide it.
</p><p>
Follow me @glynmoody on <a href="http://twitter.com/glynmoody">Twitter</a> or <a href="http://identi.ca/glynmoody">identi.ca</a>, and on <a href="https://plus.google.com/100647702320088380533">Google+</a></p><br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120518/04252818965/should-people-learn-to-code-yes-if-they-are-judges-ruling-cases-involving-software.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120518/04252818965/should-people-learn-to-code-yes-if-they-are-judges-ruling-cases-involving-software.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120518/04252818965/should-people-learn-to-code-yes-if-they-are-judges-ruling-cases-involving-software.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Judge Ridicules Oracle's Risky Choice To Forego Statutory Damages And Seek Bigger Payout</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've written tons of stuff on the ridiculousness of statutory damages for copyright infringement -- which can put damages for a single infringement at up to $150,000 (for willful infringement).  When you're talking about a $0.99 song, that seems completely out of line.  The reason for statutory damages (supposedly) is that figuring out actual damages is simply too difficult, so a statutory range lets you ignore any discussion of having to prove real damages.  In most copyright lawsuits, plaintiffs automatically take the statutory damages rates.  It's pretty rare for anyone to opt-out.  However, opting out is <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/oracle-ignores-judges-advice-going-after-infringed-profits/76637?utm_source=twitterfeed&#038;utm_medium=twitter" target="_blank">exactly what Oracle has done</a> in its ongoing lawsuit against Google.  And it did this despite the judge ridiculing the company for the decision.  From Rachel King at ZDNet:
<blockquote><i>
When Alsup heard Jacobs say this, he warned that if Oracle goes down this path, they might not win anything at all, adding that it is the &#8220;height of ridiculousness&#8221; to think that Oracle could claim &#8220;hundreds of millions&#8221; of dollars for nine lines of code.
<br /><br />
&#8220;The law can&#8217;t operate that way,&#8221; Alsup said. &#8220;In my mind, you&#8217;re making a mistake.&#8221;
<br /><br />
In a later discussion on Friday morning, David Boies, also representing Oracle, tried to defend this strategy, arguing that the burden of proof is on Google here &#8212; not Oracle.
<br /><br />
&#8220;What we are saying is once you proved infringement, we think under the law we have claim for infringer&#8217;s profit case,&#8221; Boies asserted.
</i></blockquote>
The only thing I can figure here is that Oracle is doing this just to be a pest.  Even if it does eventually win on the copyright issue (still an open question given the judge needing to rule on the copyrightability of APIs), it's not going to get that much money either way.  The $150,000 statutory damages numbers are pocket change for either company, but as the judge made clear, in all likelihood it would get less (or nothing) if it tries to get "infringer's profits," because the contribution of the code in question is so minimal.  However, it is possible that the fight over what those "profits" might be will simply prolong the case... and the expense of the case.  So perhaps this is just a strategy by Oracle to drag things out?  Maybe its lawyers are hoping that will make Google want to settle?  Other than that, I'm with the judge in being a bit perplexed by the reasoning here.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120511/15042218886/judge-ridicules-oracles-risky-choice-to-forego-statutory-damages-seek-bigger-payout.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120511/15042218886/judge-ridicules-oracles-risky-choice-to-forego-statutory-damages-seek-bigger-payout.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120511/15042218886/judge-ridicules-oracles-risky-choice-to-forego-statutory-damages-seek-bigger-payout.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Confused Jury Says Google Infringed On Oracle's Copyright, Sorta, But Maybe Not</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There was some indication last week that the jury in the Oracle/Google lawsuit was having trouble coming to agreement, and it appears that despite some effort to try to fix that, in the end the jury remained deadlocked on a bunch of issues.  However, <a href="http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/7/3004697/oracle-google-trial-deadlocked-jury-partial-verdict" target="_blank">it did decide that Google infringed on Oracle's copyright</a> in the Java APIs it used -- but what the jury punted on was whether or not those uses were allowed via fair use.  This seems a bit odd, since fair use, despite supposedly being a defense, still means that there was no infringement.  So, basically the jury said that Google <i>may</i> have infringed... which is pretty useless for a jury.  Separately, the jury <i>rejected</i> the idea that Google infringed on the documentation of the APIs.  It also found that Google <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57428612-94/oracle-v-google-jury-returns-partial-verdict-favoring-oracle/" target="_blank">did not infringe</a> on the comments for some of the code, but <i>did</i> infringe on using rangeCheck in two files.  That said, the jury again punted on whether or not the use was de minimis (which, again, would mean non-infringement).
<br /><br />
According to The Verge (who is in the court room), the jury also wasn't buying the claim that Google relied on Sun's statements saying that Google's use was okay. The jury's main problem with Google's claim here wasn't that Sun hadn't made clear that the use was acceptable.  It was that there wasn't much evidence that Google actually relied on such claims from Sun.  I can understand <i>why</i> the jury might claim this, but I wonder why it would matter.  Given that Sun made clear that Google's use was acceptable, in what world could you later turn around and claim that its use was unacceptable?
<br /><br />
Either way, the fact that the jury couldn't come to an answer on the fair use/de minimis questions effectively sinks the entire process.  Google immediately asked the judge to declare a mistrial, and the judge has supposedly asked both companies to prepare arguments over whether or not a mistrial should be declared, so this is far from over.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120507/11433418817/confused-jury-says-google-infringed-oracles-copyright-sorta-maybe-not.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Ongoing Patent Fights Mean Startups Are Now Wasting What Little Money They Have At The Patent Office</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last week, I had the chance to chat with the General Counsel of a well known internet company -- not a "giant" one, but one you've almost certainly heard of -- and we got to discussing Twitter's new <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/10324218529/twitters-revolutionary-agreement-lets-original-inventors-stop-patent-trolls.shtml">patent assignment agreement</a> with its employees, and whether or not other tech companies would start offering the same thing.  He was a bit skeptical, and pointed out that, even at a company the size of his (big enough to have a full time general counsel, for example) <i>they had applied for exactly zero patents</i>. He said he's tried, but none of the engineers at the company have any interest at all in patenting what they're working on (actually, in talking to someone else later on, I heard that the bigger issue is that some of the employees are thinking about ways to open source their work).  Either way, the lawyer noted that, because of that, any patent assignment agreement was something of a waste of time.  His company just wasn't interested.
<br /><br />
Unfortunately, it appears that not all startups are working that way.  With Yahoo's <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120312/18274118084/delusions-grandeur-yahoo-officially-sues-facebook-laughably-argues-that-facebooks-entire-model-is-based-yahoo.shtml">patent fight</a> against Facebook getting so much attention these days (not to mention other big patent fights involving companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft, Oracle and others...), it seems that <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-05-03/startups-party-at-the-patent-office" target="_blank">startups are (rather reluctantly) spending a lot more time (and money) at the Patent Office</a>.
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This is, to put it mildly, crazy.  The two biggest scarce resources for startups are time and money.  Throwing them away on getting patents is a huge waste, and it's main purpose is to act as insurance against failure or against jealousy over extreme success.  Basically, most patents are completely useless.  But if a company is failing, then perhaps it can sell off its patents.  And, if a company is succeeding, then suddenly others will start suing it for patent infringement -- and the hope (rarely realized) is that having at least a few patents in the portfolio means that other practicing entities won't sue for fear of getting sued back (patent trolls are exempt from this, however).
<br /><br />
It's really too bad that the state of the patent world today is such that are most innovative companies are basically forced to throw away time and money to apply for patents they never want to use.
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One separate aside on this story.  The article talks about the Twitter IPA agreement, and later quotes the founders of the startup Everyme as saying they support the IPA, but: "their first three apps were already with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office by the time IPA was available, though, and they don&#8217;t plan to refile them."  This sentence makes no sense.  The IPA has nothing to do with the USPTO and the patent filing.  It's merely a part of the assignment agreement, leaving some portion of control with the inventor.  In fact, Twitter -- who does have some patents -- has said that it's using this agreement retroactively with patents that were applied for before the IPA existed.  So there's no reason to refile the applications at all.  In fact, the IPA is entirely separate from the actual patent application.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120504/03133018775/ongoing-patent-fights-mean-startups-are-now-wasting-what-little-money-they-have-patent-office.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120504/03133018775/ongoing-patent-fights-mean-startups-are-now-wasting-what-little-money-they-have-patent-office.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120504/03133018775/ongoing-patent-fights-mean-startups-are-now-wasting-what-little-money-they-have-patent-office.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:03:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Oracle/Google Case Shows Just How Totally Pointless It Is To Have Patents On Software</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120424/00411918621/oraclegoogle-case-shows-just-how-totally-pointless-it-is-to-have-patents-software.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Julie Samuels has a fantastic piece over at Wired using the Oracle v. Google case to <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/04/opinion-samuels-google-oracle/" target="_blank">explain why patents simply don't make any sense in the software world</a>:
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For starters, software often does not require the type of heavy investment that should result in a 20-year monopoly. Instead of expensive laboratories or years of testing for FDA approval, for example, you often just need a coder and a computer. Even complex programs don&#8217;t require 20 years of exclusivity to recoup their investment. Software patents are often not even necessary for successful businesses: Facebook and, yes, Google &#8212; never relied on software patents to grow their early businesses.
<br /><br />
Software patents are also notoriously vague and difficult to understand, making it impossible for small inventors to navigate the system without expensive legal help. And that brings us to the most dangerous aspect of software patents: litigation.
<br /><br />
It turns out that software patents are nearly <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1868979">five times more likely</a> to be the subject of litigation as other patents. In fact, lawsuits surrounding software patents have <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1868979">more than tripled</a> since 1999, and they have become part of the price of doing business in America. Take Spotify. After realizing much success in Europe, Spotify launched its U.S. product in July, and just weeks later it found itself facing a patent suit.
</i></blockquote>
Of course, tons of software developers recognize this implicitly.  I know an awful lot of software developers in Silicon Valley.  I can't think of a single one who thinks patents are a good thing or even remotely useful (and this includes many developers who <i>have</i> patents).  In development circles, it seems that nearly everyone thinks patents are a waste of time and money.  And that's because software doesn't work the way that the patent system envisions.
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Perhaps most troubling, the patent system fails to recognize how people create and use technology. Software is fundamentally situated as a building-block technology. You write some code, and then I improve upon it &#8212; something the open source community has figured out. Google&#8217;s use of Java in its Android OS also demonstrates how innovators create, by making its own product and and incorporating some elements of the Java language (which, incidentally, Java&#8217;s creators have a history of supporting). And when those two come together, it results in an incredibly popular product, here the Android OS.
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It's the difference between an idea and actually bringing that idea to market.  That difference is always ignored or underestimated by patent lawyers -- but developers know the difference.  The patent system wasn't designed by software developers, though.  And it shows.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120424/00411918621/oraclegoogle-case-shows-just-how-totally-pointless-it-is-to-have-patents-software.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120424/00411918621/oraclegoogle-case-shows-just-how-totally-pointless-it-is-to-have-patents-software.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120424/00411918621/oraclegoogle-case-shows-just-how-totally-pointless-it-is-to-have-patents-software.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:01:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Fight Is On Between Oracle And Google Over Java API Copyrights</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last summer, we noted that there was an interesting <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110822/11242915616/side-show-oracle-google-patent-fight-are-apis-covered-copyright.shtml">"sideshow"</a> in the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml">patent dispute</a> between Oracle and Google -- a question of whether or not Java's APIs are covered by copyright.  That "sideshow" has become the main attraction now that <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17705873" target="_blank">the trial has started</a> and many of the patent claims have been kicked out.
<br /><br />
Oracle has been <a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/features/opening-slides-1592541.pdf" target="_blank">quite public with its argument</a> (pdf), which is mostly based on taking snippets from Google emails that suggest a need to license Java.  The favorite of the bunch is this one:
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They also point to some snippets of code that do appeared to be copied:
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If you just see that side of it, you might be convinced, but the details suggest a much less convincing story.  First off, there are serious concerns about whether or not an API even <i>can</i> be covered by copyright.  In fact, before Sun was acquired by Oracle, Sun's own CTO had said that "internet specifications are not protectable under copyright," which (you might think) gives Google an implied go ahead to make use of the API.  Furthermore, many of the email snippets that Oracle presents are taken out of context -- they show little snippets of big emails and pull from very very different time periods -- ranging from 2005 to 2010, when different factors applied.  Oracle also <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110724/11263315224/oracle-deletes-jonathan-schwartzs-old-blog-which-excitedly-celebrated-googles-use-java-android.shtml">scrubbed</a> a blog from former Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz in which he warmly welcomed Google to the Java family when the company launched Android.
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Perhaps more damning: Larry Ellison himself in 2009 at the JavaOne event spoke about Google's Android development and how they were contributing code back to Java.  Ellison himself was put on the stand and <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/04/ellison-page/" target="_blank">appeared to contradict his own depositions</a> when it came time to discuss the specifics of the copyright.  That can't go over well.  Not only that, but he stumbled, and claimed he was "not sure" when asked specific questions:
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On cross-examination, Google came out firing and the room got tense quickly. &#8220;Do you understand that no one owns the Java programming language?&#8221; lead counsel Robert Van Nest asked.
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Ellison began a longer answer, but Judge William Alsup interrupted him and said it was a &#8220;yes or no&#8221; question. Finally Ellison said, &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure.&#8221;
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&#8220;And anyone can use it without royalty?&#8221; Van Nest followed up.
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&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure,&#8221; Ellison said again.
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Then Van Nest showed a video of Ellison receiving the same question on a deposition video and answering &#8220;That&#8217;s correct&#8221; to both.
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Oracle's response, of course, will be that it just meant for developing apps, not for using the API -- but its other statements are a lot less clear on that.  Either way, it seems pretty clear that Sun gave an implied open license to these things, so to come back now and insist otherwise is pretty questionable.  Furthermore, there still are questions as to whether or not an API can actually be covered by copyright at all.
<br /><br />
Separately, Oracle keeps talking about just how much work it is to create APIs, and even points to some Google statements about the difficulty of doing so.  That's smoke and mirrors.  Difficulty has no bearing on copyright law.  It's kind of surprising that Oracle's lawyers would even bring it up, as "sweat of the brow" arguments won't get very far.  Hell, even if it biases a jury, it would get rejected on appeal.  It seems like Oracle's strategy here is just to confuse the jury and go for guilty by association because they're going to have trouble showing actual guilt.
<br /><br />
As for the specific code snippets shown above, those a few lines out of 50,000 or so files.  Under copyright there's a defense known as de minimis copying, if you're just found to have copied a very tiny portion of something.  It seems like that might apply here as well.
<br /><br />
Also, you may have heard stories about the results of this trial potentially being worth billions of dollars or something, but that was before most of the patents got thrown out.  The patents left over aren't worth very much at all, and <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120319191637551" target="_blank">the end result</a> means that if Oracle wins, it'll likely get less than $100 million. That's still a significant sum, but it's a lot less than what Oracle had hoped to get in this lawsuit.
<br /><br />
In the end, as it seemed from the beginning, Oracle's case looks pretty weak (and getting weaker).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120417/17463218535/fight-is-between-oracle-google-over-java-api-copyrights.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:16:01 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Side Show In Oracle, Google Patent Fight: Are API's Covered By Copyright?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ While the main event in the Oracle <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml">lawsuit against Google</a> is around patents, there is an interesting copyright sideshow as well, focused on the question of whether or not <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110804160611483">Oracle can copyright an API</a>.  A couple weeks ago, Google filed for summary judgment on this, noting (among other things) that Sun's own CTO had flat out declared that "internet specifications are not protectable under copyright," prior to Oracle buying out Sun.  The other key claim is that even if Google copied the API, the accusation has them copying 12 files out of over 50,000, which would qualify for de minimis copying, which is a common defense against minimal copyright infringement.
<br /><br />
Oracle has now responded and is arguing that <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110821173311240" target="_blank">copyright for APIs is perfectly reasonable</a>, claiming that the APIs "contain many original and creative elements."  Just as Google quotes a former Sun CTO, Oracle (somewhat snarkily) quotes a current Google employee (and former Sun employee) in noting, "API design is an art, not a science."
<br /><br />
As Groklaw notes in the above link, Google probably won't win on the motion for summary judgment on this issue, even if it has a better chance at trial:
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Although we don't buy all of Oracle's arguments (most importantly, we don't believe much of what they assert is copyright protected subject matter is, in fact, protected by copyright, such as API's), Oracle has probably done enough in its response to put the issue of copyright infringement before a jury. Of course, the court still needs to rule on Google's summary judgment motion.
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Indeed.  I have trouble seeing how APIs can be covered by copyright.  Oracle's key argument beyond that misleading quote is that creating a good API is "difficult."  Difficulty alone does not determine if something is copyrightable, of course.  Either way, allowing for copyright claims on APIs seems like a good way to create a lot more problems for important (legal!) things like reverse engineering.  Once again, it seems like stupid intellectual property laws may get in the way of important methods for innovation.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110822/11242915616/side-show-oracle-google-patent-fight-are-apis-covered-copyright.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110822/11242915616/side-show-oracle-google-patent-fight-are-apis-covered-copyright.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110822/11242915616/side-show-oracle-google-patent-fight-are-apis-covered-copyright.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 19:06:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Oracle Deletes Jonathan Schwartz's Old Blog; Which Excitedly Celebrated Google's Use Of Java In Android</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ There was a bit of an embarrassment in the ongoing patent dispute between Oracle and Google.  Oracle, of course, is claiming that Google's Android violates some of the patents it acquired from Sun concerning Java.  Google pointed out that if its use was so problematic, why did Sun celebrate Google's Java usage in Android?  They pointed to a blog post from then-Sun CEO Jonathan Schwartz (who was the first Fortune 500 CEO to blog -- and who, unlike many corporate bloggers, actually spoke his mind on the blog), which happily celebrated Google basing Android on Java/Linux:
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Of course, that looks bad for Oracle... so it's response was to <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20082151-93/scoop-oracle-scrubs-site-of-embarrassing-java-blog/" target="_blank">delete Schwartz's <i>entire</i> blog</a>.  Poof.  That moment of history gone.  Except if you have access to <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20101023072550/http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/congratulations_google" target="_blank">the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine</a>.  No wonder the Internet Archive has been declared <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110620/01370314750/universal-music-goes-to-war-against-popular-hip-hop-sites-blogs.shtml">a rogue site</a> dedicated to infringing activities.
<br /><br />
I imagine that Oracle also wanted to erase other former Schwartz blog posts, like the one we spoke about years ago, in which he pointed out that suing over patents is <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070515/165325.shtml">a sign of desperation</a> and that real companies innovate, rather than litigate.
<br /><br />
Now, many of you who will be quick to point out that none of that <i>matters</i>.  Oracle holds the patents now and so it gets to decide.  And that's true -- though I do wonder if such promises not to litigate over patents and to celebrate such usages might be seen as a form of a license...  But, the larger point I wanted to raise is that this shows the dangers even of <i>defensive patents</i>.  Sun held a ton of patents, almost all of which were for defensive reasons (or to just show <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml">what a joke</a> the patent system is).  And yet... now that Oracle has them, it can and is using them to try to shake down other companies.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110724/11263315224/oracle-deletes-jonathan-schwartzs-old-blog-which-excitedly-celebrated-googles-use-java-android.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110724/11263315224/oracle-deletes-jonathan-schwartzs-old-blog-which-excitedly-celebrated-googles-use-java-android.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110724/11263315224/oracle-deletes-jonathan-schwartzs-old-blog-which-excitedly-celebrated-googles-use-java-android.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Patents As Theft: How Oracle &#038; Microsoft Seek To Profit From Android Despite Having Nothing To Do With It</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ People talk about patent laws as if they're about "protecting property."  If only that were true.  In most cases, they seem to be about the exact opposite.  They're about getting paid for things that don't belong to you and which you had absolutely nothing to do with.  Take, for example, Google's Android operating system.  Microsoft has been using its patents to <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoftpri0/2015546538_is_android_microsofts_next_cash_cow.html">demand a cut</a> of every Android phone.  In fact, people have pointed out that Microsoft is likely going to make more money from Android than it makes from its own competing mobile operating system.  Now add to that Oracle's decision to <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/070711-oracle-win-would-strain-android.html" target="_blank">demand $15 to $20 for every Android device</a>, and what you get seems like highway robbery.  You have two companies -- Oracle and Microsoft -- who have done absolutely nothing to contribute to Android in any way, but who are both using large questionable patent portfolios to demand a cut.  That's not protecting or encouraging innovation.  That seems like the exact opposite.  It seems to be shaking down people for cash that they have no right to.  I'd argue that's much more like "theft" than anyone who infringes on a patent by building something the market wants.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20110708/16213815026/patents-as-theft-how-oracle-microsoft-seek-to-profit-android-despite-having-nothing-to-do-with-it.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20110708/16213815026/patents-as-theft-how-oracle-microsoft-seek-to-profit-android-despite-having-nothing-to-do-with-it.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20110708/16213815026/patents-as-theft-how-oracle-microsoft-seek-to-profit-android-despite-having-nothing-to-do-with-it.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Google Points Out That Oracle Asked Sun To Open Source The Java Tech It's Now Suing Google Over</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101005/12272811303/google-points-out-that-oracle-asked-sun-to-open-source-the-java-tech-it-s-now-suing-google-over.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=nsilmike">NSILMike</a> points out that Google <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20018596-265.html?tag=nl.e703" target="_blank">has now responded</a> to the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml">lawsuit</a> Oracle filed against it over Java-related patents that Oracle got when it took over Sun.  The response covers all the usual stuff that you find in every response to a patent lawsuit (i.e., "we didn't infringe on any of these patents, and even if we did, the patents are invalid").  However, it also includes some background on Java, and the fact that Sun had promised to open source the whole thing, but kept some of it back (the part that's now in question).  But what makes it a bit more complicated is that it has Oracle on record urging Sun to finish the job and more fully open source Java.  While I don't think that actually  matters from a <i>legal</i> perspective, you could see it potentially influencing the overall case.
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<pubDate>Tue, 7 Sep 2010 16:01:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Misguided Insult To Misguided Injury: HP Sues To Stop Mark Hurd From Taking New Job</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100907/14555610927.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ The most credible explanation I've seen so far as to why HP fired Mark Hurd last month, even after it determined that he had not actually engaged in sexual harassment, was that the Mark Hurd <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/business/14nocera.html" target="_blank">help lead the investigation</a> into the board over the infamous <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060906/022246.shtml">pretexting scandal</a>, and that the whole story about the supposed harassment and fudged expense reports were just an excuse to get rid of a CEO the board didn't like -- even as he was performing tremendously well.
<br /><br />
If that explanation is actually true, it also helps explain the news that <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/07/AR2010090700832.html" target="_blank">HP is now going to sue Hurd for accepting his new job as President at Oracle</a>.  As HP's lawyers absolutely must know, California has a law that the courts have interpreted quite broadly, that says <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071204/005038.shtml">noncompete agreements are not enforceable</a>, because you cannot deny a person the right to earn a living.  HP is (weakly) trying to get around this by claiming the job shift would violate "confidentiality agreements" and trade secrets, but there's almost no chance a court buys that.  The lawsuit seems like a non-starter.  In fact, the only reason for filing the lawsuit really seems to be an absolute pest.  It's an incredibly childish move by a company that should know better.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100907/14555610927.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100907/14555610927.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100907/14555610927.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 07:58:13 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Why The Oracle Java Patents Were Literally A Joke Played By Sun Engineers</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ There's a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20071021/141623.shtml">famous story</a> of how IBM sued Sun for patent infringement in the early days.  The patent claims from IBM were ridiculous, and Sun's engineers pointed that out to IBM's lawyers.  In response, the men in blue made the famous statement:
<blockquote><i>
"OK, maybe you don't infringe these seven patents. But we have 10,000 U.S. patents. Do you really want us to go back to Armonk [IBM headquarters in New York] and find seven patents you do infringe? Or do you want to make this easy and just pay us $20 million?"
</i></blockquote>
I had been thinking of that story after seeing the news that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml">Oracle was suing Google</a> over patents it received in buying Sun, and it seems that the joke of an IBM lawsuit may be indirectly responsible for this equally laughable lawsuit.  <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/08/17/0437242/Why-Software-Patents-Are-a-Joke-mdash-Literally?from=twitter" target="_blank">Slashdot</a> points us to a blog post by early Sun engineer James Gosling, where he admits that the experience with the IBM lawsuit resulted in <a href="http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/quite_the_firestorm" target="_blank">a game among Sun engineers to come up with the most ridiculous thing that could be patented</a>:
<blockquote><i>
In Sun's early history, we didn't think much of patents.  While there's a kernel of good sense in the reasoning for patents, the system itself has gotten goofy.  Sun didn't file many patents initially.  But then we got sued by IBM for violating the "RISC patent" - a patent that essentially said "if you make something simpler, it'll go faster".  Seemed like a blindingly obvious notion that shouldn't have been patentable, but we got sued, and lost.  The penalty was </i><i>huge</i>.  Nearly put us out of business.  We survived, but to help protect us from future suits we went on a patenting binge.  Even though we had a basic distaste for patents, the game is what it is, and patents are essential in modern corporations, if only as a defensive measure.  There was even an unofficial competition to see who could get the goofiest patent through the system.  <a href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;p=1&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&#038;r=44&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;co1=AND&#038;d=PTXT&#038;s1=%22gosling,+james%22.INNM.&#038;OS=IN/%22gosling,+james%22&#038;RS=IN/%22gosling,+james%22">My entry</a> wasn't nearly the goofiest.
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While that patent that Gosling names isn't included in this particular lawsuit, but <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oracle-uses-james-gosling-patent-to-attack-google-and-android-developers/2035" target="_blank">others have noticed</a> that <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=8xkPAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=RE38,104" target="_blank">one of the patents</a> (RE38104) is a Gosling patent.
<br /><br />
Of course, it's easy to point out that the folks named on the patents are claiming themselves that the patents were part of a joke to see how bad the patent office is.  But, you can take it to another level altogether, and have folks who actually know quite a bit about the technology <a href="http://blog.headius.com/2010/08/my-thoughts-on-oracle-v-google.html" target="_blank">go through the patents one by one</a> and explain why each of them is a total joke.
<br /><br />
This is yet another in an exceptionally long line of examples of what a complete mess our patent system has become.  I'm curious if the patent system supporters out there can come up with some sort of way to defend the patent system in this particular situation.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100817/00061910645.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 07:40:23 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Oracle's First Big Move With Sun? Use Sun's Patents To Sue Google</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Over the past few years, Sun has been one of the more outspoken companies against abusing the patent system, with former CEO Jonathan Schwartz explaining that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070515/165325.shtml">real companies innovate, not litigate</a>.  However, Sun and its patents are now owned by Oracle, and apparently Larry Ellison feels otherwise.  Oracle is now <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20013546-265.html?part=rss&#038;subj=news&#038;tag=2547-1_3-0-20" target="_blank">suing Google for patent infringement</a>, using a bunch of patents that Sun owns around Java, claiming that Google's Android implementation of Java is done without a license.  This is a bit surprising, really, as big Silicon Valley tech companies don't often get into patent battles with each other -- and, historically, when they do launch such patent attacks, it's usually a sign of something bigger being wrong with the company.  Anyway, if you're interested, the patents in question are <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=dyQGAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=6,125,447" target="_blank">6,125,447</a>, <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=G1YGAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=6,192,476" target="_blank">6,192,476</a>, <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=TzsPAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=5,966,702" target="_blank">5,966,702</a>, <a href="http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&#038;Sect2=HITOFF&#038;d=PALL&#038;p=1&#038;u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&#038;r=1&#038;f=G&#038;l=50&#038;s1=7,426,720.PN.&#038;OS=PN/7,426,720&#038;RS=PN/7,426,720" target="_blank">7,426,720</a>, <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=8xkPAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=RE38,104" target="_blank">RE38,104</a>, <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=U-4UAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=6,910,205" target="_blank">6,910,205</a> and <a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=mEwEAAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=6,061,520" target="_blank">6,061,520</a>.  And here's the filing:
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Interesting to see super lawyer David Boies on this one.  His career really has gone downhill, hasn't it?  From once leading the government's antitrust case against Microsoft to representing SCO's ridiculous lawsuits and now being involved in yet another silly patent fight?  
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Either way it will be interesting to see Google's response.  Unlike many big tech companies, Google hasn't warehoused patents at quite the same rate.  The company certainly does regularly apply for and get patents, but if you watch the numbers, they're much lower than other tech companies, and I can't recall Google <i>ever</i> making a patent claim against another company.  So it'll be interesting if Google responds with the standard response to a patent lawsuit between two big tech companies: which is to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100512/1224389396.shtml">countersue over other patents</a>, effectively launching the nuclear counterstrike.  My guess is that the more likely response is that Google will eventually just pay off Oracle to make this lawsuit go away.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100813/00004910613.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:48:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>The Evolution Of The Netbook/Cloud Computing, Again, Shows The Difference Between Invention And Innovation</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20091222/1028117469.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ Rik alerts us to a recent Wired Magazine article that <a href="http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/fail_oracle/all/1" target="_blank">goes through Larry Ellison's failed attempts</a> at building a cheap computer (the network computer -- or NC) that would mainly be used for internet access.  That history is pretty well known.  Ellison -- in large part inspired by jealousy of Bill Gates -- declared that the PC was dead, and in its place people would prefer to use a stripped down computer with everything on the internet instead.  It got a ton of buzz, and lots of people expressed interest.  But the product was a flop.  A massive flop.  And yet... here we are today, and more and more applications are online only, and the success of cheap netbooks have more than matched some of the original vision of the network computer.  As the article explains:
<blockquote><i>
We tend to think of technology as a steady march, a progression of increasingly better mousetraps that succeed based on their merits. But in the end, evolution may provide a better model for how technological battles are won. One mutation does not, by itself, define progress. Instead, it creates another potential path for development, sparking additional changes and improvements until one finally breaks through and establishes a new organism.
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That is the process of innovation.  And yet, we tend to only celebrate the invention -- the first idea -- rather than all the evolutionary process that it takes to make something successful.  Things like patents tend to <i>block</i> that evolutionary process by limiting the pace at which those mutations and developments can occur.  They slow down innovation, rather than letting it flow, by putting an arbitrary wall around each new step, rather than letting the evolution proceed uninhibited.  We may get the innovation eventually, but at a much slower pace than we might otherwise.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20091222/1028117469.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20091222/1028117469.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20091222/1028117469.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 01:33:06 PST</pubDate>
<title>Secretive Patent Holder Sues Lots Of Companies For Remote Activation Software</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=thehackman">Brian</a> points us to the news of <a href="http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/12/16/mongo_patent_infringement_suit/" target="_blank">yet another questionable patent lawsuit</a> filed by yet another shell company, yet again in Eastern Texas against a ton of software companies.  The patent in question (<a href="http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=yCZ8AAAAEBAJ&#038;dq=5,222,134" target="_blank">5,222,134</a>) is for a "secure system for activating personal computer software at remote locations," and was originally filed back in 1991 and granted in 1993 -- meaning that the patent is actually nearing end of life.  Odd, then, that it was suddenly noticed that all these companies were infringing.  The lawsuit is filed by a shell company called BetaNet, and no one seems willing to speak.  The lawyers representing BetaNet won't say who is behind the company, or how they even got the patent.  This is typical.  Many of these types of lawsuits are filed by shell companies to hide who is actually behind them.  As for the defendants, here's the list:
<blockquote><i>
Adobe, Apple, Arial Software, Autodesk, Carbonite, Corel, Kodak, IBM, Intuit, Microsoft, McAfee, Online Holdings, Oracle, Rockwell, Rosetta Stone, SAP, Siemens, and Sony.
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Obviously, none of those companies could have come up with ways to remotely activate software without this patent (yes, that's sarcasm).  As the Register notes in the link above, even some of the software products listed as violating this patent don't seem to involve activation at all, raising serious questions about how they could possibly violate this patent.  This sounds like yet another case of someone having read the book <i>Rembrandt's in the Attic</i> and deciding to go <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080224/162013330.shtml">trolling</a> for companies to sue with a meaningless patent.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091216/0819597385.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091216/0819597385.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091216/0819597385.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:39:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Red Hat And The Power Of Infinite Goods</title>
<dc:creator>Timothy Lee</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <p>The <i>New York Times</i> has a great write-up of <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/no-recession-at-red-hat/">the continued rapid growth of Red Hat.</a> Despite the looming recession, Red Hat is predicting 30 percent revenue growth in the coming year, to more than half a billion dollars. For a few years, Mike has been talking about how to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070503/012939.shtml">make money while giving away infinite goods</a>, and Red Hat could probably be the poster child for his argument. Despite the fact that virtually all of its "products" are available for free on the Internet, Red Hat is still convincing companies to pay it hundreds of millions of dollars. Of course, the reason this works is that Red Hat's product <i>isn't</i> its operating system or other software. Red Hat's product is access to the time and expertise of its employees, and to Red Hat's extensive ecosystem of developers, hardware vendors, and others who have built atop the Red Hat platform. Because Red Hat stands at the center of this tight-knit web of relationships, their employees are better-positioned than anyone else to quickly solve customer problems. And it turns out that companies are willing to pay hundreds of millions of dollars for that assistance.</p>

<p>The most interesting part of the article is where it talks about Oracle's effort to undercut Red Hat by offering the same software at a lower cost. Apparently, <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060417/1043229.shtml">as we predicted</a>, it hasn't been going too well. And it's not too hard to see why: Larry Ellison doesn't seem to understand Red Hat's business model. What Red Hat is selling isn't software, but support. And the value of a support contract is a function of the expertise of the company providing it. Not only does Red Hat have a number of key Red Hat developers on staff, but it also has a ton of strong working relationships with developers and vendors elsewhere in the Linux community. That means that if a customer encounters a bug in its Red Hat Enterprise Linux installation, Red Hat will either have an engineer on staff who can fix it, or it will have a strong relationship with the outside developer who developed that piece of software or the firm that manufactured the hardware. That makes it more likely that it will be able to address the issue quickly and incorporate the fix into the software for future releases.</p>

<p>Oracle has made comparatively little effort to either hire Linux developers or foster strong relationships with the broader free software community. As a result, Oracle isn't able to provide the same kind of value that Red Hat can. Yes, Oracle tech support can fix straightforward problems, but if they need to make changes to the code, they'll often need to go to a Red Hat engineer for help getting it fixed. And not surprisingly, most customers would rather cut out the middleman and go to Red Hat directly, even if it costs a little more.</p><br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080327/195124677.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080327/195124677.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080327/195124677.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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