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<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:00:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>DailyDirt: Sharing Our Microbes</title>
<dc:creator>Michael Ho</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ The human body harbors many more microbial cells than human cells. There are at least 10,000 different types of organisms on (and in) a healthy person, and finding out how our bodies interact with these microbes could help us understand how diseases are transmitted (or perhaps created). It's a huge task to study trillions of cells, so some microbiome projects are turning to crowdfunding and citizen scientists to help out. Here are just a few interesting links on the nascent field of mapping our microbial friends.

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<li> <a title="http://www.indiegogo.com/americangut" href="http://bit.ly/V46NUS">The American Gut project is looking to raise $400,000 to create an open source collection of data on the diversity of microbes in our digestive systems.</a> This project is also looking for donations of biological samples to analyze.... [<a href="http://www.indiegogo.com/americangut">url</a>]</li>

<li> <a title="http://ubiome.com/" href="http://bit.ly/ZB9DaU">uBiome is also collecting samples from volunteers to analyze and create a map of human microbe diversity.</a> The data will be HIPAA compliant, and no personal information will be released -- and you're already spreading your personal flora around everywhere you go anyway. [<a href="http://ubiome.com/">url</a>]</li>

<li> <a title="http://www.hmpdacc.org/" href="http://bit.ly/RSBVuq">The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has an on-going Human Microbiome Project that catalogs microbial communities that live on the human body.</a> So far, this <a href="http://commonfund.nih.gov/hmp/programhighlights.aspx">research</a> has gathered data on the microbes living on 200+ healthy volunteers. [<a href="http://www.hmpdacc.org/">url</a>]</li>


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<pubDate>Tue, 3 Jul 2012 16:45:57 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Charles Carreon Stops Digging, At Least For The Moment: Dismisses His Lawsuit [Updated]</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, we may have found at least a temporary answer to the question of "just how far will Charles Carreon dig?"  According to Mark Lemley, one of the lawyers representing IndieGoGo against Carreon, <a href="https://twitter.com/marklemley/statuses/220296050211168258" target="_blank">Charles Carreon has just dismissed his lawsuit</a>.    One hopes this means that he's finally realized that this entire process was a mistake.  A broad apology for massive overreaction after massive overreaction from Carreon (and his wife who apparently referred to us at Techdirt as a <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/funnyjunk-lawyers-wife-wades-into-fray-calls-critics-nazi-scumbags/" target="_blank">"nazi scumbag"</a>) might be nice, but if it's just a general admission that he had gone too far, that seems good enough.  Of course, given how far he went, and his repeated insistence on not giving up, I do wonder if this is really the end of all of this.  Somehow I doubt it.  This is a voluntary dismissal, which means he <i>could</i> refile.  But, for a brief moment, it appears that he's stopped digging.
<br /><br />
<b>Update</b>: Carreon is apparently <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/07/carreon-claims-victory-drops-his-lawsuit-against-the-oatmeal-et-al/" target="_blank">declaring victory</a>, claiming that the lawsuit gave him what he wanted.  Uh, yeah.  He sued to make sure that Matthew Inman and IndieGoGo did exactly what they said they were going to do... and then when they did exactly what they promised to do, he claims that's a victory?  At best, he did two things: had Inman limit the donations to just two charities rather than four, and made Inman take some of his own money out of the bank to photograph it (as promised) for Funnyjunk, rather than use the actual money raised during the IndieGoGo campaign.  If his goal there was to force that to prevent embarrassment I don't see how that's a victory.  Does anyone honestly believe that Carreon came out of this with a better reputation than if he'd just let the original plans happen?  Carreon could still face requests for legal fees from those he sued, though it wouldn't surprise me if they all just dropped it.  Carreon seems to think the newfound attention he's received is a good thing, which just shows how completely out of touch he is.  As Ars Technica notes:
<blockquote><i>
But if the defendants pursued attorney's fees, the attention might be worth it for Charles Carreon. After asking for comment on his voluntary dismissal of charges, Carreon lilted over the phone, "I'm famous, I'm notorious." Which, from the looks of it, is exactly what he wants.
</i></blockquote>
There are times that it's worthwhile to be notorious.  And there are times that it's not.  This is the second one.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/16300419572/charles-carreon-stops-digging-least-moment-dismisses-his-lawsuit.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/16300419572/charles-carreon-stops-digging-least-moment-dismisses-his-lawsuit.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120703/16300419572/charles-carreon-stops-digging-least-moment-dismisses-his-lawsuit.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 3 Jul 2012 03:03:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Charles Carreon Tries To Intimidate Parodist With Bizarre List Of Demands Plus DMCA Takedown Threat</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Another day, another story about Charles Carreon digging himself a deeper and deeper hole.  This time, it starts with him <a href="http://charles-carreon.com/2012/06/26/all-of-your-domains-are-belong-to-me/" target="_blankl">threatening to sue</a> both the person who set up the parody site <a href="http://charles-carreon.com/" target="_blank">charles-carreon.com</a> <em>and</em> Register.com, where the domain was registered.  Register.com failed to live up to its own "privacy" promises regarding registration info, and exposed the name and personal info of the person who registered the site after receiving a letter from Carreon, despite direct promises to the person's lawyer. After another phone call in which the lawyer, Paul Levy, warned Register.com that it faced breach of contract charges, it made the info private again.
<br /><br />
However, Carreon continued to threaten the blogger, leading to a rather bizarre exchange between Carreon and Levy, which relates to some history that Carreon has had with Levy's organization, Public Citizen, and a case we wrote about <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110325/01505913622/dangerous-internet-jurisdiction-ruling-lets-penguin-bring-suit-ny-despite-no-evidence-harm-ny.shtml">last year</a>, involving a website run by Carreon and his wife.  In the end, the owner of charles-carreon.com felt sufficiently threatened by Carreon's claims that s/he has <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2012/07/charles-carreon-digs-himself-even-deeperand-registercom-betrays-a-customer.html" target="_blank">decided to file for declaratory judgment to stop Carreon from suing</a>.  Part of the reason for seeking declaratory judgment was Carreon's <i>direct threat</i> to go after the blogger at a later date in various jurisdictions.  He also threatened <b>to use the DMCA takedown process</b> to try to censor the site, because it uses a photo he claims copyright over.  There's significant irony in the fact that Carreon is now threatening to abuse the DMCA process to stifle speech -- when what kicked this whole thing off was his DMCA-based defense of Funnyjunk and its failure to remove copyright-covered images.
<br /><br />
Carreon's threat-letter response to Levy is something to behold, and can be viewed towards the <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/Doe-v-Carreon-Complaint.pdf" target="_blank">bottom of the filing</a> (pdf and embedded below).  Here's a key part:
<blockquote><i>
As far as when and where I will sue your client, be certain that it will occur if your client does not cede the domain, and advise her of ten things:
<ol>
<li>There there is essentially no statute of limitations on this claim, and the prima facie laches defense would not kick in for at least three years.
</li><li>That venue in this action can be validly laid in at least three places, maybe four, if she doesn't live in Arizona, Florida, or California.
</li><li>That I am capable of employing counsel to handle my claim against her, who will incur attorneys fees and seek recovery of the same.  I filed pro se against Inman simply for sake of convenience and the need for speed, and not from a lack of resources.
</li><li>That the law in this area cannot be predicted with certainty, will evolve substantially over the next three years, during which I will be using digital forensics to establish actual trademark damages in addition to seeking the maximum cybersquatting penalty of $100,000.
</li><li>That a judgment that recites that the domain was obtained by fraud upon the registrar, in the form of a misrepresentation that she did not know of my trademark on the name, might well be non-dischargeable in bankruptcy.
</li><li>That a judgment can be renewed indefinitely until collected, and that California judgments accrue 10% interest, which can compound once ever ten years by capitalizing the accumulated interest.
</li><li>That you cannot guarantee that Public Citizen will provide her with free legal services on June 1, 2015, when I may very well send the process server 'round to her door.
</li><li>That I have the known capacity to litigate appeals for years (check my Westlaw profile, and of course, the drawn out history of Penguin v. American Buddha, now in its third year, having passed through the Second Circuit and the NYCA, and still hung up in personal jurisdiction in the SDNY).
</li><li>That the litigation, being of first impression in virtually every Circuit, grounded in a federal question, involving a registered trademark, and dispositive of many open issues in the field of Internet commerce and speech, might very well continue for a decade.
</li><li>That Public Citizen might well be unable and/or unwilling to provide her with representation until the resolution of such an extended course of litigation.
</li></ol>
</i></blockquote>
He goes on to chide Levy and Public Citizen for "leaping to the defense of someone who is in league with a person who has harnessed the lowest impulses of puerile, vituperative Internet youth to generate a Charitable Fund that has been used to bribe two major charities into tacitly endorsing a campaign that is utterly devoid of charitable purpose, and is a mere cover for a hate campaign."
<br /><br />
Uh, yeah.  At best, this demonstrates that Carreon still has no clue about what's happening.  He still thinks that there's some big campaign against him, and he's still lashing out without realizing that every time he does so he just draws more negative attention to himself.  Most people tend to learn that when doing something makes the situation worse, they shouldn't keep doing it. Carreon seems unable to make that basic connection.  The rather blatant threats against the blog owner -- to go after her in multiples jurisdictions and at a later date when Public Citizen might not be able to take her case -- are examples of the exact wrong way to handle something like this.  It's an old-fashioned lawyer attitude: take an extreme position that you can back down from later. But in this case, it just seems to display -- quite vividly for the judge -- Carreon's true intentions: to be such a nuisance that people stop mocking him.  One of these days, he may discover that each time he does that, he's only encouraging more and more ridicule.
<br /><br />
Oh, and in the meantime, as for his attempt at getting a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/03105019548/charles-carreon-keeps-digging-digging-inman-indiegogo-hit-back.shtml">temporary restraining order</a> to stop the money raised from being distributed, the judge has asked for proof that the charities have received the money -- as has been stated by IndieGoGo and Matthew Inman.  If that is shown to be true, it seems likely that the judge will find no reason to consider the TRO request any more, since it's meaningless.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/18282219557/charles-carreon-tries-to-intimidate-parodist-with-bizarre-list-demands-plus-dmca-takedown-threat.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/18282219557/charles-carreon-tries-to-intimidate-parodist-with-bizarre-list-demands-plus-dmca-takedown-threat.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/18282219557/charles-carreon-tries-to-intimidate-parodist-with-bizarre-list-demands-plus-dmca-takedown-threat.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 2 Jul 2012 07:14:04 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Charles Carreon Keeps Digging &amp; Digging: Inman And IndieGoGo Hit Back</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Well, they don't call it the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120616/00014119356/funniestmost-insightful-comments-week-techdirt.shtml">Carreon Effect</a> for nothing.  The lawyer who keeps on digging has decided to... keep on digging.  Last week he <a href="http://www.loweringthebar.net/2012/06/carreon-complaint-amended-still-odd.html" target="_blank">filed an amended complaint</a> pretty quickly after his original complaint -- specifically with the goal of adding California's Attorney General to the case.  Why?  Well, as we <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/11235319370/carreons-full-filing-reveals-he-donated-to-oatmeal-campaign-himself-plus-other-assorted-nuttiness.shtml">noted</a> in our original post about his lawsuit, Carreon himself donated to Inman's campaign, in what <i>appears</i> to be a ridiculously weak attempt to get "standing" to sue, but he may be realizing that said "standing" is unlikely to hold up in court -- so perhaps he thinks that dragging the AG into the case will actually make the case go somewhere.  Of course, it's also worth noting that Carreon finally realized that "incitement to cybervandalism" was a dead end, and dropped that charge.  Of course, as with nearly all things Carreon these days, the weakness of almost everything in the case likely dooms the entire thing (and may leave Carreon wishing he had just decided to do something else).
<br /><br />
That's because a few days later, Carreon <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/30/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-vii-charlie-the-censor-files-a-motion/" target="_blank">filed for a temporary restraining order</a> trying to get IndieGoGo not to give the money raised to Inman (in order to fulfill his plan of taking a photo with the money before giving it to the two charities in question), but rather demanding that IndieGoGo give the money directly to the charities.  Yes, his entire argument is basically that he wants to skip the part where Inman gets to take a photo with the money, which he seems to think would mock him (even though it was always designed to mock Funnyjunk, not Carreon).
<br /><br />
Thankfully, both IndieGoGo and Inman have hit back on the whole thing pretty hard.  IndieGoGo, I'm thrilled to learn, has brought on one of my favorite law firms, Durie Tangri, to represent him, and both Ragesh Tangri and Mark Lemley appear to be helping out.  When those two are involved, you know the response is going to be good, and this one <a href="http://ia600809.us.archive.org/8/items/gov.uscourts.cand.256114/gov.uscourts.cand.256114.22.0.pdf" target="_blank">does not disappoint</a> (pdf and embedded below).  Among other things, they point out that Carreon's request for a temporary restraining order is moot, because the money has already been distributed -- but also that <b><i>Carreon already knew this and waited to file the TRO</i></b>:
<blockquote><i>
Carreon did not file his papers until June 30...  By the time he filed them, he had been 
informed that the money already had been transferred....  At Inman&#8217;s request, 
his share of the money contributed to the BearLove campaign was sent by check to the American Cancer 
Society and the National Wildlife Fund, in equal amounts, on June 29....  As explained below, Carreon was aware at least as early as June 15 that the 
money was liable to be transferred at any time beginning June 26 and at all events no later than Monday 
July 2.  He nevertheless made no effort even to file for a TRO until the close of business on June 28.  
And, while he notes that the ECF system was down at that time, he offers no explanation for not having 
sought to file his TRO application well before June 26 &#8211; which he knew to be the earliest date the money 
could have been transferred &#8211; so that the Court could have adjudicated it before the time period during 
which the money was due to be transferred began.  Nor does he offer an explanation for having failed at 
least to bring the application to the Court&#8217;s attention by means other than ECF on Friday June 29.
<br /><br />
The simple reason for that is that there never was an emergency here, or any serious threat to 
anyone or anything.  Carreon&#8217;s application is gamesmanship.  When Carreon filed his original complaint 
on June 15, he knew that funds would be disbursed within five business days of the close of the 
fundraising campaign, which was set for June 25.  Indeed, on June 26, in conversation with Indiegogo&#8217;s 
counsel, he admitted that he was aware that the funds could be disbursed at any time between the time of 
that conversation and Monday July 2....  Yet Carreon waited nearly two weeks after 
filing his complaint to present the court with his TRO request at the eleventh hour.  Had there been any 
threat of real harm, Carreon would have made this application with more than hours to spare
</i></blockquote>
Furthermore, the filing rightfully points out that not only are Carreon's claims a huge miss, but the idea that there is any sort of "irreparable harm" (required for the TRO to be issued) to him is laughable.  Remember, Carreon donated a grand total of $10 here.  Paying that back would solve any "harm" if there were any.  That's not irreparable.  It's the very definition of reparable.  If there were harm.  Which there is not.  So of the "irreparable harm," Carreon fails to show that it is irreparable (because it is not) or that there is harm (because there is not).
<blockquote><i>
First, Carreon cannot demonstrate 
irreparable harm to anyone, and certainly not to himself.  A temporary restraining order is a drastic 
remedy, intended to prevent the grave and irreversible consequences of some imminent event.  Here, the 
only imminent event was the disbursement of just over $95,000 to the National Wildlife Fund and the 
American Cancer Society (not $200,000 as Carreon&#8217;s application mistakenly states), fulfilling Inman&#8217;s 
promise to donate the money to those organizations &#8211; the very outcome that Carreon claims to desire.  
Indiegogo will retain roughly $8,800 as a processing fee.  Carreon&#8217;s total contribution was $10.  Should 
it later be determined that any harm flowed from these events, that harm would be readily compensable 
with an award of monetary damages or restitution.   
<br /><br />
Second, Carreon has not demonstrated and cannot demonstrate a likelihood of success on the 
merits.  His claims against Indiegogo are barred by section 230(c)(1) of the Communications Decency 
Act (&#8220;CDA&#8221;), which protects from liability a provider of an interactive computer service that merely 
publishes information provided by another information content provider.  And his claims under the 
Supervision of Trustees and Fundraisers for Charitable Purposes Act, Cal. Government Code sections 
12580 et seq., are likewise barred because that statute does not create a private right of action that would 
afford Carreon standing to sue for its violation.
</i></blockquote>
There's also the fact that IndieGoGo never touches any of the money that is paid via PayPal, meaning it couldn't have stopped it from going to Inman in the first place.  The filing points out that this is clearly stated in IndieGoGo's terms of service -- something that Carreon claims to have read and which he cited in his own filing.  IndieGoGo also points out that Carreon makes a bunch of crazy statements in his TRO request, including the idea that Inman might get a huge tax writeoff from all of this.  As IndieGoGo's response points out, Carreon is "not remotely qualified" to make such an analysis, not the least of which because it's so obviously wrong to... well... anyone with even the slightest amount of common sense.  The only way that Inman would get the writeoff is if the money was counted as income to himself, and, as the IndieGoGo filing notes, the supposed "benefit" from the writeoff "would be offset by at least an equivalent increase in income, thus leaving Inman at break-even or worse."
<br /><br />
And then there's <a href="https://www.eff.org/sites/default/files/filenode/OatmealOppTRO.pdf" target="_blank">Inman's response</a> (pdf and embedded below), also <a href="https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/07/bears-still-good-cancer-still-bad-also-bad-trying-punish-critic-preventing-him" target="_blank">discussed by the EFF</a> who wrote it along with (occasional Techidrt contributor) Venkat Balasubramani.  It hits back equally hard (if not harder).  Any filing that starts out with the following sentence is a filing you <i>just know</i> is going to be good:
<blockquote><i>
Plaintiff Charles Carreon&#8217;s application for a temporary restraining order... is 
notable as much for its lack of context as its lack of merit.  
</i></blockquote>
The filing makes the basics clear: this is a "blatant -- and baseless -- attempt [by Carreon] to retaliate against a critic with whom he is 
engaged in a very public dispute."  It goes into lots of details, nearly all of which seem to demonstrate Carreon's grasp of the law here is weak at best (some might argue "non-existent" at times).  My favorite bit:
<blockquote><i>
Likewise, the First Amendment does not permit the law to hold, as Mr. Carreon claims, that 
the phrase &#8220;Fuck Off&#8221; &#8220;cannot be lawfully associated with tax-exempt charitable solicitation in the 
State of California.&#8221;
</i></blockquote>
Following that, the filing actually cites a previous court ruling on how "one man&#8217;s vulgarity is another&#8217;s lyric."
<br /><br />
The bigger point, is that Carreon seems to repeatedly just make stuff up.  He claims that Inman misrepresented that donating to the campaign would be tax deductible, even though he did no such thing -- and, in fact, IndieGoGo <a href="http://support.indiegogo.com/entries/20517411-how-to-check-if-your-contribution-is-tax-deductible" target="_blank">is pretty clear</a> about when projects are not tax deducible.  Yet, Carreon pretends that he expected "his" donation to be tax deductible.  Separately, as <a href="http://adamsteinbaugh.com/2012/06/30/carreon-seeks-temporary-restraining-order-in-carreon-v-inman-proposed-settlement/" target="_blank">Adam Steinbaugh points out</a>, Carreon makes this claim (that he expected his donation to be tax-deductible) in a highly questionable way -- especially since his "donation" came just hours before the lawsuit he filed -- and demonstrates pretty clearly that Carreon was already intending to file the lawsuit, and that the donation was just a weak attempt to get standing.  The EFF's filing points out how courts tend to look poorly on plaintiffs who do something solely for the purpose of trying to create standing to sue -- because it pretty clearly suggests they were not wronged or deceived, but willingly partook of a situation they fully understood in order to seek standing in a lawsuit.
<br /><br />
Basically, Carreon just seems to keep digging.  He's trying to drag California's Attorney General into the matter, because he's at least realizing that his own standing is pretty weak, but this TRO request seems to just reinforce the idea that this whole thing is about Charles Carreon being petty and petulant in trying to mess up Inman's attempt to make a statement about the money.  Carreon, once again, would be well-served to take some time off and think about what he's doing, rather than reacting by insisting he's going to show the world who's boss.  Each move he makes just makes him look even worse.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/03105019548/charles-carreon-keeps-digging-digging-inman-indiegogo-hit-back.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/03105019548/charles-carreon-keeps-digging-digging-inman-indiegogo-hit-back.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120702/03105019548/charles-carreon-keeps-digging-digging-inman-indiegogo-hit-back.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Epic Win/Fail: Bullied Bus Monitor Sparks Overwhelming Support, But Also Death Threats To Kids</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ A few years ago, I <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101113/22385711859/reddit-s-altruism-compared-to-4chan-s-trollism.shtml">noted</a> the seeming irony in the fact that there appeared to be a decent amount of overlap between groups of people doing amazing altruistic things on sites like Reddit, while also doing amazingly troll-tastic things in places like /b/.  Groups getting together to "do something" are a powerful force, and often are a powerful force for good.  But they can also get out of hand, and turn into questionable mob-like vigilante-ism.  However, it's not often that you see both such forces come together in <i>the same story</i>.  However, that appears to be the case with the amazing story concerning upstate NY school bus monitor, Karen Klein.  If you've been buried under a rock somewhere, Klein, a 68-year-old grandmother, has a low-paying job as a school bus monitor for a middle school in upstate NY (Greece, near Rochester).  Middle school kids can be incredibly cruel, and a group of kids spent a bus ride mercilessly mocking Klein and filming the interaction.  Someone else saw the video being passed around on Facebook and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l93wAqnPQwk&#038;feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">posted it to YouTube</a>, where it quickly racked up millions of views, with tons of downvotes.  The video is heart-wrenching for the cruelty from the boys in question.  Just horrifying:
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It also appears this was not a one-incident either.  There are at least <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oipwaZos58E&#038;feature=plcp" target="_blank">two</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBedTlo7BDs&#038;feature=plcp" target="_blank">other</a> such videos.
<br /><br />
However, in response to this, someone set up an <a href="http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home" target="_blank">IndieGoGo campaign to raise money for Karen to go on vacation</a>.  And, wow, did the internet ever come through in a massive outpouring of altruism, donating hundreds of thousands of dollars in a day.  As of this writing, it's already around half a million and there's still nearly a month to go.  That's going to be <i>quite</i> a vacation.
<br /><br />
Cue tons of great stories about how wonderful the internet can be.
<br /><br />
But... then there's the flipside of it.  The part where tons of people on the internet who find out about this story then <a href="http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20120621/NEWS01/306210049?nclick_check=1" target="_blank">barrage the school, the kids and anyone they think is related to this with nasty calls and emails</a> including death threats:
<blockquote><i>
The names of some of the alleged perpetrators &#8212; all juveniles who have yet to be charged with any crimes &#8212; and their parents and details about where they live ended up online. And since Wednesday, they&#8217;ve been barraged by death threats and harassing phone calls.
<br /><br />
Greece police Capt. Steve Chatterton said Thursday that someone even made a false 911 call claiming there were people being held hostage inside one of the students&#8217; homes. He said officers have been assigned to run special patrols down the youths&#8217; streets to ensure their safety.
<br /><br />
&#8220;We have a cellphone of one of the boys and he&#8217;s received more than 1,000 missed calls and more than 1,000 text messages threatening him,&#8221; he said. &#8220;Threats to overcome threats do no good.&#8221;
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Karen herself has come out to say:
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&#8220;This is going too far,&#8221; she said. &#8220;This is no better than the kids who did that on the bus.&#8221;
</i></blockquote>
Exactly.  If you're so upset by people acting  totally obnoxiously to someone, there are a lot better ways to express yourself than to call them with a death threat.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/00023519423/epic-winfail-bullied-bus-monitor-sparks-overwhelming-support-also-death-threats-to-kids.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/00023519423/epic-winfail-bullied-bus-monitor-sparks-overwhelming-support-also-death-threats-to-kids.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120622/00023519423/epic-winfail-bullied-bus-monitor-sparks-overwhelming-support-also-death-threats-to-kids.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2012 03:03:00 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Matthew Inman To Charles Carreon: Take Time Off, Stop Saying Crazy Sh*t To Journalists, Calm Down</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Now that the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/11235319370/carreons-full-filing-reveals-he-donated-to-oatmeal-campaign-himself-plus-other-assorted-nuttiness.shtml">details</a> have come out about Charles Carreon's lawsuit against Matthew Inman, IndieGoGo and the two charities Inman is raising money for (and the details are as nonsensical as we expected), Matthew Inman has <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/blog/carreon" target="_blank">written an open letter to Carreon</a>, suggesting that he might want to calm down a bit.  He points out that, contrary to Carreon's claims, he did not "incite security attacks" on Carreon.  In fact, Inman not only focused his anger at Funnyjunk, but also went further than necessary to keep Carreon mostly out of it:
<blockquote><i>
So when did this transform from Oatmeal VS FunnyJunk to Carreon VS the internet?  
		I'm going to take a wild shot in the dark here and guess that it's when you announced to a journalist at MSNBC that you were trying to <a href="http://digitallife.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/12/12187665-cartoonist-turns-lawsuit-threat-into-100k-charity-fundraiser">shut down a charity fundraiser</a> which would benefit cancer victims and endangered wildlife.
		THAT was the moment when the tide of public opinion focused on you instead of FunnyJunk. I never encouraged anyone to attack, harass, or otherwise contact you.
		In fact in my <a href="/blog/funnyjunk_letter">original letter</a> I blurred out your contact information and I linked to your Wikipedia page instead of your website.
		If I've directed energy anywhere it's been to the fundraiser page.
</i></blockquote>
He also tells people not to harass Carreon.  He goes on to point out, accurately, that this whole thing has probably been humiliating and points out that the lawsuit is quite likely going to get dismissed, but also offers Carreon a possible path to backing out of this mess:
<blockquote><i>
Your lawsuit is meritless and it'll probably just get dismissed, but
		I'm guessing you're just going to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/06/15/funnyjunk-lawyer-charles-carreon-isnt-afraid-of-the-oatmeal/">keep trying</a>
		until you find an angle that sticks with a judge.  
		<b>My advice: take a few weeks off, stop saying crazy shit to journalists, and come back when you've calmed down</b>. 
		Write an apology to whomever you feel is appropriate, or just don't write anything ever again.  
		<br /><br />
		Maybe start your own charity fundraiser as way of apology.  
		I'd donate. 
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Also known as "the stop digging" solution.  The same one half the internet has been suggesting for the past week.  The same suggestion that Carreon keeps ignoring -- leading at least some people to start calling the impulse to keep digging <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120616/00014119356/funniestmost-insightful-comments-week-techdirt.shtml">the Carreon Effect</a>.  That moniker will likely disappear if he does, in fact, stop digging.  But what are the odds of that happening?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/18250119374/matthew-inman-to-charles-carreon-take-time-off-stop-saying-crazy-sht-to-journalists-calm-down.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/18250119374/matthew-inman-to-charles-carreon-take-time-off-stop-saying-crazy-sht-to-journalists-calm-down.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/18250119374/matthew-inman-to-charles-carreon-take-time-off-stop-saying-crazy-sht-to-journalists-calm-down.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Charles Carreon Sues Matthew Inman... And The Charities He's Raising Money For</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ <em><strong>Update:</strong> The <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/11235319370/carreons-full-filing-reveals-he-donated-to-oatmeal-campaign-himself-plus-other-assorted-nuttiness.shtml">full details of Carreon's lawsuit are now public</a>, and they are just as nonsensical as you'd expect.</em>
<br /><br />
The situation with Charles Carreon just keeps on progressing.   The latest is that, according to a report from Courthouse News Service, Carreon has now not only sued Matthew Inman, but also IndieGoGo <b>and</b> the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society.  Read on for the details...
<br /><br />
If you've been away from the internet for the past week, this story started as an online dispute between Matthew Inman, creator of the webcomic The Oatmeal, and a site called Funnyjunk, which lets users post content to the site.  About a year ago, Inman wrote a blog post complaining about Funnyjunk's reposting of his webcomics.  As we've noted a few times, Inman's statements about Funnyjunk were overly aggressive -- and did mention "stealing" of his own work.  He seemed to ignore that it was users who uploaded the content.  However, while we disagree with Inman's original characterization of Funnyjunk and how it operates, it certainly did not reach the level of "defamation."  Also, we appreciate that Inman chose not to <i>sue</i>, but rather to make use of the court of public opinion.  In response, Funnyjunk lashed out, incorrectly stated that The Oatmeal wanted to sue him (when Inman very clearly stated he had no intention to sue) and also asked a bunch of Funnyjunk users to <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/blog/funnyjunk2" target="_blank">contact Inman</a>.
<br /><br />
Everything seemed to die down, until about a week ago, when lawyer Charles Carreon, representing Funnyjunk, sent a letter to Inman, threatening to <i>sue Inman</i> for the initial blog post, claiming that it was defamation and a Lanham Act (trademark) violation for false advertising.  Neither claim makes much sense, and Inman responded with both an <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/96850920/FunnyJunk-The-Oatmeal-Response" target="_blank">excellent letter</a> from (occasional Techdirt contributor) Venkat Balasubramani, and Inman's now famous <a href="http://theoatmeal.com/blog/funnyjunk_letter" target="_blank">annotated letter</a>, leading to an <a href="http://www.indiegogo.com/bearlovegood" target="_blank">IndieGoGo campaign</a> to raise $20,000 (the amount Carreon/Funnyjunk demanded from Inman) for two charities: The National Wildlife Federation & the American Cancer Society.
<br /><br />
Following that, Carreon told MSNBC he intended to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120613/01004319296/funnyjunk-lawyer-being-mocked-mercilessly-makes-things-worse-trying-to-shut-down-oatmeals-fundraiser.shtml">shut down</a> the fundraisers, and then bizarrely <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120614/09471419326/funnyjunks-lawyer-charles-carreon-continues-to-lash-out-accuses-matt-inman-instigating-security-attacks.shtml">accused Inman</a> of "instigating security attacks" against his website.  Finally, on Friday he told Forbes that he wasn't backing down and that there had to be <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120615/17334719354/funnyjunks-lawyer-charles-carreon-just-keeps-digging-promises-hell-find-some-law-to-go-after-oatmeals-matt-inman.shtml">"something"</a> in the California code that he could sue Inman over.
<br /><br />
Apparently he's found something.  As reported by both <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/17/the-oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-part-iv-charles-carreon-sues-everybody/" target="_blank">Ken at Popehat</a> and <a href="http://www.loweringthebar.net/2012/06/the-guy-continues-to-mess-with-the-oatmeal.html" target="_blank">Kevin at Lowering the Bar</a>, Courthouse News has a notice saying that Carreon has filed a lawsuit in the federal district of Northern California.  And, as mentioned above, he doesn't just sue Inman, but also IndieGoGo and the two charities.  Yes, the two charities.  I'll repeat that again: Charles Carreon appears to be suing two of the most well known charities because Matthew Inman asked people to donate to them.  Ken's summary -- based on what limited info is available via Courthouse News:
<blockquote><i>
1. The lawsuit is captioned Charles Carreon v. Matthew Inman; IndieGogo Inc.; National Wildlife Federation; American Cancer Society; and Does [Does are as-of-yet-unnamed defendants], Case No. 4:12 cv 3112 DMR.
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2. Charles Carreon appears as "attorney pro se," meaning "I am attorney but am representing only myself"....
<br /><br />
3. CNS included the following description of the case, which is most likely drafted by CNS upon review of the complaint: "Trademark infringement and incitement to cyber-vandalism. Defendants Inman and IndieGogo are commercial fundraisers that failed to file disclosures or annual reports. Inman launched a Bear Love campaign, which purports to raise money for defendant charitable organizations, but was really designed to revile plaintiff and his client, Funnyjunk.com, and to initiate a campaign of "trolling" and cybervandalism against them, which has caused people to hack Inman's computer and falsely impersonate him. The campaign included obscenities, an obscene comics and a false accusation that FunnyJunk "stole a bunch of my comics and hosted them." Inman runs the comedy website The Oatmeal."
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As Ken notes, the summary from CNS may be flawed.  In fact, it clearly is, because it says "Inman's computer" was hacked, and I'm sure the complaint means Carreon's.  So take it with a grain of salt until the actual filings appear on PACER or Carreon shares them with others.  However, there would appear to be a bunch of problems with the filing if the other parts are accurate.  Let's start with the big one: Carreon is filing for himself, representing himself.  According to the report above, it does not appear that he is doing this representing Funnyjunk.  That raises significant questions about what standing Carreon has alone, unless he's arguing that Carreon <i>is</i> Funnyjunk as well.  Either way, Carreon seems to rely on things said about Funnyjunk, but is still filing on his own behalf.  That's just weird.
<br /><br />
Blogger Nick Nafpliotis called Carreon on Friday and <a href="http://www.ramblingbeachcat.com/2012/06/not-backing-down-rambling-beach-cat.html" target="_blank">posted an interview with him</a>, which reveals a bit more behind Carreon's thinking on the legal front, and may explain why IndieGoGo and the charities are included in the lawsuit:
<blockquote><i>
Carreon replied that under California law, you must be properly registered to conduct a fundraiser, something he is certain that Mathew Inman (operator of The Oatmeal) and IndieGoGo (the crowdfunding site being used The Oatmeal) are not.
<br /><br />
"You might think of it as the 'Pseudo Santa' law," he explained. "Anybody can get a Santa suit. Then around Christmas time, you can probably make pretty good money wearing one outside of Macy's, ringing a bell, and saying you'll give the money to the Salvation Army. But you can't do that."
<br /><br />
Carreon went on to say that he had been in contact with the American Cancer Society and the National Wildlife Federation and confirmed that Indiegogo had not executed the proper fundraiser paperwork.  He explained that this missing documentation gives a sponsoring organization the power to shut down a campaign that may bring a charity itself into disrepute or injure its goodwill...or might be "using a charity as a human shield for a slander campaign inciting people to cyber vandalism," Carreon added.
</i></blockquote>
Even given all of that, I'm not sure why IndieGoGo, NWF or ACS were included.  Even if we assume that Carreon is correct that this is some sort of "illegal" fundraiser, it seems like IndieGoGo should be protected under Section 230 of the CDA.  Amusingly, since Carreon continually insists that Funnyjunk is protected under the DMCA's safe harbors, you would think he would be up on the 230 safe harbors as well.  Separately, again, even assuming that Carreon's analysis is correct, I'm not sure why that gives <i>him</i> standing to sue.  Others (the charities? the government?) would seem like more reasonable entities who could bring a case.  But Carreon?
<br /><br />
IndieGoGo has told others that Carreon did, indeed, request it take down Inman's fundraising effort, and it <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/06/lawyer-tries-and-fails-to-shut-down-the-oatmeals-charitable-fundraiser/" target="_blank">turned him down</a>, but (unlike the DMCA safe harbors), that's not that big of a deal.  There's no "takedown" requirement to retain immunity in Section 230.
<br /><br />
Separately, I can't see where there's a trademark claim.  Carreon has indicated that he has trademarked his name, but unless there's something in the filing that shows something completely different than what's currently been made public, I can't see how there's any trademark issue at all.  Inman's statements may have mocked Carreon, but that's not trademark infringement. You'd have to be using the name in commerce in a manner that caused a likelihood of confusion in that people would somehow believe that Carreon supported Inman's actions.  That is difficult to believe no matter how you look at this.
<br /><br />
We'll wait to see what's in the actual filing, but from what's already been said, this seems like a massive uphill battle, and one not made any better by the fact that he appears to be suing two famous charities in the process.
<br /><br />
Two other points: 
<ol>
<li>In that <a href="http://www.ramblingbeachcat.com/2012/06/not-backing-down-rambling-beach-cat.html" target="_blank">interview with Nafpliotis</a>, Carreon makes some odd justifications for why he thinks it's okay to blame Inman for various attacks on his site (and a fake Twitter account).  He basically says that because the comics that Inman draws are "dehumanizing," it's fair to assume that the attacks are because of that -- and (I'm not joking) compares it to Disney drawing cartoons that mocked Japanese people leading to Truman dropping the bomb on Japan:
<blockquote><i>
"It might not have seemed very dehumanizing when Walt Disney made Japanese people look silly with buck teeth and big glasses who could not pronounce their 'R's or their 'L's.  But it was dehumanizing, and the purpose was to direct evil intentions against them, which ultimately resulted in the only nuclear holocaust that ever occurred in the history of humanity.  I don't think Truman would have ever done that if we hadn't so dehumanized the enemy."
<br /><br />
"When you dehumanize someone, that is the first step to inciting people. The emails that I've gotten...many of them wish me death or wish for the complete collapse of my law practice...and they are virtually all uninformed."
</i></blockquote>
If people are sending Carreon nasty emails, that's a pretty stupid thing to do, but it's silly to blame Inman for it.
<br /><br />
Carreon also hints that Inman might be responsible for someone setting up a fake Twitter account in his name which had some "offensive statements."  His evidence that Inman was responsible?  At the same time that the fake account tweeted some stuff, Inman posted a <a href="https://twitter.com/Oatmeal/status/213350365314289665" target="_blank">tweet</a> mocking Carreon in somewhat offensive terms.  That tweet did not link to or reference the fake account, but according to Carreon: "I don't know if that's coincidence. Why was he on twitter at the same time the impersonator was? I don't know."
<br /><br />
We've suggested in the past that Carreon might want to learn a bit more about how the internet works.  And here's one reason why: many people who use Twitter <i>are pretty much always on Twitter</i>.  There's nothing surprising or odd about being on Twitter all the time.  Inman's tweet indicates that he uses TweetDeck, one of (if not) the most popular Twitter applications, which you leave running all the time and thus has you "on Twitter" basically all the time.<br /><br /></li>
<li>As most people know, you will find perhaps no person around who is more vehement in saying that copyright infringement is not theft.  I have argued that at length for years.  Copyright infringement is not theft.  It's not theft, it's not stealing.  It's just not.  That said, in no way do I think that someone who discovers that their work has been infringed and then refers to it as "theft" or "stealing" has "defamed" someone else.  That's just crazy.  It's an inaccurate portrayal, but one that is used colloquially all too frequently.  To rise to the level of defamation would be something else entirely.   Of course, it does not appear from the description that defamation is even a consideration here, since the lawsuit is from Carreon not Funnyjunk.</li></ol>

Lastly, Inman here has definitely won in the court of public opinion, and Carreon's legal efforts aren't doing him any favors in that battle -- by just not knowing when to stop digging (and almost creating a Godwin's law reference).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/00025519366/charles-carreon-sues-matthew-inman-charities-hes-raising-money.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/00025519366/charles-carreon-sues-matthew-inman-charities-hes-raising-money.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120618/00025519366/charles-carreon-sues-matthew-inman-charities-hes-raising-money.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Funnyjunk Lawyer Being Mocked Mercilessly, Makes Things Worse By Trying To Shut Down The Oatmeal's Fundraiser</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ As the famous saying goes, when you are in a hole, stop digging.  Someone might want to send that message to lawyer Charles Carreon, who has (legitimately) worked on some good cases in the past.  However, for reasons that are confusing even <a href="http://www.popehat.com/2012/06/12/hey-did-somebody-say-something-was-going-on-with-the-oatmeal/" target="_blank">his friends</a>, he seems to be trying to respond to a big mistake by hinting at an even bigger one.  As you have probably heard -- since it's all over the freaking internet -- there's a little fight going on between funny webcomic site The Oatmeal (and its creator Matthew Inman) and the not very funny aggregator of things that people claim are funny site, Funnyjunk.  You can read <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120611/20343419281/oatmeal-v-funnyjunk-how-court-public-opinion-beats-court-baseless-legal-threats.shtml">our take</a> on the mess, if you'd like.
<br /><br />
The summary version is that Inman got annoyed at people posting his comics on Funnyjunk and spoke out publicly about it (to be honest, his statements seemed to be an overreaction and include lots of silly statements about "stealing" that aren't particularly accurate).  However, he was clear that he had no interest in suing or using the law at all.  He just wanted to speak his mind and shame the site.  Funnyjunk overreacted back... and then waited a while before doubling (or perhaps tripling) down on its overreaction by hiring Carreon to send Inman a letter threatening a lawsuit on a bunch of claims, nearly all of which appear to be totally bogus (the defamation claim is the main one, which is simply ridiculous, but there's also an absolutely crazy trademark claim that seems to suggest that Inman's opinion of Funnyjunk is "false advertising"), as well as demanding $20,000.  Inman then responded in true internet fashion, by posting the letter with his thoughts interspersed <i>and</i> (most importantly) setting up a <a href="http://www.indiegogo.com/bearlovegood" target="_blank">fundraiser at IndieGogo</a> to try to raise $20,000, not to pay off Funnyjunk, but to donate to charity.  And it came included with a marginally NSFW drawing involving a mother (apparently "Funnyjunk's") and a bear.  You've probably seen it by now.
<br /><br />
Anyway, somewhere along the way the Streisand Effect took over, and the whole thing went viral.  Now, as we've learned in previous Streisand Effect situations, this is the point at which the person who overreacted begins to recognize how badly they screwed up and how they've made things a lot worse.  And then they apologize and grovel or something along those lines -- and we chalk up another hash mark on the big scoreboard on the internet showing how social pressure and the court of public opinion can keep excessive legal threats in check.
<br /><br />
But, of course, there are always some people who <i>can't stop digging</i>.  In fact, I would guess that the people who often find themselves on the wrong end of the Streisand Effect are probably slightly <i>more</i> prone to excessive-digging in response to said Effect, because the type of person who doesn't really know the Streisand Effect is about to hit them is likely the kind of person who doesn't realize that continuing to dig doesn't get one out of a hole.
<br /><br />
And, here, it appears that Carreon has failed to stop digging.  He <a href="http://digitallife.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/12/12187665-cartoonist-turns-lawsuit-threat-into-100k-charity-fundraiser" target="_blank">spoke to MSNBC and said a few things</a> so stupid that he might want to have someone who is more internet native act as a filter prior to talking to the press in the future about these sorts of things.  Here's the big one:
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He also explains that <b>he believes Inman's fundraiser to be a violation of the terms of service of IndieGoGo</b>, the website being used to collect donations, and <b>has sent a request to disable the fundraising campaign</b>. (The fundraising website has only responded with an automated message so far.)
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"I don't think that what I did was unreasonable," Carreon says while discussing the initial demands sent to Inman. He tells me that while this situation is unique, he is typically open to negotiation. He ended the conversation with a promise to keep me updated on how things are resolved and <b>on whether he takes any legal action against the folks who have been harassing him</b> since Inman's "BearLove Good Cancer Bad" fundraising campaign started.
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Yes.  A large portion of the internet hates you... and your response is to <i>threaten to shut down a massively successful fundraiser for the National Wildlife Federation and the American Cancer Society</i>?  Really?  Is that <i>really</i> the smartest response to the situation?
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Then there's this:
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"I'm completely unfamiliar really with this style of responding to a legal threat -- I've never really seen it before," Carreon explains.
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Indeed, I don't think anyone is quite familiar with the full extent of Inman's response, but for a lawyer who plays up his connections to various internet-related lawsuits, you would think Carreon would have, perhaps, spent some time on the internet.  And the internet, in general, is not a fan of bogus legal threats.  There's a pretty long history of that, and it shouldn't have been that hard to predict that this threat would backfire.
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Either way, as another day goes by, one hopes that Carreon's more level-headed friends will suggest that it may be time to ditch the shovel.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120613/01004319296/funnyjunk-lawyer-being-mocked-mercilessly-makes-things-worse-trying-to-shut-down-oatmeals-fundraiser.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120613/01004319296/funnyjunk-lawyer-being-mocked-mercilessly-makes-things-worse-trying-to-shut-down-oatmeals-fundraiser.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120613/01004319296/funnyjunk-lawyer-being-mocked-mercilessly-makes-things-worse-trying-to-shut-down-oatmeals-fundraiser.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<title>Kickstarter Helped Raise Nearly $100 Million In 2011... But There Are No New Business Models?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ For years, we've been hearing how the new business models we talk about aren't really "big enough" or that they're just "exceptions" to the rule.  Yet, every year we see more and more success stories involving those kinds of business models.  Kickstarter, for example, has been quite successful building a platform that empowers exactly the kinds of business models we've described for nearly a decade -- and it has found tremendous success doing so.  It just posted <a href="http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/2011-the-stats" target="_blank">some stats for 2011</a>, showing that just under $100 million was pledged into projects this year (with approximately $84 million going into projects that were actually funded).  
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Perhaps most interesting of all?  The two areas of the entertainment industry where we repeatedly hear the loudest cries of "there are no new business models!" -- movies and music -- were the two largest areas on Kickstarter.  An impressive <b>$32,473,790.40</b> was pledged for films and video -- leading to 3,284 successful projects, involving 308,541 backers.  For music, it was <b>$19,801,685.21</b> pledged for 3,653 successful projects, involving 260,178 backers.  The 2011 numbers roughly <i>tripled</i> the 2010 numbers, so this kind of thing is clearly growing quickly.  And, remember, Kickstarter is just one company in this space, which has multiple other companies -- such as IndieGogo and PledgeMusic -- offering similar platforms.
<br /><br />
And yet, we're told that there's no way to make money and that fans just want stuff for free?  Perhaps it's time to rethink some of those assumptions...
<br /><br />
But the really key thing here is exactly what we've said all along: new business models develop.  They always do.  And part of allowing those new business models to develop is letting new startups, services, platforms and tools develop to meet the needs of the market.  Kickstarter clearly meets a need.  Things like SOPA and PIPA make it <i>more difficult</i> to start such a company or build such a platform these days (which is why both Kickstarter and IndieGogo have come out strongly against these bills).  Let these new services live, and watch new business models succeed (and with them, all sorts of artists and creators).<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20120110/03263517361/kickstarter-helped-raise-nearly-100-million-2011-there-are-no-new-business-models.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20120110/03263517361/kickstarter-helped-raise-nearly-100-million-2011-there-are-no-new-business-models.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/blog/casestudies/articles/20120110/03263517361/kickstarter-helped-raise-nearly-100-million-2011-there-are-no-new-business-models.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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